Wager proposal for Zetadroids
John Ladasky
A lot of new email addresses have appeared in the sci.astro queue in
recent weeks, pushing Planet X nonsense.
Back in 1998 (yes, this absurd drama is over four years old), I had an
exchange with a certain Milly Gumper (mi...@webtv.net), who is
apparently still active with Nancy's cult:
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=6g3mbe%24dde%40pmgm.Stanford.EDU
Ms. Gumper accepted my wager via email. In 15 months, I expect to be
$1000 richer.
I am not the only person to make this kind of bet. Tom McDonald and a
fellow whose handle was "san" once got Josh Boersema to wager $1000
with each of them:
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=9l87bf%24t7a%241%40news1.xs4all.nl
Josh Boersema was ZanyTalk's "JosX", a very active promoter of
ZanyTalk up to last year. My understanding is that he had a change of
heart, and repudiated his beliefs. Really. How did I miss this?
Hey, guys, if you're reading this, what happened to the bet?
My feelings about Zetadroids are ambivalent. On the one hand, I feel
sorry for them that they can be manipulated so easily. I lament the
fact that we are not doing a better job of reaching the populace with
good science education. On the other hand, when I see how Zetadroids
stubbornly dismiss facts, become dismissive, and even insulting in
public forums, in a desperate attempt to shore up their untenable
beliefs, I think that they would do well to learn a little lesson in
objective reality.
Today, the latter mood has the upper hand. So now, for all of you new
folks -- ABC, J. William Dell, CNote, Havas, RudolfX, anyone (even
you, Nancy) -- how would you like to try to win $1000 from me? How
deep is your faith?
Here are the terms of the wager.
A previously-unknown planet must be visible to the naked eye from
Earth by Jan. 1, 2004, or else I win $1000 U.S. from you. Before that
day, if said novel planet becomes visible, I pay the $1000 to you.
When compared to ZanyTalk's "100% accurate!!!" predictions, I am being
very lenient. I do not require that ZanyTalk gets the position of the
planet correct. For years, ZanyTalk has pointed specifically to the
constellations Orion and Taurus. I give the imaginary planet the
entire year of 2003 to appear, even though ZanyTalk claims that It
Will Be All Over in May. The novel object can be anywhere in the sky,
as long as it's a planet (no comets or asteroids), and we can see it
without any optical aids.
Now, there are a few things that I would like to improve over the last
wager with Ms. Gumper, if I can. Accepting her bet via email was a
bit naive on my part. Despite her promises to the contrary, I expect
her to claim that she never made a bet with me, when it comes time for
me to collect.
I am not interested in having a coward disappear when their blessed
"prophecy" looks like it will be a money-loser. Therefore, anyone who
wants to accept my bet this time must 1) post their intent publicly,
in sci.astro; 2) post from an email account which reveals their REAL
NAME -- no more hiding behind anonymous logins, Zetadroids; 3)
additional terms for establishing your true identity will be imposed
as soon as I have had the opportunity to research the best way to do
this.
When the subject of a wager with Zetadroids has arisen in the past,
other improvements have been suggested. Several people have wondered
how to secure the assets. I and others have thought of an escrow
account. Although I didn't do this with Ms. Gumper, I would still do
it now if she would like to contact me about it. I am good for at
least two $1000 escrow deposits. If there is additional interest, I
can probably get some of my friends and family to join in the betting
pool.
You may ask for any clarifications, or suggest any additional terms
that you might like. I'm flexible.
Let me try to sweeten this deal just a bit further. If I can get at
least one more Zetadroid to place a bet with me, I will pledge that
any profits I receive (from Milly, too) will be distributed as
follows:
50% to my pocket -- because you need to feel the pain (and I need a
new computer).
25% to a charity of my choice -- I am thinking of a non-religious cult
deprogramming group, if one exists.
25% to a charity of the loser's choice, as long as it is demonstrable
that said charity has nothing to to with any sort of religious belief
(this is specifically meant to prevent Nancy's Troubled Times, Inc.
from benefiting from your loss).
Any takers?
If not, please stop posting here.
--
John J. Ladasky Jr., Ph.D.
Department of Biology
Johns Hopkins University
Baltimore MD 21218
USA
Earth
ABC
Mr. Ladasky,
I guess that Ph.D. isn't paying what it used to, huh?
Rudolph_X
John Ladasky wrote:
The ZetaDroids are mostly just hard-core Science Fiction fans who love a
good story... the scarier the better. No way any of them are going to
bet good money on any of this Planet_X hokey.
In Science Fiction, the fan 'voluntarily' suspends disbelief, and is
willing to believe the unbelievable, in order to get into the spirit of
the story for entertainment purposes, but no one is going to do that in
the 'real-world' when it comes to betting hard cash.
Its and illogical bet anyway.
If Nancy's claims are right - how will the ZetaDroids ever get to
collect on their bets - when over 90% of Earthlings will be dead - their
souls harvested by the Zetas to be reincarnated into the new human/alien
hybrid bodies (with IQs of 400) which are slated to replace mankind by
order of the Council Of Worlds, and the rest of what remains of the
Earth will be thrown into another dark-ages where money won't matter. If
the ZetaDroids win their bets, there won't be anyone left to pay or
collect.
It is not very likely that any ZetaDroid is going to accept any vulgar
offer to bet money on Nancy's claims. ZetaDroids, holding true romantic
ideals, are not interested in crass monetary considerations.
Also, another consideration is that betting for money is probably not
legal (disclaimer: I'm not giving legal advice here), so no one would
have to pay on the wager since the offer to bet is illegal to begin
with. (Although a friendly little wager of a six-pack of beer or a
frozen turkey, some slim-jims, or a fruit-cake, or something like that,
is probably OK to bet.)
Either way, I'm not taking the bet. Buy a lottery ticket if you want to
win some money. :)
Rudolph_X
John Ladasky wrote:
Nice try, John...
The ZetaDroids are mostly just hard-core Science Fiction fans who love a
good story... the scarier the better. No way any of them are going to
bet good money on any of this Planet_X hokey.
In Science Fiction, the fan 'voluntarily' suspends disbelief, and is
willing to believe the unbelievable, in order to get into the spirit of
the story for entertainment purposes, but no one is going to do that in
the 'real-world' when it comes to betting hard cash.
Its an illogical bet anyway.
os
You sir are a smarmy, arrogant, and irritating jerkoff. I would take
you up
on your wager, but unfortunately paper money has the tendency to lose
all of its worth when society is collapsing and the earth is in chaos.
I have a wager for you, if you are interested. If nancy and the zetas
turn
out to have been correct, I will come to your house and beat the
living daylight out of you. If the zetas are not correct, come may
2003, I would
still love to beat the living daylight out of you. So you see, I win
both ways!
Earl Colby Pottinger
> You sir are a smarmy, arrogant, and irritating jerkoff. I would take
> you up
> on your wager, but unfortunately paper money has the tendency to lose
> all of its worth when society is collapsing and the earth is in chaos.
>
> I have a wager for you, if you are interested. If nancy and the zetas
> turn
> out to have been correct, I will come to your house and beat the
> living daylight out of you. If the zetas are not correct, come may
> 2003, I would
> still love to beat the living daylight out of you. So you see, I win
> both ways!
AH, someone offers to bet money against Nancy's stupid claims so you offer to
beat them up for doing that. Ok, I make it easy for you. 333 King St West,
Oshawa, Ontario, Canada. Just drop by and ask for Earl.
Earl Colby Pottinger
PS. Please carry ID on your person, it makes it easyier for the hospital
contact relatives :)
--
I make public email sent to me! Hydrogen Peroxide Rockets, RAMDISK, Cabin
Raising, Camping, BoatBuilding. What happened to the time?
http://webhome.idirect.com/~earlcp
Earl Colby Pottinger
> I guess that Ph.D. isn't paying what it used to, huh?
Now look who it talking. As I remember it Mister Advance Degree in Math
could not come up with more than $100 to his name to make a bet about Planet
X. And so far has wiggled out of every bet he ever made. I am still
waiting for the copy of you diploma ABC(Nancy)!
Earl Colby Pottinger
John Jones
"Earl Colby Pottinger" <ear...@idirect.com> wrote in message
news:urfpb9s...@corp.supernews.com...
> ori...@starband.net (os) :
>
> > You sir are a smarmy, arrogant, and irritating jerkoff. I
would take
> > you up
> > on your wager, but unfortunately paper money has the tendency
to lose
> > all of its worth when society is collapsing and the earth is
in chaos.
> >
> > I have a wager for you, if you are interested. If nancy and
the zetas
> > turn
> > out to have been correct, I will come to your house and beat
the
> > living daylight out of you. If the zetas are not correct,
come may
> > 2003, I would
> > still love to beat the living daylight out of you. So you
see, I win
> > both ways!
>
> AH, someone offers to bet money against Nancy's stupid claims
so you offer to
> beat them up for doing that.
I thought that was pretty amusing myself. The zetacult members
can persuade educated people to buy into their silly religion, so
they're going to make threats of violence. LOL
Jeff Root
> I have a wager for you, if you are interested. If nancy and the
> zetas turn out to have been correct, I will come to your house
> and beat the living daylight out of you. If the zetas are not
> correct, come may 2003, I would still love to beat the living
> daylight out of you. So you see, I win both ways!
-- Jeff, in Minneapolis
.
os
>
> > You sir are a smarmy, arrogant, and irritating jerkoff. I would take
> > you up
> > on your wager, but unfortunately paper money has the tendency to lose
> > all of its worth when society is collapsing and the earth is in chaos.
> >
> > I have a wager for you, if you are interested. If nancy and the zetas
> > turn
> > out to have been correct, I will come to your house and beat the
> > living daylight out of you. If the zetas are not correct, come may
> > 2003, I would
> > still love to beat the living daylight out of you. So you see, I win
> > both ways!
>
> AH, someone offers to bet money against Nancy's stupid claims so you offer to
> beat them up for doing that. Ok, I make it easy for you. 333 King St West,
> Oshawa, Ontario, Canada. Just drop by and ask for Earl.
>
> Earl Colby Pottinger
>
> PS. Please carry ID on your person, it makes it easyier for the hospital
> contact relatives :)
Tough guy, huh? Why would I be going to the hospital? Are you going to
fire one of those silly hydrogen peroxide rockets at me when I
confront you face to face?
What happened to the girlfriend earl? Did she leave you for a real
man?
Stupid claims? One man's meat is another man's poison earl.
John Jones
"os" <ori...@starband.net> wrote in message
news:60e53be8.02102...@posting.google.com...
No. "Tough guy" would be the first one to make threats of
violence: "I would still love to beat the living daylight out of
you."
What a maroon!
CeeBee
"ABC" <no...@nospam.com> wrote:
>
> I guess that Ph.D. isn't paying what it used to, huh?
Better to be an underpaid honest Ph.D. than a liar about a Texas A&M
graduation in applied math making dishonest money with a doomsday cult scam
like you.
--
CeeBee
----
http://geocities.com/ceebee_2/
Ben Sisson
<enuf...@nothanks.invalid> (if that IS his real name)
conspiratorially whispered:
Really. I mean, for someone completely unaware to the planet x
garbage, all they would have to do to know who was right, even if they
had never even HEARD of physics, is take a look at the complete IDIOTS
that make up 100% of its supporters, like this 'os' bozo.
--
Ben Sisson
"Yes, Captain. I am a lying, boneless, toady dweeb
but I am YOUR lying, boneless, toady dweeb!"
-The Dnyarri, Star Control 2
CeeBee
"os" <ori...@starband.net> wrote:
> You sir are a smarmy, arrogant, and irritating jerkoff. I would take
> you up
> on your wager, but unfortunately paper money has the tendency to lose
> all of its worth when society is collapsing and the earth is in chaos.
>
> I have a wager for you, if you are interested. If nancy and the zetas
> turn
> out to have been correct, I will come to your house and beat the
> living daylight out of you. If the zetas are not correct, come may
> 2003, I would
> still love to beat the living daylight out of you. So you see, I win
> both ways!
You, kiddie, shouldn't be allowed to tamper with your daddies computer and
spout such violent language.
Before you know it his provider has a complaint on its electronic doorstep
and you the law enforcement on your real doorstep.
CeeBee
"Earl Colby Pottinger" <ear...@idirect.com> wrote:
> AH, someone offers to bet money against Nancy's stupid claims so you offer
to
> beat them up for doing that. Ok, I make it easy for you.
Earl,
Please no.
You have more class in the top of your little finger than all of the
zetacult member in their collective brown dwarf bodies over the last 5
years.
Let this bimbo shout. If Nancy wants to associate herself with street gang
level and other criminals - so be it.
That violence threath said more about Nany's zetax scam than five years of
her (and her morphing drones) usenet spam.
O'Brother
Is it my imagination or are all the ZetaZoids starting to sound like ABC?
Frightening to think there's all these little nancy's skittering around when
the lights are turned off, and then hiding in the Wainscotting during the
day. Eeeesh!
O'
Fin Fahey
news:0PYt9.70499$VQ2.16...@twister.midsouth.rr.com...
Even more so, because 'os' is likely TOSable for that initial threat of
violence. I'm not in favour of netcopping in general, but I think exceptions
can be made sometimes.
--
Fin
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fin@albédo.demon.co.uk
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(please Tippex out the acute accent to reply)
Fin Fahey
'os', you're treading a fine line. If you want to be TOSed for threats of
violence, just carry on. One forward to ab...@StarBand.com will do the
trick.
Fin Fahey
news:Pd_t9.141638$Cz.13...@twister.neo.rr.com...
Well, you'll have to work into your Power Rangers scenario (which is
actually pretty cool, just not my age-group), the bit where all the little
mini-baddies (ABC included) all go and hide, awestruck, while s00per-baddie
Dell comes crunching across the landscape, and then they later come back to
squeak and scrabble around the good guys' feet after he's been sliced, diced
and fricasseed. Hmmm - can we map it onto Pokemon?? (ABC, os, Cnote,
Rudolph_X... Gotta Catch Them All!!!).
John Ladasky
> Mr. Ladasky,
>
> I guess that Ph.D. isn't paying what it used to, huh?
What a lame attempt at a dodge.
Where've you been, "ABC"? Clearly you don't hang around universities
much. Postdoctoral fellowships never paid a lot, and the jobs
afterwards not gold mines, either. A Ph.D. will eventually net you a
comfortable economic life, but it's a far cry from the country club.
You pursue a Ph.D. because you are excited about your field of study,
not about what it pays. If money is what you love, you get an M.D.,
J.D., or M.B.A. Or, you wager larger amounts of money than the paltry
$1000 I have proposed.
So, will you meet my $1000 challenge, or not? If not, please explain
why. And please make your explanation your LAST post in sci.astro.
Thank you.
John Ladasky
> The ZetaDroids are mostly just hard-core Science Fiction fans who love a
> good story... the scarier the better. No way any of them are going to
> bet good money on any of this Planet_X hokey.
But, Rudolph, two of them already have accepted bets! Milly Gumper is
on the hook with me. Joshua Boersema committed to a wager with Tom
McDonald. I provided the links to the archived Usenet articles.
As for those who won't take the bet -- well, then, deep down, they
don't believe in Nancy. In which case, they are jerks who should STOP
spamming the Internet on her behalf. Put your money where your spam
is. Or go forth and spam no more.
> In Science Fiction, the fan 'voluntarily' suspends disbelief, and is
> willing to believe the unbelievable, in order to get into the spirit of
> the story for entertainment purposes, but no one is going to do that in
> the 'real-world' when it comes to betting hard cash.
You want entertainment? Go make the Zeta Movie, then. Movies are
great fun. I approve of suspending one's disbelief when being
entertained. I have been known to enjoy a science fiction book or
film now and then. However inspiring my entertainment might be for
me, however, I don't mix my fiction with fact. Take your
entertainment out of the science newsgroup hierarchy.
> Its and illogical bet anyway.
>
> If Nancy's claims are right - how will the ZetaDroids ever get to
> collect on their bets - when over 90% of Earthlings will be dead - their
> souls harvested by the Zetas to be reincarnated into the new human/alien
> hybrid bodies (with IQs of 400) which are slated to replace mankind by
> order of the Council Of Worlds, and the rest of what remains of the
> Earth will be thrown into another dark-ages where money won't matter. If
> the ZetaDroids win their bets, there won't be anyone left to pay or
> collect.
Well, I'm flexible. Let's try to make the bet a little more
"logical", from your point of view. So that y'all will pony up.
First of all, as the terms have presently been stated, I'm ready and
able to pay on the FIRST day that a new planet becomes visible to the
naked eye in Earth's skies. Money ought to be worth something on that
day. If it wasn't absolutely clear, *I* wasn't planning on waiting
until 1/1/2004 to pay up, if I should happen to be wrong.
However, I was willing to and wait until 1/1/2004 for my credulous
opponent(s) to pay. Back in 1997 Nancy was claiming that her "Planet
X" was a SECOND-MAGNITUDE object in the constellation Orion. That is
as bright as Polaris, the North Star. There is no way that anyone
could have missed this object. Yet, it wasn't there. Nancy weaseled,
and yet the Zetadroids still believed. In allowing the bet to run to
1/1/2004, I was giving Nancy yet one more chance to claim, "damn this
implant and my semi-functional brain, I misunderstood the Zetas again,
what they *really* meant was..."
But, suppose that "Planet X" really is coming in May 2003. Suppose
that you think that, by the time PX is VISIBLE, every human being on
Earth will be running around like a decapitated chicken, and that
money will be meaningless. With my $1000 sitting in an escrow account
in your town, you can still go buy a little extra camping gear and
fill the gas tank of your car before leaving home forever. There must
be at least some time lag between the discovery of a big old PLANET
and any ensuing panic. Look, Quaoar was discovered a few weeks ago,
and not one person has gotten hysterical.
So, try these alternative conditions on for size. A Zetadroid can win
$1000 from me if the following conditions are met:
1) The date is May 31, 2003 or earlier;
2) A peer-reviewed scientific article, or press release carried by the
Associated Press or UPI newswire appears, that meets the following
criteria:
a) The report describes a previously unknown celestial body, which
orbits the Sun;
b) Computations of the object's orbit indicate that it WILL be a
naked-
eye object, visible from Earth without optical aids, by no later
than
December 31, 2003;
c) The diameter of the object is indicated to exceed 3,000
kilometers.
This is only a bit smaller than Earth's moon, so it will
comfortably be
called a "planet." However, again, this leaves a LOT of wiggle
room for
the Zetadroids, given that Nancy has claimed that "Planet X" is
four
times the size of Earth! Not the Moon, but Earth.
Note how I am modeling this after the recent Quaoar press release.
They reported the find, they reported the orbit, and they reported the
size, all in one day. And every major newspaper in the developed
world covered the story.
You'll notice too that I have never once required that Nancy's
imaginary planet, should it ever appear, to cause a "pole shift" of
the Earth. Still more ZetaWiggleRoom. I am being quite generous.
A Zetadroid pays me $1000 when the date reaches January 1, 2004, and
the above conditions have not been met.
If anyone likes my older terms better, they can have those instead.
Or propose something else that you like, and I will comment on its
fairness.
The escrow account will help. I would agree to set up the escrow
account at a financial institution in the home town of my opponent, so
long as said insitution does not have any bad reports at the Better
Business Bureau. This way, if the bet goes in favor of the Zetadroid,
the Zetadroid can withdraw the funds BEFORE "money becomes
meaningless."
> It is not very likely that any ZetaDroid is going to accept any vulgar
> offer to bet money on Nancy's claims. ZetaDroids, holding true romantic
> ideals, are not interested in crass monetary considerations.
Right. This is why they have donated their money to Nancy. I see no
reason why they should not therefore also donate some money to me. In
the long run, the money that they send my way will do them more good.
> Either way, I'm not taking the bet.
It is only honorable, then, that you will post no more Planet X junk
in the sci.newsgroups.
> Buy a lottery ticket if you want to win some money. :)
Oh, but I don't want to win money, as much as I want to teach
Zetadroids a lesson. But, if I'm going to gamble, I might as well
win. A bet against the Zetadroids at the cosmic crap table has killer
odds, compared to the lottery.
John Ladasky
post with his/her true identity...
ori...@starband.net (os) wrote in message news:<60e53be8.02102...@posting.google.com>...
> You sir are a smarmy, arrogant, and irritating jerkoff.
And in this case, 100% sure of collecting $1000 from anyone who will
take me up on my bet. Nice to meet you, too.
> I would take you up on your wager, but
... but, deep down, you don't ACTUALLY believe in Planet X. Face it.
> unfortunately paper money has the
> tendency to lose all of its worth when society is collapsing and the earth
> is in chaos.
O.K., O.K., Mr. Rudolph_X pointed this out, and if you read my
response to him, I have proposed a modification which will allow a
VERY lucky Zetadroid to grab $1000 while it's "still worth something."
Hey, I'm now thinking that I can do even better than what I suggested
to Rudolph_X. I believe that money will remain useful on January 1,
2004. Zetadroids do not. I am happy with $1000 of a Zetadroid's
money waiting in escrow for me. The Zetadroid thinks that my $1000 is
an empty offer. O.K., Zetadroids, what tool or collection of tools,
costing about $1000, do you think will help you through your Troubled
Times? I could offer to buy those objects for you and put the objects
in escrow, within your easy reach should you happen to win the bet.
> I have a wager for you, if you are interested.
WOW. This guy wants to play Bart Simbrel to my Buzz Aldrin.
> If nancy and the zetas turn
> out to have been correct, I will come to your house and beat the
> living daylight out of you.
Oooooh, violence! Truly the mark of an enlightened one!
> If the zetas are not correct, come may 2003, I would
> still love to beat the living daylight out of you. So you see, I win
> both ways!
No, if the Zetas are not correct, and you attempt to take out your
frustrations on another human being for having the temerity make you
face your own foolishness, then you are a big loser.
I'm ready to write a $1000 check. Are you, "os"? How deep is your
faith? Put your money where your fists and angry words are.
Remember, I've already got one Zetadroid on the hook, and Tom McDonald
has another.
Rudolph_X
John Ladasky wrote:
> Rudolph_X <nos...@please.com> wrote in message
> news:<3DB7A1E0...@please.com>...
>
>
>> The ZetaDroids are mostly just hard-core Science Fiction fans who
>> love a good story... the scarier the better. No way any of them
>> are going to bet good money on any of this Planet_X hokey.
>>
>
> But, Rudolph, two of them already have accepted bets! Milly Gumper
> is on the hook with me. Joshua Boersema committed to a wager with
> Tom McDonald. I provided the links to the archived Usenet articles.
>
> As for those who won't take the bet -- well, then, deep down, they don't
> believe in Nancy. In which case, they are jerks who should STOP
spamming
> the Internet on her behalf. Put your money where your spam is.
> Or go forth and spam no more.
>
The two apparently devolved folks who (you claim) took illegal bets on
Nancy's PX predictions have long since taken up residence at the Happy
Glades Mental Institution, not far from Nancy's 'safe-location' ranch.
Although she does send them a packet of seeds from time to time, along
with her 'Get Well!' cards, they obviously no longer belong to the
group. (Unfortunately, since they are obviously mentally incompetent,
you'll never get to collect on any bet from them.) Also, they took the
bets before the current ZetaDroid charter was formed, so they are not
officially ZetaDroids at all, being of the PreZetaDroidian phylum.
>
>> In Science Fiction, the fan 'voluntarily' suspends disbelief, and
>> is willing to believe the unbelievable, in order to get into the
>> spirit of the story for entertainment purposes, but no one is
>> going to do that in the 'real-world' when it comes to betting
>> hard cash.
>>
>
> You want entertainment? Go make the Zeta Movie, then. Movies are great
> fun. I approve of suspending one's disbelief when being entertained.
> I have been known to enjoy a science fiction book or film now and
> then. However inspiring my entertainment might be for me,
> however, I don't mix my fiction with fact. Take your entertainment
> out of the science newsgroup hierarchy.
>
Why pay for a ticket when Zetatalk is free! These days, it seems that
really good Science Fiction in books on TV or in the movies is nearly
nonexistant. And again, why pay for stale modes of SCIFI when you get
live interactive SCIFI free from Nancy and the ZetaDroids. Historically,
this Zeta stuff is almost on par with the Orson Wells' radio broadcast
"War of the World" phenomenon that shook the world! Well, no one is
shooting at water towers, and folks haven't started jumping out of
buildings yet, but still... Nancy isn't finished yet.
>
>> Its and illogical bet anyway.
>>
>> If Nancy's claims are right - how will the ZetaDroids ever get to
collect
>> on their bets - when over 90% of Earthlings will be dead - their
souls harvested by the Zetas to be reincarnated into the new human/alien
>>hybrid bodies (with IQs of 400) which are slated to replace mankind by
>>order of the Council Of Worlds, and the rest of what remains of the
>>Earth will be thrown into another dark-ages where money won't matter. If
>>the ZetaDroids win their bets, there won't be anyone left to pay or
>>collect.
>>
>
> Well, I'm flexible. Let's try to make the bet a little more
> "logical", from your point of view. So that y'all will pony up.
>
Forgeta 'bout it... the bet is off. Who needs 200 sawbucks anyway?
Terms shwerms, no bet, daddy'o...
>
> The escrow account will help. I would agree to set up the escrow
> account at a financial institution in the home town of my opponent, so
> long as said insitution does not have any bad reports at the Better
> Business Bureau. This way, if the bet goes in favor of the Zetadroid,
> the Zetadroid can withdraw the funds BEFORE "money becomes
> meaningless."
>
>
>>It is not very likely that any ZetaDroid is going to accept any vulgar
>>offer to bet money on Nancy's claims. ZetaDroids, holding true romantic
>>ideals, are not interested in crass monetary considerations.
>>
>
> Right. This is why they have donated their money to Nancy. I see no
> reason why they should not therefore also donate some money to me. In
> the long run, the money that they send my way will do them more good.
>
>
>>Either way, I'm not taking the bet.
>>
>
> It is only honorable, then, that you will post no more Planet X junk
> in the sci.newsgroups.
>
I've never posted any Planet_X junk to begin with. Perhaps you've
mistaken me for someone else?
>
>>Buy a lottery ticket if you want to win some money. :)
>>
Want a good number? Because that's the most you are going to get out of
me. Try this number derived from PX Dday... Here's my special winning
formula! (It's almost as good as my secret recipe for onion sauce, but
don't tell anyone else about it, because it's top-secret
'for-you-eyes-only' proprietary information.) OK. Let's say May=5, and
we'll also use the year 2003, May of 2003, that's the date given by the
aliens. Nancy hasn't given us the exact day for the
End-Of-Life-As-We-Know-It, so we'll skip it. Then divide the month value
by the year value (5/2003=0.0024963). Take the last four digits 4963 and
you've got a good pick-4 number. Now go and put $10 on the number if you
want to try it, and Good Luck!
os
I have heard much worse language coming from the planet x debunkers
on sci.astro, (i.e. - micheal cuntingham, who shows up at the zeta irc chats
every weekend) So what's the problem douchebag? You can curse but I cannot?
And calling people with an open mind "zetadroids" is pretty insulting.
I would like to see you call me that to my face.
Earl Colby Pottinger
> Earl Colby Pottinger <ear...@idirect.com> wrote in message
> news:<urfpb9s...@corp.supernews.com>...
> > ori...@starband.net (os) :
> >
> > > You sir are a smarmy, arrogant, and irritating jerkoff. I would take
> > > you up
> > > on your wager, but unfortunately paper money has the tendency to lose
> > > all of its worth when society is collapsing and the earth is in chaos.
> > >
> > > I have a wager for you, if you are interested. If nancy and the zetas
> > > turn
> > > out to have been correct, I will come to your house and beat the
> > > living daylight out of you. If the zetas are not correct, come may
> > > 2003, I would
> > > still love to beat the living daylight out of you. So you see, I win
> > > both ways!
> >
> > AH, someone offers to bet money against Nancy's stupid claims so you
> offer to
> > beat them up for doing that. Ok, I make it easy for you. 333 King St
> West,
> > Oshawa, Ontario, Canada. Just drop by and ask for Earl.
> >
> > Earl Colby Pottinger
> >
> > PS. Please carry ID on your person, it makes it easyier for the hospital
> > contact relatives :)
>
> Tough guy, huh?
No, infact I am the average computer nerd you find in any computer store.
But people who think that beating up someone is the way to prove that Nancy
is right, are usually as most of Nancy's ZetaDrones, all mouth. We get
claims from the ZetaDrones, we get insults from the ZetaDrones, we get offers
of beatings from ZetaDrones. But what we can't get from them is good science
or proof.
> Why would I be going to the hospital?
Why not, in Canada medical care is free or low cost, you might as well make
use of it.
> Are you going to fire one of those silly hydrogen peroxide rockets at me
> when I confront you face to face?
? Hydrogen Peroxide Rocket? Is that you ABC(Nancy)? What does rockets have
to do with me giving you an address?
> What happened to the girlfriend earl? Did she leave you for a real
> man?
She is busy getting her next two degrees ABC(Nancy). By the way ABC(Nancy),
when are you going to send yours?
> Stupid claims? One man's meat is another man's poison earl.
A stupid claim that does not match observable reality stays a stupid claim.
Planet X was to be getting brighter as it appoachs Earth, instead it seems to
be getting dimmer and dimmer. That is a stupid thing to fear.
Earl Colby Pottinger
Earl Colby Pottinger
> "os" <ori...@starband.net> wrote in message
> > Tough guy, huh? Why would I be going to the hospital? Are you going to
> > fire one of those silly hydrogen peroxide rockets at me when I
> > confront you face to face?
> >
> > What happened to the girlfriend earl? Did she leave you for a real
> > man?
> >
> > Stupid claims? One man's meat is another man's poison earl.
>
> Is it my imagination or are all the ZetaZoids starting to sound like ABC?
No, I would agree OS sounds like ABC(Nancy), and ABC(Nancy) sounds like Nancy
herself. This does not mean that they are the one and the same, but it does
look like Nancy is coaching them in what to say.
> Frightening to think there's all these little nancy's skittering around
when
> the lights are turned off, and then hiding in the Wainscotting during the
> day. Eeeesh!
On the otherhand them are still so busy posting here them can't go out to
warn the people about the doom coming.
Earl Colby Pottinger
Earl Colby Pottinger
Really? Point out a single post where someone from sci.astro said they would
carry out a violent action to a ZetaDrone in the sci.astro or IRC. My post
to ABC to do a wall test is clearly not one as it is an experiment to prove
or disprove his claim that Nancy's ZetaTalk physics is more logical than
Newton's. If Nancy's physics is right as he claims he will not reach the
wall as the force to keep him moving will be removed before he reachs the
wall, if Newton is right then an object in motion stays in motion and he will
reach the wall unless he applies a force to change the motion. See science
is fun!
Cardinal Chunder
> You sir are a smarmy, arrogant, and irritating jerkoff. I would take
> you up
> on your wager, but unfortunately paper money has the tendency to lose
> all of its worth when society is collapsing and the earth is in chaos.
So what's the problem? If paper money loses its worth you have nothing
to lose by accepting the bet.
Chosp
> unfortunately paper money has the tendency to lose
> all of its worth when society is collapsing and the earth is in chaos.
That's your excuse for not betting?
Chickenshit.
>
> I have a wager for you, if you are interested. If nancy and the zetas
> turn
> out to have been correct, I will come to your house and beat the
> living daylight out of you. If the zetas are not correct, come may
> 2003, I would
> still love to beat the living daylight out of you. So you see, I win
> both ways!
No. You lose every which way.
You demonstrate that you are stupid and proud of it.
You will never win on this issue.
You can't. Planet x doesn't exist.
There will be no pole-shift.
You will remain a loser until you die.
Too bad.
John Ladasky
I don't buy this. If Mr. Cunningham or anyone else threatened a
Zetadroid, I am sure that we would have heard all about it. From
Nancy. It would score points for her cause.
> And calling people with an open mind "zetadroids" is pretty insulting.
If the shoe fits, wear it.
If your mind is TOO open, you get water in your shoes when it rains.
F = G * m1 * m2 / r^2. Nancy says this isn't true, for her imaginary
planet. It is true for every other object that has ever been measured
by science.
Try something simpler. An object in motion tends to remain in motion,
unless an outside force acts upon it. Nancy conjures imaginary forces
to explain the twists and turns of her imaginary planet, every time
she needs one.
Simpler still: 2 + 2 = 4. Do you need to have an open mind about
that? I suspect that, come May 1, 2003, Nancy will demand something
like this of the Zetadroids. She'll need to manufacture some hysteria
to keep the faithful in line. Some of the Zetadroids will say, "Yes,
Nancy, 2 + 2 = 5." Will you be one of them?
If there is any turmoil in the world next May, it will be over the
U.S. war in Iraq or some blowback from that. There will be no Planet
X.
> I would like to see you call me that to my face.
I would like to indulge your request. But you'll have to see my
$1000, and raise me another $1000, to earn the privilege. Come on,
it'll be fun!
Chosp
Gladly.
The cursing is irrelevant, douche nozzle.
The issue is the threat of violence.
Besides which, zetadroids categorically don't have open minds.
You, least of all.
Michael L Cunningham
> I have heard much worse language coming from the planet x debunkers
> on sci.astro, (i.e. - micheal cuntingham, who shows up at the zeta irc chats
> every weekend) So what's the problem douchebag? You can curse but I cannot?
> And calling people with an open mind "zetadroids" is pretty insulting.
> I would like to see you call me that to my face.
Now why did you have to drag my name into your little name calling
party? I was sitting here, minding my own business, watching the
debunker team double tag your ass and you had to drop my name! Damn!
May I remind you that obany keeps a tight rein on comments on IRC
(except for Nancy who can call other people whores and pimps without
fear) and would bounce me at a moments notice for use of foul language.
Check the IRC logs bozo and show us one time I used any foul language on
IRC.
You must know me pretty well since you like mispelling my last name.
Cuntingham is cute but not endearing. You must also know my backgound
too and I'm not talking about the 40 years of astronomy. I'm talking
about the thirty years plus of something else that's one of my hobbies.
I haven't taught that particular hobby in about seven years but if you
would like a free lesson and live in Los Angeles, let me know when and
where to show up. Not only will I call you "zeatadroid" to your face,
I'll label you zetadrone, fraud, cunt (from your spelling of my last
name)and any other name that happens to cross my mind.
Well?
--
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And by the way, according to Zetatalk the economy should have been reduced to
the barter system by now. Maybe the bet could be a goat and a couple of barrels
of worms.
CeeBee
"os" <ori...@starband.net> wrote:
> I have heard much worse language coming from the planet x debunkers
> on sci.astro, (i.e. - micheal cuntingham, who shows up at the zeta irc
chats
> every weekend) So what's the problem douchebag? You can curse but I
cannot?
> And calling people with an open mind "zetadroids" is pretty insulting.
> I would like to see you call me that to my face.
You already showed us here that you're a thug. Ranting is one, threathening
with violence is way out.
One more of this and a complaint is filed with the provider you're posting
from.
Himitsu
cannot?
> And calling people with an open mind "zetadroids" is pretty insulting.
There is nothing wrong with an open mind, but having one so open that
your brain falls out is a bad thing. You might start believing in alien
channeling and smoldering brown dwarf with moons swirling behind it.
> I would like to see you call me that to my face.
<yawn>
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John Ladasky
> John Ladasky wrote:
>
> > Rudolph_X <nos...@please.com> wrote in message
> > news:<3DB7A1E0...@please.com>...
[snip]
> > >Either way, I'm not taking the bet.
> > >
> >
> > It is only honorable, then, that you will post no more Planet X junk
> > in the sci.newsgroups.
> >
> I've never posted any Planet_X junk to begin with. Perhaps you've
> mistaken me for someone else?
Here are a few articles you posted recently...
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=3DA6FC3C.4030803%40please.com
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=3DAB1019.2050500%40please.com
...and you can read some of your followups. No, I'm not mistaking you
for someone else.
You are someone who has *started* ZetaThreads in sci.astro, posting a
monkeys-with-a-dartboard description of Zeta biology, referencing UFO
conspiracy web sites, COINTELPRO, etc.; building flimsy cases for
government spying out of a few IP addresses in web server logs. You
may not actually believe in Nancy's predictions, after all. But at
the least you have ridden her coat-tails, and wasted a lot of
sci.astro's bandwidth.
Here's hoping we'll have no more of that.