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sean
Does anyone known anything about this Illinois based outfit? Are the
claims they make true? they state that their Doctorates allow you to
call yourself 'Dr' just as validly as if you had done a Ph.D from the
university of Illinois!! Is this true?
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Dennis Ruhl
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> *unless you are in academic circles, to the man in the street a 'Dr'
> is a 'Dr' who gives a sh*t where it comes from!!! *
I thought pretty much everyone.
And to think, I've been calling all the doctors, of assorted varieties,
that I know by their first name and they seem to like it that way.
Mind you, they all have real doctorates and nothing to prove.
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Dennis Ruhl
The courts have enforced that no laws shall be made concerning the
establishment of religion and have included the education of clergy in
the prohibition. It is not up to congress or the states to judge the
content of religious education programs.
Legal -yes.
That said, any degree for which you do little or no work would have
zero respect. Using an unearned degree has a downside in that you
could never run for public office, testify in court, or hold a job of
public interest without it coming up. I can't say that legality of the
degree would help you, it never does.
Whether one bullpoo degree is better than another is of little interest
to me.
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sean
I wont be using it for professional reasons, wont be running for office
and hopefully wont have to come to the states to testify in court!!!!
As long as i can call myself 'DR' I don't mind...after all, when you
book a table in restaurant as 'Dr' whatever, or try to get a flight
upgrade as 'Dr' whatever..they dont say 'let me see your thesis'..they
say 'certainly Sir'...
I think there is some resentment from some academics that the man in
the street can get a title that they spent thousands of dollars on...
for just a few hundred bucks...unless you are in academic circles, to
the man in the street a 'Dr' is a 'Dr' who gives a sh*t where it comes
from!!!
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> Does anyone known anything about this Illinois based outfit? Are the
> claims they make true? they state that their Doctorates allow you to
> call yourself 'Dr' just as validly as if you had done a Ph.D from the
> university of Illinois!! Is this true?
>
You are just as well off spending $35 for a Doctor of Devinity degree or one
of the other degrees offered by
Universal Life Church. ULC are the mother of all ordination and degree
mills -and they've fought many battles
in court defending their right to issue theese degrees and ordination.. So
why settle for a "Dr." when you also can
be a Reverend, Bishop or what ever you want to call yourself.??
-Henrik.
Thomas Nixon
sean wrote:
>
>I think there is some resentment from some academics that the man in
>the street can get a title that they spent thousands of dollars on...
>for just a few hundred bucks...unless you are in academic circles, to
>the man in the street a 'Dr' is a 'Dr' who gives a sh*t where it comes
>from!!!
>
Resentment. Maybe by a few. Probably more would be amusement at your
expense.
BTW, I hate to break this news to you, but if your goal is to get better
service,:
1. I don't think you get it by telling people that your a doctor. At
least not in my part of the country in this day and age.
2. You could just call yourself "doctor." How would they know otherwise?
And I won't get into the silliness of the whole thing.
Tom
----
Author, "Bears' Guide to Earning High School Diplomas Nontraditionally"
(Ten Speed Press, 2003)
http://www.tomnixon.net
sean
I don't actually have anything to prove, I already have an honours
degree and am doing a Masters degree through the Open university,
perhaps THE most respected distance learning establishment in
existence...my point is, this strange peculiarity of the American
education system whereby you can effectively 'buy' yourself into a new
social class is really funny..If I went ahead with it I will tell
everyone just how I did it..me and all my friends could be called 'Dr'
whatever..what a scream!!! I say if you've got the balls to carry it
off, as I have , why not?! I dont mix in academia...
However, as Dennis' answer proves there is plenty of snobbery in the
academic world, I am sure Harvard Ph.d's look down on Princeton Ph.D's,
Princeton look down on Yale etc etc ad nauseam....
However, saying that I have obviously touched a few nerves so am going
to not
visit the boards for a couple of weeks!!
In answer to Henrik..Pope!....I like the
sound of that, there has never been an English Pope..maybe when the
present one dies I will ask the Vatican if they are hiring...
Dennis Ruhl
sean wrote:
> *
> there has never been an English Pope. *
Wrong again.
Nicholas Breakspear - Adrian IV - 1154-1159
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sean
I stand corrected!!! I did not have the time to go through an
encyclopedia whatever as I was being humorous......and frankly have
better things to do !!!
Dennis, while you are doing your research, has there ever been a female
pope? There has always been a rumour about a Pope Joan, what can you
find out?
John Bear
> unless you are in academic circles, to
> the man in the street a 'Dr' is a 'Dr' who gives a sh*t where it comes
> from!!!
Unless, of course, that street is in one of the places, and there are quite a few of them,
where using the title of Doctor from an American institution without recognized
accreditation is a criminal offense, subjecting the user to fine and possible imprisonment.
Rich is quite right. If you want to call yourself "Doctor" for your own snobbish reasons,
just do it. Save the money. Print an equally useless diploma on your home printer, from the
nonexistent school of your choice. No one ever complained (as far as I know) about Doctor
Seuss, Doctor J, Doctor Dre, Doc Marten, etc., using the title.
PS: The B.A. (Hons) at Oxford presumably doesn't include instruction in the use of
apostrophes, eh?
Dennis Ruhl
Pope Joan- could be English - most likely myth
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08407a.htm
you can buy a book at http://www.popejoan.com
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The Dean
or google and type in free college degrees. I know of at least 3 sites
that will pop up.
sean
Dear John,dennis etc...
Thank you for your valuable input...my original question was about the
legality of universalministries.com which you have answered for me...
whether or not you esteemed gentlemen of high scholastic bearing give
credit to this school is of no consequence whatsoever to me!!!!
I don't live in the U.S.A, I wont be passing myself off as a medical
Doctor or setting up a sex therapy clinic!!!
Mr Bear, I am indeed a snob...you are quite right!!!Not ashamed of
it!!! I intend to fully exploit my new title when purchased and have
fun doing so..
However, I have taken on board your warnings about my doctorates
acceptance in higher academic circles and should I ever meet Dr Henry
Kissinger or Professor Stephen Hawking at a cocktail party..I will be
sure to tell them exactly how I obtained my doctorate!!! I will also
make it clear that I am not a real Doctor should I be asked to give a
speech at the next G8 summit....
However, Mr Bear, despite being a collosal snob, I would not presume to
criticise someones' punctuation...that in itself is a little bit snobby
you must admit!!! Also, if thats all you got, then I have obviously
ruffled your feathers so perhaps its time for me to withdraw gracefully
before a slanging match starts...
Therefore, I bid you all farewell...
Dennis, thanks for the input about Pope Joan, I will certainly look for
more info as it sounds interesting....it has been fun, you have
answered my questions and I have enjoyed the petty snipes, I will not
be visiting this self important forum again....
I gotta get me a Doctorate!!!
with love
Soon to be 'Dr' Sean!!!
Dennis Ruhl
sean wrote:
> * I will not be visiting this self important forum again....
>
> *
Why - too self important?
Good luck Dr.
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John Bear
In return for two quid for air mail postage, I'll be glad to send you a large and beautiful diploma of the Millard Fillmore Institute, with your own dear name and the honorary degree of your choice handsomely imprinted on genuine imitation parchment. I made these up in the '60s to poke fun at the world of honorary doctorates, and recently discovered a small stash of them. No strings attached, other than the necessary tacit admission that you just can't stay away from this forum to see what people are writing about you.
John Bear
Dennis Ruhl
John Bear wrote:
> *Hey, Sean
>
> In return for two quid for air mail postage, I'll be glad to send you
> a large and beautiful diploma of the Millard Fillmore Institute, with
> your own dear name and the honorary degree of your choice handsomely
Can I have one too? - you can talk about me all you want but you have
to throw in a London Institute of Advanced Research doctorate to boot.
Two or nothing - no ear pickers please.
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sean
Ha ha Ha!!..the old 'reverse psychology ploy'! Well done John, I like
your style!!! Ok, I will take the bait one last time!!
If your offer of a diploma is genuine I may well take you up on it!
While you are in a generous mood could I perhaps have a copy of your
book as well as a copy of your Ph.d thesis from...where was it?...aah
yes, Michigan. I find the cost of toilet paper is so expensive these
days and am therefore looking to save money in this area...
I have been reflecting on about your earlier comment; i.e:Oxford not
concentrating on punctuation..I must concede that you are right in this
regard.
However, I suggest you peruse the prospectuses of some of the colleges
you tout in your book..one of them might do a B.A in basic spelling and
grammar!! Heck, at the colleges Mr Douglas studied with you could
probably do a Ph.D in such a subject...
Now, it HAS been fun but I really must go!!!
regards
Dr Sean 'The Snob'
Rich Douglas
University. Dr. Bear served as a member of "Mr." Douglas' doctoral
committee.
Dr. Bear graduated from Michigan State, not Michigan. Certainly this
difference is obvious.
I'm relieved you found it just as simple to fake a doctorate as it is to
fake an Oxford honours degree. Unfortunately, neither improves your ability
to purchase the amounts of toilet paper you so obviously require.
May your departure provide a comparable level of relief.
--
Rich Douglas
BA (Sociology), The Unversity of the State of New York
BS (Business), The University of the State of New York
MBA, National University
Ph.D. (Nontraditional Higher Education), Union Institute and University
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Hello Rich! I wondered when you might pop up again in defence of the
'Chief'!!!
Say what you like about me Rich..
at the end of the day, those letters after your name aint from
harvard!!
John Bear
sean wrote:
> Ha ha Ha!!..the old 'reverse psychology ploy'! Well done John, I like
> your style!!! Ok, I will take the bait one last time!!
>
> If your offer of a diploma is genuine I may well take you up on it!
It is a genuine offer. Send me the postage costs, £2, and tell me what name you want on it.
Postage stamps, even non-US ones, will do, or PayPal.
> While you are in a generous mood could I perhaps have a copy of your
> book as well as a copy of your Ph.d thesis...
No.
John Bear, Ph.D. (not 'Ph.d)
PO Box 1755
El Cerrito, CA 94530 USA
sean
I have posted a new thread which I hope you will take the time to read
Rich Douglas
Harvard? Of course not. Nor have I said anything of the kind.
--
Rich Douglas
BA (Sociology), The Unversity of the State of New York
BS (Business), The University of the State of New York
MBA, National University
Ph.D. (Nontraditional Higher Education), Union Institute and University
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