Mark Wilson Interview
Producer
Inc.
"Dear Mark:
My name is Barton Stone, and I am (one) of the editors of a new
investigative publication named Subject Matter. We are running a story in
our August issue on John Bear and the H-W MBA program he distributes in the
United States.
You indicate 'we only include schools which are accredited either regionally
or by the DETC.'
We would appreciate your comments on the following:
1. This program is not licensed or approved by the State of California.
2. This program is not licensed or approved in any US jurisdiction.
3. This program has no accreditation from any American accrediting body.
4. This program is not accredited by any accrediting body appearing on the
list maintained by the US Department of Education.
5. This program is not accredited by DETC.
6. This program is not accredited by ANY accrediting body anywhere in the
world.
7. The Royal Charter granted in 1821 by King James to Heriot-Watt
University was done because King James was financially indebted to James
Heriot. A Royal Charter does not mean that the government of Scotland or
any other outside body or ministry of education performs any oversight
function. A Royal Charter is not "accreditation." Governments do not
accredit, they only license and or approve. Bear falsely states in his
materials that the H-W MBA program by distance learning is accredited when
in fact this program has no accreditation from any outside organization
anywhere in the world.
It is clear from the evidence summarized above, this program does not
qualify according to your own standards: regional accreditation or DETC
accreditation.
We would appreciate your response so that we can include your comments in
our article.
Thanks in advance.
Sincerely,
Barton Stone
Managing Editor
Subject Matter"
Mark Wilson's First Response:
"Hello,
Lets begin. If you are looking for someone to 'dump' on John Bear, you've
selected the wrong person. Our contacts and experience with him have always
proven him to be a person of high caliber and excellent standing within the
DL community. He is the ELDER statesman because he has earned that
position. Perfect? No, but who is?
Mark says: "You are correct. The ONLY exception in our book is HW. The
reason for that is three-fold.
1. I have spoken with many UK executives who speak very highly of the HW
program. It is widely respected there and in Europe (mainland) whereas most
American collegs are looked down on.
2. The school is the ONLY one allows people without a Bachelor's degree to
matriculate (Editor's Note: this statement is false. There are other MBA
programs that do not require the BA). If they can cut it - they can earn
their MBA. It is very rigorous program with a graduation rate of around 4%.
(Editor's Note: This is good?) There are some people who would benefit
tremendously from such a program, despite the potential problems re the lack
of US accreditation (Editors Note: There is no such thing as "US
Accreditation.") It is a very tough program (Editor's Note: No kidding. A
96% failure rate) and definitely compares in its educational value to the
typical MBA program in the US. (Editor's Note: There is no MBA program
anywhere in the US with a 96% failure rate).
3. John Bear - the name and his reputation speaks for itself. (Editor's
Note: This is true. Mr. Bear claims accreditation for his program when
none exists. Mr. Bear's history includes substantial involvement in
organizing and operating distance learning schools such as Greenwich
University and Fairfax University, though now he distances himself from such
involvement).
Mark goes on to say regarding Subject Matter's first point above about
California accreditation: "It cannot be. They only license schools based
in California." (Editor's Note: John Bear is based in California.
Heriot-Watt may be skirting California law by allowing Bear to hold himself
out as a "Distributor.")
Mark goes on to agree with points 2 through 7 above as presented by Subject
Matter.
Mark says: "As I indicated above, this is correct, but it does have a place
for certain students and many of the accreditation criteria simply don't
apply because it is a foreign school." (Editor's Note: Oh really! There
are numerious international and foreign accrediting bodies. Most foreign
schools belong to these bodies. Why is the H-W MBA program exempt?)
Mark says: "O.K. I would like to continue to go on record as being
supportive of HW for the right person. (Editor's Note: Who is the right
person for a program with a 96% failure rate?). It isn't for everyone
interested in an MBA by distance. There are over 50 such programs in the
US, but it does meet the needs of a particular group of people. (Editor's
Note: I guess he means the 4% who finish). That is why we include it in
our book - so that the individual can look at all of their options and
decide which is best for them."
More to Follow!
Wm. Dennis Huber
almost makes me wish that I COULD use profane language.
Snell, you are a First Class idiot.
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Producer wrote in message ...
Some1
appearances.
Producer/Snell's purpose appears to be to post lots of superficially
plausible stuff attacking those, John Bear most prominently, who
criticise bogus "schools" like Monticello.
Then, when people who don't regularly follow distance education check
out this NG, they get the impression that Dr. Bear and company are
"controversial" figures in the field. That's why Snell is posing as an
investigative journalist.
It doesn't really matter if the attacks make any sense or not. They are
simply intended to create an association between particular names and
being the subject of accusations. To taint reputations.
So when it comes time to choose a school, less knowledgeable people will
pass over the opinions of the "controversial" authors.
Which, in a backwards sort of way, is a testament to the value and
influence of those individuals and this newsgroup. Apparently they have
begun to hurt Monticello's bottom line.
Bill
Thomas Nixon
publication would ever do what he's done to an interview. Repeatedly inserting
text into a transcript of an interview calling the interviewee a liar really is
pathetic.
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Mark
Piles of manure...? Well let's see. In the most recent posts I've spent
no time arguing about how many angels dance on a pin head. I have:
- referred someone to your very excellent site on portfolios
- referred a number of people to John's Book and site
- referred a number of people to Thorson's book
- referred one person to a number of books on financial aid
- answered a question about Regents (where I am a student)
- answered accreditation question on Keller
- answered question on Travel and Tourism degrees
- referred a couple of people to Caso.com for courses online
- referred one person to the USDLA etc for text options
- clarified the lack of accreditation for the University of the United
States
- clarified what my true position is re H-W
- answered a question about law schools in California (where I attended)
- responded to MBA question.
- referred someone to sites for both MPH and Dietetics degrees
I could go on but this doesn't look like "piles" to me. To quote you
some weeks back, Res Ipsa Loquitor (The thing speaks for itself). They
are simply attempts to assist people who have more mundane questions on
this newsgroup. You "big guys" can handle the tougher philosophical
issues. I just want to help with the simple questions.
BTW. As soon as I received the initial question from "Mr. Nock", I sent
off both it and my responses to John wanting him to be aware that
someone was out dump on him and H-W.
Poetic justice? I certainly have earned some. Let's acknowledge the past
and go on...shall we?
Mark
Steve Levicoff wrote:
>
> "Wm. Dennis Huber" <WDHub...@msn.com> writes:
>
> >This is without a doubt the third stupidest thing I have ever seen. It
> >almost makes me wish that I COULD use profane language.
> >
> >Snell, you are a First Class idiot.
>
> True, but can you imagine it from Wilson's perspective? Here's a guy
> who has consistently been tossing out piles of manure onto the
> newsgroup, and suddenly Snell & Co. are bastardizing Wilson's position.
>
> Poetic justice, ne c'est pas?
>
> ,-~~-.___.
> / | ' \
> ( ) 0
> \_/-, ,----'
> ==== //
> / \-'~; /~~~(O)
> / __/~| / |
> =( _____| (_________|
> -----------------------------------
> Steve Levicoff
> levi...@ix.netcom.com
> http://members.tripod.com/~levicoff
> -----------------------------------
> A Proud Member of "The Gang of Six"
> -----------------------------------
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Committed to your educational needs,
Mark Wilson
Distance Degrees, Inc.
http://www.collegeathome.com
(541) 459-9384
Thomas Nixon
Mark wrote:
> Hi Steve,
>
> Piles of manure...? Well let's see. In the most recent posts I've spent
> no time arguing about how many angels dance on a pin head. I have:
>
> - referred someone to your very excellent site on portfolios
> - referred a number of people to John's Book and site
> - referred a number of people to Thorson's book
> -
Mark, Mark, Mark -
Take my advice - give it up! You're (probably) never going to convince Steve
that you offer worthwhile information. He's one person with his own
opinion. Regardless of whether Steve's right or you're right, you might as
well not respond. Rather like jousting at windmills, don't you think?
tom nixon
Thomas Nixon
the world. When is your next road trip?
Tom
Steve Levicoff wrote:
> Mark <sa...@collegeathome.com> writes:
>
> >I could go on but this doesn't look like "piles" to me. To quote you
> >some weeks back, Res Ipsa Loquitor (The thing speaks for itself). They
> >are simply attempts to assist people who have more mundane questions
> >on this newsgroup. You "big guys" can handle the tougher philosophical
> >issues. I just want to help with the simple questions . . .
>
> >Poetic justice? I certainly have earned some. Let's acknowledge the
> >past and go on...shall we?
>
> Why, certainly . . . As soon as I have seen the product with my own
> eyes and personally verified its journalistic integrity. You should
> know me well enough by now to realize that, while I am always willing
> to change my opinion, there must be evidence that convinces me to do
> so, not just someone's word of - for lack of a better term -
> repentance. When the thing speaks for itself, the thing must, by
> nature, include past history.
>
> Oh, and you might provide some information as to your qualifications to
> answer even *basic* questions, considering that you are purporting to
> answer those questions with the authority of an author and as an
> alleged expert in the field.
>
> ,-~~-.___.
> / | ' \
> ( ) 0
> \_/-, ,----'
> ==== //
> / \-'~; /~~~(O)
> / __/~| / |
> =( _____| (_________|
> -----------------------------------
> Steve Levicoff
> levi...@ix.netcom.com
> http://members.tripod.com/~levicoff
> -----------------------------------
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Mark
The ball has been in your court for a few days. I told you privately
that I would send you, Dennis, and Chip copies for free as soon as I
received your mailing address. I've mailed copies out to everyone but
you.
Qualifications? Check out anything I say and if it is incorrect I
welcome correction. If I don't know (as someone who is a participant in
DL personally) then I send people elsewhere - hense my request to this
board for help with people who can handle doctoral issues is depth. I'm
out of my league there especially.
Look at the kinds of questions I answer. Any dolt can give out addresses
and basic info on schools. This isn't rocket science, for crying out
loud!
Address?
Mark
Steve Levicoff wrote:
>
> Thomas Nixon <tcn...@ix.netcom.com> writes:
>
> >My, aren't we up late tonight, Steve? It must be 2:30 (?) in your
> >part of the world. When is your next road trip?
>
> Just came back from one, which is probably why my Usenet log appers to
> be so full. Of course, the prverbial 99-44/100% of the posts seem to
> focus on Snell and his many alter egos.
>
> ,-~~-.___.
> / | ' \
> ( ) 0
> \_/-, ,----'
> ==== //
> / \-'~; /~~~(O)
> / __/~| / |
> =( _____| (_________|
> -----------------------------------
> Steve Levicoff
> levi...@ix.netcom.com
> http://members.tripod.com/~levicoff
> -----------------------------------
--
Steve Levicoff
>This is without a doubt the third stupidest thing I have ever seen. It
>almost makes me wish that I COULD use profane language.
>
>Snell, you are a First Class idiot.
True, but can you imagine it from Wilson's perspective? Here's a guy
who has consistently been tossing out piles of manure onto the
newsgroup, and suddenly Snell & Co. are bastardizing Wilson's position.
Poetic justice, ne c'est pas?
,-~~-.___.
/ | ' \
( ) 0
\_/-, ,----'
==== //
/ \-'~; /~~~(O)
/ __/~| / |
=( _____| (_________|
-----------------------------------
Steve Levicoff
levi...@ix.netcom.com
http://members.tripod.com/~levicoff
-----------------------------------
Steve Levicoff
>I could go on but this doesn't look like "piles" to me. To quote you
>some weeks back, Res Ipsa Loquitor (The thing speaks for itself). They
>are simply attempts to assist people who have more mundane questions
>on this newsgroup. You "big guys" can handle the tougher philosophical
>issues. I just want to help with the simple questions . . .
>Poetic justice? I certainly have earned some. Let's acknowledge the
>past and go on...shall we?
Why, certainly . . . As soon as I have seen the product with my own
eyes and personally verified its journalistic integrity. You should
know me well enough by now to realize that, while I am always willing
to change my opinion, there must be evidence that convinces me to do
so, not just someone's word of - for lack of a better term -
repentance. When the thing speaks for itself, the thing must, by
nature, include past history.
Oh, and you might provide some information as to your qualifications to
answer even *basic* questions, considering that you are purporting to
answer those questions with the authority of an author and as an
alleged expert in the field.
,-~~-.___.
Steve Levicoff
>My, aren't we up late tonight, Steve? It must be 2:30 (?) in your
>part of the world. When is your next road trip?
Just came back from one, which is probably why my Usenet log appers to
be so full. Of course, the prverbial 99-44/100% of the posts seem to
focus on Snell and his many alter egos.
,-~~-.___.
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