MARS: "Bunny" & Reflective Sand
Ian Goddard
Some people propose that the object seen here
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/spotlight/opportunity/b19_20040304.html
photographed by the Mars Rover Opportunity and known as the "bunny"
may be evidence of Martian life. NASA's analysis posted at that page
concludes it was probably cloth torn from the Rover's landing airbags.
NASA critics also claim that Opportunity was directed to drive over
the bunny in order to destroy it. I shall refute alleged evidence
for that incredible claim made by Richard Hoagland and others:
http://www.weirdload.com/nasa-shame.html
http://www.rense.com/general48/NASAA.HTM
http://www.enterprisemission.com/images/LAxpo/10.jpg
The claim is supported by the appearance of a white area within
Opportunity's tire tracks and the inference: the bunny is whitish;
an area within the tracks is whitish; thus the area is the bunny
flattened. As the Weird Load page states: "All that remains of
the 'rabbit ears' is the white residue in the treadmarks."
See: http://www.weirdload.com/art/rovertracks.jpg
HOWEVER, the appearance of white areas in Rover-tire tracks is not
uncommon. Here are examples of similar white areas in tire tracks:
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/1/f/023/1F130226549ESF0386R2674R0M1.HTML
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/1/f/024/1F130315915EDN0400P1131R0M1.HTML
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/1/f/023/1F130227421EFF0400R0013R0M1.HTML
In my opinion the white areas are obviously where sand has been
flattened by the weight of the Rover and is reflecting sunlight. The
actually interesting issue afoot is contained in the question: why is
that happening? Gilbert Levin attributes this reflectivity to water
freezing after being pressed out of the sand by Rover weight:
"Other images show the rover tracks clearly are being
made in 'mud', with water being pressed out of that
material, Levin said. 'That water promptly freezes
and you can see reflecting ice. That's clearly ice.
It could be nothing else,' he said, 'and the source
is the water that came out of the mud.'"
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/opportunity_evidence_040229.html
Levin's hypothesis is interesting but I suspect it's wrong, otherwise
such abundant present water would have been easily detected and
reported by NASA. My own hypothesis is: the sand grains are cohesive
and glass-like and when compressed by a flat surface (such as the
relatively flat areas within Rover-wheel segments) into a flat shape
there is therein sufficient granular uniformity to produce specular
solar reflections when viewed from the appropriate angle. One can in
fact observe an angle-dependent gradation in the whiteness (and thus
reflectivity) of compressed sand in the three sample images above.
This hypothesis relies on no entities other than those present (the
sand) and the attribution of glass-like properties there to.
Ian Goddard's Journal: http://iangoddard.net/journal.htm
"When we have lived any time, and have been accustomed to
the uniformity of nature, we acquire a general habit, by
which we always transfer the known to the unknown, and
conceive the latter to resemble the former." David Hume
Rick Sobie
"Ian Goddard" <igod...@erols.mom> wrote in message
news:vffm40l65pu5e8u24...@4ax.com...
>
> Some people propose that the object seen here
>
> http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/spotlight/opportunity/b19_20040304.html
>
> photographed by the Mars Rover Opportunity and known as the "bunny"
> may be evidence of Martian life. NASA's analysis posted at that page
> concludes it was probably cloth torn from the Rover's landing airbags.
>
> NASA critics also claim that Opportunity was directed to drive over
> the bunny in order to destroy it. I shall refute alleged evidence
> for that incredible claim made by Richard Hoagland and others:
>
> http://www.weirdload.com/nasa-shame.html
> http://www.rense.com/general48/NASAA.HTM
> http://www.enterprisemission.com/images/LAxpo/10.jpg
>
I'm sorry but the remainder of this article appears to be more
of the same bs which has been given to the people for years.
And we are simply not buying it. You ran over a creature from
another planet deliberately as afront to the people, who you regard
as morons and sheep and dimwits who believe everything you spout.
Well as I said. We ain't buyin it.
Scroll down and observe the comparison images from the center of Tycho
crater.
Those from the Lunar and Planetary Institute and those of the NSC
and those of JPL.
http://www.members.shaw.ca/rsobie/TheTimelineofEvents.htm#TychoImages
So of course people no longer believe a thing that comes from that the NSC or JPL
when the evidence is so obvious that they are doctoring images,
and working on some unknown private agenda.
tim gueguen
"Rick Sobie" <rick...@spamnotshaw.ca> wrote in message
news:vuJ2c.708087$JQ1.237950@pd7tw1no...
>
> "Ian Goddard" <igod...@erols.mom> wrote in message
> news:vffm40l65pu5e8u24...@4ax.com...
> >
> > Some people propose that the object seen here
> >
> > http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/spotlight/opportunity/b19_20040304.html
> >
> > photographed by the Mars Rover Opportunity and known as the "bunny"
> > may be evidence of Martian life. NASA's analysis posted at that page
> > concludes it was probably cloth torn from the Rover's landing airbags.
> >
> > NASA critics also claim that Opportunity was directed to drive over
> > the bunny in order to destroy it. I shall refute alleged evidence
> > for that incredible claim made by Richard Hoagland and others:
> >
> > http://www.weirdload.com/nasa-shame.html
> > http://www.rense.com/general48/NASAA.HTM
> > http://www.enterprisemission.com/images/LAxpo/10.jpg
> >
>
>
> I'm sorry but the remainder of this article appears to be more
> of the same bs which has been given to the people for years.
>
> And we are simply not buying it. You ran over a creature from
> another planet deliberately as afront to the people,
There are several things one may accuse Ian Goddard of being. A NASA
employee is not one of them.
As for the idea that NASA would do deliberate harm to extraterrestrial life,
how silly. NASA would dearly love to find something running around on Mars,
as it would give them an incredible tool to extract funding out of the US
budget.
tim gueguen 101867
Dan
A meta-question for others: Is there a difference between a
kook, and one truly suffering from schizophrenia? Is it
possible to tell the difference from just their writings?
Greg Crinklaw
> A meta-question for others: Is there a difference between a
> kook, and one truly suffering from schizophrenia? Is it
> possible to tell the difference from just their writings?
Sometimes I think the real conspiracy is that Usenet was created as a
huge study ground by psychologists.
--
Greg Crinklaw
Astronomical Software Developer
Cloudcroft, New Mexico, USA (33N, 106W, 2700m)
SkyTools Software for the Observer:
http://www.skyhound.com/cs.html
Skyhound Observing Pages:
http://www.skyhound.com/sh/skyhound.html
To reply remove spleen
Rick Sobie
"tim gueguen" <tgue...@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:7yJ2c.735605$ts4.79826@pd7tw3no...
>
> "Rick Sobie" <rick...@spamnotshaw.ca> wrote in message
> news:vuJ2c.708087$JQ1.237950@pd7tw1no...
> >
> > "Ian Goddard" <igod...@erols.mom> wrote in message
> > news:vffm40l65pu5e8u24...@4ax.com...
> > >
> > > Some people propose that the object seen here
> > >
> > > http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/spotlight/opportunity/b19_20040304.html
> > >
> > > photographed by the Mars Rover Opportunity and known as the "bunny"
> > > may be evidence of Martian life. NASA's analysis posted at that page
> > > concludes it was probably cloth torn from the Rover's landing airbags.
> > >
> > > NASA critics also claim that Opportunity was directed to drive over
> > > the bunny in order to destroy it. I shall refute alleged evidence
> > > for that incredible claim made by Richard Hoagland and others:
> > >
> > > http://www.weirdload.com/nasa-shame.html
> > > http://www.rense.com/general48/NASAA.HTM
> > > http://www.enterprisemission.com/images/LAxpo/10.jpg
> > >
> >
> >
> > I'm sorry but the remainder of this article appears to be more
> > of the same bs which has been given to the people for years.
> >
> > And we are simply not buying it. You ran over a creature from
> > another planet deliberately as afront to the people,
>
> There are several things one may accuse Ian Goddard of being. A NASA
> employee is not one of them.
Simply put, either you are with us, or you are with the Destructagons.
>
> As for the idea that NASA would do deliberate harm to extraterrestrial life,
> how silly. NASA would dearly love to find something running around on Mars,
> as it would give them an incredible tool to extract funding out of the US
> budget.
>
> tim gueguen 101867
And where is the proof of your assertion?
Here?
http://www.members.shaw.ca/rsobie/TheTimelineofEvents.htm#TychoImages
Rick Sobie
do in playgrounds. You only expose yourself for what you are.
So I know you have heard this a thousand times, but "I know you are
but what am I"
"Dan" <ad...@host.org> wrote in message news:2BJ2c.133025$Xp.564459@attbi_s54...
Rick Sobie
to post to usenet. Crawl back into your skeptic tank
lowlife scum of the earth.
"Greg Crinklaw" <capellas...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:104mqhs...@corp.supernews.com...
Greg Crinklaw
Dan
Rick Sobie <rick...@spamnotshaw.ca> wrote:
>And you can attack me, all you want fool, call me names like children
>do in playgrounds. You only expose yourself for what you are.
>
>So I know you have heard this a thousand times, but "I know you are
>but what am I"
My question was actually serious, and not meant to be
name-calling. I have no idea whether you are schizophrenic
or not. But I know that it's a real disease, and it causes
a lot of suffering.
Rick Sobie
@corp.supernews.com:
> Oops forgot to PLONK you. Thanks for reminding me mate!
>
You mean about moving your monitor farther away from
your keyboard so you won't plonk your head when you post?
No problem.
Here's another tip for you...
When posting, first put your beer out of reach,
then you won't poke yourself in the eye with it.
(I vote we remove the prefix sci and replace it with alt
in the skeptic tank newsgroup.)
Rick Sobie
"Dan" <ad...@host.org> wrote in message news:7UK2c.79258$ko6.423219@attbi_s02...
> In article <eLK2c.709126$JQ1.630636@pd7tw1no>,
> Rick Sobie <rick...@spamnotshaw.ca> wrote:
> >And you can attack me, all you want fool, call me names like children
> >do in playgrounds. You only expose yourself for what you are.
> >
> >So I know you have heard this a thousand times, but "I know you are
> >but what am I"
>
> My question was actually serious, and not meant to be
> name-calling. I have no idea whether you are schizophrenic
> or not. But I know that it's a real disease, and it causes
> a lot of suffering.
>
So do you. In fact you are annoying me right now.
What makes you think sci.skeptic is a science newsgroup?
Are you wearing your pop bottle glasses right now?
Take a look at this. It will give you something scientific
to think about.
http://www.members.shaw.ca/rsobie/TheTimelineofEvents.htm#TychoImages
tim gueguen
> http://www.members.shaw.ca/rsobie/TheTimelineofEvents.htm#TychoImages
>
As your webpage easily indicates.
tim gueguen 101867
Tom Van Flandern
> [Goddard]: In my opinion the white areas are obviously where sand has
been flattened by the weight of the Rover and is reflecting sunlight.
The actually interesting issue afoot is contained in the question: why
is that happening? Gilbert Levin attributes this reflectivity to water
freezing after being pressed out of the sand by Rover weight ... Levin's
hypothesis is interesting but I suspect it's wrong, otherwise such
abundant present water would have been easily detected and reported by
NASA.
Yes, you would readily think that a pair of rovers intended
to detect evidence of past water would certainly be able to detect water
right under the rover wheels. But apparently, that is not so.
I attended the NASA HQ press briefing on Tuesday, March 2,
where the big "Mars had water" announcement was officially made.
Afterwards, I posed some questions of my own to the panel. Relevant
here, I asked rover science team geologist John Grotzinger that very
question: "Can any of the rovers' instruments detect water or ice
present now in the rocks or soil?" To my astonishment, he answered with
an unqualified "no". -|Tom|-
Tom Van Flandern - Washington, DC - see our web site on replacement
astronomy research at http://metaresearch.org
Rick Sobie
"tim gueguen" <tgue...@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:fCM2c.709959$JQ1.579753@pd7tw1no...
>
> >
> > Simply put, either you are with us, or you are with the Destructagons.
> >
> In other words you're a delusional paranoid
AHAHA! As I suspected! You are one of THEM!!!!!
Getting back to reality...
I really must compliment the ESA on their brilliant work.
The way they have airbrushed over the glass tunnels,
well, you can hardly see them at all. Such workmanship!
And it blends in so well with the background as well.
No danger of those Yanks losing it and throwing their
babies out the window over this eh wot? !
http://www.esa.int/export/externals/images/ob_22_reull_p.jpg
Oh, but there was this little thing here.
In the center of this area where the tunnel seems to meet
some sort of complex. Lovely color, but what is that
in the very center which looks like a square block with
holes in it?
http://www.members.shaw.ca/rsobie/marsmatrixcenter.jpg
Greg Crinklaw
> I attended the NASA HQ press briefing on Tuesday, March 2,
> where the big "Mars had water" announcement was officially made.
> Afterwards, I posed some questions of my own to the panel. Relevant
> here, I asked rover science team geologist John Grotzinger that very
> question: "Can any of the rovers' instruments detect water or ice
> present now in the rocks or soil?" To my astonishment, he answered with
> an unqualified "no". -|Tom|-
I heard your one question and the response. It was my impression that
your question was answered in the context of a previous response, which
was that water could only exist too far below the surface to be detected
by the Rover instruments.
Rick Sobie
"Tom Van Flandern" <to...@starpower.net> wrote in message
news:404b9a8d$0$3077$61fe...@news.rcn.com...
It is a very uncomfortable position to be in.
Can you imagine, how the ESA is laughing right now?
And I must admit, that I also have done my fair share of chuckling
over their predicament.
But at some point, just as Clinton did with the stained dress, they too
have to face the music. continuing the big lie, only prevents any progress
at all from going further.
Yes. There is intelligent life on Mars. Yes they are friendly.
So what is the big deal about anyway? How much longer does
JPL and whoever is behind this silliness expect they can continue
to hide their lies?
Examine the high res tif file of this region...
http://sci.esa.int/science-e/www/object/index.cfm?fobjectid=34526
And you will see that it is an _obvious attempt to hide evidence
of life on Mars.
They were trying to be blatantly obvious. So people would know.
For instance how does one obtain such a clear image of Sojourner,
as seen here http://sci.esa.int/science-e/www/object/index.cfm?fobjectid=31029
and yet not be able to obtain a good closeup of this here in Reull Vallis?
http://www.members.shaw.ca/rsobie/marsmatrixcenter.jpg
And those poor Brits. How they set their hopes on Beagle. Only to
be so sadly disappointed. Well, it reminds me of a British comic
I listened to the other day, a transvestite, can't remember his name
not Dame Edna, at any rate, he was discussing the career councillors
at his school, and when they asked him what he wanted to be,
he said proudly "A shoe salesman!" Whereupon the councillor said,
"You're British, set your sights a little lower"
Yet they were right there. With the right stuff, but they just couldn't make it work.
Is it totally off-line now? Any chance of resurrecting it?
Or has it been operational all along and they just don't want to upset the Yanks?
Bunn E Rabbit
igod...@erols.mom (Ian Goddard), Wrote:
>Some people propose that the object seen here
Uh oh!
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/spotlight/opportunity/b19_20040304.html
>photographed by the Mars Rover Opportunity
>and known as the "bunny" may be evidence of
>Martian life.
Actually the "bunny" is a bunny of Earthly origin.
>NASA's analysis posted at that page concludes
>it was probably cloth torn from the Rover's
>landing airbags.
Incorrect. While you dopey Primates were arguing politics and fighting
Islamic kooks we Lagomorphs have quietly passed Homo Sapiens on the
evolutionary scale. The "bunny" is our Martian probe called the 'Peter
Cottontail II' which is superior the the 'Rover" 'cause of its hopping
capabilities. Plus the 4 Rabbit astronauts as occupants.
>NASA critics also claim that Opportunity was
>directed to drive over the bunny in order to
>destroy it.
You put cell phone using soccer Moms driving SUV's on Mars?
>I shall refute alleged evidence for that incredible
>claim made by Richard Hoagland and others:
http://www.weirdload.com/nasa-shame.html
http://www.rense.com/general48/NASAA.HTM
http://www.enterprisemission.com/images/LAxpo/10.jpg
You miserable Primates!
>The claim is supported by the appearance of a
>white area within Opportunity's tire tracks and
>the inference: the bunny is whitish; an area
>within the tracks is whitish; thus the area is the
>bunny flattened.
OMFG! It isn't enough to torture, maim and kill us poor Animals on
Earth but now on other planets too!
>As the Weird Load page states: "All that
>remains of the 'rabbit ears' is the white residue
>in the treadmarks."
Still the same 'ole violent species. Always standing erect. Not
surprising.
>See:
>http://www.weirdload.com/art/rovertracks.jpg
<sniffle, tears>
>HOWEVER, the appearance of white areas in
>Rover-tire tracks is not uncommon. Here are
>examples of similar white areas in tire tracks:
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/1/f/023/1F130226549ESF0386R2674R0M1.HTML
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/1/f/024/1F130315915EDN0400P1131R0M1.HTML
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/1/f/023/1F130227421EFF0400R0013R0M1.HTML
>In my opinion the white areas are obviously
>where sand has been flattened by the weight of
>the Rover and is reflecting sunlight. The
>actually interesting issue afoot is contained in
>the question: why is that happening? Gilbert
>Levin attributes this reflectivity to water freezing
>after being pressed out of the sand by Rover
>weight:
The Animal armed forces are almost ready to attack. Plus we have spies
including Major Shepard, Rear Admiral Dolphin and Lieutenant General
Eagle.
>"Other images show the rover tracks clearly are
>being made in 'mud', with water being pressed
>out of that material, Levin said. 'That water
>promptly freezes and you can see reflecting
>ice. That's clearly ice. It could be nothing else,'
>he said, 'and the source is the water that came
>out of the mud.'"
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/opportunity_evidence_040229.html
<rest of Primate propaganda snipped>
--
Bunn E. Rabbit, Dir. Animal/Human Affairs
>David Hume
_____
"Cosmic upheaval is not so moving as a little child pondering the death
of a sparrow in the corner of a barn." -Anouk Aimee, French Actor
_____
"Death is better, a milder fate than tyranny", Aeschylus (525BC-456BC),
Agamemnon
_____
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Carl R. Osterwald
<rso...@nospam.net> wrote:
> Greg Crinklaw <capellas...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:104mua49qs9a1e4
> @corp.supernews.com:
>
> > Oops forgot to PLONK you. Thanks for reminding me mate!
> >
>
> You mean about moving your monitor farther away from
> your keyboard so you won't plonk your head when you post?
>
> No problem.
Rick Sobie again demonstrates his cluelessness.
> Here's another tip for you...
>
> When posting, first put your beer out of reach,
> then you won't poke yourself in the eye with it.
>
> (I vote we remove the prefix sci and replace it with alt
> in the skeptic tank newsgroup.)
Request DENIED.
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Official AFA-B Bully, Pest, and Gummint Disinformation Agent
Matthew Montchalin
|Oops forgot to PLONK you. Thanks for reminding me mate!
Never tell people they are plonked; it motivates them to morph.
Ian Goddard
This article covers the surface-water, or brine, hypothesis:
http://www.space.com/missionlaunches/rover_update_040219.html
stating: "In a press conference today, officials said the soil at
both locations could contain small amounts of water mixed with salt
in a brine that can exist in liquid form at very low temperatures."
It seems that Opportunity dug the hole to test the brine hypothesis.
An advantage it has over the glass-like-sand hypothesis I suggest is
its ability to explain the cohesive nature of the sand (see some good
images at the cited page). Why glass-like grains should also be
cohesive is something I could not explain; moreover, one might assume
the two characteristics (glass-like and cohesive) are contrary. And
if the glass-like grains had a rough shattered texture that allows
cohesive characteristics like that seen in Lunar regolith
http://history.nasa.gov/SP-4219/4219-209.jpg
that same rough texture would presumably scatter light, resulting
in diffuse rather than the specular reflectivity observed. For that
reason the brine hypothesis may have both greater explanatory scope
and lack the possible contradiction of cohesive glass-like granules.
R.Schenck
its an image of a crater or something. beneath it and realted to it
are:
"And from this image of the same area, from a different source, you
can see what appears to be, a platform, with material sitting on
it.....look at the left image, and in the center of the crater, you
will see where the hull of the moon was damaged by a projectile and
emergency foam as seen in the hi res photo above, was deployed to
prevent decompression."
on what the moon actually is
"..most likely is a battle star, left by Rama to protect the planet,
as is probably done with most life bearing planets in a somewhat
hostile universe. The fact that it is there, is enough to ward off
most would be attackers, as the capability of these space craft is
ominous in the extreme. However, it may not have been brought here by
Rama, because the oldest record of the moon in rock art, goes back
only 5,000 years. "
and furthermore:
"Did someone not authorized, interfere with the development of this
planet In the past, against Federation rules, which has led mankind
to be incapable mentally spiritually and technically of managing the
ecology and environment and technical prowess of this planet....Could
that person have been Enki...[picture of a cylinder seal] This 5
thousand year old cylinder seal, from Mesopotamia, depicting Abraham
Isaac and Jacob with the solar system in the background, leads me to
believe it was"
about that federation:
"Is there such an organization as The United Federation of Planets and
did we of this timeline go forth and create it in our future after we
discovered the battle star? And then boldly go where no man has gone
before only to be photographed by the SOHO spacecraft during its
observations of the sun. "
and where do you get this information from, well the next header
explains it all
"Dreams Remote Viewing and Astral travel investigations"
also, if the skeptic newsgroup is not a science group, then why are
you posting to it?? why are you posting to any science groups, since
you have no scientific evidence for your 'information'??
Rick Sobie
"Matthew Montchalin" <mmon...@OregonVOS.net> wrote in message
news:Pine.LNX.4.44.040307...@lab.oregonvos.net...
> On Sun, 7 Mar 2004, Greg Crinklaw wrote:
> |Oops forgot to PLONK you. Thanks for reminding me mate!
>
> Never tell people they are plonked; it motivates them to morph.
>
Boy you guys have got this whole thing down to a science
haven't you.
Older guys, help the younger guys.
Rick Sobie
"R.Schenck" <nygdan_mo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:8fcb1069.04030...@posting.google.com...
> also, if the skeptic newsgroup is not a science group, then why are
> you posting to it?? why are you posting to any science groups, since
> you have no scientific evidence for your 'information'??
Skenk is it? Well it is customary Skenk, when someone crossposts to
a retard group like skeptic tank, to humor them and not
change the crossposting. In this way, as you go forth to make
their friends look like the retards they are, they might hesitate
in future, to embarass themselves and their friends in such
a meaningless way as they try and attempt to change the subject.
So as I was saying, regarding the Bunny that was squished by
Nasa, and the persons' attempt to deny this allegation,
the fact that the person felt it necessary to call on you
people to make his case, shows the world that he in fact
never had a case at all.
http://www.weirdload.com/nasa-shame.html
http://www.rense.com/general48/NASAA.HTM
http://www.enterprisemission.com/images/LAxpo/10.jpg
But let us not continue this silly argment when it is too late
to save the poor creature now. Instead lets share in
the joy of discovery and true scientific achievment of
The European Space Agency, for their tremendous work,
and their tremendous achievements accomplishing
in just a few short years, what JPL Nasa could not do
in 30.
Hazaah!
Check it out.
http://sci.esa.int/science-e/www/object/index.cfm?fobjectid=34526
Carl R. Osterwald
<rick...@spamnotshaw.ca> wrote:
Translation: Rick doesn't understand what 'plonk' means.
Icarus
> Some people propose that the object seen here
>
>
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/spotlight/opportunity/b19_20040304.html
>
> photographed by the Mars Rover Opportunity and known as the
> "bunny" may be evidence of Martian life. NASA's analysis
> posted at that page concludes it was probably cloth torn from
> the Rover's landing airbags.
>
> NASA critics also claim that Opportunity was directed to drive
> over the bunny in order to destroy it. I shall refute alleged
> evidence for that incredible claim made by Richard Hoagland
> and others...
Easily refuted by pointing out that the object had already gone
before the Rover left the lander:
http://www.envf.port.ac.uk/jr/object.html
Ian Goddard
Excellent photo analysis! Hoagland claims that the bunny was edited
out of that second image. The specific claim I addressed in my post
was the allegation that the bunny was run over and the remnants of it
could be seen in the tire tracks. Anyone who took that seriously might
consider it to be evidence that bunny was not only destroyed, but was
edited out of the image you cite. I'll reinclude my counter-analysis
below since it was chopped out when this broken thread was started:
[...]
NASA critics also claim that Opportunity was directed to drive over
the bunny in order to destroy it. I shall refute alleged evidence
for that incredible claim made by Richard Hoagland and others:
http://www.weirdload.com/nasa-shame.html
http://www.rense.com/general48/NASAA.HTM
http://www.enterprisemission.com/images/LAxpo/10.jpg
The claim is supported by the appearance of a white area within
Opportunity's tire tracks and the inference: the bunny is whitish;
an area within the tracks is whitish; thus the area is the bunny
flattened. As the Weird Load page states: "All that remains of
the 'rabbit ears' is the white residue in the treadmarks."
See: http://www.weirdload.com/art/rovertracks.jpg
HOWEVER, the appearance of white areas in Rover-tire tracks is not
uncommon. Here are examples of similar white areas in tire tracks:
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/1/f/023/1F130226549ESF0386R2674R0M1.HTML
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/1/f/024/1F130315915EDN0400P1131R0M1.HTML
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/1/f/023/1F130227421EFF0400R0013R0M1.HTML
In my opinion the white areas are obviously where sand has been
flattened by the weight of the Rover and is reflecting sunlight.
[...]
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=vffm40l65pu5e8u24uisuujdvlc50q6ivb%404ax.com
Packrat®
"Bunn E Rabbit" <BunnE...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:16975-40...@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net...
igod...@erols.mom (Ian Goddard), Wrote:
Uh oh!
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/spotlight/opportunity/b19_20040304.html
You miserable Primates!
>See:
>http://www.weirdload.com/art/rovertracks.jpg
<sniffle, tears>
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/opportunity_evidence_040229.html
Good work Rabbit. I'll have the rest of the rodent community loaded on
our shuttle ASAP! (The Groundhog wants to know if he can leave PA.)
- General Packrat
R.Schenck
> "R.Schenck" <nygdan_mo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:8fcb1069.04030...@posting.google.com...
> > also, if the skeptic newsgroup is not a science group, then why are
> > you posting to it?? why are you posting to any science groups, since
> > you have no scientific evidence for your 'information'??
>
> Skenk is it? Well it is customary Skenk,
we like to pronounce it skank ova heaah.
> when someone crossposts to
> a retard group like skeptic tank, to humor them and not
> change the crossposting. In this way, as you go forth to make
> their friends look like the retards they are, they might hesitate
> in future, to embarass themselves and their friends in such
> a meaningless way as they try and attempt to change the subject.
>
> So as I was saying, regarding the Bunny that was squished by
> Nasa, and the persons' attempt to deny this allegation,
> the fact that the person felt it necessary to call on you
> people to make his case, shows the world that he in fact
> never had a case at all.
>
> http://www.weirdload.com/nasa-shame.html
> http://www.rense.com/general48/NASAA.HTM
> http://www.enterprisemission.com/images/LAxpo/10.jpg
>
> But let us not continue this silly argment when it is too late
> to save the poor creature now. Instead lets share in
> the joy of discovery and true scientific achievment of
> The European Space Agency, for their tremendous work,
> and their tremendous achievements accomplishing
> in just a few short years, what JPL Nasa could not do
> in 30.
>
> Hazaah!
>
> Check it out.
> http://sci.esa.int/science-e/www/object/index.cfm?fobjectid=34526
yes, i saw it, pretty pictures. interesting that i don't see the same
flurry of posts and discussions about their pretty pictures.
Rick Sobie
"Icarus" <icar...@email.com> wrote in message news:c2hqll$1ruqoo$1...@ID-165613.news.uni-berlin.de...
No one is buying your frickin fairy tales.
The landers are in Antartica.
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/1/p/036/1P131389477EFF0510P2391L2M1.JPG
Images of the moon have appeared in the night sky in some of the photos.
You people are the worst frauds I have ever seen.
There are about 8 more little faux pas that you made as well that clearly
show, the landers are not on Mars, but are in fact, in Antarctica.
The Ice Cream Bandit
> The landers are in Antartica.
Your brain is in Luluville.
The Bad Astronomer
> Easily refuted by pointing out that the object had already gone
> before the Rover left the lander:
>
> http://www.envf.port.ac.uk/jr/object.html
Hey, that's great! I just wrote a series of pages debunking Hoagland's
claims, and I talk about the "bunny". May I link to this page from
mine? Maybe I should ask first: is that your site?
Thanks,
Phil
Bigdakine
>From: "Rick Sobie" rick...@spamnotshaw.ca
>Date: 3/7/04 8:04 AM Hawaiian Standard Time
>Message-id: <vuJ2c.708087$JQ1.237950@pd7tw1no>
>
>
>"Ian Goddard" <igod...@erols.mom> wrote in message
>news:vffm40l65pu5e8u24...@4ax.com...
>>
>>
>> http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/spotlight/opportunity/b19_20040304.html
>>
>> photographed by the Mars Rover Opportunity and known as the "bunny"
>> may be evidence of Martian life. NASA's analysis posted at that page
>> concludes it was probably cloth torn from the Rover's landing airbags.
>>
>> NASA critics also claim that Opportunity was directed to drive over
>> the bunny in order to destroy it. I shall refute alleged evidence
>>
>> http://www.weirdload.com/nasa-shame.html
>> http://www.rense.com/general48/NASAA.HTM
>> http://www.enterprisemission.com/images/LAxpo/10.jpg
>>
>
>
>of the same bs which has been given to the people for years.
>
>And we are simply not buying it. You ran over a creature from
>as morons and sheep and dimwits who believe everything you spout.
>
Cue in Elmer J. Fudd...
"I've killed a poor bunny"
Stuart
Dr. Stuart A. Weinstein
Ewa Beach Institute of Tectonics
"To err is human, but to really foul things up
requires a creationist"
Dan
One thing I wonder, if you'll forgive my Rumsfeld-speak, is
how do you know that what you know is all that there is to
know? That is, how do you know that NASA didn't purposely
post images from Antartica on their web site, knowing full
well you would spot them, so that you would /think/ that
they didn't go to Mars. All the while, they /really/ did go
to Mars, but are not posting those pictures.
I mean, you seem to think that the ESA is pretty competent.
How do you know that NASA is not just a front for the ESA?
Couldn't they just be playing with your head?
Greg Crinklaw
> I mean, you seem to think that the ESA is pretty competent.
> How do you know that NASA is not just a front for the ESA?
> Couldn't they just be playing with your head?
Come now, you can't expect someone who is clearly off his meds to be
rational, can you? Just plonk him.
Dan
Greg Crinklaw <capellas...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Dan wrote:
>> I mean, you seem to think that the ESA is pretty competent.
>> How do you know that NASA is not just a front for the ESA?
>> Couldn't they just be playing with your head?
>
>Come now, you can't expect someone who is clearly off his meds to be
>rational, can you? Just plonk him.
Sorry, I'm sure I will tire of him soon. But for now I'm
still curious about how his thinking works. I just don't
understand how people can be so "misguided". Unfortunately,
he probably won't take my question seriously.
Icarus
It is, and you can, for what it's worth :-)
darktalon
> No one is buying your frickin fairy tales.
> The landers are in Antartica.
But you were talking about how the landers had squashed a Martian rock
flyer[1] and attacked a Jabba the Hutt creature. I only remember
because it made me laugh out loud. Also made me want some of whatever
the hell you'd had.
[1] Begging the question: why didn't it fly away?