About the Doctorate you sold me Dr John Bear!
John Hughes
years ago from the London Institute for Applied Research for $25.
Anyway, until now this doctorate has served me well and has never had
its legality questioned. However I am a little concerned about having
been told of you expressing the idea that using my doctorate in Oregon
would get me fined or even imprisoned. You seem these days to be very
carried away with the idea of accreditation, but when you sold me my
degree, you were concerned only with *legality*.
I checked the *Oregon List* and found no mention of the London
Institute for Applied Research on any banned list.
Can I be certain of your assurance that this is because the
*completely legal* doctorate you sold me is in fact legal in Oregon,
hence its omission from the list?
Rich Douglas
sold under L.I.A.R. (get it?) were both honorary and for novelty purposes.
Are you suggesting otherwise?
Considering the above, it is no surprise that L.I.A.R. isn't on the ODA
page.
Rich Douglas
"John Hughes" <drjohn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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John Bear
The LIAR story has been told in detail in my book for decades, complete
with the bit about the Ethiopian ear pickers. Did you ever get one of
those? I'll be glad to mail you one, if you tell me where.
John Hughes
It is as you say most pleasant to be re-acquainted after so long,
although you forget that we have actually met a few times socially
since you sold me the degree from the London Institute for Applied
Research.
Thank you for the kind offer of some Ethiopian ear pickers, but I
think I shall pass.
What I really want is an answer to my question which you seem to have
missed out in your courteous reply.
I checked the *Oregon List* and found no mention of the London
Institute for Applied Research on any banned list.
Can I be certain of your assurance that this is because the
*completely legal* doctorate you sold me is in fact legal in Oregon,
hence its omission from the list?
John Bear <jo...@ursa.net> wrote in message news:<3EC32573...@ursa.net>...
John Bear
John Hughes wrote:
> Dear Dr John Bear,
>
> It is as you say most pleasant to be re-acquainted after so long,
> although you forget that we have actually met a few times socially...
Curiously, I have no recollection of this, and I usually have a very good memory.
Can you refresh my memory and tell me where and when we met socially? Thank you so
much.
John Hughes
Dear Dr John Bear,
It seems your usually very good memory is indeed failing you!
I have asked you three times in the last day to answer a rather simple
question which you seem to have forgotten all about whilst engaging in
social pleasantries.
I shall repeat my question again for a fourth time.
What I really want is an answer to this question.
I checked the *Oregon List* and found no mention of the London
Institute for Applied Research on any banned list.
Can I be certain of your assurance that this is because the
*completely legal* doctorate you sold me from the Lonadon Institute
for Applied Research is in fact legal in Oregon, hence its omission
from the list?
John Bear
detailed answer to your question.
Sincerely, John Bear
John Hughes
You are being somewhat evasive on this matter.
You seem determined not to answer a very simple question.
I shall repeat my question again for a fifth time.
What I really want is an answer to this question.
I checked the *Oregon List* and found no mention of the London
Institute for Applied Research on any banned list.
Can I be certain of your assurance that this is because the
*completely legal* doctorate you sold me from the London Institute
for Applied Research is in fact legal in Oregon, hence its omission
from the list?
I also note (an oversight by you I am sure) that you have twice
addressed me as *Mr Hughes* instead of *Dr Hughes*, a courtesy to
which you are full well aware that I am legally entitled to since it
was you yourself who sold me the *completely legal* doctorate in the
first place.
It almost seems that you are unwilling to acknowledge the legality, of
which you personally assured me, of the doctorate that you sold me
from the London Institute for Applied Research.
If anyone should address me by my legally acquired doctoral title,
surely it should be you.
Also it is my preference, since it is you that has raised the question
of the legality in Oregon of degrees such as the one you sold me in
this publicly accessible forum, that you address my concerns in the
self same public forum.
John Bear <jo...@ursa.net> wrote in message news:<3EC66FC...@ursa.net>...
Rich Douglas
I am confused. Why is it you're asking about the legal status of a school
that never existed? There is no reason for the ODA to post anything to
their website about L.I.A.R. It was never real.
Because of this, it is reasonable to conclude that you were never awarded a
degree of any kind, legal or otherwise. If indeed you received a "diploma"
from L.I.A.R., you received a novelty item.
Also because you were never awarded a degree from L.I.A.R., it would seem
that "Mr." Hughes would be appropriate.
The diploma from a degree-granting institution signifies that a degree was
awarded, but it is not the degree itself. You received a diploma from a
non-existent, fictitious entity. (If you did. I doubt it.) You did not,
however, have a degree conferred upon you.
Rich Douglas, who has had five degrees conferred upon him.
P.S. I notice that you bemoan the fact that Dr. Bear has not responded in a
manner you find satisfying. I look forward to your response, if any, to my
comments. You ignored the last ones.
"John Hughes" <drjohn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Mark Israel
> There is no reason for the ODA to post anything to
> their website about L.I.A.R. It was never real.
Hmmm. Glencullen University is on the ODA Website. What made
Glencullen University "real"?
OK, there's the fact that they charged (charge?) way too much for
their diplomas for them to be considered "novelty items". But
anything else?
Thomas Nixon
You may want to type slower. I suspect that Mr. Hughes lacks the mental capacity to understand you otherwise (as evidenced by this silly discussion about him having a doctorate in the fine art of lying).
Tom
Some 1
> You may remember me, you sold be a
> *completely legal* doctorate 31 years
> ago from the London Institute for
> Applied Research for $25.
> Anyway, until now this doctorate has
> served me well and has never had its
> legality questioned.
Served you well in what capacity? How have you employed your "degree"?
> However I am a little concerned about
> having been told of you expressing the
> idea that using my doctorate in Oregon
> would get me fined or even imprisoned.
It's illegal to use any degree in the State of Oregon that isn't
a) accredited by an accreditor recognized by the US Department of
Education, or
b) approved by the State of Oregon.
I'm assuming that your "degree" is neither, so it apparently would be
illegal for you to try to use it in the State of Oregon.
> I checked the *Oregon List* and found
> no mention of the London Institute for
> Applied Research on any banned list.
Nevertheless, your presenting it to others as if it were a legitimate
academic degree is probably illegal in Oregon.
> Can I be certain of your assurance that
> this is because the *completely legal*
> doctorate you sold me is in fact legal in
> Oregon, hence its omission from the
> list?
If it isn't accredited by an accreditor recognized by the US Department
of Education, and if it isn't otherwise recognized by the State of
Oregon, than it is illegal for you to use it as if it were an academic
degree in the State of Oregon.
John Hughes
Frankly, I did not reply to your comments about the doctorate Dr John
Bear sold me from the London Institute for Applied Research because
you are not Dr John Bear and you did not sell me the doctorate.
You were not there when Dr John Bear sold me the doctorate and you did
not assure me that the doctorate you sold me was *completely legal* as
Dr John Bear did.
Now unless you were present with and acting in collusion with Dr Bear
when he sold me my doctorate from the London Institute of Applied
Research then you really have no part of this.
I also notice that Dr John Bear himself is very keen not to discuss
the legality of the degree he sold me from the London Institute of
Applied Research in this public forum yet someone (Some1) has just
posted up telling me that the degree Dr John Bear sold me is in fact
illegal in Oregon.
If that is the case, then Dr John Bear should post a rebuttal.
I bought my doctorate from Dr John Bear precisely because he assured
me that it legally conferred a doctoral title upon me.
Was that not the case? (This question is directed at Dr John Bear, Mr
Douglas, not at you).
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Marty S.
> Bear sold me from the London Institute for Applied Research because
> you are not Dr John Bear and you did not sell me the doctorate.
>
--
Marty S.
Baltimore, MD USA
Randy Harris
comment.
--
Randy Harris
"Marty S." <SkoCo...@aol.com> wrote in message
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John Bear
tell me where to mail it.
Yours sincerely, John Bear
Some 1
> Frankly, I did not reply to your
> comments about the doctorate Dr John
> Bear sold me from the London Institute
> for Applied Research because you are
> not Dr John Bear and you did not sell
> me the doctorate.
I didn't either, but I'd still like to know what you meant when you
wrote that it had served your purposes. What purposes were those? How
have you employed your "degree"?
> Now unless you were present with and
> acting in collusion with Dr Bear when he
> sold me my doctorate from the London
> Institute of Applied Research then you
> really have no part of this.
If you want to keep your conversations with Bear private, then e-mail
the gentleman. But if you post on a public newsgroup, then you invite
replies from all participants.
> I also notice that Dr John Bear himself
> is very keen not to discuss the legality
> of the degree he sold me from the
> London Institute of Applied Research in
> this public forum
Perhaps he doesn't want to be dragged into exchanges with trolls.
> yet someone (Some1) has just posted
> up telling me that the degree Dr John
> Bear sold me is in fact illegal in Oregon.
You told us that you had checked the Oregon website. Assuming that's
true, then you already knew all about the Oregon laws, didn't you?
> If that is the case, then Dr John Bear
> should post a rebuttal.
Why should he post a rebuttal? A rebuttal to what?
> I bought my doctorate from Dr John
> Bear precisely because he assured me
> that it legally conferred a doctoral title
> upon me.
I doubt that. You are either a complete idiot, or you know that
acquiring a toy "degree" doesn't make you a *real* doctor.
Even if it's the case that your toy "degree" was legally granted,
there's obviously no guarantee that you will be able to use it legally
everywhere and for every purpose. There is no real reason to believe
that anyone else will recognize it at all.
Even in Oregon, your possession of any phony "degree" you like is
perfectly legal. It's your USE of it that isn't.
John Hughes
Thank you for your input, but you are not Dr John Bear who is refusing
to answer my question himself.
Refusing to answer the question regarding the legality of the
doctorate he sold me from the London Institute for Applied Research is
precisely what you he is doing!
There are multiple examples of him posting up to this forum giving his
considered opinion that a degree from this or that source are illegal
for use in the State of Oregon and that the use of those degrees in
Oregon would result in the degree holder being prosecuted, fined and
even imprisoned.
Why is he now being so churlish and reticent in opining on the self
same subject when the degree concerned was sold by him and the
institution was owned by him at the time the degree was sold?
His approach concerning degrees not supplied by him has been to
willingly point to the Oregon legislation in this public forum. His
approach has not been to request the person to contact him privately
by mail.
In fact, I have not seen a single case, other than mine, where a
person has specifically requested the suitability of a given degree
for use in Oregon. It is HE that raised the question unsolicited.
Now, I am asking HIM to give HIS opinion publicly in this forum (as he
has freely done so with other degrees) as to the legality of the
degree that HE sold me from the London Institute for Applied Research,
under Oregon legislation.
I also expect HIM to address me with the courtesy of the doctoral
title to which HE assured me I was entitled when HE sold me the
*completely legal* doctorate from the London Institute for Applied
Research.
The fact that he seems reluctant to do either engenders suspicion.
user...@webtv.net (Some 1) wrote in message news:<21552-3EC...@storefull-2298.public.lawson.webtv.net>...
Thomas Nixon
London Institute for Applied Research, England
"In 1972, while living in England, John was involved in fund-raising for
a legitimate school. He figured that since major universities were
"selling" their honorary degrees for millions, why not use the same
approach on a small scale? He and his associates created L.I.A.R. and
ran ads in the U.S. reading 'Phony honorary doctorates for sale, $25.'"
A similar statement has been in Bears' Guides for more than 20 years. It
was a gag.
Now, Mr. Hughes, given the above, if you were ignorant enough to believe
that this was something that you could legally use at anytime or
anywhere, then I suggest you may want someone to start cutting up your
food for you. Please don't trust yourself with sharp instruments.
Tom Nixon
Demarche
>
> Why is he now being so churlish and reticent ...
My old Dad used to say, "Never argue with a stupid man, people may not
be able to tell the difference." Perhaps Dr. Bear has also heard this
expression. D
John Bear
John Hughes wrote:
> Refusing to answer the question regarding the legality of the
> doctorate he sold me from the London Institute for Applied Research is
> precisely what you he is doing!
Au contraire, Monsieur de Docteur. I have said, over and over, as clearly as I know how, that I will gladly respond
to you, by mail, in writing, at length, in detail, to your home or office address, if you will but provide same to
me.
John Bear
John Bear
--Never churlish and rarely reticent John
Rich Douglas
post. Quite illuminating.
Your little game with Bear is transparently stupid, and an extremely inept
attempt to discredit him. Laughable.
Rich Douglas
quisling
A novelty degree is just that - a novelty, and can be compared to, let's
say, play money. Play money is legal to sell. Just check out any toy
store. They have it, they sell it. If you take it from them without paying,
you get arrested.
It's legal to have. T-men don't watch you buy it and nab you on the way
out. Neither do they break down your door, confiscate it, and carry you off
to Leavenworth. It's legal to use. You can use it in stage productions,
movies, games, etc.
But I think Mr/Dr Hughes would be most interested in this part- where it's
illegal to use. It can't be passed as the real thing. Officials would
frown on that. Surely anyone with a novelty degree from a school whose
moniker is L.I.A.R. would know that.
"Rich Douglas" <hrpr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Rich Douglas
the only voice.
His motives are not at all related to L.I.A.R.
Rich Douglas
"quisling" <dpowe...@gamecocks.com> wrote in message
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John Hughes
Thank you for your input.
You must remember that these were not sold as *novelty* degrees.
Don't let the $25 price tag fool you.
In a adjusted dollars,the price would be about $200 today.
That is a lot to spend on a *novelty*.
The degrees were sold as being *completely legal* and on the
understanding that they legally conferred a doctoral title.
If the degree Dr John Bear sold me from the London Institute for
Applied Research is not legal for use in Oregon, then he should say so
publicly.
He is not reluctant to discuss the leaglity of degrees fom other
institutions in Oregon, why should he waver now that the question is
directed towards an institution that he owned and operated and degrees
that he sold?
He sold me (and a lot of other people) doctorate degrees on the
understanding that they legally conferred the title of Doctor.
He (Dr John Bear) should at least have the courtesy to respect the
title that HIS institution conferred upon me.
"quisling" <dpowe...@gamecocks.com> wrote in message news:<vch7hts...@corp.supernews.com>...
bigolehippie
Isn't it le doctuer?
Rich Douglas
>
> Thank you for your input.
>
> You must remember that these were not sold as *novelty* degrees.
Yes, they were.
>
> Don't let the $25 price tag fool you.
>
> In a adjusted dollars,the price would be about $200 today.
So?
>
> That is a lot to spend on a *novelty*.
Not really.
>
> The degrees were sold as being *completely legal* and on the
> understanding that they legally conferred a doctoral title.
Do you have any proof of this? Without it, you're just lying.
>
> If the degree Dr John Bear sold me from the London Institute for
> Applied Research is not legal for use in Oregon, then he should say so
> publicly.
Of course it isn't; it isn't a real degree.
>
> He is not reluctant to discuss the leaglity of degrees fom other
> institutions in Oregon, why should he waver now that the question is
> directed towards an institution that he owned and operated and degrees
> that he sold?
Why don't you write him directly and ask him?
>
> He sold me (and a lot of other people) doctorate degrees on the
> understanding that they legally conferred the title of Doctor.
Do you have proof of this? You haven't even demonstrated that you have a
L.I.A.R. diploma.
>
> He (Dr John Bear) should at least have the courtesy to respect the
> title that HIS institution conferred upon me.
You certainly don't act like you deserve such respect, regardless of the
source.
Everyone knows who you are now, "Mr. Hughes."
Rich Douglas
Randy Harris
>
> Thank you for your input.
>
> You must remember that these were not sold as *novelty* degrees.
>
> Don't let the $25 price tag fool you.
>
> In a adjusted dollars,the price would be about $200 today.
>
> That is a lot to spend on a *novelty*.
Let me see if I've got this right... You believed that you were purchasing
a legitimate doctoral degree for $25? From an institution named LIAR? With
no study, testing or thesis? And it made you legally a "doctor"? Have I
got this right so far?
By the way, if you wish to add some real legitimacey to your doctoral title
you should acquire a bridge. I can get one for you at a remarkable bargain
price. There are two to choose from, both are breathtakingly beautiful and
near the US port city of San Francisco. It will certainly gain you much
prestige and the admiration of all of you doctoral colleagues.
Some 1
newsgroup:
When Mr. "Hughes" posts his inevitable attacks on John Bear onto every
active thread, just reply to him on ONE THREAD. That way his bullshit
still gets responses, but every other topic isn't subverted by the
madness. It will still be possible to discuss distance education here.
So please: Only respond to him on one thread dedicated to his issues.
The readers of this group are adults. They see through "Hughes" with no
difficulty at all. They can easily ignore him. It's not necessary to
respond to him on every thread. Doing that makes it necessary to ignore
you too. And that's precisely "Hughes' " intention, isn't it?
The sane participants here represent themselves best by making
thoughtful and informative posts and simply by looking good in
comparison. That's a playing field where "Hughes" and his kind simply
can't compete.
Play your game, not his.
John Bear
Interestingly, it was two years ago that this group was pretty well
destroyed by postings like this -- including, come to think of it, one
using the same ISP as John Hughes (a large European one called Tiscali),
and even, come to think of it again, through the same Tiscali portal in
Manchester, England.
Surely a man who purports to have an authentic LIAR certificate would
never be veracity-challenged. But has anyone ever seen David Lane and John
Hughes in the same place at the same time?
Some 1 wrote:
> *
John Hughes
I am not attacking Dr John Bear,
I am simply requesting that he assures me publicly, in this forum that
he has used to pint out that degrees from other institutions can get
the holders prosecuted, fined and even imprisoned in Oregon, that the
doctorate degrees HE sold from the London Institute for Applied
Reaseach are legal for use in Oregon; hence their EXCULSION from the
*Oregon List*.
Why should Dr John Bear be happy to opine on the legality of other
degrees publicly but insist on opining only privately on those that he
himself sold?
user...@webtv.net (Some 1) wrote in message news:<21552-3EC...@storefull-2298.public.lawson.webtv.net>...
John Hughes
Your postings on this subject are becoming hysterical and desperate.
Do I understand you correctly?
You freely exercise the right to post up to this forum about the
legality of degrees in Oregon, yet REFUSE to post up to that same
forum to discuss the legality in Oregon of degrees YOU sold to people
from the London Institute for Applied Research?
You are refusing to answer the question regarding the legality of the
doctorate you sold me from the London Institute for Applied Research.
I want a public answer from you HERE in this public forum where YOU
broached the subject of the legality or otherwise of degrees in
Oregon.
There are multiple examples of you posting up to this forum giving
your considered opinion that degrees from this or that source are
illegal for use in the State of Oregon and that the use of those
degrees in Oregon would result in the degree holder being prosecuted,
fined and even imprisoned.
Why the sudden change now?
Now, I am asking YOU to give YOUR opinion publicly in this forum (as
you have freely done so with other degrees) as to the legality of the
degree that YOU sold me from the London Institute for Applied
Research, under Oregon legislation.
I also expect YOU to address me with the courtesy of the doctoral
title to which YOU assured me I was entitled when YOU sold me the
*completely legal* doctorate from the London Institute for Applied
Research.
The longer that you squirm and wriggle and try to remove your past
dealings in selling degrees from the public arena serves only to
reinforce the impression that you have something to hide.
John Bear <jo...@ursa.net> wrote in message news:<3EC845D2...@ursa.net>...
bigolehippie
Whoever you will be when you figure it out:
Dr Bear explained that honorary degrees are often conferred
for donations or to draw attention and are worthless as professional
indicators of preparation for academic or professional purposes. It
is improper to call oneself Dr. with an honorary degree. If
politician Joe Blow who is an ass hole can be conferred because he
supports funding then others who aren't ass holes can be conferred for
just that -- not being ass holes. For a donation. $200 is significant
for lunch money but typical traditional degrees often cost $40,000 on
up and require 4 or 5 years. This was about the worthlessness of
"honorary" degrees, a point you have missed. If you bought the degree
you can do the same thing others do with a doctorate THAT IS HONORARY.
Your point is fellatios, your reasoning spurious and you social
development severely impaired. Just saying it over and over and
covering your ears really doesn't work except in your pathetic, lonely
room. I'm sorry your mummy didn't love you but go down stairs and
work it out with her.
Patrick Morris, Ph.D.
On 19 May 2003 05:39:07 -0700, drjohn...@yahoo.com (John Hughes)
wrote:
Rich Douglas
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. (Repeat)
Rich Douglas
"John Hughes" <drjohn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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SA
>Makes sense to me.
>Interestingly, it was two years ago that this group was pretty well
>destroyed by postings like this -- including, come to think of it, one
>using the same ISP as John Hughes (a large European one called Tiscali),
>and even, come to think of it again, through the same Tiscali portal in
>Manchester, England.
Not that I agree with John Hughes, who is just a troll, but to credit
the likes of him for destroying this group is ridiculous. Trolls go
away if you ignore them!
What I find more disturbing is the level of maturity among the so
called " experts". A real class act guys!
If the truth be known, this group was in fact destroyed years ago by a
group of cyber-thugs called the "gang of six." Shame on you John Bear
for your scapegoating!
SA
MichiganJFrog2112
simple answer to his question from the man himself? Perhaps John
Hughes realizes that he risks a great deal in doing so by potentially
having his privacy invaded and having his background called into
question. Maybe John Hughes doesn't want a call to his employer.
Yes, his question may have been answered already, but John Hughes was
seeking not just the answer but the answer from John Bear himself.
What is amiss here is the fact that John Bear never backed down from
being taken to task in public, but his responses to these public
enquiries were themselves also offered in public and were indeed quite
detailed and candid to boot. Can't John Bear offer the same candor and
detail in this public forum as he always seems to have in the past in
this and other public forums?
francesca
John Hughes wrote:
> Dear Some1,
>
> I am not attacking Dr John Bear,
>
> I am simply requesting that he assures me publicly, in this forum that
> he has used to pint out that degrees from other institutions can get
> the holders prosecuted, fined and even imprisoned in Oregon, that the
> doctorate degrees HE sold from the London Institute for Applied
> Reaseach are legal for use in Oregon; hence their EXCULSION from the
> *Oregon List*.
>
> Why should Dr John Bear be happy to opine on the legality of other
> degrees publicly but insist on opining only privately on those that he
> himself sold?
>
I suggest you consult a public document "Bear's Guide to Earning Degrees
by Distance Learning," page 274. On that page you will find Dr. Bear's
assessment of the legitamacy of the degree you are inquiring about.
This book can be purchased at most bookstores or obtained from public
libraries. Considering that this book has a much greater circlation
then this forum, you should be more then satisified by just how public
this asseessmant is.
John Bear
I am not a public utility required to respond to everyone at all times.
And in general, I have no wish to communicate with people who write
anonymously, or using other than their real names, as I am now persuaded
the gentleman from Manchester is doing.
If I have something to say to the entire world, whether on my own
initiative or responding to an inquiry, I will gladly post it on a forum.
And if someone has a personal question, not (in my opinion) of general
interest, they can jolly well write me a letter, and enclose a
self-addressed stamped envelope (or, if from outside the US, two
international reply coupons), and I will respond, time permitting.
(Address in all my books, or Email me and I'll provide it.)
Say Hi to Mrs. Frog and all the tadpoles for me.
John Bear
And I choose,
Thomas Nixon
Rich Douglas
anonymity? Professionals and other good players don't act this way.
Anonymous posters deserve absolutely no consideration. John makes his
e-mail available; "John Hughes" can use that. It is clear that "John
Hughes" won't risk revealing his true self to anyone, including someone who
clearly would not abuse such a revelation. I think Dr. Bear's request is
reasonable, given "Mr. Hughes'" behavior.
Rich Douglas
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james1
I thought L.I.A.R Diplomas sold for $25.00. Not bad for thirty years
ago, if many sold.
I would say these were sold to get the MONEY.
I have always wondered how many of these illegal diplomas were
sold?????
James
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Ethiopian ear pickers - my elementary school teachers told me the only
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John Bear
james1 wrote:
> I thought L.I.A.R Diplomas sold for $25.00. Not bad for thirty years
> ago, if many sold.
> I would say these were sold to get the MONEY.
Indeed. As has always been made clear in books, to raise money for worthy causes. The two main
benefactors were the University of Montana scholarship program, and the British Association
for Gifted Children.
>
> I have always wondered how many of these illegal diplomas were
> sold?????
No illegal ones were sold.
bigolehippie
Yes, he wants his address. Free speech allows for all opinions and
positions but when you slander and harrass you cross the line. MR.
Hughes has crossed that line long ago and if he can make his point
hold then he should do so.
He has identified himself as Dr. Hughes -- not only not a doctorate
but probubly not Hughes. Impressive.
Patrick Morris, Ph.D.
On 20 May 2003 09:20:10 -0700, jdv...@netexecutive.com
John Bear
England, he seems to have either gone away or conceivably changed names.
Perhaps sometimes our near-total loss of privacy in the Internet age is a
blessing.
plumbdog10
I haven't seen this many words wasted on such a foolish topic since The
Bible Code was published.
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Les Center
I have found this a thoroughly fascinating thread. I must admit however
that John Hughes is now starting to sound like a broken record.
I too was a client of Dr. Bear 20 years ago (Hi Dr. Bear!) and I paid
him more than John Hughes paid to advise me on distance colleges that
met my profile. I was very pleased with that service, took his advice,
and all has been well ever since.
Methinks John Hughes wanted something for nothing, and although he knew
this was a bogus degree, he has chosen to be in denial and use it
professionally (and by all acounts has gotten away with it), and now
that Dr. Bear has said previously that this is a bogus degree Hughes
wants to cruxify Dr. Bear for something that appears to me be his
(Hughes) fault.
I think John Hughes needs to accept he has a bogus degree, accept he
has been pulling the wool over a bunch of eyes for a bunch of years,
and move on.
James1 does raise an interesting point however... what separates a
bogus degree (however tongue-in-cheek) from a bogus degree that has
more sinister overtones? I like to hear the answer to that.
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SnakeShow
Actually, this is quite interesting.
John Bear will, without hesitation, point out what degree's are not
excepted in Oregon, but when pressed to say the same about the LIAR
degrees he sold, he doesn't...
How hard would it be for John Bear to say "No, they are not legal in
Oregon. They are, in fact, illegal"?
It doesn't matter if it is "known fact", and everyone knows it. It's
about John Bear answering the question asked.
Why?
Because up until now, he hasn't and seemingly won't answer that simple
and known question.
I don't know anything about John Bear, but from what I have read about
him, and from what he has posted in these forums really paints an ill
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james1
Without a doubt L.I.A.R. was phoney and a poor choice by Dr. Bear, BUT
--- I believe that since the diploma was honorary, it is in fact legal.
I've purchased his books for years and have enjoyed them all. He is
indeed a colorful character. I often disagree with his opinions, but he
has given me many hours of entertainment. Because of him I've contacted
many unaccredited schools and have obtained several diplomas from
good/fair/terrible schools. I enjoyed them all. How boring it would be
if people like Dr. Bear couldn't sell his delightful, opinionated,
guides. Read what he says and think for yourself.
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OK, here goes an attempt to find some possible solution. Dr. John Hughs
has no business trying to use a bogus diploma. Dr. John Bear had no
business selling phoney diplomas. This whole situation stinks and
neither man should be proud to have participated in the transaction.
Now can we allow the past to be over and find some new dispute to argue
over. This one has grown stale. :)
James C.
John Bear
Les Center wrote:
> James1 does raise an interesting point however... what separates a
> bogus degree (however tongue-in-cheek) from a bogus degree that has
> more sinister overtones? I like to hear the answer to that.
The intent of the seller.
Person A advertises "Completely phony degree to amuse your friends."
Person B advertises "Fully accredited medical degrees enabling you to practice."
However the intent of the buyer cannot be known to the seller, a realization that became known to
me 30 years ago, which is why I stopped being Person A.
John Bear
james1 wrote:
> L.I.A.R was a phoney diploma.
And clearly advertised as such.
> You sold these for $25.00, a profit.
Which all, 100%, went to nonprofit causes.
> How
> is that different than tne phoney diplomas being sold right now.
Intent of seller.
But, as I may have mentioned before, I naively assumed that people who receive them in the
same spirit they were offered. A few did not. And that is why I stopped doing this thirty
years ago.
Thirty years!
John Bear
college.info."
Same answer I gave the person using the name "John Hughes" writing from Manchester, England:
I have already written out a detailed answer. Give me a name and address, and I will mail it to
you this very afternoon.
Love and kisses,
John Bear
John Bear
bigolehippie
Well a bogus DEGREE was initially intended to defraud and has some
system ( from idiotic to sophisticated )to make it appear "real".
This could be from registering the name to using phoney acreditation
to whatever.
One sold as a diploma ( where is the learning/earning) or "honorary"
or is done for fun ( Dr of Sexy) or satire ( honorary Dr of whatever
from LIAR of Forestal Academy of Knowledge and Experience)are apparent
anddo not defraud.
It was what it was and not what mr hughes demands that it be.
( Reference the thread and my reference to his need for professional
help).
PLM
bigolehippie
Ohh Dear GAWD, dont start THAT again!
bigolehippie
Sorry, Dr Bear did not send a phoney degree -- it was an honorary
diploma. MR Hughes ( unlikely to be his name) has been ranting and
that is the issue. PLM
bigolehippie
That's the point. You take the position of fraudulent person ( Hughes)
on the same level as an experienced and recognised professional. The
"honorary diploma" was not a degree and was clearly making fun of
institutions giving honorary degrees to contributor$. Mr Hughes knows
this and the whole other diatribe re Oregon, etc is irrelivent and an
excuse to attack what he isnt. PLM
Randy Harris
diploma was sold as a novelty. Selling it was not illegal, possessing it is
not illegal, in Oregon or anywhere else. Representing it as a valid degree,
however, would be illegal in Oregon, but that violation of law would be
strictly on the part of the person attempting to pass it off as valid and
have nothing to do with how it came into his possession. Bear never
represented it is a valid degree, he makes the point abundantly clear in his
books.
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John Hughes
I did not *disappear* from the internet, nor have I *changed my name*
as you implied. I have been busy reading internet postings which can
only be described as a MOUNTAIN of negative publicity about you and
the small group of people who defend you.
I came to this newsgroup unaware of the hatred a great deal of people
have for you. I am genuine, I have met you and my name IS John Hughes.
Last time we met, you may have remembered that I commented on how
much you sounded like the American actor Donald Sutherland.
As an ex customer of yours (you sold me a Doctorate Degree), I really
expected a more courteous response from you. This was not the case.
Instead, you accused me of being someone else, using a fake name and
refused to address me as Dr, at title which YOU assured me I was
legally entitled to use when you sold me the degree.
You have watched as your *supporters* attempted to make fun of me and
accuse me of not being called John Hughes.
As I am new to the internet, I came here to this forum on the
understanding that it was frequented by academics. Nothing could be
farther from the truth. This group seems to be frequented by a small
*clique* of people who exist only to lambaste anybody who has a
question or opinion that YOU Dr John Bear do not wish to hear.
You have acted in a wholly unethical manner not befitting one who
aspires to the description *academic*. I am appalled.
You have acted inconsistently in this public forum and entirely
without honour.
My last week of research about you shows this is not atypical of you
and your supporters.
I shall not be returning to this newsgroup Dr Bear, but I will leave
you with this warning.
My name is Dr John Hughes. If you post just ONE more message
implying that I am not who I say I am, I will gladly sue you for
libel.
P.S.
This warning applies to YOU only Dr John Bear, I am not interested in
what your anonymous *clique* has to say. Even though they (like you)
all work from PO Boxes, I know where YOU are.
P.P.S.
My thanks to those few genuine posters who have posted real
information about Oregon and its laws concerning degrees such as the
one Dr John Bear sold to me.
Putney
drjohn...@yahoo.com (John Hughes) wrote in
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John Bear
> I shall not be returning to this newsgroup Dr Bear, but I will leave
> you with this warning.
99% of the people who say, "I shall never post here again" cannot
restrain themselves.
Any side bets about how long before the gentleman from Manchester can
hold off?
dlkereluk
"John Bear" <jo...@ursa.net> wrote in message
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I'd rather invest in the stock market! :)
Darren.
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John Bear wrote:
You are correct. They are in my opinion legal, but phoney, and a
mistake in judgement.
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returning to this newsgroup...," so my question is, how would he know if you
posted something saying he was someone else?
Toonces51
"John Bear" <jo...@ursa.net> wrote in message
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>
>
John Bear
Well, at least's he something else, if not someone else.
bigolehippie
What gentleman? He will not stay away and he will not sue me for
calling him a fraud, liar, uneducated and mentally pathological.
Patrick Morris, Ph.D.
bigolehippie
You shall be known by your works. He will post the same pathetic
drivel and rant on -- he cant stop himself because he hates that
others have a lifa and he doesnt. PLM
On Thu, 29 May 2003 04:59:26 GMT, "Toonces51" <toon...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
Demarche
> But he didn't just say that he wasn't going to post, he said "I shall not be
> returning to this newsgroup...," so my question is, how would he know if you
> posted something saying he was someone else?
>
> Toonces51
>
james1
John Bear wrote:
> *
> > I shall not be returning to this newsgroup Dr Bear, but I will
> leave
> > you with this warning.
>
> 99% of the people who say, "I shall never post here again" cannot
> restrain themselves.
>
> Any side bets about how long before the gentleman from Manchester
> can
Nope, I can't afford to lose the money :)
Experiential
I have read this thread from beginning to end and referenced Usenet to
determine if this person has posted similar comments. It is safe to
assume that this individual has valid concerns, which certainly in his
opinion, need to be addressed.
From what I have read about and of John Bear, I find it curious that he
feels that posting a reply to this person’s questions should be a
private matter, when clearly Dr. Bear seems to be a man of certain
convictions. Anonymity by the poster could be for a variety of reasons
and not necessarily for the purpose of defaming the character of
another. The issue is whether his questions are valid.
An observation found from reading a number of posts within Usenet, it
appears that the same tactics are exhibited with anyone who questions
Dr. Bear’s credibility on any issue. Initially these individuals will
discredit the question, followed by discrediting the individual
himself. It also appears that it the same people throughout nearly all
threads. What I find most disturbing, is that it appears to be a
consorted effort to quash any dissention or negative comments regarding
Dr. Bear.
So that there is no misunderstanding, I am a member of John’s forum and
have conversed with Chip White a number of times. While I am a fan of
RA degrees, I do not presume to suggest that there are no other
alternatives to validate one’s intellectual prowess. As such, this
gentleman utilized a different path, which many may not agree with, but
was selected, based on the opinion of someone he held in high regard.
Now that it appears that this "method" is no longer acceptable, it is
dismissed not only by others, but by the person who initially offered
the advice. This is unwarranted and morally reprehensible, as none of
those making the claims were party to the transaction or
communication.
The questions were rather straightforward: 1) was the degree sold or
offered by Dr. Bear; 2) was it suggested that the degree was "legal";
and, 3) can the degree be used without fear of reprisal (criminal or
civil).
I don’t think that answering the questions outlined casts doubt on
John’s character, as conditions change over the years. However, to
refuse to answer the questions or in this case, to only answer the
questions in private, authenticates his allegations.
Lastly, IMHO, questions should be answered by the person they are
directed to and not by a certain group of individuals who act as
bodyguards. I’m very much a man with strong convictions and no one
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I'm sorry, but who elected you moderator?
By the way, "Experimental," what is your real name? You say you are "a
member of John's forum and have conversed with Chip White a number of
times." Because this is offered by you to establish your credibility, I'm
sure you won't mind answering. Many people who post on CHIP'S form (not
John's, as you mistakenly assert) use their real names. It helps establish
who we are and what we stand for.
As for the notion that everyone else but John should refrain from answering,
may I remind you that this is a public forum, and that the question about
L.I.A.R. was posted here? That leaves it to anyone and everyone to answer.
Including you, it would appear. So don't expect others to refrain.
The questions at hand have been asked and answered. To continue to ask them
over and over implies otherwise, and is disingenuous.
John has offered to answer the questions via e-mail, so that ought to do it.
Rich Douglas
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Thomas Nixon
Experiential wrote:
>
>So that there is no misunderstanding, I am a member of John’s forum and
>have conversed with Chip White a number of times.
>
I am not aware of any forum run by John Bear. Could you please point me
to where that might be?
Tom
Randy Harris
news:3EFCD332...@yahoo.com...
Tom, isn't that guy's drivel something that would be better ignored rather
than repeated?
james1
Experiential wrote:
> *I have read this thread from beginning to end and referenced Usenet
> to determine if this person has posted similar comments. It is safe
> to assume that this individual has valid concerns, which certainly in
> his opinion, need to be addressed.
>
> From what I have read about and of John Bear, I find it curious that
> he feels that posting a reply to this person’s questions should be a
> private matter, when clearly Dr. Bear seems to be a man of certain
> convictions. Anonymity by the poster could be for a variety of
> reasons and not necessarily for the purpose of defaming the character
> of another. The issue is whether his questions are valid.
>
> An observation found from reading a number of posts within Usenet, it
> appears that the same tactics are exhibited with anyone who questions
> Dr. Bear’s credibility on any issue. Initially these individuals will
> discredit the question, followed by discrediting the individual
> himself. It also appears that it the same people throughout nearly
> all threads. What I find most disturbing, is that it appears to be a
> consorted effort to quash any dissention or negative comments
> regarding Dr. Bear.
>
> fan of RA degrees, I do not presume to suggest that there are no
> other alternatives to validate one’s intellectual prowess. As such,
> this gentleman utilized a different path, which many may not agree
> with, but was selected, based on the opinion of someone he held in
> high regard. Now that it appears that this "method" is no longer
> acceptable, it is dismissed not only by others, but by the person who
> initially offered the advice. This is unwarranted and morally
> reprehensible, as none of those making the claims were party to the
> transaction or communication.
>
> The questions were rather straightforward: 1) was the degree sold or
> offered by Dr. Bear; 2) was it suggested that the degree was "legal";
> and, 3) can the degree be used without fear of reprisal (criminal or
> civil).
>
> I don’t think that answering the questions outlined casts doubt on
> John’s character, as conditions change over the years. However, to
> refuse to answer the questions or in this case, to only answer the
> questions in private, authenticates his allegations.
>
> Lastly, IMHO, questions should be answered by the person they are
> directed to and not by a certain group of individuals who act as
> bodyguards. I’m very much a man with strong convictions and no one
Dr. Bear has strong supporters,or groupies if you will. He is a
colorful man, and for years has entertained, and educated many, myself
included. I was troubled by his response and call for a private
conversation. He lives in the public eye, and criticizes others via the
public media, so should be held to account by the very method he uses.
He does have the right to refuse to respond without this making him
guilty of anything, as is true of the people he challenges publicly.
What's fair for the goose is fair for the gander, :) L.I.A.R. wasn't
really a serious degree mill, but was a poor choice. Since the degrees
issued were honorary I expect they are legal, if no attempt is made to
use them as an academic diploma. They shouldn't have been sold, but for
the most part, no harm done, and none intended. Yes, I agree that Dr.
Bear deserves to be treated as any other person, but please remember
that he didn't ask for the group help. He can defend himself very well,
when needed. I expect L.I.A.R. diplomas are about as good as most
honorary degrees, worthless pieces of paper. My opinion...
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Experiential wrote:
> *Lastly, IMHO, questions should be answered by the person they are
> directed to and not by a certain group of individuals who act as
> bodyguards. I’m very much a man with strong convictions and no one
> answers in my stead. Just a suggestion. *
Not that he needs it, but I will support John Bear anyday. I first
bought one of his books about a dozen years ago and have followed him
on forums for a couple years. He is one of the foremost contributors
to legitimate distance education.
Any complaints by anonymous cockroaches that scatter when the light
shines on them are suspect. Never met Dr. Bear, but I know him well
and I like what he does - well other than that circle dance thing.
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John Bear
Experiential wrote:
> The questions were rather straightforward: 1) was the degree sold or
> offered by Dr. Bear; 2) was it suggested that the degree was "legal";
> and, 3) can the degree be used without fear of reprisal (criminal or
> civil).
No, no, and no.
james1
John Bear wrote:
NO, how do you deny L.I.A.R.? "He ( John Bear ) figured that since
major universities were selling their honorary degrees for millions why
not use the same approach on a small scale? He and his associates
created L.I.A.R. and ran ads in the U.S. reading"Phoney honorary
doctorates for sale $25.00." You did operate a degree mill!!! This
quote comes from your own guide book. The answer to question number 1
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diplomas. They were then, and remain, pieces of paper. L.I.A.R. didn't
exist, and didn't pretend to exist.
The key is understanding the difference between a diploma and a degree. A
diploma is a piece of paper. A degree is a rank and title issued by an
institution of higher learning. No such institution was involved here.
Making any more of this than there is reveals an alternate agenda. No one
has any (ANY) independent information about L.I.A.R., other than what has
been provided by Bear. Based upon what he's written about the effort, it
cannot be reasonably concluded that degrees were sold. DIPLOMAS, yes. But
not degrees.
Rich Douglas
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doctorwhite
Greetings! I am doctorwhite and I thought I would try my hand at
authoring a reply on this here message post thing. I thik that it is
pitiful, just plain horse talk that anyone in thier (hopefully) right
mind could ever think that a "store Bought" degree or diploma could be
valid for an entire life's worth of usin'! In the 31 years you have
held this "legal" store bought diploma, has anyone ever asked you about
your credentials? It does not take a cornbread scientist to recognize
an "unrecognizable" institution. Besides, you must have been fairly
young (at least younger than you are now), then and you could have
"earned" a Doctorate degree many times over. So why cry and argue a
point so pointless. After 31 years i would say that it is time to let
go and move on! It toook you this long to figure aout that your Diploma
may be worthless? Were you livin' under a rock or just inbread?
I think maybe both aply to you sir! Whooo, I'd better get off now
because I am getting whinded.
Sincerely
Doctorwhite
Rich Douglas wrote:
> *Dear "Mr. Hughes,"
>
> Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. (Repeat)
>
> Rich Douglas
>
>
> "John Hughes" <drjohn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:a65d3055.0305...@posting.google.com...
> > Dear Dr John Bear,
> >
> > Your postings on this subject are becoming hysterical and
> desperate.
> >
> > Do I understand you correctly?
> >
> > You freely exercise the right to post up to this forum about the
> > legality of degrees in Oregon, yet REFUSE to post up to that same
> > forum to discuss the legality in Oregon of degrees YOU sold to
> people
> > from the London Institute for Applied Research?
> >
> > You are refusing to answer the question regarding the legality of
> the
> > doctorate you sold me from the London Institute for Applied
> Research.
> >
> > I want a public answer from you HERE in this public forum where
> YOU
> > broached the subject of the legality or otherwise of degrees in
> > Oregon.
> >
> > There are multiple examples of you posting up to this forum giving
> > your considered opinion that degrees from this or that source are
> > illegal for use in the State of Oregon and that the use of those
> > degrees in Oregon would result in the degree holder being
> prosecuted,
> > fined and even imprisoned.
> >
> > Why the sudden change now?
> >
> > Now, I am asking YOU to give YOUR opinion publicly in this forum
> (as
> > you have freely done so with other degrees) as to the legality of
> the
> > degree that YOU sold me from the London Institute for Applied
> > Research, under Oregon legislation.
> >
> > I also expect YOU to address me with the courtesy of the doctoral
> > title to which YOU assured me I was entitled when YOU sold me the
> > *completely legal* doctorate from the London Institute for Applied
> > Research.
> >
> > The longer that you squirm and wriggle and try to remove your past
> > dealings in selling degrees from the public arena serves only to
> > reinforce the impression that you have something to hide.
> >
> >
> >
> > John Bear <jo...@ursa.net> wrote in message
> news:<3EC845D2...@ursa.net>...[color=green]
> > > John Hughes wrote:
> > >[color=darkred]
> > > > Refusing to answer the question regarding the legality of the
> > > > doctorate he sold me from the London Institute for Applied
> Research is
> > > > precisely what you he is doing!
> > >
> > > Au contraire, Monsieur de Docteur. I have said, over and over,
> as[/color][/color]
> clearly as I know how, that I will gladly respond[color=green]
> > > to you, by mail, in writing, at length, in detail, to your home
> or[/color]
> office address, if you will but provide same to[color=green]
> > > me.
> > >
> > > John Bear[/color] *
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Airborne_Ranger
Now Rich is saying that John Bear did sell fake diploma's?
Is there a time frame on this?
Dave A
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Rich Douglas
Rich Douglas, Ph.D.
"Airborne_Ranger" <savage...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Jon
> diplomas. They were then, and remain, pieces of paper. L.I.A.R. didn't
> exist, and didn't pretend to exist.
>
By that token, Trinity College and University does not exist either, except
as a revenue generating idenity. (Although I agree, "LIAR" should have clued
the buyer into the fact it was a novelty item, and a funny one at that)
Rich Douglas
in the open--no representation that the diplomas represented actual degrees.
It does, however, point out the absurdity of awarding honorary degrees by
universities.
Rich Douglas, Ph.D.
"Jon" <j...@lettherebenospamdeism.org> wrote in message
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Airborne_Ranger
1. Congrats on the PhD.
2. My 2 copies of Bear's text date from the 90's - while I was the
defacto distance ed advisor in uniform in Tabuk, KSA. Your
"everything is there" comment is not what I'd expect from a PhD.
Dave A
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Rich Douglas
comes from Dr. Bear. The rest is speculation and interpretation.
Thanks for the gratuitous insult. True to form, I see.
Rich Douglas
james1
The rank or title came from the degree mill, L.I.A.R. John Bear started
this mill. The diploma was shipped from L.I.A.R., and represents what
John Bear sold. For him to deny what he sold is to do what Bill Clinton
did, "It depends on how you define the word IS". He sold them, and you
can't go back, and change history by playing around with words. He sold
phoney Diplomas that represented the degrees his ads described. The
people who bought them know what he did.
Thomas Nixon
Rich Douglas wrote:
Too bad, because it's true. The only source of information about L.I.A.R. comes from Dr. Bear. The rest is speculation and interpretation. Thanks for the gratuitous insult. True to form, I see. Rich Douglas
Tom
james1
If you want to know the title or degree, look on the front of the
diploma, in plain simple english it will say what it is. Bachelor's,
Master's or Doctorate- Doctorate was chosen for L.I.A.R., it sells
better. No degree mill exists as a real school. They are all operated
for money by individuals, as was L.I.A.R. There is no such thing as a
good degree mill, and no good reason for starting one. If there is a
good purpose to a degree mill, what is it?
Rich Douglas
degree and a diploma. No one buying a L.I.A.R. diploma was sold a degree.
This thread was started in order to take a cheap shot at someone. It has
been taken. The rest of this is much ado about nothing.
Rich Douglas, Ph.D.
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If the answer had been given in other than a disingenous manner there
would have been no post by me at all. When he answered no it would have
been taken to mean that he, Bear, did not sell these diplomas/degrees.
They were sold in ads as doctorates, described on the front of the
diplomas as doctorates, and Bear's guide calls them doctorates, and
places the school, L.I.A.R., in the degree mills section. These are
true statements or they are not!!!
Dennis Ruhl
james1 wrote:
> *If the answer had been given in other than a disingenous manner
> there would have been no post by me at all.*
Hasn't this ground been covered?
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If so, please share it. If not, it seems clear this is much ado about
nothing.
Rich Douglas, Ph.D.
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Dennis Ruhl wrote:
> *Hasn't this ground been covered? *
Yes!
james1
Rich -It's good to see that you are taking a more relaxed view of
unaccredited schools, or is this a one time only exemption from
chastisement? I guess you are correct, it is much ado about nothing.
Rich Douglas
schools. Nor do you know how or if they've changed over time. Finally,
none of that is relevant since we're not talking about degrees and schools.
Rather, this is a stupid discussion about a fundraising effort 30 years ago
that involved selling novelty diplomas, the subject of which distorted for
another purpose.
Who are you and what do you stand for?
Rich Douglas, Ph.D.
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Applied Research, more than 30 years ago. The ad ran once in Signature Magazine and once in
Moneysworth. The text surely belies the statements of the people writing under the name of
"Hughes" and "James1" and others.
The text begins thus. The headline is quite large.
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TOTALLY PHONY HONORARY DEGREE FOR SALE
to raise money for a worthy charity
There is a tried and true tradition in the world of great universities: make a substantial
donation and be given an honorary doctorate.
Now, instead of the millions that people have donated to schools like Harvard and Oxford in
order to get an honorary degree, a donation of a mere $25 will get you a far more
impressive-looking, and just as worthless, certificate from L.I.A.R., the totally fictitious
and utterly non-existent London Institute for Applied Research.
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james1
John Bear wrote:
> *I have managed to find one of the original ads that ran for LIAR,
> the London Institute for
> Applied Research, more than 30 years ago. The ad ran once in
> Signature Magazine and once in
> Moneysworth. The text surely belies the statements of the people
> writing under the name of
> "Hughes" and "James1" and others.
>
> The text begins thus. The headline is quite large.
>
> TOTALLY PHONY HONORARY DEGREE FOR SALE
> to raise money for a worthy charity
>
> There is a tried and true tradition in the world of great
> universities: make a substantial
> donation and be given an honorary doctorate.
>
> Now, instead of the millions that people have donated to schools like
> Harvard and Oxford in
> order to get an honorary degree, a donation of a mere $25 will get
> you a far more
> impressive-looking, and just as worthless, certificate from L.I.A.R.,
> the totally fictitious
> and utterly non-existent London Institute for Applied Research.
>
> *
Phoney diplomas, title doctorate- $25.00- Honest answer= "YES" Just as
I said.
Who am I, one who remembers the where, when and how things were done
and said, and intends that there be no reconstruction of history or
double standards used. I intend to make sure all get treated the same
or at least point out the hypocrisy.
Rich Douglas
representations otherwise.
BTW, the diplomas weren't "phoney." They were real. But as anyone can see,
nothing was said to indicate that these were degrees.
Ignore it, twist it, all you want. But you're wrong.
Rich Douglas, Ph.D.
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