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Andrea

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May 2, 2003, 12:01:08 PM5/2/03
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I'm currently looking into doing a Masters degree in IT via distance
learning. I came across the MSIT-SE (Masters in IT, Software Engineering
speciality) from Carnegie Mellon and was wondering if anyone here could give
me some advice on it.

I have some specific questions:

* Can I actually achieve a Masters completely at a distance? The website is
a little confusing, and at times implies that while courses may be taken at
a distance, you are required to enrol on campus in order to qualify for the
degree.

* How are the courses examined? Purely by coursework and assignments, or
would I have to go somewhere to sit an exam?

* What are the typical GRE scores required for entrance?

Any other comments on quality of the course, alternative suggestions etc
would be gratefully received.

Thanks and regards,
Andrea

vrth4hqlr4l001 at sneakemail dot com


Phlip

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May 2, 2003, 1:09:42 PM5/2/03
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Andrea sez:


> I'm currently looking into doing a Masters degree in IT via distance
> learning. I came across the MSIT-SE (Masters in IT, Software Engineering

> speciality) from Carnegie Mellon...

I thought Carnegie Mellon was a "real" university, and that such
universities (generally) did not dilute their prestige via distance
learning.

Is this >really< Carnegie Mellon??

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Andrea

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May 2, 2003, 1:19:52 PM5/2/03
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"Phlip" <phli...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Andrea sez:
>
>
> > I'm currently looking into doing a Masters degree in IT via distance
> > learning. I came across the MSIT-SE (Masters in IT, Software
Engineering
> > speciality) from Carnegie Mellon...
>
> I thought Carnegie Mellon was a "real" university, and that such
> universities (generally) did not dilute their prestige via distance
> learning.
>
> Is this >really< Carnegie Mellon??

Yes. Here's the link.

http://www.distance.cmu.edu/

Andrea


Richard Kanarek

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May 2, 2003, 3:02:00 PM5/2/03
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Greetings.

Regarding your recent post:

On 02 May 2003 17:09:42 GMT, "Phlip" <phli...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>I thought Carnegie Mellon was a "real" university, and that such
>universities (generally) did not dilute their prestige via distance
>learning.

Did you "think"? If so, when did you, and why did you stop? <g>

A few scurrilous distance degree providers (random sampling,
undergraduate and/or graduate degrees):
Rochester Institute of Technology:
http://distancelearning.rit.edu/
Ohio University:
http://www.ohiou.edu/independent/
University of North Dakota:
http://gocubs.conted.und.nodak.edu/dist_engr/

Cordially,
Richard Kanarek

A slightly more complete list of schools with distance degree programs
might be found in the book "Bears' Guide to Earning Degrees by
Distance Learning." Caution: if you look up the book on Amazon.com,
you'll discover that they (currently?) don't sell it, but they provide
you with links to phoney degree mills instead. BN.com does sell the
new edition (2003), but they display an older edition (2000) first.

Richard Kanarek

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May 2, 2003, 3:22:05 PM5/2/03
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Correction: The degree mills Amazon.com recommends are real. <g>

Andrea

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May 2, 2003, 3:34:28 PM5/2/03
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"Richard Kanarek" <FirstInitial...@spamcop.net> wrote in message
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> On 02 May 2003 17:09:42 GMT, "Phlip" <phli...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >I thought Carnegie Mellon was a "real" university, and that such
> >universities (generally) did not dilute their prestige via distance
> >learning.
>
> Did you "think"? If so, when did you, and why did you stop? <g>

My sentiments exactly ;-)

> A slightly more complete list of schools with distance degree programs
> might be found in the book "Bears' Guide to Earning Degrees by
> Distance Learning." Caution: if you look up the book on Amazon.com,
> you'll discover that they (currently?) don't sell it, but they provide
> you with links to phoney degree mills instead. BN.com does sell the
> new edition (2003), but they display an older edition (2000) first.

Funny, I found it without any trouble on Amazon.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1580084311/qid=1051903511/sr=8
-1/ref=sr_8_1/102-0217318-0576150?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

Thanks for your help, Richard.

Andrea

Phlip

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May 2, 2003, 6:47:18 PM5/2/03
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Richard Kanarek sez:

> Correction: The degree mills Amazon.com recommends are real. <g>

With such a stickler on board I feel better already. <G>

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Phlip


Richard Kanarek

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May 5, 2003, 2:44:39 AM5/5/03
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Dear Andrea:

Greetings.

If you check carefully, you'll notice that Amazon.com isn't selling
The Bears' Guide; some entrepreneurs using Amazon.com are. A minor
point perhaps, but if one can't be pedantic on an education forum,
where can one? <g>


Cordially,
Richard Kanarek


P.S. And howdy to you too, Phlip!


On Fri, 2 May 2003 20:34:28 +0100, "Andrea" <dont...@spamcop.net>
wrote:

Eduenews

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May 5, 2003, 10:56:44 AM5/5/03
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The Carnegie-Mellon master's program may only be open to corporate cohorts at
selected sites. Check the free guidebook--

GetEducated.com's Best Distance Learning Graduate Schools, Technology 2003.
Download free at http://www.geteducated.com/bdlgs_tech.htm. The guidebook
profiles (gives residencies and GRE requirements and tuition costs as well) on
more than 150 accredited distance degree options.

The guidebook is available at no cost from GetEducated.com.


Rich Roberge

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May 15, 2003, 1:09:13 PM5/15/03
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Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute offers several Masters completely online.
They were recently ranked 30th in the top US universities offering
engineering/computer science programs. They have been providing distance
learning programs for many years. This is a top notch school. One of the
best features is that their DL programs mimic their on-campus programs. The
website is http://www.rsvp.rpi.edu/. Another option is Cal State Chico.
Their website is http://rce.csuchico.edu/cen/. Their program as wwell is as
their on campus, and the advising, delivery and support is excellent. Good
luck,


Rich

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Rich Roberge

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May 15, 2003, 1:09:48 PM5/15/03
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I thought Carnegie Mellon was a "real" university, and that such
> universities (generally) did not dilute their prestige via distance
> learning.

If that's what you think what are you doing in this group..?

Anyhow, most of the highest ranked (real as you say) universities
(Regionally Accredited and all) are providing some type of distance
programs, mostly graduate. The technical and engineering degrees are more
popular because students with these backgrounds have less problems with the
technical side of distance programs. To name a few of these universities:

Georgia Tech, MIT, Stanford, Rensselaer Polytechnic,

Rich

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Willard Thompson

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May 16, 2003, 10:03:16 AM5/16/03
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"Andrea" <dont...@this.address> wrote in message news:<nBwsa.419$qu3...@newsfep3-gui.server.ntli.net>...

Would universities employ test centers throughout the world, say
prometric or sylvan etc. to test students? Because I don't know of
any other "legitimate" way to not only verify identity but to avert
cheating during exams, etc. Maybe identification can be achieved via
live video etc. right in your own home but the other issues still
remain...

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Mark Israel

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May 16, 2003, 11:05:21 AM5/16/03
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> Would universities employ test centers throughout the world, say
> prometric or sylvan etc. to test students?

Proctored exams are common, but universities don't employ the
test centers. It is the student's responsibility to find a proctor
(e.g., a faculty member at the testing center of a nearby
university, or a counselor at a nearby high school). The proctor
fills out a form, and then the university offering the exam
approves the choice of proctor and sends him the exam.

My wife has taken proctored exams at a high school in San Diego,
and (from 3 different universities) at Harvard Extension School.

> Because I don't know of any other "legitimate" way to not only
> verify identity but to avert cheating during exams, etc.

Neither do I. There are many distance learning courses with no
proctored exams, and I'm concerned about that.

james1

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May 20, 2003, 8:44:06 AM5/20/03
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People cheat and copy others work in residence schools everyday. Of
course that will also occur in distance learning situations also. If a
school decides to be a part of distance learning they must accept that
some will do it the easy way, just as they always have. I see no reason
to make the majority of people pay for the slackers poor efforts by
being forced to prove their honesty. Distant learners live everywhere.
Often finding willing proctors or getting to a testing center can be a
problem. If the work is valid and the material solid learning will
occur. That's about all one can expect.
James

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