[Text Editors] Comparison
REMbr...@inu.net
Sorry about the large message. Please snip with vigor in replies to
this message.
I'm about to begin to try to attempt to list the better known text
editors and contrast the features, limitation, registry entries, file
sizes, etc. It's a large project. I can use any input that you might
have. I'm sure there are more quality freeware editors out there.
Remove the three caps to email me, or post in a new message and I will
add it to the list.
The first part was _greatly_ simplified by Susan. She archived
messages with links to enough programs to get started with. Thanks a
billion million Susan!
As to whether this is linked to Pricelessware or not, it really does
not matter to me one way or the other. I'll run it on my site. If it
turns out as I hope it will it might be a good asset to anyone looking
for an editor. Whether PL has a link is to be decided by you all.
I've almost finished downloading the programs that Susan had noted in
archive. I'm going to start installing and noting registry entries and
shared files each program has. I'm going to create several static text
files of varying sizes and test the limits and speed of each.
It's going to be tough to place some of these into a category. Some
programmers editors work great for normal text processing. Some were
built as hybrids. For now, I placed programs that state they are code
editors into the programmer editor listing. The hybrids I left as
normal editors.
Feel free to mirror if you have the time, especially on different
platforms. Most of these are ported to more than one platform.
If you know of a good editor that is not listed here I prefer to
continue with the ones people have used and recommend before hitting
google to find more.
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AbiWord: 3919k
the 2001 threads rated this one as too "beta." It has been developed
since and is currently at version 1.06. It is a cross platform open
source project.
http://www.abisource.com/products.phtml
Atlantis Nova: 761k
This one was suggested as a contender in 2001. There is a shareware
version with more features, but this one sounds like it is worthy of
consideration for the 2004 list.
http://www.rssol.com/en/html/download/nova.htm
Crypt Edit: ~2000k + additional modules
This has been my default editor since I discovered it. It requires
modules for spell checking, hex, human languages, etc.
http://ps.yaroslavl.ru/
CWordPad: 845k
This one has been discontinued, but can still be downloaded below.
It's an older Win 95 Wordpad replacement. It might be useful in older
systems.
http://users.erols.com/fwcetus/cwordpad.htm
Delphad: 1004k
The discussion was the ability to view graphics, html and other files.
There was no ability to edit these in the recent, 2003 thread.
http://www.hushpage.com/Delphad/delphad.html
Editor2: 55k!
"Editor² v2.0.0.5 is fantastic. It has a lot of functionality
(including clickability to launch URLs) and is extremely, extremely
small and doesn't install. Absolutely an almost perfect, FOR ME,
freeware notepad alternative." I recall some confusion about this one
and another program with a similar name."
http://www.simtel.net/product.php?id=67247
EditPad Lite: 973k (linux version available) [Postcardware]
Handles large text files, lacking in features.
http://www.editpadlite.com/editpadlite.html
EditPad Regular: 309k (year 2000 version) [Postcardware]
An older version of the above it appears.
http://tucows.kr.psi.net/files/EditPadClassic.zip
GNU emacs:
"Emacs is the extensible, customizable, self-documenting real-time
display editor.
If this seems to be a bit of a mouthful, an easier explanation is
Emacs is a text editor and more."
http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/emacs.html
EmEditor: 1.27 - went shareware v3.36. I'll look into finding and
archiving the last freeware version if the licence permits
redistribution.
Emojic: v1.4 - 1230k
"A text editor which allows you count characters, words and lines in a
document. Now it even counts the characters in each line and sorts
lines alphebeticaly. Suggested use: Useful for writers and editors."
eWriter: 703k
"32-bit 21st century eTypewriter (for the writer, not the clerk
typist) for use in Windows 95+ and Windows NT."
http://home.earthlink.net/~acorioso/ew_main.htm
gbText: v4.5 - 314k
"gbText provides over 25 methods for quickly making changes to the
content of a text file. Special features include hex viewing of a
file, random data generation, analysis of the word and character
content of a file, and word wrapping to user-defined widths."
http://www.garybeene.com/free/
Jarte: v2.0 - 1693k (with British and American dictionaries)
2001 comment: "It sill seems more limited than Crypt Edit, which I
have replaced Notepad with. Crypt Edit has the eidtor functions, and,
IMHO, much more WP functionality than Jarte, going by the features
list at jarte.com"
http://www.jarte.com/
LCARS Editor (Star Trek):
seems to have been removed from the author's site.
MetaPad: v3.5 -
LE - 45k
FULL - 45.7k (I dunno yet)
"Q: What is the difference between Full version and LE?
A: Technically, the full version utilizes a RichEdit control whereas
LE (Light Edition) uses the older but speedier Edit control (as does
metapad 1.x). LE is somewhat quicker under NT when loading large files
but it does not have the following features: no file size limit on
Win9X, multiple undo/redo, show hyperlinks option, drag & drop text,
editinginsert/overwrite mode. It's up to you to decide which one you
like better!
http://www.liquidninja.com/metapad/
Nerdpad: v1.0 - 30k
2001 comment: "Description:
Nerdpad allows you to open and edit program files with WordPad, a text
editor for Windows. Discover easter eggs, game cheats, or view all
program text. Use it to find out what an unknown installer program
will install if you run it."
http://www.zdnetindia.com/downloads/info/877091.html (sounds
interesting..)
NoteKeeper: v0.4 - 1090k
"NoteKeeper is a multi-functional hierarchical information manager.
Many notes and images can be stored within a single NoteKeeper file
and can be grouped into flexible virtual folders enabling easy,
intuitive access at all times. Think of it as an electronic scrapbook
- one which includes compression, encryption, text editing, and simple
organisation. Some suggested uses are: homework/coursework organiser,
journal/diary, digital photo album.Strong encryption is now included
to keep your data away from prying eyes."
All links I've tried so far at to the author's site and it is down,
temporarily I think.
Notemaid: 52k
"Description: NoteMaid gives you the ability to edit Text and Binary
files. It comes with a file wiper (secure deleting) and Join/Split
utility for quick file splicing. Append another text document to the
current document's cursor point instantly. Also features html tags
removal and other tools. It can also download Text and Binary files
off the Internet in http, ftp, or gopher protocol."
2001 comment: "Notemaid : quick, small, large files, does
HTML-stripping, frees up memory, font choices, no ESC-key exit"
http://www.freewareweb.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?ID=648
NotesPad: 97k
"NotesPad is a sensational Windows NotePad replacement ... amazing! It
offers so many options it's like getting behind the steering wheel of
a foreign car it does so much you almost don't know where to start."
http://www.newbie.net/NotesPad/
NoteTab Light: 1796k
"NoteTab Light: a free Notepad replacement, feature-rich text editor,
and HTML editor"
http://www.notetab.com/ntl.php
PFE: v1.01 - 607k
"The final release of PFE is version 1.01, which is available in
versions for Windows 9x, Windows NT, Windows 2000 and Windows 3.1x.
It's available from a number of major archive sites."
http://www.lancs.ac.uk/people/cpaap/pfe/
Prolix: V3.2 - 507k
"Prolix is a Windows text editor which features a clean, intuitive
interface. It is an MDI (multiple document interface) style
application, so it can open many files at once."
http://www.kobayashi.com/prolix.html
RoughDraft: v2.11 - 1812k
"RoughDraft is a donationware word processor designed with the writer
in mind. For a more complete description, read the Overview "
No link found yet.
Scite: v1.54 - 920k
"SciTE is a SCIntilla based Text Editor. Originally built to
demonstrate Scintilla, it has grown to be a generally useful editor
with facilities for building and running programs. It is best used for
jobs with simple configurations - I use it for building test and
demonstration programs as well as SciTE and Scintilla, themselves."
http://www.scintilla.org/SciTE.html
Shalom Txt: v1.2 - 405k
Shalom Txt is a text editor, meant for editing flat text files with no
formatting. It should be able to run on Windows 9x/ME/NT4 and Windows
2000.
I've tried to make a straightforward editor with all the standard
functions including printing, print preview, popup menu, toolbar, find
and replace, recent files list etc. And then added some extras.
(416 kb; install program that doesn't copy anything to the system
folders;
uninstall program and detailed help file included)."
http://www.danish-shareware.dk/soft/stxt/
Stratuspad: 1000k
"STRATUSPAD is a text editor and a replacement for WordPad and
Notepad. It allows multiple large files to be opened. It is highly
customizable and includes a spell checker, word count, case
conversion, load workspace, column and line indicators and much more.
Last Freeware version - Home Page features Shareware version.
Download: Version 1.0.1
[ftp://ftp.meiji.ac.jp/mirror/win3/util/stratpad.zip] (1 MB)"
Syn: v2.5.0.24 - 1631k
"syn is an Open Source Text- and Programming Editor with
Syntaxhighlight for many Languages, and some IDE Features, like
starting a program (e.g. Compiler) and capture the output, support for
Projects etc." "Syn is the most downloaded Freeware Text Editor in
2002 on WebAttack"
http://syn.sourceforge.net/
TextMorph: v1.0 beta - 1920k
"TextMorph, is called such because that is essentially what it does -
it morphs text. It is a full text editor (like Notepad) except it also
does so much more. It can do such things as quickly cleaning up
forwarded emails (removing all those ">" signs and so forth),
converting text to and from HTML, searching and replacing text
(including multiple paragraphs of text), changing upper/lower case,
removing trailing carriage returns, and so forth, all with the push of
a button. What's more is it can also repetitively do these tasks
across large numbers of files (using TextMorph's Multiple File Morph
wizard). For instance, if you have 500 text files, you can in less
than a minute, convert all 500 of them to HTML files complete with all
of the formatting that you wish in the files (such as background
image, etc.) This makes TextMorph an ideal program for people who work
with large numbers of text files or archives of HTML or text content,
as it can quickly and easily apply formatting to all files."
http://www.laughandlift.com/programs/index.html
TextShield:
"TextShield is a free, compact word processor with a wealth of
features. Besides those features available with most ordinary word
processors, TextShield has many advanced (but easy-to-use) features.
TextShield can compress files automatically using the popular ZIP
compression, making them as much AS 95% smaller. TextShield saves
files in the universal RTF format, or in plain text. TextShield is
both a word processor and a plain text editor. For maximum
interchangeability, TextShield has a build-in HTML converter and can
save files as Microsoft Word, and other formats, using Microsoft
converters. TextShield supports advanced formatting features, like
hyperlinks, underlining styles, Rainbow Colors and even 3D Text.
TextShield is compact and can easily fit a single 1.44Mb floppy disk
(try installing Word on a floppy...). Finally all these features would
be worthless without a good help system; So TextShield has a 6000 word
help file explaining everything that could be difficult for the
beginning user."
No working link found yet.
The Gun: v2.5 15k!
"Number One Son has just come back from the gym a bit skinnier and a
bit smarter. He now weighs in at 6144 bytes and has had a lot of help
from his friends to parse command lines more consistently across
different versions of Windows..The technique for loading and saving
files has been changed to increase the effective file size limit and
to display binary in normal ascii format. TheGun now has a settings
editor SETGUN.EXE that allows some of the settings in TheGun to be
changed. It does not require the settings editor to be present to
operate correctly.
TheGun is written in 32 bit Microsoft Assembler (MASM) and is a
genuine Portable Executable format file. It does not need any Visual
C++ or Visual Basic runtime DLLs and does not use or write to the
Registry at all. It is fully drag & drop enabled, supports wordwrap
and uses the full operating system based search capacity with case
"sensitive", "insensitive" and "whole word" search.
There is no limit set within TheGun any longer for the maximum file
size, it will be limited by the amount of available memory and the
final loading speed. It has been speed optimised in both file load and
file save.
It uses the operating system capacity for printing which is in turn,
farmed out to Wordpad.Exe. It prints with the margin settings in
WordPad.Exe. It will exit by pressing the ESC key and it starts at a
preset 75% of the screen width & height. It supports right click mouse
for the menu."
http://www.movsd.com/thegun.htm
Quick Editor v3.0f - 139k (from The Gun site)
"From its inception, Quick Editor was designed to be a gimmick free
working tool. It has never been for sale and it cannot be sold or
licenced for any commercial application. Version three is a complete
rewrite to add additional capacity while remaining true to its
original concept, a minimum memory footprint editor that will run
correctly on older machines that do not have a lot of memory or fancy
graphics cards. It will run on Windows versions from Win95b upwards.
The current version builds at 35k in size and for this increase in
size, it has a scripting engine of its own, it has full true type
support for both display and printing, it is fully drag and drop
enabled between instances, can now open text files in excess of 10
megabytes in size, it will both open and save binary files in HEX
notation, it can close and save all instances from any single
instance, it has additional functionality in both search and replace
and is progressively configurable with the add in DLLs that are
supplied with it."
http://www.movsd.com/qed.htm
Win32Pad: v1.3.3 69k (or 30k .zip)
"Filesize is limited to the available memory. (not 64k) Small filesize
with a ton of features. Auto-Indent. Full Intellimouse support. Can
read/write Unix text files. Customizable: Font
Color/Name/Size/Style/Script and Tab Size. Remembers recently opened
files."
http://www.gena01.com
TxtEdit
"TxtEdit is useable as Freeware or Shareware: For the first 30 days,
it will run in shareware mode (trial period). Afterwards, you may
continue using it free of charge and unlimited in FREEWARE mode (some
functions are now disabled). To get back the full functionality,
register TxtEdit by sending us US$ 20.--. You will then get your
personal RegNo!" I imagine this one won't make the cut, but I'm going
to check it out anyway. Strange license.
http://www.luziusschneider.com/Engindex.html
vim: v6.2 - 4040k
"Vim is a highly configurable text editor built to enable efficient
text editing. It is an improved version of the vi editor distributed
with most UNIX systems. Vim is distributed free as charityware. If you
find Vim a useful addition to your life please consider helping needy
children in Uganda." "[2003-06-01] A complete new release of Vim is
waiting to be downloaded! This is mostly a bugfix release, only a few
new features are available: Arabic support, exception handling, GTK 2
support, PostScript printing for 8-bit encodings and a number of
smaller things. Several hundreds of bugs have been fixed. For the full
list of changes do ":help version-6.2" in the new Vim. (Bram
Moolenaar)"
http://www.vim.org/
Winsyntax v2.0 - 453k
"Arisesoft Winsyntax - is a small PHP-code editor with a fast parser
engine and context PHP-help for comfortable coding. Now it supports
parsing for syntax: PHP, HTML, CSS, JavaScript, SQL'92 and extensions
for MySQL and PostgreSQL. Opportunities for customizing of
highlighting and the addition of new languages with highlighting of
syntax for several script languages in one document. Supporting of the
line kinds for PC/UNIX and encoding between ANSI-UTF8-KOI8. The search
and replacing of the text in external files with different encoding.
Build-in File Manager. History of last ten open documents. Alerts for
external change of open documents. Context help for any PHP keyword,
when clicked (F1) on cursor position. The code explorer for
PHP-scripts - tree of the classes with variables and functions.
Selection of the text by columns-lines-symbols. Multiple history of
'Undo-Redo' for the edited documents. Moving the cursor with ignoring
of the line carry - for all width of line. Autoindent of the input
line by start position of the previous line."
http://www.winsyntax.com/
Word Tabs v3.29 - 1529k
"WordTabs is a free word processor that's both a standard text editor
(like Notepad) and a rich text (RTF) editor (like WordPad).
WordTabs uses the latest RTF technology so you can have access to OLE
objects, Internet URLs, multiple undo/redo, and advanced
line/character formatting. Other features include spell checking,
drag-and-drop text editing, word count, case conversion,
find-and-replace, a multi-clipboard text editor, and complete glossary
function."
http://www.aaafreebies.com/programs/wordtabs.htm
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Programming Editors: Many of these can be used as a normal text editor
as well.
CodePad: (dual pane)
Code and hex editor. This one was mentioned for its ability to open a
document in two vertical panes and scroll.
http://shicola.d2.cz/codepad/
ConText:
This looks to be a super editor. The author has written syntax
highlighting for pretty much any language you might use, cobol, c++,
css, html, etc. There are modules for 17 (human) languages also.
http://www.fixedsys.com/context/
Crimson Editor: v3.51 (June 11,2003)
This is another that has styntax highlighting for programmers, or
html. It has a spell checker. This one has serious limitations: lines
> 4096 characters and files with > 65536 lines lead to reboot :<(
according to the author. He doesn't say which version. I'm going to
check it out.
http://www.crimsoneditor.com/
Jext: ~20 megs
"Jext is a free (as in free beer, covered by the GPL licence) source
code editor written in Java. You can download it, use it, modify it,
redistribute it... your choice, your freedom." Many platforms: I'm
getting the Win32: "This release is targeted for Windows users who do
not own a JVM. A Java Virtual Machine is bundled in this
distribution." Correction, I'm waiting on this one, 20 megs is too
large.
http://www.jext.org/
Side by Side: 685k
"Side-by-Side does what its name implies -- it puts two texts
side-by-side so that you can compare."
http://www.slimeworld.org/galwebde/sideby/index.html
Hex Editors: (Will be last)
A.X.E. - (standing for Advanced Hex Editor)
Frhed: v1.0.156 - 307k
Hex editor, includes C++ source code. Many versions, including .ini
versions with no registry entries.
http://www.kibria.de/ (outstanding page design for anyone who enjoys
a beautiful site)
Hexview: 210k
"HexView is a multiple document Hexadecimal viewer with drag n drop
functionality that can display, print, and print preview any file as a
hex dump. HexView was created as a supplement to our utility, Search
and Replace <search_replace.htm>. However, it is a standalone
application and it does not require Search and Replace. A Japanese
version is also available. Source code for MFC 5.0+ is available also.
http://www.funduc.com/otsoft.htm#hexview
Jedit:
"jEdit is a mature and well-designed programmer's text editor that has
been in development for over 5 years.
While jEdit beats many expensive development tools for features and
ease of use, it is released as free software with full source code,
provided under the terms of the GNU General Public License
<http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html>."
Many plugins, possible good for basic text editing.
http://www.jedit.org/
Special Use:
Bifocal Notepad:
"Bifocal Notepad is a simplified Notepad replacement intended for use
by the visually impaired, or by anyone who is tired of squinting at
tiny text files in the regular Windows Notepad."
Desktop Writer: 1900k v2.2
"Desktop Writer is a powerful word processor designed to be used by
children and people who are not very competent with word processors."
Seems abandoned, I can't find the author's site presently. "While
there are no menus, all buttons are designed to look attractive and
colorful so that a child can easily understand their function and how
to use them."
http://www.softlookup.com/download/down15692.html
Multi-program:
NotesBrowser: 2390k
"Notesbrowser is a professional organizer. You can store notes and
schedule dates in one integrated, easy to use interface. It is a
planning
tool and is suitable for both business and personal application.
This utility is very user-friendly and customisable. It can store your
to-do-lists, your appointments, your bookmarks and project files and
even your MP3 play lists.
An integrated search function allows you to quickly locate entries.
A number of attractive skins <./skins/skins.html> are also available
to modify
the design of the interface to one of your preference.
Because of its unique design, you can store an almost unlimited
amount of information in Notesbrowser and, what is more,
you can access any stored information with just a couple of
mouse clicks. No wonder Notesbrowser has won many awards
<./awards/awards.html>!
All in all, Notesbrowser offers you a very easy-to-use system
for entering and managing your appointments, your addresses,
your notes, etc. all in one place."
http://www.notesbrowser.com/
Stats:
TEXT ANALYSER? Text Information: v1.2 - 30k
This seems to be a program that gives many stats about a text file.
http://www.qjc.cjb.net/ti.html
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My Qualifications?
I am currently Microsoft Certified as 9th place from the people who
post in alt.comp.freeware... as to regularity. I am currently on a
high bran/fiber diet and hope to place within the top 5 soon.
Nanu-nanu.
Susan Bugher
>
> I'm about to begin to try to attempt to list the better known text
> editors and contrast the features, limitation, registry entries, file
> sizes, etc. It's a large project. I can use any input that you might
> have. I'm sure there are more quality freeware editors out there.
> Remove the three caps to email me, or post in a new message and I will
> add it to the list.
>
> The first part was _greatly_ simplified by Susan. She archived
> messages with links to enough programs to get started with. Thanks a
> billion million Susan!
YW - and you have been *very* busy since!
> As to whether this is linked to Pricelessware or not, it really does
> not matter to me one way or the other. I'll run it on my site. If it
> turns out as I hope it will it might be a good asset to anyone looking
> for an editor. Whether PL has a link is to be decided by you all.
I already know how I'm going to cast *my* vote. ;)
> I've almost finished downloading the programs that Susan had noted in
> archive. I'm going to start installing and noting registry entries and
> shared files each program has. I'm going to create several static text
> files of varying sizes and test the limits and speed of each.
>
> It's going to be tough to place some of these into a category. Some
> programmers editors work great for normal text processing. Some were
> built as hybrids. For now, I placed programs that state they are code
> editors into the programmer editor listing. The hybrids I left as
> normal editors.
>
> Feel free to mirror if you have the time, especially on different
> platforms. Most of these are ported to more than one platform.
>
> If you know of a good editor that is not listed here I prefer to
> continue with the ones people have used and recommend before hitting
> google to find more.
<ENORMOUS SNIP>
IMO this could be a wonderful resource for alt.comp.freeware
participants - I hope everyone will post comments and information about
their favorite editors ASAP.
Susan
Ceejay
>
> Sorry about the large message. Please snip with vigor in replies to
> this message.
>
> I'm about to begin to try to attempt to list the better known text
> editors and contrast the features, limitation, registry entries, file
> sizes, etc. It's a large project. I can use any input that you might
> have. I'm sure there are more quality freeware editors out there.
> Remove the three caps to email me, or post in a new message and I will
> add it to the list.
I don't often see mention of this little gem, it is one of my favorites that
I used to replace CryptEdit: AEdit
(http://web.tiscali.it/no-redirect-tiscali/axart/english.html#aedit)...it
seems a little faster, has spell checking, and the usual .rtf features. I
prefer the 5.0 Beta over the 4.0 version because it adds a frequently
accessed document tab on the left side of the window and so far the Beta
has been stable for me. The basic editor installs without any registry
changes ala "Green Award" at TinyApps.Org (http://www.tinyapps.org/) but
you need to also download the spell checking and printing modules if these
are important to you.I use it in conjuction with another program called:
Envelope Wizard(http://www.all4you.dk/FreewareWorld/links.php?id=12314) for
printing envelopes, and seldom have to use one of the larger Office
Suites...sweet. Only one disturbing thing; the group that developed AEdit
appears to have disbanded so it may disappear soon as well. Get it while
you can.
Regards,
Ceejay
j.m.
> If you know of a good editor that is not listed here I prefer to
> continue with the ones people have used and recommend before hitting
> google to find more.
I haven't seen it mentioned much, but PSPad is an excellent editor
(particularly for programmers) with a boat-load of features and no bloat to
speak of.
If you're looking for a "power" editor that doesn't dim the lights when you
run it I'd *highly* reccomend checking it out:
Alexei and Cory Panshin
> "RoughDraft is a donationware word processor designed with the writer
> in mind. For a more complete description, read the Overview "
> No link found yet.
http://www.rsalsbury.co.uk/rd.htm
> TextShield:
> "TextShield is a free, compact word processor with a wealth of
> features. Besides those features available with most ordinary word
> processors, TextShield has many advanced (but easy-to-use) features.
> TextShield can compress files automatically using the popular ZIP
> compression, making them as much AS 95% smaller. TextShield saves
> files in the universal RTF format, or in plain text. TextShield is
> both a word processor and a plain text editor. For maximum
> interchangeability, TextShield has a build-in HTML converter and can
> save files as Microsoft Word, and other formats, using Microsoft
> converters. TextShield supports advanced formatting features, like
> hyperlinks, underlining styles, Rainbow Colors and even 3D Text.
> TextShield is compact and can easily fit a single 1.44Mb floppy disk
> (try installing Word on a floppy...). Finally all these features would
> be worthless without a good help system; So TextShield has a 6000 word
> help file explaining everything that could be difficult for the
> beginning user."
> No working link found yet.
Development seems to have been suspended, but you can apparently still
get it through Simtel. Here's one site with a link:
http://www.softpile.com/Business/Text_Utilities/Review_08464_index.html
Cory Panshin
mike555
>
> RoughDraft: v2.11 - 1812k
> "RoughDraft is a donationware word processor designed with the writer
> in mind. For a more complete description, read the Overview "
> No link found yet.
>
http://www.rsalsbury.co.uk/rd.htm is the link for RoughDraft ,
I use this one , it's great for rich text writing , it lets you put
in
special characters easier than most any others , has all the basic
features , like clickable url's , a good print preview ,has spell
check and uses wordweb thesaurus/ dictionary , the only down side is
that it doesn't allow pictures to be inserted , and doesn't have some
of the big word processer features , headers,etc ...... but I would
recommend it for every day writing
........ Mike555
REMbr...@inu.net
> Ceejay <pin...@operamails.com> wrote:
>I don't often see mention of this little gem, it is one of my favorites that
>I used to replace CryptEdit: AEdit
>(http://web.tiscali.it/no-redirect-tiscali/axart/english.html#aedit)...it
>seems a little faster, has spell checking, and the usual .rtf features. I
>prefer the 5.0 Beta over the 4.0 version because it adds a frequently
>accessed document tab on the left side of the window and so far the Beta
>has been stable for me. The basic editor installs without any registry
>changes ala "Green Award" at TinyApps.Org (http://www.tinyapps.org/) but
>you need to also download the spell checking and printing modules if these
>are important to you.I use it in conjuction with another program called:
>Envelope Wizard(http://www.all4you.dk/FreewareWorld/links.php?id=12314) for
>printing envelopes, and seldom have to use one of the larger Office
>Suites...sweet. Only one disturbing thing; the group that developed AEdit
>appears to have disbanded so it may disappear soon as well. Get it while
>you can.
Thanks for the information. It looks like a nice program and "green"
is always good!
From the site:
"AxArt.com closes
Today (February 15 2003) our small team is officially disbanded. All
activities are suspended until further advice.
Disaffection started some months ago: nobody like to work almost for
free... forever. I can blame nobody: as it is, AxArt.com does not
work. I must admit it. And I too, I give up now. It is fool to insist
in this direction. I invested all myself here, like a love, but I also
can no longer sacrifice social relations, sleep and health for about
nothing.
I'd like to thank everyone who supported AxArt.com and especially the
old team, beta testers, and registered users."
They appear to be very dedicated in previous efforts. I'll give a go
at the beta and the sx versions:
AEdit 5.0 (beta 1) - 369k
AEdit SX (v4.0-SX r3) - (1,37Mb - freeware) ultra-fast version, with
Spell Checker (+ english dictionary) and Print Preview/Setup
http://web.tiscali.it/no-redirect-tiscali/axart/english.html#aedit
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> Alexei and Cory Panshin <to...@enter.net> wrote:
>> RoughDraft: v2.11 - 1812k
>> "RoughDraft is a donationware word processor designed with the writer
>> in mind. For a more complete description, read the Overview "
>> No link found yet.
>http://www.rsalsbury.co.uk/rd.htm
I haven't seen many editors geared specifically for authors so far.
Thanks for the link.
>> TextShield:
>Development seems to have been suspended, but you can apparently still
>get it through Simtel. Here's one site with a link:
>http://www.softpile.com/Business/Text_Utilities/Review_08464_index.html
And thanks for this link also Cory!
REMbr...@inu.net
> "j.m." <joe_m...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Haha, that's precisely what I'm hoping to find. Thanks very much for
the information.
>http://www.pspad.com/index_en.html
PSPad 4.2.5 (1806) - 24.07.2003: programmers editor
"work with projects
unlimited length of edited text files
work on several documents at the same time (MDI)
Save desktop session to later reopen all open files
FTP client - you can edit files directly from web
macro recorder to record, save and load macros
search and replace in files
text difference with color-coded differences highlighted
templates (HTML tags, scripts, code templates...)
installation contains templates for HTML, PHP, Pascal, JScript,
VBScript, MySQL, MS-Dos, Perl,...
syntax highlighting auto set by file type
user defined highlighters for exotic environments
auto correction
full HEX editor
call external programs, different for each environment
external compiler with catch command output, log window, log parser
for each environment for "IDE" effect
color syntax highlight printing and print preview
integrated TiDy library for formatting and checking HTML code,
conversion to CSS, XML, XHTML
integrated free version of top CSS editor TopStyle Lite
export with highlight to RTF, HTML, TeX format into file or clipboard
column block select, bookmarks, line numbers, ...
reformat and compress HTML code, tags char case change
line sorting with ability to sort on defined column, with option to
drop duplicates
ASCII chart with HTML entities
Code explorer for Pascal, INI, HTML, XML, PHP and more in future
spell checker
internal web browser with APACHE support
matching bracket highlighting"
What a feature list. FTP and web browser, unlimited file sizes, call
extrenal programs, column block select, spell checker... very nice!
REMbr...@inu.net
> gonsu...@mailexpire.com (mike555) wrote:
>> RoughDraft: v2.11 - 1812k
>> "RoughDraft is a donationware word processor designed with the writer
>> in mind. For a more complete description, read the Overview "
>> No link found yet.
> http://www.rsalsbury.co.uk/rd.htm is the link for RoughDraft ,
> I use this one , it's great for rich text writing , it lets you put
>in special characters easier than most any others , has all the basic
>features , like clickable url's , a good print preview ,has spell
>check and uses wordweb thesaurus/ dictionary , the only down side is
>that it doesn't allow pictures to be inserted , and doesn't have some
>of the big word processer features , headers,etc ...... but I would
>recommend it for every day writing
>........ Mike555
Thanks. Do you know of any others that might be especially good for
authors or writers of large documents?
I used to try to write. I think Stephen King's 'The Stand" got me
interested. I'm no good of course, but I gave it a shot at Sci-Fi.
Anyway, I found writing in word processors clumsy. I ended up using NE
(Never Edlin) for DOS. It had wordwrap and a spell checker and copy
and paste. I was more comfortable using that than anything else I
tried.
REMbr...@inu.net
I've looked at the features offered by each of the editors that I have
downloaded so far and I'm unsure of the best way to arrange the
information.
It looks like a web page display of all features is going to be
approximately 12 feet wide :<(
There are the main features, such as word wrap, rich text, Word.doc,
etc. and then there are a huge number of features that only a few
programs might have, like builtin zip compression, FTP and/or web
browser, column block selection, etc.
The languages of the program interface and spell checking modules seem
to merit mention.
I'm downloading the relational database that RL posted earlier this
week.
http://www.geocities.com/plworx/ 801k
That will serve as a place to input the data. I think 50 fields will
be plenty enough. This might be a good way to present the features as
well. The user will have to install the DB and download the file, but
the ability to sort based upon whichever features are the most
important is pretty nifty. A couple of clicks and the programs will be
arranged in the order selected by the user.
The program will also create web pages and I have Excel too. I'm still
not sure how to make an attractive page that will not require extreme
side scrollng. If anyone has any ideas I'd like to hear them.
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> jOHn <dgjdgjd...@hotmal.com> wrote:
>REMbr...@inu.net on Sat, 16 Aug 2003:
>> I'm about to begin to try to attempt to list the better known text
>> editors and contrast the features, limitation, registry entries, file
>> sizes, etc.
>In rhe category Metapad/Editpad etc.:
>TED Notepad
>From the site:
>"TED Notepad was designed to completely replace Windows Notepad.
>Besides that, it has a variety of text tools, functions, features and
>hotkeys, optimized to the highest performance; while keeping the
>intuitive conservative user interface. In this small application you
>can find a lot of unix-like text functions and tools; hotkeys; a lot
>of settings; clipboards; ... . Process your text in one small and
>quick application instead of using a variety of programs and systems
>as you (maybe) used before.
> The application was developed at the Labs of Faculty of
>Mathematics and Physics of the Charles University in Prague; written
>in pure ANSI C language (no MFC, no C++, no Borland), using the system
>API functions, compiled with Microsoft Visual Studio 6.0. TED was
>developed to be the most stable and fastest possible program. It's
>without wizards and objects".
>No fancy stuff just a good, stable and fast Notepad replacement imho.
Thanks jOHn. I have all 63k of it!
Susan Bugher
>
> It looks like a web page display of all features is going to be
> approximately 12 feet wide :<(
Could be a new world record - go for it. ;)
> The program will also create web pages and I have Excel too. I'm still
> not sure how to make an attractive page that will not require extreme
> side scrollng. If anyone has any ideas I'd like to hear them.
Very much off the top of my head - Consumer Reports often tabulates data
with the *main* features in columns and *special* features in footnotes.
They sometimes use a comments column as a key (a, b, c) to the
footnotes:
a) has ability to ______
b) uses _____
c) etc. etc.
Susan
Jörg Schneider
> If you know of a good editor that is not listed here I prefer to
> continue with the ones people have used and recommend before hitting
> google to find more.
... but you should at least add AnyEdit:
- Open Source
- under active development
- very nice and modern gui
- syntax highlighting
- workspace - projects
- plugin support
- code completion (!)
- auto completion
- project and document templates
- column selection
... and plenty of other features
I switched from ConTEXT to AnyEdit, mainly because it looks like ConTEXT
isn't under development anymore, and has a very annoying bug (file
deletion --> see ConTEXT forums).
http://www.anyedit.org/ (homepage) or
http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/anyedit/ (project page with sources)
REMbr...@inu.net
> Susan Bugher <whoise...@kvi.net> wrote:
>Very much off the top of my head - Consumer Reports often tabulates data
>with the *main* features in columns and *special* features in footnotes.
>They sometimes use a comments column as a key (a, b, c) to the
>footnotes:
>a) has ability to ______
>b) uses _____
>c) etc. etc.
That will work. Thanks!
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> Jörg Schneider <ng200503....@spamgourmet.com> wrote:
>REMbr...@inu.net wrote:
Thanks very much. It looks very nice, is open source and I have never
even heard of it. I am downloading it now.
BillR
> I've looked at the features offered by each of the editors that I have
> downloaded so far and I'm unsure of the best way to arrange the
> information.
>
> It looks like a web page display of all features is going to be
> approximately 12 feet wide :<(
>
Selectivity
Rather than attempting to analyze a vast number of products right
away, please consider choosing eight to twelve of the most popular,
most nominated, most highly rated in other reviews, or your personal
favorite, products to compare (beginning with the PL of course <g>).
Use these to develop the core set of features to be evaluated, the
level of detail, the specific content, and general approach.
Storage
"I'm downloading the relational database ... plworx. .... I think 50
fields will be plenty enough. "
Eventually a RDBMS would be a great place for the data to reside. I'm
not familiar with plworx -- most of my RDBMS experience has been with
ORACLE (with a year of very early SYBASE and a sprinkle of MS ACCESS)
and non-relation DBMSs -- but I would suggest sticking with EXCEL
until you have thoroughly analyzed the features of a number of
products. My personal experience as well as observation of others
suggests that initial exploratory work is best done in a very flexible
tool. You are going through an evolutionary process to determine the
data. You will change your mind several times before you settle on
the categories (fields/columns/data items) and how to populate them.
Most of the data can be stored in a very simple relational structure
that is very clean and flexible, but that structure not directly
supported by most display tools. I'll be glad to talk with you in
another forum (for the benefit of some: e.g., email or messaging;
i.e., not in the ng; and yes, I do know several definitions of
"forum") about the best relational structure for the project given the
tool you select -- if you would like. (I don't know what kinds of
applications you have worked on, so please don't read any
condescension into my comments. For all I know, you too have spent
most of your professional life building db applications and half of it
specializing in data analysis/admin and db design; or maybe you are a
spreadsheet maven -- which I am not.)
To preempt the flaming: branded mentioned EXCEL as a place for start
-- not finish; of course a freeware spreadsheet "should" be used, but
if branded is doing the work, has it, and is comfortable, then just
can it. Basic spreadsheets are easily exchanged between packages.
The rest of ACF won't be affected. Not even if someone jumps in to
help analyze editors. (Hmm, canned flames. A new energy source for
the world? Naw, too polluting.)
Display
I would envision an "ideal" interface as a matrix with categories and
subcategories that would be be "12 feet wide" when fully expanded --
and probably just as tall given the number of suggestions. The user
would first see a one page "summary" and then have the opportunity to
limit the products and drill down within one or more categories. The
matrix would be easily "folded" to hide categories, reordered by sort
or drag, filterable, etc.
As a practical matter, the PL site might provide only the summary and
drill down within an individual category, but make the data available
for further manipulation. Someone who has done a lot of site
development may even have scripts already available that need little
more than file name changes to generate these pages on the fly.
I have used or helped develop some very flexible yet reasonably easy
to use displays of matrix information, but not with freeware.
Freeware capabilities abound, though, such as text table to HTML table
generators.
BillR
BillR
> Sorry about the large message. Please snip with vigor in replies to
> this message.
>
> I'm about to begin to try to attempt to list the better known text
> editors and contrast the features, limitation, registry entries, file
> sizes, etc. It's a large project. I can use any input that you might
> have. I'm sure there are more quality freeware editors out there.
>
> If you know of a good editor that is not listed here I prefer to
> continue with the ones people have used and recommend before hitting
> google to find more.
> =====================================================
Quite an undertaking. Quite a list from Susan alone. Please exercise
editorial control to selectively reduce the list based on category,
popularity, recommendations, features, performance, ....
Here are a few editors I've seen praised. My apologies if my quick
text search failed to prevent a duplicate. Most of the list are HTML
editors. Apply the aforementioned editorial control if out of your
intended scope.
I assume you are planning to semi-automate some of the testing. Would
that test bed be of use to anyone else?
My simple suggestion has sparked a far more ambitious undertaking than
I would have had the nerve to suggest to the ng. Thanks for plunging
in.
BillR
AnyEdit Professional 2.0 alpha
www.anyedit.org
Programmer's editor
Hackman Lite
http://www.technologismiki.com/hackman/
Programmer's editor
PS Pad
http://pspad.zde.cz/
Programmer's editor
SourceEdit
www.sourceedit.com
Programmer's editor
WinVI
http://www.winvi.de/en/
Programmer's editor
NotePadXP
www.acsoftware.org
Notepad replacemenct
XVI32
http://www.chmaas.handshake.de/ (Link for item on list)
Hex editor
Rest are HTML editors
---------------------
AceHTML Freeware
www.visicommedia.com
HTML editor
Arachnophilia
www.arachnoid.com/arachnophilia/
HTML editor
Coffee Cup Free HTML
http://www.coffeecup.com/freehtml/
HTML editor
1st Page 2000
www.evrsoft.com
HTML editor
HTML Builder
www.code-builders.com/
HTML editor
HTML-Kit
www.chami.com
HTML editor
TSW WebCoder
http://www.tsware.net/
HTML editor
WebWriter
www.stoneware.dk
HTML editor
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> BillR...@hotmail.com (BillR) wrote:
>REMbr...@inu.net wrote in message news:<3f3f90fb...@news.sfasu.edu>...
>> I've looked at the features offered by each of the editors that I have
>> downloaded so far and I'm unsure of the best way to arrange the
>> information.
>> It looks like a web page display of all features is going to be
>> approximately 12 feet wide :<(
>Selectivity
>Rather than attempting to analyze a vast number of products right
>away, please consider choosing eight to twelve of the most popular,
>most nominated, most highly rated in other reviews, or your personal
>favorite, products to compare (beginning with the PL of course <g>).
>Use these to develop the core set of features to be evaluated, the
>level of detail, the specific content, and general approach.
I had thought of that. Many of the programs that I have downloaded
look really nice. It might be best to select a few and get the format
and procedure down though. Very good idea!
>Storage
>>"I'm downloading the relational database ... plworx. .... I think 50
>>fields will be plenty enough. "
>Eventually a RDBMS would be a great place for the data to reside. I'm
>not familiar with plworx -- most of my RDBMS experience has been with
>ORACLE (with a year of very early SYBASE and a sprinkle of MS ACCESS)
>and non-relation DBMSs -- but I would suggest sticking with EXCEL
>until you have thoroughly analyzed the features of a number of
>products. My personal experience as well as observation of others
>suggests that initial exploratory work is best done in a very flexible
>tool. You are going through an evolutionary process to determine the
>data. You will change your mind several times before you settle on
>the categories (fields/columns/data items) and how to populate them.
Again, very nice ideas!
>Most of the data can be stored in a very simple relational structure
>that is very clean and flexible, but that structure not directly
>supported by most display tools. I'll be glad to talk with you in
>another forum (for the benefit of some: e.g., email or messaging;
>i.e., not in the ng; and yes, I do know several definitions of
>"forum") about the best relational structure for the project given the
>tool you select -- if you would like. (I don't know what kinds of
>applications you have worked on, so please don't read any
>condescension into my comments. For all I know, you too have spent
>most of your professional life building db applications and half of it
>specializing in data analysis/admin and db design; or maybe you are a
>spreadsheet maven -- which I am not.)
No, I'm new to database. I have seen and worked with Access for the
last three weeks. And I began playing around with dBWorx earlier. That
is the extent of my experience. I played with Excel the previous three
weeks and a little with the Open Office version a year or so ago..
I'm not sure this will be of interest to anyone else or not, but
either here or in email is fine with me.
>To preempt the flaming: branded mentioned EXCEL as a place for start
>-- not finish; of course a freeware spreadsheet "should" be used, but
>if branded is doing the work, has it, and is comfortable, then just
>can it. Basic spreadsheets are easily exchanged between packages.
>The rest of ACF won't be affected. Not even if someone jumps in to
>help analyze editors. (Hmm, canned flames. A new energy source for
>the world? Naw, too polluting.)
Open Office is Excel compatible. I just don't have it on my new setup
right now and it's a sizable download at 26,400.
>Display
>I would envision an "ideal" interface as a matrix with categories and
>subcategories that would be be "12 feet wide" when fully expanded --
>and probably just as tall given the number of suggestions. The user
>would first see a one page "summary" and then have the opportunity to
>limit the products and drill down within one or more categories. The
>matrix would be easily "folded" to hide categories, reordered by sort
>or drag, filterable, etc.
Exactly. How to implement is my problem. To show the desired
information without inundating the viewer.
>As a practical matter, the PL site might provide only the summary and
>drill down within an individual category, but make the data available
>for further manipulation. Someone who has done a lot of site
>development may even have scripts already available that need little
>more than file name changes to generate these pages on the fly.
>I have used or helped develop some very flexible yet reasonably easy
>to use displays of matrix information, but not with freeware.
>Freeware capabilities abound, though, such as text table to HTML table
>generators.
Sounds good. If no one expresses interest in this area we can go
email. I appreciate the ideas and help!
CeeGee
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news:3f3faf65...@news.sfasu.edu...
>
> Sorry about the large message. Please snip with vigor in replies to
> this message.
>
> I'm about to begin to try to attempt to list the better known text
> editors and contrast the features, limitation, registry entries, file
> sizes, etc. It's a large project. I can use any input that you might
> have. I'm sure there are more quality freeware editors out there.
> Remove the three caps to email me, or post in a new message and I will
> add it to the list
Perhaps you might like to consider also:
Edxor (33.5Kb)
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~nulifetv/freezip/freeware/edxor.htm
==
EDXOR is a versatile, convenient and optimal text editor and file processor
that far surpasses the capabilities of other Notepad-like applications. It
offers innovative clipboard handling, cryptographic options and logic text
conversions, great for education, fun, or privacy. EDXOR is small,
self-contained, dependency-free and very fast. It provides over 90 menu
items, including many unique functions and options, for diverse
applications. Freeware
AND
NoteXpad (255Kb) http://www.pediy.com/temp/NoteXPad/NoteXPad.htm
Use the link at bottom right of graphic - one up from absolute bottom -
you'll see why.
==
Written entirely in Win32 assembly!
Filesize is limited to the available memory (not 64k).
Automatically detects ANSI(default)/Unicode/Unicode (big endian)/UTF-8
encoded characters and
WIN(default)/UNIX/MAC file formats, when opening files, can convert
between various file formats
and encodings when saving files.
Recent used files list (will handle up to 10 entries).
Customize Tools Menu.
Auto-indent & Tab Size support.
URLs can be highlighted and clickable.
Associate any file extensions with NoteXPad and can intelligently revert to
former association.
Can open any files through integrating NoteXPad into Explorer.
Convert Tabs<-> Spaces.
Convert text case (Upper, Lower, Invert Case).
Copy on Select.
Paste on Copy.
Wrap to Return.
Inform you when current opened file is modifed by another application.
etc. etc.
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> BillR...@hotmail.com (BillR) wrote:
>REMbr...@inu.net wrote in message news:<3f3faf65...@news.sfasu.edu>...
>> =====================================================
><Snip - with vigor>
>Quite an undertaking. Quite a list from Susan alone. Please exercise
>editorial control to selectively reduce the list based on category,
>popularity, recommendations, features, performance, ....
Yes, I was thinking of doing text first. Many programming editors
might be included as hybrids, then straight programming editors, html
and then hex.
>Here are a few editors I've seen praised. My apologies if my quick
>text search failed to prevent a duplicate. Most of the list are HTML
>editors. Apply the aforementioned editorial control if out of your
>intended scope.
>I assume you are planning to semi-automate some of the testing. Would
>that test bed be of use to anyone else?
I'm not sure how to automate. Ideas are most definitely invited.
First, I want to note the number of registry entries and files that
are placed outside the program directory as I install each.
I was thinking of static text files in multiples of 25 megs as a test
on the limitations of working with large files.
Smaller text files for the "notepad" type editors are necessary.
One file with a million characters on a single line to test the
ability to deal with farkled CR/LF. I've seen one program that says it
chokes on line lengths > 4096 characters.
I was thinking of hitting them with a stopwatch at the limits of the
program to see if there are programs with superior I/O routines (and
I'm sure some will) and if the program has a limit other than the
amount of dynamic memory.
Then maybe timing a search and replace close to file limits and then
on a smaller file also. Same for a sort.
I thought that rebooting and retiming the slower programs to make sure
the previous tests did not affect them would be good. If it looks like
it does I'll reboot at every test.
I'll probably make notes, such as a frozen mouse, or how back ground
programs are running, and generally how the machine is functioning as
the editor is performing I/O. It's a new setup. I can tell pretty
quickly when I've run a program that left it in disarray. Hopefully
most of these are well written programs, as most have come as a
recommendation of one sort or another.
>My simple suggestion has sparked a far more ambitious undertaking than
>I would have had the nerve to suggest to the ng. Thanks for plunging
>in.
Everyone needs something to do. I like text processing for some
reason.
Thanks for the list. I have it setup for tomorrows downloading.
If anyone has any early PL nominations for Text Editor I'll begin with
those suggested and you can try the same tests on your own machine.
Simon
a suggestion, if I may...
in order to keep this simple (in line with the 'original' discussions that
this has grown from), why not limit the web version to the common or
'basic' feature sets. This should reduce your tables somewhat (from the
anticipated 12' plus).
A more comprehensive matrix could be available for download, probably in a
CSV/text format (that everyone should be able to open/manipulate with their
current choice of editor)....
This way your spreadsheet can be a work in progress, with updates as and
when you have added new content or changed/improved the format, and it will
simplify the content you have to publish (and your workload)
keep up the good work REMbranded!!!
--
give a man a match and he'll be warm for the night.
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life...
Pat Keenan
was heard to say...
>.........snip..... and it will
>
> keep up the good work REMbranded!!!
>
>
downloaded so far? Do you get the opportunity to leave your chair every
now and then to take in food and water? More important, are you getting
any during all this?
On a serious vein, you are one dedicated individual and I applaud thee!
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John Fitzsimons
< snip >
>There are the main features, such as word wrap, rich text, Word.doc,
>etc. and then there are a huge number of features that only a few
>programs might have, like builtin zip compression, FTP and/or web
>browser, column block selection, etc.
< snip >
Your database idea is good, but as regards....
>I'm still
>not sure how to make an attractive page that will not require extreme
>side scrollng. If anyone has any ideas I'd like to hear them.
No need for scrolling.
Notepad = 1
bpad = 2
cpad = 3
dpad = 4
etc
1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 |
builtin zip compression, x x x
FTP and/or web browser, x x
column block selection, x x
spell checker, x
makes the tea,
etc.
Regards, John.
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< snip >
>I've almost finished downloading the programs that Susan had noted in
>archive.
Someone missed :
Barry's Emacs. I think the home page is/was :
Susan Bugher
>
> a suggestion, if I may...
>
> in order to keep this simple (in line with the 'original' discussions that
> this has grown from), why not limit the web version to the common or
> 'basic' feature sets. This should reduce your tables somewhat (from the
> anticipated 12' plus).
>
Second that thought!
I'm a firm believer in KISS and I've been racking my feeble brain to
come up with a good way to do the page *without* tables. My personal
prejudice is showing - I don't think I've ever seen a feature table of
any size (on a web page) that I liked. :-D
Perhaps: create a table of special feature *names* at the top of the
page. Make the feature *names* unique enough that people can copy the
feature they want, paste it into the find box and navigate down the page
by using the find/find again functions (each program with a special
feature would have the feature *name* as part of the description.
We've been talking about message filters and brackets - IMO brackets
would work well here -> [tabs] [column edit] [etc.]
Perhaps group the programs into several major categories, then
alphabetize within each group.
JMLBI (just my latest bright idea) :)
Susan
W
boldy dove into the melee, yelling something about:
> On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 23:05:42 GMT, REMbr...@inu.net wrote:
>
> < snip >
>
>>I've almost finished downloading the programs that Susan had noted in
>>archive.
>
> Someone missed :
>
> Barry's Emacs. I think the home page is/was :
>
> http://www.barrys-emacs.org/
>
> Regards, John.
>
I get a 404. ?
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REMbr...@inu.net
> Bill V. <8777...@myrealbox.com> wrote:
>I don't think it's a very good program yet, too may limitations
>regarding appearance for instance. I recommend using CSVdb until
>something better comes along:
>http://home.hccnet.nl/s.j.francke/software/software.htm
>It's certainly not perfect either, and not relational, but it's quite
>useful already as it is, and very easy to use. The format is CSV, or
>whatever delimiter you choose, which means you can export data to
>(import into) other database programs. You can export to an HTML
>table, the whole lot or selected columns or rows. There is no way to
>avoid horizontal scrolling in a web page if you choose to have a lot
>of columns though, unless the user has a 2 meter screen.
Thanks. I'll give it a spin too.
>Also, how useful is it to compare small and fast, but simple, Notepad
>replacements (e.g. Metapad, Ted Notepad etc.) with word processors or
>programmers editors?
There are going to be different comparisons. The NotePad class which
looks to be all under 100k or so and the larger programs with
features, programmers, html and hex. I don't think I'm going to mess
with the suites yet.
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REMbr...@inu.net
> Pat Keenan <pok...@NOVIAGARAvianet.ca> wrote:
>Your harddrive must be a total mess by now. How many apps have you
>downloaded so far? Do you get the opportunity to leave your chair every
>now and then to take in food and water? More important, are you getting
>any during all this?
It's about 50 so far, or 44 megs. Many of these are delightfully
small. I think my current preference, CryptEdit, is one of the larger
so far. One of the tiny assembly programs (most I have never heard of)
might well whup up on CE.
I leave them going and watch TV or type here or browse.
REMbr...@inu.net
> "CeeGee" <nu...@biznizz.fukoff.com> wrote:
>><REMbr...@inu.net> wrote in message
>> I'm about to begin to try to attempt to list the better known text
>> editors and contrast the features, limitation, registry entries, file
>> sizes, etc. It's a large project. I can use any input that you might
>> have. I'm sure there are more quality freeware editors out there.
>> Remove the three caps to email me, or post in a new message and I will
>> add it to the list
>Perhaps you might like to consider also:
>Edxor (33.5Kb)
>http://members.ozemail.com.au/~nulifetv/freezip/freeware/edxor.htm
I like the assembly programs. "Other Stuff 3k" <G>
>NoteXpad (255Kb) http://www.pediy.com/temp/NoteXPad/NoteXPad.htm
>Use the link at bottom right of graphic - one up from absolute bottom -
>you'll see why.
This one was strange. I found another version on an english site, but
I'm not sure it is the same program. I wonder why no english sites
have it?
Pat Keenan
to say...
>
> > Pat Keenan <pok...@NOVIAGARAvianet.ca> wrote:
>
> >Your harddrive must be a total mess by now. How many apps have you
> >downloaded so far? Do you get the opportunity to leave your chair every
> >now and then to take in food and water? More important, are you getting
> >any during all this?
>
> It's about 50 so far, or 44 megs. Many of these are delightfully
> small. I think my current preference, CryptEdit, is one of the larger
> so far. One of the tiny assembly programs (most I have never heard of)
> might well whup up on CE.
>
> I leave them going and watch TV or type here or browse.
>
for one, would like to dedicate a freeware page with them and proudly
point out the work you have done!
BillR
What are the capabilities of the server being used for PL? What
products are preinstalled (e.g., MySQL)?
BillR
horst
Nice solution, John!
or how about this:
builtin zip compression, 2,4,5
FTP and/or web browser, 2,3
column block selection, 3,4
spell checker, 3
makes the tea,
etc.
This has also the advantage that you wouldn't need complicated tables and you don't need to have a header (wich may disappear on the top of the window as the number of progs is quite large)
And if you have enough time left you may put hyperlinks to the programs in each number.
You are doing a really nice job!
Horst
>
>
>
Susan Bugher
I haven't got a clue. (Genna may know.)
Susan
REMbr...@inu.net
http://woundedmoon.org/win32/maketestfiles1.zip ~22k
If anyone would like to test any of the various editors at home using
identical test files the little program above will write them for you.
It writes:
a file with 1 million characters on a single line.
a file with 1 million characters plus end of line characters.
a file with 2 million characters plus end of line characters.
a file with 5 million characters plus end of line characters.
a file with 10 million characters plus end of line characters.
a file with 100 million characters plus end of line characters.
This makes ~122 megs of text files. Check the ReadMe.txt file.
Ahoy Mate
The entire thread is becoming verrrry lengthy, and I am intimidated
with all that sorting and reading to find what I want ... perhaps still
not able to locate it.
I want ... a small text editor that will BLOCK highlight .. and there are
several which do that. But, in addition, I want this text editor to
actually reformat ANY text file paragraph to a specified number
of characters. For instance, if I should import a text file having
one continuous string of words a mile long with no returns, etc,
I want it to be reformatted (with Od or OdOa as necessary) for
75, or 60, or 32 characters per line.... so that the saved result
will pop up on ANY other text editor with the 75, 60 or 32
character lines.
There exists a DOS text editor or two which does just that. But,
how about for Windows? Remember ... small.
SINNER
vim
:)
runs under windows.
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In matters of principle, stand like a rock;
in matters of taste, swim with the current.
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John Fitzsimons
<jonathanwol...@yatrashhoo.com> wrote:
>John Fitzsimons <xpm4s...@sneakemail.com> surveyed the damage, then,
>boldy dove into the melee, yelling something about:
< snip >
>> Barry's Emacs. I think the home page is/was :
>> http://www.barrys-emacs.org/
>I get a 404. ?
So did I. That's why I included "was". I thought however it may have
only been inaccessible to me. Try :
http://web.archive.org/web/20020206052636/http://barrys-emacs.org/emacs7.html#windows
jack horsfield
<xpm4s...@sneakemail.com> wrote:
>On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 00:12:19 GMT, W
><jonathanwol...@yatrashhoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>>> http://www.barrys-emacs.org/
>
>>I get a 404. ?
>
>So did I. That's why I included "was". I thought however it may have
>only been inaccessible to me. Try :
>
>http://web.archive.org/web/20020206052636/http://barrys-emacs.org/emacs7.html#windows
>
dunno what has happened to the domain. maybe it's a temporary thing.
the discussion group has much later versions than archive.org:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/barrysemacs/
jack
HOPCOUNT exceeded - there is a looping problem
jack horsfield
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/barrysemacs/
he forgot to renew the domain. it's done now. give it a couple of days
to propagate, i expect.
jack
the defaults won't help you
Arnold DeRoy
wrote:
>
>I want ... a small text editor that will BLOCK highlight .. and there are
>several which do that. But, in addition, I want this text editor to
>actually reformat ANY text file paragraph to a specified number
>of characters. For instance, if I should import a text file having
>one continuous string of words a mile long with no returns, etc,
>I want it to be reformatted (with Od or OdOa as necessary) for
>75, or 60, or 32 characters per line.... so that the saved result
>will pop up on ANY other text editor with the 75, 60 or 32
>character lines.
>
>There exists a DOS text editor or two which does just that. But,
>how about for Windows? Remember ... small.
>
Have you looked into vde? This does as you requested. Found a copy
here:
http://members.aol.com/wolffsoft/vde.htm
Sheldon Isaac
> Have you looked into vde? This does as you requested. Found a copy
> here: http://members.aol.com/wolffsoft/vde.htm
An updated one is at
http://home.att.net/~short.stop/vde.htm
REMbr...@inu.net
I am still becoming acquainted with most of these programs. Beginning
with the ability to read and edit large text files; alphabetically
ordered by the ability to open large files:
* = very impressive in my opinion.
<= clunky, but it did open and edit the file.
---------------------------------------------------------------
AEdit v4.0 SX r3 - 1404k
no registry entries - 100 meg file.
AEdit b5.0 beta 1 - 397k
2 registry entries - 100 meg file.
* Cetus CwordPad v3.0 - 1625k
55 registry entries, modified 18 - 100 meg file
* NotesPad v8.0 - 1004k
10 registry entries - 100 meg file (very fast)
Prolix v3.2 - 507k
No registry entries - 100 meg file.
* PsPad v4.25 - 2055k
26 registry entries - 100 meg file (outstanding, and the lights did
not dim)
Syn v2.5.0 pre-Alpha - 1631k
39 registry entries - 100 meg file.
* Vim v 6.2 - (charityware) - 4144k
41 registry entries - 100 meg file. (extremely powerful)
---------------------------------------------------------------
AnyEdit v2.0 beta 1.0 - 1115k
55 registry entries - <= 50 meg file - (choked on 1 million characters
with no carriage returns).
CryptEdit v4.1 - ~2000k
was already installed - <= 50 meg file.
* Editor² - 56k
no registry changes - <= 50 meg file
NoteTab Light v4.95 - 1795k
19 registry entries - <= 50 meg file.
---------------------------------------------------------------
MetaPad Full v3.5 - 46k
2 registry entries - <= 10 meg file.
* NoteMaid v1.55 - 51k
No registry entries - <= 10 meg file. (fast)
NoteXPad v1.4.1.0 - 256k
11 registry entries - <= 10 meg file.
Shalom Txt v 1.2 - 406k
3 registry entries - <= 10 meg file.
* The Gun v 2.5 - 16k
No registry entries - <= 10 meg file.
* Quick Editor v3.0f - 140k
No registry entries - <= 10 meg file.
Win32Pad v1.3.3 - 68k
3 registry entries - <= 10 meg file.
---------------------------------------------------------------
Text Shield build 589 - 1794k
10 registry entries - <= 5 meg file.
---------------------------------------------------------------
Not so good:
AbiWord v1.0.6 - 3919k
15 registry entries - choked on 1 meg file.
MetaPad LE - v3.5 - 45k.
22 registry entries - choked on 1 meg file.
TED - 63k
116 registry entries - choked on 1 meg file.
WordTabs v3.21 - 1507k
~200 registry entries - choked on 1 meg file.
---------------------------------------------------------------
If you have any of these installed I'd like to hear about any
deviations your system might have from mine:
500 mhz intel
256 megs of ram, 1 gig+ free disk space
Maxtor 7200 rpm drive
---------------------------------------------------------------
Googling should locate any of the above
programs.
---------------------------------------------------------------
Note: I found my eyes crossing while counting registry entries for
programs with many. I counted twice, but the values might be
approximations in some cases. Total Uninstall was used to identify
them.
I'm ready to start cataloging the features now. The features are more
likely to be what decisions are based on, rather than program size,
registry entries and the maximum file size a program can work with. I
personally tend to think of a program that has the ability to work
with large files as a better written program overall. This might not
be true. I noted many of the above opened large files, but only
partially loaded the file. Some were able to find the end and others
were not. I used the <= to mark the largest file that was successful
in complete loading and editing.
I'll probably do word processors, as opposed to straight text editors
also. Some of the above probably should be in the word processor
category, like AbiWord.
Stefan Ascher
If you need an Editor for very large files (even larger than 2 GB), then
I would stick with Vim. AFAIK, it's one of the view editors not loading
the entire file into memory, but just the part you see, and thus it's
much faster.
However, Vim is a matter of taste.
--
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Blinky the Shark
> On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 16:20:29 GMT, REMbr...@inu.net wrote:
>>I am still becoming acquainted with most of these programs. Beginning
>>with the ability to read and edit large text files; alphabetically
>>ordered by the ability to open large files:
>>* = very impressive in my opinion.
>><= clunky, but it did open and edit the file.
> I think you're comparing apples and oranges
> Did you notice the correlation between program size and ability to handle
> large files?
> There are big, heavy-duty editors, and small "Notepad replacements". A HD
> editor should handle huge files, as code can run up to hundreds of thousands
> of lines and a jillion characters.
In the thread that I think was the seed for this project, the test file
that we were running some s&r on was, IIRC, 800,000 lines. The
replacement test - the way I did it, anyway - took something like seven
minutes. Chugga chugga.
> NotePad only opens very small files. A good Notepad replacement should
> handle much larger files than NotePad while being smaller, faster, and more
> feature rich.
> I place a great deal of value on fast, compact programs, and especially my
> much-used 45KB text editor. No way am I going to use a 2MB Notepad
> replacement, nor am I going to open any 100 MB files any time soon.
I think our test was a paltry 26MB.
> I am not discouraging your work. I enjoyed your very enlightening report. I
> want to see more. :-)
I'm following it, too. And I don't even need a new editor. :)
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> * Vim v 6.2 - (charityware) - 4144k 41 registry entries - 100 meg
> file. (extremely powerful)
I can't tell you how weird it looks to see registry entries attributed
to vim. I know, I know -- but this hammers home how much I'm just
thinking "vim" when I think "vim", as versus thinking "vim and the OS".
Even knowing that this is a Windows-editors discussion! :)
And my compliments to you on committing to this monster of a project.
I'm far from being a vim guru. But as a user, if I can help you with
anything (short of doing your whole review <g>) specific, let me know.
REMbr...@inu.net
> Bob Adkins <bo...@charter.net> wrote:
>On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 16:20:29 GMT, REMbr...@inu.net wrote:
>>I am still becoming acquainted with most of these programs. Beginning
>>with the ability to read and edit large text files; alphabetically
>>ordered by the ability to open large files:
>I think you're comparing apples and oranges
Yes, most are new to me and I'm not certain exactly how to classify
them at this point.
>Did you notice the correlation between program size and ability to handle
>large files?
For most this holds true. For many of these the program file sizes are
larger because of the additional features, NoteTab Light for instance.
* Editor² - 98k .exe
no registry changes - <= 50 meg file
* NoteMaid v1.55 - 84k .exe
No registry entries - <= 10 meg file. (fast)
* The Gun v 2.5 - 6k .exe
No registry entries - <= 10 meg file.
* Quick Editor v3.0f - 35k .exe
No registry entries - <= 10 meg file.
These stand out though as small and powerful, if powerful equals
handling large files. I doubt many people will edit a 10 meg file, but
the ability to do so is there. These also don't muss with the
registry, which is a plus. There is not a great deal of functionality
with these though.
>There are big, heavy-duty editors, and small "Notepad replacements". A HD
>editor should handle huge files, as code can run up to hundreds of thousands
>of lines and a jillion characters.
>NotePad only opens very small files. A good Notepad replacement should
>handle much larger files than NotePad while being smaller, faster, and more
>feature rich.
True. I think NotePad has a limitation of 64k, if I'm not mistaken.
I'd consider one meg the bottom limit for a replacement, where someone
else might do with 640k. I'm leaning towards the Cetus WordPad
Some of these are WordPad type replacements also. And some are just HD
editors that allow for RTF, syntax highlighting and other features
that make them larger in size.
>I place a great deal of value on fast, compact programs, and especially my
>much-used 45KB text editor. No way am I going to use a 2MB Notepad
>replacement, nor am I going to open any 100 MB files any time soon.
Which is your preference as a NotePad replacement?
What do you use for larger files?
>I am not discouraging your work. I enjoyed your very enlightening report. I
>want to see more. :-)
I still use DOS edit.com pretty often. It is up to most tasks.
Anyway I do hope to get the apples in one basket and the oranges in
another as I do learn the programs better.
Blinky the Shark
As is champagne. As is lobster. As is Lamborghini. ;)
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Graydogg
* NoteMaid v1.55 - 51k
> No registry entries - <= 10 meg file. (fast)
http://www.pcworld.com/downloads/file_download/0,fid,4701,fileidx,1,00.asp
Spybot s&d resident popped up and said it had bloocked the download of
"Enliven!"
REMbr...@inu.net
> "Graydogg" <nu...@bizniss.com> wrote:
http://www.freewareweb.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?ID=648
Here is a link from Freeware web. I got (I think) the first popup that
made it past Avant in checking it. Otherwise, it's a good link.
I tried your link and got nothing from Spybot. There were a bunch of
ads :( Surely PCWorld doesn't allow advertisers to use malwares.
I downloaded and unzipped the file and ran Spybot. I'm clean, so I
suspect it was either an advertiser or maybe contamination from
another source. I run SpywareBlaster also, but Enliven is not on the
list of protected items. Maybe someone else can verify that the file
is clean from the link below?
http://www.pcworld.com/downloads/file_download/0,fid,4701,fileidx,1,00.asp
REMbr...@inu.net
> Blinky the Shark <no....@box.invalid> wrote:
>REMbr...@inu.net wrote:
>> * Vim v 6.2 - (charityware) - 4144k 41 registry entries - 100 meg
>> file. (extremely powerful)
>I can't tell you how weird it looks to see registry entries attributed
>to vim. I know, I know -- but this hammers home how much I'm just
>thinking "vim" when I think "vim", as versus thinking "vim and the OS".
>Even knowing that this is a Windows-editors discussion! :)
"(+)(REG VAL) (Default) = 'Allows integration of Vim as the text
editor in Developer Studio.'"
Many are for the above. I have Visual Developer Studio. I'm not sure
if they were inserted because I have it or not. It looks like there is
another Developer Studio specifically for VIM though.
41 registry entries for such a program is a small price to pay. It's a
goofy aspect of Windoze that might make sense to utilize sometimes.
>And my compliments to you on committing to this monster of a project.
It's interesting and I'm certain to add several nice editors to the
stockpile. CryptEdit has been OK, but I can see many that are far
better as a general duty editor and as a heavy duty editor. I must
admit that most of these I would never have tried, partly because I
thought CryptEdit served me well and partly because the names of
some of these sounds "lightweight," like Cetus CWordPad. It just
sounds like a WordPad clone when in truth it is far superior.
>I'm far from being a vim guru. But as a user, if I can help you with
>anything (short of doing your whole review <g>) specific, let me know.
I could (and will) spend much time exploring VIM in itself. It's quite
a program. I tried commandline VI on Open VMS and it was very
intimidating. The GUI provided for VIM is much more user friendly.
Thanks for the interest and support! If you can handle ant generic VIM
questions it will be a great help. I'll try to dig out any pertaining
to Win32.
REMbr...@inu.net
> FoF <fof-fof-f...@donotmail.me> wrote:
>On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 16:20:29 GMT, REMbr...@inu.net wrote:
>>* The Gun v 2.5 - 16k
>>No registry entries - <= 10 meg file.
>>* Quick Editor v3.0f - 140k
>>No registry entries - <= 10 meg file.
>Had a quick look at them but had to adjust window size every time I
>started the programs. Makes them rather useless imo, whatever their
>merits. I'll stick to Metapad as Notepad replacement. Its 2 registry
>entries can be removed quite easily upon deinstallation, but an .ini
>file would be better of course. If the the Q.Ed. author fixes the
>problem I'll give his program a longer try, and, on 2nd thought, I
>don't like the icons either (please fix also). The scripts are
>interesting provided people make theirs available (I am not so good at
>writing these things).
Give this a try:
Execute "SetGun.exe"
Select "Load TheGun"
Click of "Maximized" and "Save Settings"
Then execute "TheGun.exe"
I'm looking at Quick Editor now, but I don't see how or where to set
the .ini file. Good point. I'll write the author and see if he can
help.
Malù
REMbr...@inu.net ha scritto:
>Maybe someone else can verify that the file
> is clean from the link below?
>
> http://www.pcworld.com/downloads/file_download/0,fid,4701,fileidx,1,00.asp
>
Hi REMbranded,
the downloaded file is clean (checked with Avast).
The web page attempts to put three cookies from ad.doubleclick.net.
That's all.
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Malů - 23/08/2003 20.17.35
REMbr...@inu.net
> Malů <mal...@yahoo.it> wrote:
>Hi REMbranded,
>the downloaded file is clean (checked with Avast).
>The web page attempts to put three cookies from ad.doubleclick.net.
>That's all.
Thank you. That's pretty bad. I'm not sure why I got no alert. Maybe
it was Cookie Wall. I tend to expect more from PcWorld, but that's the
breaks I guess.
Blinky the Shark
> I could (and will) spend much time exploring VIM in itself. It's quite
> a program. I tried commandline VI on Open VMS and it was very
> intimidating. The GUI provided for VIM is much more user friendly.
> Thanks for the interest and support! If you can handle ant generic VIM
> questions it will be a great help. I'll try to dig out any pertaining
> to Win32.
A Must-Have Bookmark:
http://ets.uop.edu/sts/vi2.htm
And:
http://www.oualline.com/vim-cook.html
Be aware:
In *nix, we have a .vimrc file, where user configuration is kept.
It's read when you run [g]vi[m]. I dunno what you call it in Windows.
But that's where you can plug in stuff like keystroke macros and
abbreviations, as well as other stuff. For example, and this is an
extremely simple one, here are two lines from someone's file:
:ab #b /************************************************
:ab #e ************************************************/
They're for drawing the top and bottom of comment boxes, in program
code.
:ab = this is an abbreviation
#b = if I enter "#b"
/*********... = change it to this
Among others, I have one for my site URL.
Right here ----> http://blinkynet.net/
... just typed "bnet".
Just a trivial example of something in the rc file, which is the
core of vim's functionality. Find your equivalent, and get to know it.
There are also subdirectories for with scripts and plugins. For
example, I've "installed" (copied a couple of files, as shown <g>) this
one:
http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=362
Infinitely tweakable, this. :)
Blinky the Shark
REMbr...@inu.net
> Blinky the Shark <no....@box.invalid> wrote:
>A Must-Have Bookmark:
>http://ets.uop.edu/sts/vi2.htm
>And:
>http://www.oualline.com/vim-cook.html
I marked them both and they look like a great resource to have.
>Be aware:
>In *nix, we have a .vimrc file, where user configuration is kept.
>It's read when you run [g]vi[m]. I dunno what you call it in Windows.
>But that's where you can plug in stuff like keystroke macros and
>abbreviations, as well as other stuff. For example, and this is an
>extremely simple one, here are two lines from someone's file:
>:ab #b /************************************************
>:ab #e ************************************************/
>They're for drawing the top and bottom of comment boxes, in program
>code.
> :ab = this is an abbreviation
> #b = if I enter "#b"
> /*********... = change it to this
>Among others, I have one for my site URL.
>Right here ----> http://blinkynet.net/
>... just typed "bnet".
>Just a trivial example of something in the rc file, which is the
>core of vim's functionality. Find your equivalent, and get to know it.
>There are also subdirectories for with scripts and plugins. For
>example, I've "installed" (copied a couple of files, as shown <g>) this
>one:
>http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=362
>Infinitely tweakable, this. :)
I'll be checking out the editor on my Redhat install also and these
will come in handy!
REMbr...@inu.net
> Bob Adkins <bo...@charter.net> wrote:
>>On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 16:02:19 +0200, Andy <34573457...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>Bob Adkins <bo...@charter.net>:
>>> Remember Q-Edit? What a honey! Soooo fast under DOS, and very customizable.
>>Qedit you mean? Great program. It's still on my ancient 386sx laptop.
>>I used it for all my text editing and elaborate batch files, it was
>>very configurable with your own key definition and macro files, your
>>own help file. Very fast once you knew the key combinations, no need
>>for a mouse. O, nostalgia! Have they ever made a Windows version or
>>gone out of business like so many who clould not, or did not want to,
>>make the transition from DOS to Windows? Oops, Qedit was not freeware.
>QEdit is alive and well in TSEPro. QEdit was the grandfather of all quick,
>simple, yet powerful text editors. Many if not most editors today are based
>on some of Sam Mitchell's brilliant features and functions.
I found a page that lists the features. Most are included in the some
of the other editors.
"Wordwrap and paragraph-reformat options (including automatic
wordwrap)"
This is one feature I've looked for and VIM is the only one that
rewraps text and saves it (so far). The others do a "cosmetic" screen
wrap which is not saved. New text will be wrapped and saved, but the
old text usually comes out as it was wrapped before.
tls...@concentric.net
strange color crayon and scribbled:
>This is one feature I've looked for and VIM is the only one that
>rewraps text and saves it (so far). The others do a "cosmetic" screen
>wrap which is not saved. New text will be wrapped and saved, but the
>old text usually comes out as it was wrapped before.
Usually the "cosmetic wrap" is something that I consider a feature,
not a bug. However, it is interesting that VIM, which I thought was a
somewhat lowly text editor, acts in some ways like a higher level word
processor.
--
Therese Shellabarger / The Roving Reporter - Civis Mundi
tls...@concentric.net / http://www.concentric.net/~tlshell
Gary
> MetaPad: v3.5 -
>
I use MetaPad every day. Great program. I like the changeable font size and
the clickable links.
But there is a "surprise" buried away when a person uses:
"3) Replace notepad (for maximum notepadiness)"
http://www.liquidninja.com/metapad/faq.html#Q3
When you do this procedure and replace notepad.exe in this fashion there is
a random replacement, that can be hours or days apart, of the notepad icon
with "blood-dripping eyeball" modified notepad.ICO that's in the
metapad.exe file . This modified notepad.ICO does not get registered by
windows in the usual places so a Find search of *.ico will not display it.
The time it happened to me it put me into an eye-popping, jaw-dropping,
head-scratching state trying to figure out what this 'virus' was and where
it came from. I haven't had a virus infection and I couldn't figure out
what was going on. The modified notepad.ICO would reset itself to the
default notepad.ICO when I rebooted. Virus scans didn't show anything. It
kept reappearing at random intervals. After some help in a newsgroup I
learned that this modified notepad.ICO was in the metapad.exe file.
There isn't any harm done but if you aren't expecting it it can leave you
scrambling around for a bit. A programmer's sense of humor there. Just put
everything back the way it was before using metapad as the default notepad
replacement and all will be well.
To avoid this experience use the other suggestions on the web page such as;
the Send To folder for the right-click menu, etc.
I haven't heard it discussed very often so I guess people use other
programs for notepad replacement.
Personally, I use EXDOR as the default notepad type program and registered
it as such by right-clicking on a notepad icon and using "Open with" EXDOR
and "always" checked. MetaPad is in my Send To folder.
Not sure if this heads-up should be part of your comments with MetaPad in
your review or leave it for users to 'discover' for themselves. It would
have saved me some consternation if I had known about it.
Gary
REMbr...@inu.net
> tls...@concentric.net wrote:
>On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 17:18:19 GMT, REMbr...@inu.net took a very
>strange color crayon and scribbled:
>>This is one feature I've looked for and VIM is the only one that
>>rewraps text and saves it (so far). The others do a "cosmetic" screen
>>wrap which is not saved. New text will be wrapped and saved, but the
>>old text usually comes out as it was wrapped before.
>Usually the "cosmetic wrap" is something that I consider a feature,
>not a bug. However, it is interesting that VIM, which I thought was a
>somewhat lowly text editor, acts in some ways like a higher level word
>processor.
I consider it a feature to view cosmetically, or to choose to rewrap
the document cleanly at a user defined column. Or, the ability to
choose is what I would consider a feature for a text editor. There are
not many I've found so far, but I haven't tested all of them yet for
this ability. I just read in the docs that wrapping was cosmetic.
REMbr...@inu.net
>> MetaPad: v3.5 -
I consider the heads up a plus. Jeez, that is not something I'd have
expected and I'm sure I would have gone through the same scramble that
you did! While humorous after the fact I doubt it is during the fact.
Thanks Gary!
tls...@concentric.net
strange color crayon and scribbled:
>Or, the ability to
>choose is what I would consider a feature for a text editor. There are
>not many I've found so far, but I haven't tested all of them yet for
>this ability. I just read in the docs that wrapping was cosmetic.
One reason is that many people like to use text editors for things
like writing html pages, where hard wrapping is a no-no. And probably
for programming as well.
ms
IIRC, you have a website (?), which I don't see in your posts. Will your
progress on this very useful project be noted there?
What is the URL?
Mike Sa
REMbr...@inu.net
> ms<m...@nospa.com> wrote:
>IIRC, you have a website (?), which I don't see in your posts. Will your
>progress on this very useful project be noted there?
>What is the URL?
Hello Mike. Yes I do and yes it will. I'm in the process of trying to
put it into a usable form now. I'm still playing with the programs to
make sure I haven't overlooked features and such also.
The main site is mostly progams that went commercial, that were
abandoned, or just tough to find. I've neglected to make additions
recently and really need to get what I have marked to get online.
http://www.woundedmoon.org/win32_freeware.html
I'll probably add a text editor section with the results and an on
site download for any program listed, so they don't disappear on us.
Hopefully I can add to it as I find the time.
I can use any feedback of the display when I do get it on. Creating
attractive pages isn't a strong point of mine. And of course, if
anyone knows of any other outstanding editors or word proessors I'd
like to hear of them!
Sammy Mitchell
>
> Remember Q-Edit? What a honey! Soooo fast under DOS, and very
> customizable.
>
Hey thanks! We certainly appreciate the kind words!
--
Sammy Mitchell
Sammy Mitchell
> Qedit you mean? Great program. It's still on my ancient 386sx laptop.
> I used it for all my text editing and elaborate batch files, it was
> very configurable with your own key definition and macro files, your
> own help file. Very fast once you knew the key combinations, no need
> for a mouse. O, nostalgia!
Thanks, you are very kind.
> Have they ever made a Windows version or gone out of business
> like so many who clould not, or did not want to, make the
I don't think we're out of business yet. Hold on, let me
check... <grin>.
Nope, we're still here! Alive and kicking!
> Oops, Qedit was not freeware.
Sorry about that.
--
Sammy Mitchell
Gary
news:v0ikkvgjh4gj7g1gj...@4ax.com:
> In XP, do a search on "Notepad.ece". Hold down the shift key, and delete
> all. Rename Metapad.exe to notepad.exe, make it read only, and send it to
> the windows\system32 folder. Works fer me!
>
Glad to see a work-around for this!
I was following the author's instructions on a Win9x and experienced it.
>That said, that eyeball is ugly!
No kidding. I tried to post the sucker as an attachment but the host server
wouldn't allow it.
>First time I saw it I had a good laugh.
The first time I saw it I was freaked man. At the time the notepad.ICO made
its first change I had just copied/pasted some text from some spam on the
mail server to examine something that had caught my eye - one piece of spam
was referring to another piece of spam, both of which were on the mail
server at the same time. I hadn't seen this before and I was thinking that
this could be some kind of new binary "gotcha" that was coming in as two
separate pieces, that separately could pass the virus scans, but if they
were downloaded together they might be able to breed even after they were
virus scanned. It was as I was examining the two pieces of text beside each
other when the notepad.ICO began to change and that amplified my first
experience of the changing notepad.ICO, thinking I had tripped a booby trap
or something.
My knee-jerk reaction was to wack the spam off my computer and the server,
so lost those samples of spam. I have since retrained myself not to react
in such a knee-jerk manner but I haven't seen any more spam like that which
I could examine more closely. It did look like an interesting way to bypass
scans.
I did a hard shutdown and when I rebooted the notepad.ICO was back to
normal - for a day or two or so - then "it" was back. Reboot and the
default notepad.ICO was back. This went on for a couple of weeks of head
scratching until I met up with a helpful soul in a newsgroup who had the
inside skinny on the whole thing. Until then, MetaPad was the last place I
was thinking about as being the source of the changing notepad.ICO.
Gary
ms
I still use Editpad Classic, which is not AFAIK your favorite. Have used
it for years. Once in a great while, it opens 2 files, I have to use
Task Manager to exit, otherwise, fine.
Mike Sa
REMbr...@inu.net
> ms<m...@nospa.com> wrote:
>I still use Editpad Classic, which is not AFAIK your favorite. Have used
>it for years. Once in a great while, it opens 2 files, I have to use
>Task Manager to exit, otherwise, fine.
Both Classic and LE are nice editors that can handle huge files.
It's difficult to define exactly what the editor is to be used for,
because everyone has differing needs and requirements. If huge files
are important EditPad is certainly up for the job!
I prefer more features though. I like having a spell checker and file
stats as a minimum. I like syntax highlighting, especially for text
with html links in it. I like an editor that does RTF. Or, basically,
I prefer to skip over the "NotePad" replacement and start off with a
"WordPad" type replacement that has many extra features. Another
editor for more specialized tasks seems a good idea, and I imagine
EditPad will remain as a tool to work with large files.
BillR
<Snip>
> http://www.woundedmoon.org/win32_freeware.html
>
> I'll probably add a text editor section with the results and an on
> site download for any program listed, so they don't disappear on us.
>
> Hopefully I can add to it as I find the time.
>
> I can use any feedback of the display when I do get it on. Creating
> attractive pages isn't a strong point of mine.
Nice "homestead" you have. And cute pygmy goats. Downloading the
pictures was slow, but I liked the site enough to send the URL to my
Mom. I remember making the trek to the outhouse when visiting her
parents in the '60s. The well and backporch were enclosed and running
water added in the kitchen long before my time, though. I also spent
many hours splitting wood for the kitchen stove and parlour furnace.
BillR
REMbr...@inu.net
Well, here is the first draft of the features and limitations of the
first 20 or so text editors:
http://www.woundedmoon.org/text/texteditor.html
That's about the best I could do in making the display user friendly.
Suggestions are very welcomed!
Or, grab the files if you'd like to play with them:
http://www.woundedmoon.org/text/texteditor.csv
http://www.woundedmoon.org/text/texteditor.xls
An interesting archive I stumbled across:
"Text, ASCII, HTML, DBF editors and viewers, print utils, font
managers" 1280 programs. Ware status?
http://sac-ftp.externet.hu/utiltext1.html
Wim
> That's about the best I could do in making the display user friendly.
> Suggestions are very welcomed!
It looks very good!
You might want to split it up in 3 sections:
- notepad replacements
- programmers editors with syntax highlighting
- wordpad replacements with RTF
Some other good text editors you might want to check out:
Scite: www.scintilla.org
TED notepad: http://jsimlo.sk/
--
Wim
Sammy Mitchell
> Hey, you must be getting as old as dirt. I certainly am. :-)
I think I resemble that remark.
<grin>
I'm pushing 48. I think when I get to 49, I'll just stay there.
It is interesting though. We have users who have been with us
for 18 years now. Actually, (it just hit me) we have users that
are younger than our company!
Ok, I am getting old!
--
Sammy Mitchell
Susan Bugher
>
> Well, here is the first draft of the features and limitations of the
> first 20 or so text editors:
>
> http://www.woundedmoon.org/text/texteditor.html
>
> That's about the best I could do in making the display user friendly.
> Suggestions are very welcomed!
Hurrah! Very nice, repeating the header row is a big help. Maybe list
the editors alphabetically?
IMO it would be better to use a dash (minus sign) when you mean *no* -
asterisks are often used for footnotes.
I noticed Crypt Edit has an asterisk in the Registry Entries column -
IIRC you said you didn't know how many entries - perhaps use a question
mark there.
> Or, grab the files if you'd like to play with them:
>
> http://www.woundedmoon.org/text/texteditor.csv
>
> http://www.woundedmoon.org/text/texteditor.xls
Susan
REMbr...@inu.net
> Wim <w...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>REMbranded wrote:
>> That's about the best I could do in making the display user friendly.
>> Suggestions are very welcomed!
>It looks very good!
>You might want to split it up in 3 sections:
>- notepad replacements
>- programmers editors with syntax highlighting
>- wordpad replacements with RTF
That might make it easier to find the type. Nice idea.
>Some other good text editors you might want to check out:
>Scite: www.scintilla.org
>TED notepad: http://jsimlo.sk/
I'll give these two a go also.
REMbr...@inu.net
> Susan Bugher <whoise...@kvi.net> wrote:
>REMbr...@inu.net wrote:
>> Well, here is the first draft of the features and limitations of the
>> first 20 or so text editors:
>> http://www.woundedmoon.org/text/texteditor.html
>> That's about the best I could do in making the display user friendly.
>> Suggestions are very welcomed!
>Hurrah! Very nice, repeating the header row is a big help. Maybe list
>the editors alphabetically?
Yes, that page is sorted by registry entries. I was going to do an
alphabetical one also and link the first from it.
>IMO it would be better to use a dash (minus sign) when you mean *no* -
>asterisks are often used for footnotes.
I'll fix it.
>I noticed Crypt Edit has an asterisk in the Registry Entries column -
>IIRC you said you didn't know how many entries - perhaps use a question
>mark there.
I'll fix that also. I already have it installed. I'm not sure if
uninstalling it will remove everything so that I can get an accurate
count of the registry entries or not. I guess it's worth a try.
REMbr...@inu.net
> Bob Adkins <bo...@charter.net> wrote:
>>On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 11:32:07 GMT, REMbr...@inu.net wrote:
>>Well, here is the first draft of the features and limitations of the
>>first 20 or so text editors:
>>http://www.woundedmoon.org/text/texteditor.html
>I want to mention that MetaPad will launch e-mail links. Of course, they
>must be correctly formatted: mailto:REMbr...@inu.net
I'll fix that. There might be several mistakes, so point 'em out if
you see 'em!
>Exiting MetaPad by pressing the ESC key is PRICELESS. This is one feature
>that made me choose it as a text viewer. This and 2 other things are missing
>from NotePad replacements; Shift+right arrow to open the next TXT file in
>the folder, left to open previous, and a hot key to strip high ASCII
>characters like this:
I don't recall seeing any with these features. That's what's so cool
about this. It seems each author saw a nook no one else had filled and
added such. The features that I listed are just a few of the more
common ones shared by these editors. Many, many were not listed.
Susan Bugher
>
> > Susan Bugher <whoise...@kvi.net> wrote:
> >REMbr...@inu.net wrote:
>
> >> Well, here is the first draft of the features and limitations of the
> >> first 20 or so text editors:
>
> >> http://www.woundedmoon.org/text/texteditor.html
>
> >> That's about the best I could do in making the display user friendly.
> >> Suggestions are very welcomed!
>
> >Hurrah! Very nice, repeating the header row is a big help. Maybe list
> >the editors alphabetically?
>
> Yes, that page is sorted by registry entries. I was going to do an
> alphabetical one also and link the first from it.
Why not do an alphabetical page with *all* the editors - and question
marks for the data you don't have. I think the group could furnish a lot
of the information - especially the feature info.
Susan
Lars Erik Bryld
> Well, here is the first draft of the features and limitations of the
> first 20 or so text editors:
>
> http://www.woundedmoon.org/text/texteditor.html
>
> That's about the best I could do in making the display user friendly.
> Suggestions are very welcomed!
If your web host offers any kind of server-side scripting, a very nice
feature would be a form where you could search or sort on features of
particular interest, like size (notepad replacements), ability to open huge
files with or without syntax highlightning (programmer's editors), or HTML
validation etc.
I occasionally do stuff like that in PHP and would gladly assist, others
might be able to do it in ASP or CGI/Pearl.
> Or, grab the files if you'd like to play with them:
>
> http://www.woundedmoon.org/text/texteditor.csv
>
> http://www.woundedmoon.org/text/texteditor.xls
--
Lars Erik Bryld
REMbr...@inu.net
> Susan Bugher <whoise...@kvi.net> wrote:
>Why not do an alphabetical page with *all* the editors - and question
>marks for the data you don't have. I think the group could furnish a lot
>of the information - especially the feature info.
Sounds like a plan. That was most of the text editors. The
programming, hex and a few word processing programs aren't listed.
I'll try to get it together tonight.
REMbr...@inu.net
> Lars Erik Bryld <lars...@dadlnet.invalid> wrote:
>>Scripsit REMbr...@inu.net:
>> Well, here is the first draft of the features and limitations of the
>> first 20 or so text editors:
>> http://www.woundedmoon.org/text/texteditor.html
>> That's about the best I could do in making the display user friendly.
>> Suggestions are very welcomed!
>If your web host offers any kind of server-side scripting, a very nice
>feature would be a form where you could search or sort on features of
>particular interest, like size (notepad replacements), ability to open huge
>files with or without syntax highlightning (programmer's editors), or HTML
>validation etc.
I thought of that, but I have no experience with scripting. That would
be very nice to allow the user to set preferences and have a sorted
list presented.
>I occasionally do stuff like that in PHP and would gladly assist, others
>might be able to do it in ASP or CGI/Pearl.
Sure! Can you do it in PHP?
mike555
Very nice, you might want to include "RoughDraft" , from
http://www.rsalsbury.co.uk/rd.htm ............
Lars Erik Bryld
>>If your web host offers any kind of server-side scripting, a very nice
>>feature would be a form where you could search or sort on features of
>>particular interest, like size (notepad replacements), ability to open huge
>>files with or without syntax highlightning (programmer's editors), or HTML
>>validation etc.
>
> I thought of that, but I have no experience with scripting. That would
> be very nice to allow the user to set preferences and have a sorted
> list presented.
>
>>I occasionally do stuff like that in PHP and would gladly assist, others
>>might be able to do it in ASP or CGI/Pearl.
>
> Sure! Can you do it in PHP?
If your web host supports the option, yes.
It would be easiest, if the host also supports a MySql server, but the
data can be drawn from the csv file as well.
You can upload a file called e.g. test.php with the following content:
<?
phpinfo();
?>
If you load this page from your site, you should see a long-winded table
showing your PHP-configuration.
If you simply see the above text, then you don't have PHP.
Get back here if you're sure you have PHP, and I'll send a suggestion for
you to try out.
--
Lars Erik Bryld
Max Quordlepleen
> Well, here is the first draft of the features and limitations of the
> first 20 or so text editors:
> http://www.woundedmoon.org/text/texteditor.html
What, no (X)Emacs? <wounded sniff>
;D
--
Noho ora mai, ka kite ano.
John Fitzsimons
>Well, here is the first draft of the features and limitations of the
>first 20 or so text editors:
>http://www.woundedmoon.org/text/texteditor.html
< snip >
Nice. You might consider adding info that tells which do regex,
inbuilt grepping, etc.
I would put them either in alphabetical order or via size of largest
file editable eg. <50MB, >50Mb etc.
Regards, John.
P.S. It's Shalo*m* txt.
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BillR
> Well, here is the first draft of the features and limitations of the
> first 20 or so text editors:
>
> http://www.woundedmoon.org/text/texteditor.html
>
> That's about the best I could do in making the display user friendly.
> Suggestions are very welcomed!
>
are added ....
Are you going to have additional comments specific to each editor?
I think it is important to distinguish between Yes, No,
Partial/Exception/Comment, Don't Know, and Not Applicable. As others
have suggested, perhaps these could be Y/-/*/space or ?/NA Where
numbers are concerned, either zero or dash as most appropriate (e.g.,
dash is easier to scan).
Repeating the heading row is a good idea, but perhaps less frequently.
I suspect that some column headings will grow taller.
Speaking of which, some columns could easily be compressed if the
heading were narrower.
Columns should be grouped as much as possible. For example, putting
Spell Check and Thesaurus next to each other is a good idea. I
associateFile Wipe and Encryption and Password.
I have added a few more features (not very well organized) to consider
below. You may have to explain what a few of your features mean.
If you don't intend to go into depth in some areas (e.g., support for
code), perhaps a qualitative rating would be appropriate.
Despite my criticisms, let me repeat: this is a great start.
Thanks,
BillR
-----
Password
Does "multiple files" mean just open
Open same file in multiple windows Coordinated update (Split file
view?)
Search / replace in multiple files
Regular expressions in search
Complex searches (e.g., special characters, near)
Drag&drop edit
Windows standard select/highlight/etc.(e.g., sh + --> and ctl + sh +
-->)
Rectangular selection
Automatic back-up with versions
Versioning and file comparison (diff)
Language support (English/other/multicharacter/user extensible)
How extensive is help
Language/code specific help
Context dependent help With >1 file open
Line numbers/increment control/placement/add-remove-display-hide
Auto indent paragraph/list/code
Auto number/bullet
Outlines (also see code folding)
Bookmarks
Tables
Link highlighting/launch
Which coding languages supported
Autocomplete syntax/language/code
Autocomplete specific to file/language/code versus global
Format templates (styles)
Show format codes
Code templates
Syntax check/match braces
Tidy format feature or integration
Code folding
User support (forum/ng/... and activity and location)
Actively updated/status
License
Open source
Project mngmt
Print preview
Plugins
Autoreplace notepad/wordpad option in setup
FTP
BillR
> first 20 or so text editors:
>
> http://www.woundedmoon.org/text/texteditor.html
>
> That's about the best I could do in making the display user friendly.
> Suggestions are very welcomed!
>
Would you also post (here or on site) a simple list of the editors on
your review list? Rejected? I hope people will look at that list
before making additional suggestions.
Thanks,
Bill
Simon
Go Branded!!
interesting to see a few more people appear to be taking an interest now
that something has been produced....
In order to save some real estate by narrowing the columns, is it possible
to 'rotate' the column headings (eg in Excel you can rotate the text up to
90 degrees from the horizontal). I had a hunt through my meagre HTML
recsources and couldn't find anything but perhaps someone more knowledgable
can confirm if this is doable.
also, instead of adding an extra column at the right of your table for the
link, just make the first column serve both purposes (ie make the link
title the prog name)
again, great job (keep going!!!)
S
--
give a man a match and he'll be warm for the night.
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life...
Blinky the Shark
news:MPG.19b6c4858...@news.wanadoo.nl:
> - wordpad replacements with RTF
Hey, that gives me an idea for a whole category of software (free or
otherwise) that's been sorely neglected and could be the next Killer
App: clueware with WTF. ;)
--
Blinky T. "temporarily trapped in an old Windows machine" Shark
DC
> Wim <w...@nospam.invalid> wrote in
> news:MPG.19b6c4858...@news.wanadoo.nl:
>
>> - wordpad replacements with RTF
>
> Hey, that gives me an idea for a whole category of software (free or
> otherwise) that's been sorely neglected and could be the next Killer
> App: clueware with WTF. ;)
--
DC
New SCO licensing scheme in the works, morning headlines to read:
"Customers buy license plates made by former SCO executives"
Blinky the Shark
news:znhu92...@maxqnz.com:
> REMbr...@inu.net writes:
>
>> Well, here is the first draft of the features and limitations
>> of the first 20 or so text editors:
>> http://www.woundedmoon.org/text/texteditor.html
>
> What, no (X)Emacs? <wounded sniff>
> ;D
Yes, we have no bananas. ;)
Blinky the Shark
news:Xns93E56F3A26...@202.12.162.100:
>
> Go Branded!!
>
> interesting to see a few more people appear to be taking an
> interest now that something has been produced....
>
> In order to save some real estate by narrowing the columns, is
> it possible to 'rotate' the column headings (eg in Excel you can
> rotate the text up to 90 degrees from the horizontal). I had a
> hunt through my meagre HTML recsources and couldn't find
> anything but perhaps someone more knowledgable can confirm if
> this is doable.
You'd have to do it with graphics in those cells (I assume this is
a table).
DC
Eh?
--
DC
Te audire no possum. Musa sapientum fixa est in aure.
Simon
news:Xns93E4CF2B49...@129.250.170.90:
hmmmm, I suspected as much (drat!!)
REMbr...@inu.net
> Lars Erik Bryld <lars...@dadlnet.invalid> wrote:
>If your web host supports the option, yes.
>It would be easiest, if the host also supports a MySql server, but the
>data can be drawn from the csv file as well.
>You can upload a file called e.g. test.php with the following content:
-----------------
chmod 755
<?
phpinfo();
?>
-----------------
>If you load this page from your site, you should see a long-winded table
>showing your PHP-configuration.
PHP Version 4.3.2
All scripts must have the "chmod 755" according to the host faq.
>If you simply see the above text, then you don't have PHP.
>Get back here if you're sure you have PHP, and I'll send a suggestion for
>you to try out.
REMbr...@inu.net
> John Fitzsimons <xpm4s...@sneakemail.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 11:32:07 GMT, REMbr...@inu.net wrote:
>>Well, here is the first draft of the features and limitations of the
>>first 20 or so text editors:
>>http://www.woundedmoon.org/text/texteditor.html
>Nice. You might consider adding info that tells which do regex,
>inbuilt grepping, etc.
>I would put them either in alphabetical order or via size of largest
>file editable eg. <50MB, >50Mb etc.
Yes, Alphabetical, by registry entry and by largest file file size
will make three nice views, depending on which the user prefers.
>P.S. It's Shalo*m* txt.
I think I have "Shalom.TXT." What do you mean *m*?
REMbr...@inu.net
> BillR...@hotmail.com (BillR) wrote:
>Very impressive start. So far this is quite readable, but as features
>are added ....
>Are you going to have additional comments specific to each editor?
That will probably be good to include. It's sort of a balancing act to
get the pertinent info out in a usable form though, so in the rough
draft I stuck with facts and did not include opinion.
>I think it is important to distinguish between Yes, No,
>Partial/Exception/Comment, Don't Know, and Not Applicable. As others
>have suggested, perhaps these could be Y/-/*/space or ?/NA Where
>numbers are concerned, either zero or dash as most appropriate (e.g.,
>dash is easier to scan).
I'm still working on this. Placing a dask in an Excel cell doesn't
seem to work. It displays the cell number of whatever cell I move to
after leaving the cell. The * character works, but it is not the best
character to represent no. I removed them and left the fields blank,
but that looks ike an unfinished sheet and might muss up a script that
reads the .csv file..
>Repeating the heading row is a good idea, but perhaps less frequently.
> I suspect that some column headings will grow taller.
>Speaking of which, some columns could easily be compressed if the
>heading were narrower.
I thought of using letters, but the user would have to scroll back and
forth to view the legend.
I haven't tried putting the headers on a 45 degree angle yet.
>Columns should be grouped as much as possible. For example, putting
>Spell Check and Thesaurus next to each other is a good idea. I
>associateFile Wipe and Encryption and Password.
Encryption requires a password?
>I have added a few more features (not very well organized) to consider
>below. You may have to explain what a few of your features mean.
>If you don't intend to go into depth in some areas (e.g., support for
>code), perhaps a qualitative rating would be appropriate.
>Password
>Does "multiple files" mean just open
Yes. Most have tabbed interfaces, which allows switching between
windows. A couple do not have tabs, but still allow for opening
multiple files. Any file that is open can be read or written to.
>Open same file in multiple windows Coordinated update (Split file
>view?)
That is "Split File View."
>Search / replace in multiple files
I'll have to look at this. I "think" it is for single files. I scanned
the docs and do not recall seeing S&R across multiple files.
>Regular expressions in search
>Complex searches (e.g., special characters, near)
>Drag&drop edit
>Windows standard select/highlight/etc.(e.g., sh + --> and ctl + sh +
>-->)
Hmmm, I use CTRL/A to highlight the file and shift/arrow to highlight
a partial file.
>Rectangular selection
>Automatic back-up with versions
>Versioning and file comparison (diff)
>Language support (English/other/multicharacter/user extensible)
I think this will be good to add, as the audience is global.
>How extensive is help
Probably another good area. I saw a couple with terrible help.
>Language/code specific help
>Context dependent help With >1 file open
>Line numbers/increment control/placement/add-remove-display-hide
>Auto indent paragraph/list/code
>Auto number/bullet
>Outlines (also see code folding)
>Bookmarks
>Tables
>Link highlighting/launch
>Which coding languages supported
>Autocomplete syntax/language/code
>Autocomplete specific to file/language/code versus global
>Format templates (styles)
>Show format codes
>Code templates
>Syntax check/match braces
>Tidy format feature or integration
>Code folding
I saw folding, but I'm still not sure exactly what it is. Can you give
me a clue?
>User support (forum/ng/... and activity and location)
>Actively updated/status
>License
The license for each was either open source or freeware, with a single
exception of VIM, which is charityware.
>Open source
>Project mngmt
>Print preview
>Plugins
>Autoreplace notepad/wordpad option in setup
>FTP
Each of these will be helpful. Back to the balancing act, which should
be included and to what point before the page becomes overwhelming?
If Lars gets the scripting going I can make another file with all of
this information and the user can select the most important areas.
REMbr...@inu.net
> BillR...@hotmail.com (BillR) wrote:
>Would you also post (here or on site) a simple list of the editors on
>your review list? Rejected? I hope people will look at that list
>before making additional suggestions.
Sure. I have not rejected any. TED won't open files 1 meg in size, so
I skipped over it for the moment. GbText needs richtx32.ocx and I got
a bad install file for Emojic, but I'm planning on coming back and
adding them. If enough people have problems with one or view it as a
bad editor relatively I can remove it.
I've already seen newer versions than the ones I downloaded for a
couple of these. This made me think it might be best to link to the
author's site when possible, a site without popups in other cases and
my site for files that cannot be found on English sites.
AEdit 5.0 (beta 1) - 369k
AEdit SX (v4.0-SX r3) - (1,37Mb - freeware)
http://web.tiscali.it/no-redirect-tiscali/axart/english.html#aedit
AbiWord: 3919k
http://www.abisource.com/products.phtml
AnyEdit: v1.0 beta - 1115k
http://www.anyedit.org/
Atlantis Nova: 761k
http://www.rssol.com/en/html/download/nova.htm
Crypt Edit: ~2000k
http://ps.yaroslavl.ru/
CWordPad: 845k
http://users.erols.com/fwcetus/cwordpad.htm
Delphad: 1004k
http://www.hushpage.com/Delphad/delphad.html
Editor2: 55k!
http://www.simtel.net/product.php?id=67247
http://www.netez.com/2xExplorer
EditPad Lite: 973k (linux version available) [Postcardware] *
http://www.editpadlite.com/editpadlite.html
EditPad Regular: 309k (year 2000 version) [Postcardware] *
http://tucows.kr.psi.net/files/EditPadClassic.zip
EdXOR: 34k
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~nulifetv/freezip/freeware/edxor.htm
GNU emacs:
http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/emacs.html
EmEditor: 1.27 - went shareware v3.36. I'll look into finding and
archiving the last freeware version if the licence permits
redistribution.
Emojic: v1.4 - 1230k (bad setup file)
eWriter: 703k
"32-bit 21st century eTypewriter (for the writer, not the clerk
typist) for use in Windows 95+ and Windows NT."
http://home.earthlink.net/~acorioso/ew_main.htm
gbText: v4.5 - 314k (richtx32.ocx required)
Jarte: v2.0 - 1693k
http://www.jarte.com/
MetaPad: v3.5 -
LE - 45k
FULL - 45.7k
"Q: What is the difference between Full version and LE?
A: Technically, the full version utilizes a RichEdit control whereas
LE (Light Edition) uses the older but speedier Edit control (as does
metapad 1.x). LE is somewhat quicker under NT when loading large files
but it does not have the following features: no file size limit on
Win9X, multiple undo/redo, show hyperlinks option, drag & drop text,
editinginsert/overwrite mode. It's up to you to decide which one you
like better!
http://www.liquidninja.com/metapad/
Nerdpad: v1.0 - 30k
http://www.zdnetindia.com/downloads/info/877091.html
NoteKeeper: v0.4 - 1090k
All links I've tried so far at to the author's site and it is down,
temporarily I think.
Notemaid: 52k
http://www.freewareweb.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?ID=648
NotesPad: 97k
http://www.newbie.net/NotesPad/
NoteTab Light: 1796k
http://www.notetab.com/ntl.php
NoteXPad v2.0.1 - 132k
Screen shot looks good, bad setup file.
http://ryan.ript.net/notexpad/
NoteXPad (chinese site)
http://woundedmoon.org/text/notexpad_en.exe
PFE: v1.01 - 607k
http://www.lancs.ac.uk/people/cpaap/pfe/
Prolix: V3.2 - 507k
http://www.kobayashi.com/prolix.html
RoughDraft: v2.11 - 1812k
http://www.rsalsbury.co.uk/rd.htm
Scintilla v1.54 - 495k
http://www.scintilla.org/ScintillaDownload.html
Scite: v1.54 - 920k
http://www.scintilla.org/SciTE.html
Shalom Txt: v1.2 - 405k
http://www.danish-shareware.dk/soft/stxt/
Stratuspad: 1000k
[ftp://ftp.meiji.ac.jp/mirror/win3/util/stratpad.zip]
Syn: v2.5.0.24 - 1631k
http://syn.sourceforge.net/
TED Notepad: Version 3.0.1 beta (no unicode) - 63k
<http://www.mff.cuni.cz/is/lab/> of Faculty of Mathematics and Physics
<http://www.mff.cuni.cz/> of the Charles University
<http://www.cuni.cz/> in Prague; written in pure ANSI C language (no
MFC, no C++, no Borland), using the system API functions, compiled
with Microsoft Visual Studio 6.0. Instead of other Notepad
replacements, TED was developed to be the most stable and as fast as
possible program; even if it cost some price. Without wizards and
objects; but with help and support of the other students there; I
think it is now what it ought to be."
http://jsimlo.sk/notepad/
TextMorph: v1.0 beta - 1920k
http://www.laughandlift.com/programs/index.html
TextShield: 1750k
http://www.softpile.com/Business/Text_Utilities/Review_08464_index.html
The Gun: v2.5 15k!
http://www.movsd.com/thegun.htm
Quick Editor v3.0f - 139k
http://www.movsd.com/qed.htm
Win32Pad: v1.3.3 69k (or 30k .zip)
http://www.gena01.com
TxtEdit
http://www.luziusschneider.com/Engindex.html
VDE(DOS) : v1.93c - 184,320 bytes
http://members.aol.com/wolffsoft/vde.htm
vim: v6.2 - 4040k
http://www.vim.org/
Winsyntax v2.0 - 453k
http://www.winsyntax.com/
Word Tabs v3.29 - 1529k
http://www.aaafreebies.com/programs/wordtabs.htm
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Still haven't downloaded:
Wordsworth & XpertWord
XVI32 (hex)
http://www.chmaas.handshake.de/
Ywriter:
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Programming Editors:
CodePad: (dual pane)
http://shicola.d2.cz/codepad/
ConText:
http://www.fixedsys.com/context/
Crimson Editor: v3.51 (June 11,2003)
http://www.crimsoneditor.com/
Hackman Lite
http://www.technologismiki.com/hackman/
Jext: ~20 megs (very large)
http://www.jext.org/
NotePadXP
www.acsoftware.org
PSPad 4.2.5 (1806) - 24.07.2003 - 2000k
http://www.pspad.com/index_en.html
Side by Side: 685k
http://www.slimeworld.org/galwebde/sideby/index.html
SourceEdit
www.sourceedit.com
WinVI
http://www.winvi.de/en/
Hex Editors:
A.X.E. - (standing for Advanced Hex Editor)
Frhed: v1.0.156 - 307k
http://www.kibria.de/ (outstanding page design for anyone who enjoys
a beautiful site)
Hexview: 210k
http://www.funduc.com/otsoft.htm#hexview
Jedit:
http://www.jedit.org/
HTML Editors:
AceHTML Freeware
www.visicommedia.com
Arachnophilia
www.arachnoid.com/arachnophilia/
Coffee Cup Free HTML
http://www.coffeecup.com/freehtml/
1st Page 2000
www.evrsoft.com
HTML Builder
www.code-builders.com/
HTML-Kit
www.chami.com
TSW WebCoder
http://www.tsware.net/
WebWriter
www.stoneware.dk
Special Use Editor:
Bifocal Notepad:
"Bifocal Notepad is a simplified Notepad replacement intended for use
by the visually impaired, or by anyone who is tired of squinting at
tiny text files in the regular Windows Notepad."
Desktop Writer: 1900k v2.2
"Desktop Writer is a powerful word processor designed to be used by
children and people who are not very competent with word processors."
Seems abandoned, I can't find the author's site presently. "While
there are no menus, all buttons are designed to look attractive and
colorful so that a child can easily understand their function and how
to use them."
http://www.softlookup.com/download/down15692.html
Multi-program:
NotesBrowser: 2390k
"Notesbrowser is a professional organizer. You can store notes and
schedule dates in one integrated, easy to use interface. It is a
planning
tool and is suitable for both business and personal application.
http://www.notesbrowser.com/
Stats:
TEXT ANALYSER? Text Information: v1.2 30k
This seems to be a program that gives many stats about a text file.
http://www.qjc.cjb.net/ti.html
I think that is the current list, although I might have a couple rat
holed in another file. That's a pretty good start and surely other
programs will be recommended over time also.
REMbr...@inu.net
>Simon <no...@home.net> wrote:
>interesting to see a few more people appear to be taking an interest now
>that something has been produced....
That is the hope... that many will help out and many more benefit.
>In order to save some real estate by narrowing the columns, is it possible
>to 'rotate' the column headings (eg in Excel you can rotate the text up to
>90 degrees from the horizontal). I had a hunt through my meagre HTML
>recsources and couldn't find anything but perhaps someone more knowledgable
>can confirm if this is doable.
I'll give this a try and see how it works. I'm not sure if it will
wrap, or if a single line will extend upwards.
>also, instead of adding an extra column at the right of your table for the
>link, just make the first column serve both purposes (ie make the link
>title the prog name)
That never occurred to me. I was hunkered down and never even thought
of it. Nice catch!