why the acf faq CANNOT work for the acf webring (or any similiar webring)
rtdos
faq states what sites are acceptable because they have freeware, shareware,
trialware, demoware, or crippleware. you cannot judge a site by its
content. if that were the case, then how many sites in pricesslessware.org
or son of spy's website would have to be removed becaue those sites also
contained shareware, crippleware, demoware, trialware, betaware, etc. ?
the acf webring is for listing of websites only and not listing of software,
am i correct ? so, explain to me why i would even need to put a link to the
faq at all or even use it as a guide (if the website contained at least ONE
freeware program that might be of usefulness to anyone)?
Whether or not I hi-jacked the acf name, the main point is I really don't
have to use the faq as a guide or link to it because I'd be listing sites
only and not software (which was my original intention).
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»Q«
<news:3Yhob.65229$Tr4.174494@attbi_s03>:
> Subject: why the acf faq CANNOT work for the acf webring (or any
> similiar webring)
Thank you soooooo much for starting yet another thread about this.
I'll try this one more time, and I will not use the three letters
which make you so irrational, in case that helps.
You have started a webring purportedly to promote freeware. To you,
that includes promoting such things as shareware, adware, and
spyware. The group does not wish its name to be associated with a
webring whose purpose includes promoting such things as shareware,
adware, and spyware. So please don't use the name
'alt.comp.freeware' for your webring.
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"rtdos" <sta...@rtdos.info> wrote in message
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Alan
> "rtdos" <sta...@rtdos.info> wrote in
> <news:3Yhob.65229$Tr4.174494@attbi_s03>:
>
>> Subject: why the acf faq CANNOT work for the acf webring (or any
>> similiar webring)
>
> Thank you soooooo much for starting yet another thread about this.
>
> I'll try this one more time, and I will not use the three letters
> which make you so irrational, in case that helps.
>
> You have started a webring purportedly to promote freeware. To you,
> that includes promoting such things as shareware, adware, and
> spyware. The group does not wish its name to be associated with a
> webring whose purpose includes promoting such things as shareware,
> adware, and spyware. So please don't use the name
> 'alt.comp.freeware' for your webring.
Conversely, and perhaps of greater relevance, is that ACF should not
endorse a site or webring or whatever, that contains some grab bag of
assorted "ware" types, some of which just might happen to be freeware. I
guess there's no way of stopping anybody using the ACF name (in any
context) but there is certainly scope on ACF itself to comment on other
sites etc., as is often the case at present. I see lots of posts saying
"hardly any freeware here, not worth a visit", and I appreciate the
lodown.
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Bobby
Well if you continue to use this NGs name then the least
you should do is abide by its FAQ/RULES/CHARTER.
And IMO you should have asked if this group wanted
and would support a webring before starting one.
Bobby
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Bobby
Can Susan or Genna put up a disclaimer on the pricelessware stie
that would dis-accoiate A.C.F. from this stupid webring?
Just my opinion and suggestion.
El Gee
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> "rtdos" <sta...@rtdos.info> wrote in
> <news:3Yhob.65229$Tr4.174494@attbi_s03>:
>
>> Subject: why the acf faq CANNOT work for the acf webring (or any
>> similiar webring)
>
> Thank you soooooo much for starting yet another thread about this.
>
> I'll try this one more time, and I will not use the three letters
> which make you so irrational, in case that helps.
>
> You have started a webring purportedly to promote freeware. To you,
> that includes promoting such things as shareware, adware, and
> spyware. The group does not wish its name to be associated with a
> webring whose purpose includes promoting such things as shareware,
> adware, and spyware. So please don't use the name
> 'alt.comp.freeware' for your webring.
>
This is what I should have said in my post earlier. Thanx, Q. I
appreciate it.
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»Q«
<news:3fa1...@news.alphalink.com.au>:
> »Q« wrote:
>
>> You have started a webring purportedly to promote freeware. To
>> you, that includes promoting such things as shareware, adware,
>> and spyware.
>> The group does not wish its name to be associated with a webring
>> whose purpose includes promoting such things as shareware,
>> adware, and spyware. So please don't use the name
>> 'alt.comp.freeware' for your webring.
>
> Conversely, and perhaps of greater relevance, is that ACF should
> not endorse a site or webring or whatever, that contains some grab
> bag of assorted "ware" types, some of which just might happen to
> be freeware. I guess there's no way of stopping anybody using the
> ACF name (in any context) but there is certainly scope on ACF
> itself to comment on other sites etc., as is often the case at
> present. I see lots of posts saying "hardly any freeware here, not
> worth a visit", and I appreciate the lodown.
I notice that rtdos has passed through the group, srating at least
one new thread and responding to some posts but not to these two of
yours and mine, and he apparently intends to keep using the a.c.f
name for the webring.
Sietse's idea, posted in
<news:3fa11bb1$0$184$1b62...@news.wanadoo.nl>, is looking more and
more to me like a very good option to warn people it's not worth a
visit and to warn webmasters that it's a bad idea to join that ring.
Blinky the Shark
> Blinky the Shark <no....@box.invalid> wrote in
><news:slrnbq5sno....@thurston.blinkynet.net>:
>>> Can Susan or Genna put up a disclaimer on the pricelessware stie
>>> that would dis-accoiate A.C.F. from this stupid webring?
>> Already been requested. Dead silence. Sounds like they actually
>> want to be associated with it, or they'd take this simple step.
> Silence does not imply a desire to be associated with it. I would
> rather they keep the pricelessware.org site out of this entirely.
> If rtdos (or anyone else) tries to start a webring using the
> Pricelessware name, then pricelessware.org should object.
Lack of action *will result* in that association.
Pricelessware is, and is billed as, a creation of ACF. For
Pricelessware to maintain that connection and not be tainted by the
rogue webring, by association, as AFC itself will be, it has to be made
very clear on the site that the webring *is* rogue. As well as in the
real ACF FAQ, down under.
>> Why are you posting to alt.freeware.games, as well. This is not
>> their issue. [corrected]
(I should have said "alt.comp.freeware.games".)
> rtdos crossposts, and people follow him. Thanks for pointing it
> out - hopefully people will trim the Newsgroup list from now on when
> replying.
If he's rtdos is polluting and stealing from alt.comp.freeware.games,
too, then this probably *should* be posted there. I didn't know he
was trying to fuck them over, too. [correcting my correction]
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Susan Bugher
> »Q« wrote:
>
>>Blinky the Shark <no....@box.invalid> wrote in
>><news:slrnbq5sno....@thurston.blinkynet.net>:
>
>>>>Can Susan or Genna put up a disclaimer on the pricelessware stie
>>>>that would dis-accoiate A.C.F. from this stupid webring?
>
>>>Already been requested. Dead silence. Sounds like they actually
>>>want to be associated with it, or they'd take this simple step.
>
>>Silence does not imply a desire to be associated with it. I would
>>rather they keep the pricelessware.org site out of this entirely.
>>If rtdos (or anyone else) tries to start a webring using the
>>Pricelessware name, then pricelessware.org should object.
>
> Lack of action *will result* in that association.
>
> Pricelessware is, and is billed as, a creation of ACF. For
> Pricelessware to maintain that connection and not be tainted by the
> rogue webring, by association, as AFC itself will be, it has to be made
> very clear on the site that the webring *is* rogue. As well as in the
> real ACF FAQ, down under.
Since you ask - IMO putting such a notice on the PL site is a decision
to be made by ACF newsgroup participants.
AFAIK there is no consensus for this action as yet.
If the group decides that it *should* be done it *will* be done.
Susan
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Tiger
news:vq66foj...@corp.supernews.com:
> Since you ask - IMO putting such a notice on the PL site is a
> decision to be made by ACF newsgroup participants.
>
> AFAIK there is no consensus for this action as yet.
>
> If the group decides that it *should* be done it *will* be done.
>
Count me as a vote to do it.
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Blinky the Shark
> Susan Bugher <whoise...@kvi.net> wrote in
> news:vq66foj...@corp.supernews.com:
>> Since you ask - IMO putting such a notice on the PL site is a
>> decision to be made by ACF newsgroup participants.
>> AFAIK there is no consensus for this action as yet.
>> If the group decides that it *should* be done it *will* be done.
> Count me as a vote to do it.
Here, too.
Of course, this is the second vote. The first was apparently not
noticed...
Tiger
> Tiger wrote:
>
>> Susan Bugher <whoise...@kvi.net> wrote in
>> news:vq66foj...@corp.supernews.com:
>
>>> Since you ask - IMO putting such a notice on the PL site is a
>>> decision to be made by ACF newsgroup participants.
>
>>> AFAIK there is no consensus for this action as yet.
>
>>> If the group decides that it *should* be done it *will* be done.
>
>> Count me as a vote to do it.
>
> Here, too.
>
> Of course, this is the second vote. The first was apparently not
> noticed...
>
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Owen
> Tiger wrote:
>
>> Susan Bugher <whoise...@kvi.net> wrote in
>> news:vq66foj...@corp.supernews.com:
>
>>> Since you ask - IMO putting such a notice on the PL site is a
>>> decision to be made by ACF newsgroup participants.
>
>>> AFAIK there is no consensus for this action as yet.
>
>>> If the group decides that it *should* be done it *will* be done.
>
>> Count me as a vote to do it.
>
> Here, too.
>
> Of course, this is the second vote. The first was apparently not
> noticed...
>
I vote for it as well
Boomer
> Blinky the Shark wrote:
[snip]
>> Pricelessware is, and is billed as, a creation of ACF. For
>> Pricelessware to maintain that connection and not be tainted by
>> the rogue webring, by association, as AFC itself will be, it has
>> to be made very clear on the site that the webring *is* rogue.
>> As well as in the real ACF FAQ, down under.
>
> Since you ask - IMO putting such a notice on the PL site is a
> decision to be made by ACF newsgroup participants.
>
> AFAIK there is no consensus for this action as yet.
>
> If the group decides that it *should* be done it *will* be done.
>
> Susan
I agree.
Andy Mabbett
Bobby <bobby...@FORSUERE.com> writes
>
>Well if you continue to use this NGs name then the least you should do
>is abide by its FAQ/
Nobody has to abide by a FAQ (particularly a version written as an
expression of one person's PoV).
>RULES/
This group has none.
>CHARTER.
This group has none.
>And IMO you should have asked if this group wanted and would support a
>webring before starting one.
It seems to me that there should be two webrings - one which anyone
whose software is "pricelessware" is entitled to join (from the home
page for that application); and another for "fans of ACF" who may wish
to participate.
That said, anyone is free to set up a webring called ACF or
alt.comp.freeware, for whatever purposes. No one owns the name.
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Bobby <bobby...@FORSUERE.com> writes
>Can Susan or Genna put up a disclaimer on the pricelessware stie that
>would dis-accoiate A.C.F. from this stupid webring?
They could do, but not with any authority.
They could, with authority, put up a disclaimer, disassociating their
Pricelessware site, but that's all.
Andy Mabbett
Shark <no....@box.invalid> writes
>> Count me as a vote to do it.
>
>Here, too.
>
>Of course, this is the second vote. The first was apparently not
>noticed...
This isn't a vote, it's a straw- poll, buried in a thread which many
will already have killed.
Henk de Jong
news:3fa3600a$0$206$892e...@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net:
Me too
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Steve H
<usenet...@pigsonthewing.org.uk> wrote:
>In message <slrnbq6gmr...@thurston.blinkynet.net>, Blinky the
>Shark <no....@box.invalid> writes
>>> Count me as a vote to do it.
>>
>>Here, too.
>>
>>Of course, this is the second vote. The first was apparently not
>>noticed...
>
>This isn't a vote, it's a straw- poll, buried in a thread which many
>will already have killed.
Remarkable - you're often quick to point out that others cannot speak
for the group, and yet here you attest that 'many will have already
killed' the said thread.
How do you know?
Are you just guessing, or are you a liar...which is it to be?
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Vegard Krog Petersen
>>>>Pricelessware is, and is billed as, a creation of ACF. For
>>>>Pricelessware to maintain that connection and not be tainted
>>>>by the rogue webring, by association, as AFC itself will be,
>>>>it has to be made very clear on the site that the webring
>>>>*is* rogue. As well as in the real ACF FAQ, down under.
>>>
>>>Since you ask - IMO putting such a notice on the PL site is a
>>>decision to be made by ACF newsgroup participants.
>>>
>>>AFAIK there is no consensus for this action as yet.
>>>
>>>If the group decides that it *should* be done it *will* be
>>>done.
>>>
>>>Susan
>>
>>I agree.
> Me too
>
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John Fitzsimons
<whoise...@kvi.net> wrote:
>Blinky the Shark wrote:
< snip >
>> Pricelessware is, and is billed as, a creation of ACF. For
>> Pricelessware to maintain that connection and not be tainted by the
>> rogue webring, by association, as AFC itself will be, it has to be made
>> very clear on the site that the webring *is* rogue. As well as in the
>> real ACF FAQ, down under.
>Since you ask - IMO putting such a notice on the PL site is a decision
>to be made by ACF newsgroup participants.
ANY publicity for that ring is too much publicity. I will not be
mentioning it in the FAQ. Ignore it.
< snip >