knives in France
Dan Valleskey
around in Paris. Are there any cool knife shops to be found?
Will I be breaking any laws if I carry a medium size pocket knife?
Thanks!
-Dan V.
Corwin
I dont know if you've been reading this group regularly, but I posted the
exact same thing just over a month ago. I just got back from Paris and other
parts of France a few weeks ago. If you do a search on googlegroups you
might be able to find the thread. Keith is a very knowledgable guy on
knives in France as he lives there. He sent a list of shops and stuff to
visit as well as some magazines to take a look at.
It is legal to carry a medium sized manual pocket knife there, as I did
(spydie endura) and had to take it out when I went into Notre Dame. I dont
know much else though.
neL
Keith Rhodes
Use groups.google.com to find a thread started by "Corwin" on this very
subject!
Usual disclaimer: IANAL (I am not a lawyer)... but I have lived in France
for the last six years, and have seen this subject come up a few times in
knife magazines.
As far as the law goes, knives seem to be "class 6 weapons".
However, the law also states that an object is considered to be a weapon
if it is a thret to public safety/security. But the court of Bobigny
declared in 1995 in a case brought against a man for possession of a
"Laguiole" knife, that this was an "everyday item", rather than a
purpose-made weapon; therefore carrying this pocket knife in a public
place did not constitute a public danger.
I have also heard (this is anecdotal, and may not be true) that a knife
visibly worn on a belt pouch is OK, and a blade that is less than four
finger-breadths is OK. So... if you have big hands and fat fingers, you
can carry a big knife ;-)
Take it with a pinch of salt.
Anyway, I hop you have a good time, but be prepared to waste a lot of time
trying to get anywhere: it's strike season over here.
Keith.
Corwin
> trying to get anywhere: it's strike season over here.
>
> Keith.
Gack! They're still on strike? I remember when I was there we were inside
Galleries Lafayette and these people were marching around in there chanting
something and all the employees inside the place were scowling at them. I
was wondering what they were doing and then i saw the TGP (sp?) flag on the
news later and realized they were transportation people.
So are you making progress on your knives because of the strike, Keith? :)
neL
Keith Rhodes
No progress, I'm afraid. I had one day off work because of the strike,
then took the car. We're in for a few more days of strikes (one or two per
month until Spetember), until the government either makes some
concessions, or the strikers lose public sympathy (or they themselves run
out of energy).
The main unions are CGT, CFDT, CFTC, FO, UNSA, SUD.
I have to go to the British Embassy to sort out my passport that expired
at the end of May, and look after the kids on Friday. So no knifemaking
for me this week. I can do a bit of honing, once the kids are in bed. Look
at my thread on "EN42 and honing a Puukko" for links to new pics.
Keith.
Corwin
CGT!! that's what it was. With their red flag.
> I have to go to the British Embassy to sort out my passport that expired
> at the end of May, and look after the kids on Friday. So no knifemaking
> for me this week. I can do a bit of honing, once the kids are in bed. Look
> at my thread on "EN42 and honing a Puukko" for links to new pics.
>
> Keith.
Yah I just saw those pics... Sure can tell its a hollow grind now that
you've started honing it :) That's gonna be a sharp knife when you're done
with it. One of these days I'm gonna break out those knives I started on and
get them finished...
neL
Dan Valleskey
I did the Google search, and have printed off a few pages to take with
me. Thanks!
-Dan
Apokrif
> But the court of Bobigny declared in 1995 in a case brought against
> a man for possession of a "Laguiole" knife, that this was an
> "everyday item", rather than a purpose-made weapon; therefore
> carrying this pocket knife in a public place did not constitute a
> public danger.
Do you have the exact date of this judgment ? There's currently a
thread on this topic in fr.misc.droit .
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Keith
> Keith Rhodes :
>
> > But the court of Bobigny declared in 1995 in a case brought against
> > a man for possession of a "Laguiole" knife, that this was an
> > "everyday item", rather than a purpose-made weapon; therefore
> > carrying this pocket knife in a public place did not constitute a
> > public danger.
>
> Do you have the exact date of this judgment ? There's currently a
> thread on this topic in fr.misc.droit .
Unfortunately, I do not.
I was quoting from memory, from an editorial in either "Excalibur" or
"la Passion des Couteaux". As I don't have my magazines with me at the
moment, I am unable to check which magazine. Maybe when I get home
tonight, I will be able to find the magazine and write to the editor
to ask for more details.
A few months ago, I tried to track down the court records, but had no
luck... without knowing the exact date of the judgment, and the exact
denomination of the court, I think it is a difficult task.
What does the Greek text in your sig mean? Something to do with feet?
Keith
Apokrif
> > Do you have the exact date of this judgment ? There's currently a
> > thread on this topic in fr.misc.droit .
>
> Unfortunately, I do not.
>
> I was quoting from memory, from an editorial in either "Excalibur"
> or "la Passion des Couteaux".
It must be TGI Bobigny, 5/2/1995:
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?s=ab07b2c9533e9cd50103bd5001405e98&threadid=255604
(There's an interesting reply by Elde in the same thread)
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Keith
> keith_...@yahoo.com (Keith) :
>
> > > Do you have the exact date of this judgment ? There's currently a
> > > thread on this topic in fr.misc.droit .
> >
> > Unfortunately, I do not.
> >
> > I was quoting from memory, from an editorial in either "Excalibur"
> > or "la Passion des Couteaux".
>
> It must be TGI Bobigny, 5/2/1995:
> http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?s=ab07b2c9533e9cd50103bd5001405e98&threadid=255604
>
> (There's an interesting reply by Elde in the same thread)
Yes, a very interesting reply, in an interesting thread. Thanks for
posting the link.
I have been trying to find out how to get a copy of a judgment, or a
transcript of court proceedings.
I expected that sort of thing to be freely available from the court
web site.
The idea that "nul n'est censé ignorer la loi" - "ignorance of the law
is no defence" can only be accepted if citizens have free access to
the legal texts and jurisprudence.
Without having a good description of the Laguiole in question, I am
unsure of how relative to myself this case would be (I am not involved
in any legal proceedings, but "forewarned is forearmed")...
I have a Laguiole on my belt right now. It has a single blade. In the
Bobigny case, was the Laguiole fitted with corkscrew and caplifter?
Was it on the defendant's belt, or in his pocket?
And about that Greek text.....
Keith.