Message to John Bear from owner of California Coast
John Bear
How nice to know he reads this news group. It is in repoonse to my account
of his father telling me that the bad dissertations were kept under lock
and key. Actually what I wrote in my journal at the time, quoting Dr.
Neal, was much more devastating, but that will have to wait for my
posthumous edition. I continue to believe that CCU does a decent job for
many of its students, and that California approval benefits more than a
few California-based students.
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Dear John:
You are so full of crap. You know that didn't happen. I can't beleive
you have sunk to these levels. If you are going to make negative
comments, you should at least try and disclose factual or accurate
information, otherwise it places you on a par with Levicoff.
Tom
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A portion of my reply:
That is exactly how I wrote it in my journal at the time. I even took a
few Polaroids, as I recall. It was the very day in which Wilson Riles was
coming to visit in the afternoon.
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John Bear, co-author, Bears' Guide to Earning Degrees
Non-Traditionally
Thomas Nixon
John Bear wrote:
How intriguing that the knucklehead monitors the group. I've never seen him
post here, however. You would think with the many Cal Coast posts we've had
over the years that he would have piped up.
Tom
Steve Levicoff
> How intriguing that the knucklehead monitors the group. I've never seen him
> post here, however. You would think with the many Cal Coast posts we've had
> over the years that he would have piped up.
>
> Tom
And what a joy, yet a disappointment . . . The guy even knows of my
having blatantly called California Coast a degree mill for years, but he
has never tried to sue me. Ah, well, another chickenshit. Perhaps they
need some more windows in their little building.
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dlg...@aol.com
use the language and tone in written correspondence chosen by Dr.
Neal. His approach is clearly unprofessional, and overshadows his
message. The only other president I knew that leaped into the gutter
with personal, written attacks was Dr. Robert Conley, late president of
the Union Institute. Perhaps this is a malady common to leaders of
unaccredited or marginally accredited universities.
In article <john-14129...@fence3.ppp.lmi.net>,
> --
> John Bear, co-author, Bears' Guide to Earning Degrees
> Non-Traditionally
>
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Before you buy.
Kevin Stewart
DETC approval is weak, but definate.
Too bad people here are so saintly or that 'Union' crack might draw
blood...uhhhh, verbiage!
Kevin
dlg...@aol.com wrote in message <8384jv$ufb$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
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>Perhaps this is a malady common to leaders of
>unaccredited or marginally accredited universities.
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Steve Levicoff
> Real university presidents -- and I've served under several -- don't
> use the language and tone in written correspondence chosen by Dr.
> Neal. His approach is clearly unprofessional, and overshadows his
> message. The only other president I knew that leaped into the gutter
> with personal, written attacks was Dr. Robert Conley, late president of
> the Union Institute. Perhaps this is a malady common to leaders of
> unaccredited or marginally accredited universities.
Having never noticed "dlgl...@aol.com," who suddenly shows up claiming
to have "served under several" university presidents, my first question
is: Who are you, who were you, and who do you hope to be?
Seriously, I know of several university presents who use that kind of
fucking language. And even more teachers (including a few who became a
truckers) who do the same.
Besides, having known the late Dr. Conley, I never saw him go off on an
obscenity tirade or get into personal, written attacks. What a shame -
I'm sure it would have been humorous as hell.
And of course, as a Union graduate, I'm absoutely shocked to learn that
TUI is "marginally accredited," since during their last go-round with
NCA they were given the maximum length of reaccreditation.
So like I said: Who are you, who were you, and who do you hope to be?
Tom Head
> Real university presidents -- and I've served under several -- don't use
> the language and tone in written correspondence chosen by Dr. Neal. His
> approach is clearly unprofessional, and overshadows his message. The only
> other president I knew that leaped into the gutter with personal, written
> attacks was Dr. Robert Conley, late president of the Union Institute.
> Perhaps this is a malady common to leaders of unaccredited or marginally
> accredited universities.
As I recall, Nova Southeastern's former President Ferrera was also rather
aggressive in dealing with Dr. Bear -- but I agree on this being very
unprofessional behavior, and _usually_ limited to universities of questionable
repute. (I would regard Nova and TUI as exceptions.)
Just remember: an exemplary private four-year regionally accredited
institution, Mississippi College (average freshman GPA 25ish, ranked top-tier
by USN&WR, many Master's programs, huge library, and ABA-accredited law
school) once had Lewis Nobles as President. (And if you don't know about the
whole Nobles scandal: oy, DON'T make me repeat it here. Just do an AltaVista
search on the name and you'll get an ear full.) Nevertheless, MC was at the
time -- and continues to be -- an exceptional university.
(And Cal Coast still isn't.)
Peace,
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In article <3857CD46...@ix.netcom.com>,
levi...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
> dlg...@aol.com wrote:
>
> > Real university presidents -- and I've served under several -- don't
> > use the language and tone in written correspondence chosen by Dr.
> > Neal. His approach is clearly unprofessional, and overshadows his
> > message. The only other president I knew that leaped into the
gutter
> > with personal, written attacks was Dr. Robert Conley, late
president of
> > the Union Institute. Perhaps this is a malady common to leaders of
> > unaccredited or marginally accredited universities.
>
Steve Levicoff
Moi? Act professional? Surely you jest, sport. (And you obviously
haven't done your research.)
Here on alt.education.distance, to which we welcome you, if you want to
have any crediblity at all, the first thing you should learn is to
introduce yourself and post under your own name.
You have made specific claims about your experience and expressed
opinions that can be quite valid, but in order to establish your
credibility here, I'll return to the original question with a liberal
dash of at-tee-tude: Who are you, who were you, and who do you hope to
be? The first question is quite legitimate; you may treat the other two
as rhetorical.
chip
> Dear John:
>
> You are so full of crap. You know that didn't happen. I can't beleive
> you have sunk to these levels.
Such a positive and professional statement, coming from the *owner* of a
school that is probably one of the better "approved" programs.
Well, Mr. Thomas Neal Jr, for what it's worth, I've had a friendly
disagreement with Steve regarding the worth or lack thereof of Cal Coast
degrees... and your lack of professionalism with John Bear just goes to
further support Steve's position, which I'm moving closer and closer to.
Keep it up, and you'll soon be on a par with Les Snell and Ron Pellar.
chip
> Perhaps this is a malady common to leaders of
> unaccredited or marginally accredited universities.
"Marginally accredited"?
Do tell.
Regional accreditation is like pregnancy. You are or you aren't. The only
possible "marginal accreditation" I could imagnine would be a school on
probation. I personally know of no RA DL institution that has been on
probation... but I know of many traditional "bricks and mortar" schools that
have been placed on probation for a variety of reasons.
And if memory serves, Union earned the maximum time period between
reaccreditation visits on its last go-round. Far from "marginal" in my
book.
pcovers
> Keep it up, and you'll soon be on a par with Les Snell and Ron
> Pellar.
Chip, you did recently accuse me of beginning to sound like Snell. Now,
I guess I share that distinction, with this Cal Coast guy. The analogy
does get somewhat watered down when used to excess. After all, the
extreme of Snell and Pellar make any comparison, at least between them
and myself, unrealistic.
As far as I know, my opinions and the opinions of this Cal Coast
gentleman may have very little in common. Without identifying any
specific philosophical point, many posts in this group do occasionally
take on a mob mentality. I am the last to support the ne’er-do-wells of
the d-mill-ilk, but there is room for verity of opinion, possibly
bordering on extreme, without necessarily falling into "Snell†, or
“mill†mold.
This is not an attack on you, Chip, just an observation.
Paul C.
ps.
I will be unavailable for the next week as I am attending the Bowl game
between my MS alma mater, ISIM University, and the Fighting Onliners of
University of Maryland / University College (UMUC). Should be exciting!
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Just a few will do?
<dlg...@aol.com> wrote in message news:8384jv$ufb$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> Real university presidents -- and I've served under several -- don't
> use the language and tone in written correspondence chosen by Dr.
> Neal. His approach is clearly unprofessional, and overshadows his
> message. The only other president I knew that leaped into the gutter
> with personal, written attacks was Dr. Robert Conley, late president of
> the Union Institute. Perhaps this is a malady common to leaders of
> unaccredited or marginally accredited universities.
>
> In article <john-14129...@fence3.ppp.lmi.net>,
> jo...@ursa.net (John Bear) wrote:
> > This just in from Thomas Neal, Jr., owner of California Coast
> University.
> > How nice to know he reads this news group. It is in repoonse to my
> account
> > of his father telling me that the bad dissertations were kept under
> lock
> > and key. Actually what I wrote in my journal at the time, quoting Dr.
> > Neal, was much more devastating, but that will have to wait for my
> > posthumous edition. I continue to believe that CCU does a decent job
> for
> > many of its students, and that California approval benefits more than
> a
> > few California-based students.
> >
> > ======================
> >
> > Dear John:
> >
> > You are so full of crap. You know that didn't happen. I can't
> beleive
> > you have sunk to these levels. If you are going to make negative
> > comments, you should at least try and disclose factual or accurate
> > information, otherwise it places you on a par with Levicoff.
> >
> > Tom
> >
> > ========================
> >
> > A portion of my reply:
> >
> > That is exactly how I wrote it in my journal at the time. I even took
> a
> > few Polaroids, as I recall. It was the very day in which Wilson Riles
> was
> > coming to visit in the afternoon.
> >
> > =========================
> >
> > --
> > John Bear, co-author, Bears' Guide to Earning Degrees
> > Non-Traditionally
> >
>
>
chip
> So, what's your name, and what University presidents have you served
under?
> Just a few will do?
Maybe the person in question is a high-priced, um, escort. The meaning of
"served under" could in these circumstances be considerably more
believeable.
MooreJohnD
post because they fear some form of attack.
As for California Coast University, if the President of the school did write
that to John, it is indeed unprofessional. But who among us have never used
words like "crap" ? Does holding a PhD or a certain title elevate you to a
level of where you cannot get angry?
Tom Head
> I think there are a great many people who view this newgroup and do not
> wish to post because they fear some form of attack.
I don't. :P
> As for California Coast University, if the President of the school did
> write that to John, it is indeed unprofessional. But who among us have
> never used words like "crap" ? Does holding a PhD or a certain title
> elevate you to a level of where you cannot get angry?
No -- but, as you said, it's unprofessional. Besides, California Coast is an
unaccredited university; not having any form of accreditation (California
state approval aside) to rely upon, it must attract its students based on its
credibility. When the President of a university hurls pubescent insults at an
established authority in the field of distance learning, the credibility of
said university drops a notch (and completely unnecessarily, to boot).