No more French for me (except in France!)
Mark Rogers
I thought I'd let a few of you know that I'll be leaving the A320 in the
next few months. This week, I was awarded a 777 first officer bid, and am
planning a move to the east coast this summer. I plan on concentrating
mostly on European flying, although my initial assignment does have flights
to South America and Asia (China). It should be interesting, and a bit of a
change from PHL, ATL, and MSY. I will probably go to training sometime
between April and the end of the summer, depending on staffing needs on both
the A320 and 777.
--Mark Rogers
devil
I suppose congratulations are in order?
h lem
I guess congrats are appropriate!
Just one thing to remember. Don't try to squeeze the 777 into that 320 gate
:-))
Howard.
ITRADE
Mark Rogers <mmro...@tcsn.net> wrote in message
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Rich
JF Mezei
>
> I thought I'd let a few of you know that I'll be leaving the A320 in the
> next few months. This week, I was awarded a 777 first officer bid, and am
> planning a move to the east coast this summer.
No ! No ! You can't do this to us !. We need and want you as a A320 pilot !
Have you decided which city you'll be living in ? How does your wife feel
about the move ?
Congratulation on the promotion. Or is this to be considered a defection to
Boing ?
> I plan on concentrating
> mostly on European flying, although my initial assignment does have flights
> to South America and Asia (China).
By moving to the eastern USA, isn't your carreer more likely to be disrupted
by the US Air acquisition ? Whould you, as a pilot, know more about your
airline's true intentions with regards to how the other airline will be
integrated and what planes will be used and which will be disposed of?
W Yu
Rogers" <mmro...@tcsn.net> wrote:
Congratulations Mark!
Best of luck in your training. Hope to see you Captain a B777 soon! ;)
--
Weiyun
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<RD...@prodigy.net> wrote:
I can't think of any city on the East Coast that can rival San
Francisco. I bet it'll be a hard decision...
sno...@minneapolis.com
Mark!
Congratulations on moving on up to the 777. Let us know how the training goes
and how you like the 777.
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skinny 'bout the Boeing like we're used to with your posts on the 'bus.
FH
"Mark Rogers" <mmro...@tcsn.net> wrote in message
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>
Richard Hyde
Mark Rogers wrote:
> This week, I was awarded a 777 first officer bid
Congratulations and well done!
Cheers,
Rick
sjoerd
> I can't think of any city on the East Coast that can rival San
> Francisco. I bet it'll be a hard decision...
Come on: New York is on-par or even slightly nicer than SF. IMHO, of
course.
Sjoerd
Deborah Stevenson
Oh, cool, Mark--it's going to be fun to hear 777 tidbits! Hope Mrs. Mark
thinks this is just dandy, too.
Deborah Stevenson
(stev...@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu)
Bob Vandiver
Depends Sjoerd. certainly NY has it for diverse urban experiences and
general calamity but SF is aesthetically in a league of its own and the
food is comparable to NY.
NY beats it for Theater, graffitti and rat habitats!
Bob
--
"Come the millennium, month 12, In the home of greatest power, the
village idiot will come forth to be acclaimed the leader."
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Mark Rogers
"ITRADE" <RD...@prodigy.net> wrote in message
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My thanks to all who offered congratulations. My goal is to be IAD based,
but there haven't been any bids for a while. I therefore took a bid at ORD,
and will commute from the D.C. area for a hopefully short period of time.
ORD should be interesting, anyway, with flying to Sao Paulo and Beijing
(plus Europe).
--Mark Rogers
Mark Rogers
"sjoerd" <sjoerd...@xs4all.nl> wrote in message
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It's actually a very difficult thing for me to leave San Francisco. I like
New York, but I'd much rather visit than live there. I'd put San Francisco
far ahead of NY, mostly because of the people, ocean, parks, hills,
architecture, and weather (plus my friends live here!). The restaurants and
cultural things I like to do are probably pretty similar, although I'll miss
the restauarants when I move to Virginia. I may come back to California at
some point, but it will be the East Coast for the next five years or so, at
least. I'm making the move because it's important to me to have an
opportunity to fly to Europe, and the price of housing is very inticing
compared to SF.
--Mark Rogers
Mark Rogers
"JF Mezei" <jfmezei...@videotron.ca> wrote in message
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> Mark Rogers wrote:
> >
> > I thought I'd let a few of you know that I'll be leaving the A320 in the
> > next few months. This week, I was awarded a 777 first officer bid, and
am
> > planning a move to the east coast this summer.
>
>
> No ! No ! You can't do this to us !. We need and want you as a A320 pilot
!
No worries, JF, I bet I'll still remember a thing or two about the A320.
Plus, I've save the manual for your sake. :) Regardless, it could be many
months before I go to training.
> Have you decided which city you'll be living in ?
Not yet - we'll rent for a time to decide where we want to live, but it will
be the Virginia/Maryland area.
> How does your wife feel
> about the move ?
She's from the East Coast originally (PHL area), and is thrilled.
> By moving to the eastern USA, isn't your carreer more likely to be
disrupted
> by the US Air acquisition ? Whould you, as a pilot, know more about your
> airline's true intentions with regards to how the other airline will be
> integrated and what planes will be used and which will be disposed of?
I know some things, but I still don't know what the ultimate effect of all
of this will be. I can't change any of it, so I simply bid what I want to
do, and we'll see how it works out.
--Mark Rogers
W Yu
Rogers" <mmro...@tcsn.net> wrote:
What other choices would you have on UA's network? Would ORD offer
enough opportunities for a budding B777 pilot? What other hub choices
could you have?
R J Carpenter
> although I'll miss the restauarants when I move to Virginia.
Maybe, maybe not. The range of restaurants in the DC area is now very
broad, dozens of cultures are represented.
There is a large community of Chinese, of Koreans, and of Indians;
enough to demand "the real thing" in terms of restaurants. This in
addition to usual French and other European brands, some first quality.
We have a lot of South / Central Americans, and Africans, but I'm not
sure they are yet rich enough to support many "good" ethnic
restaurants. Not many Mexicans. A few middle-eastern restaurants.
Bob C.
Chris Stone
Spiller
JF Mezei wrote:
>
> By moving to the eastern USA, isn't your carreer more likely to be disrupted
> by the US Air acquisition ? Whould you, as a pilot, know more about your
> airline's true intentions with regards to how the other airline will be
> integrated and what planes will be used and which will be disposed of?
The 777s will stay. It;s the US A330s that will be going.
Spiller
Mark Rogers wrote:
> I thought I'd let a few of you know that I'll be leaving the A320 in the
> next few months. This week, I was awarded a 777 first officer bid, and am
Gee, going back to flying with a yoke and contrl surface feedback (even if it's
artificially induced).
JF Mezei
> No worries, JF, I bet I'll still remember a thing or two about the A320.
> Plus, I've save the manual for your sake. :) Regardless, it could be many
> months before I go to training.
In the event that your airline might buy some A380s, would your past
experience with the A320 give you any edge when applying to move from the 777
to the A380 ?
Where would pilots for the A380 come from ? Only from the 747 ranks, or would
some come from 747, 777 and even A330 ?
Also, would the 777 and A330 be considered similar in terms of payscale, or
would the A330 be considered a demotion from a 777 ?
> Not yet - we'll rent for a time to decide where we want to live, but it will
> be the Virginia/Maryland area.
If you're based in ORD, and drive the 777 to China or south america, how often
would you be commuting between Virginia and ORD ?
> She's from the East Coast originally (PHL area), and is thrilled.
What does she not like about San Francisco ? I thought it was more or less the
best city to be in the USA ?
JF Mezei
> Maybe, maybe not. The range of restaurants in the DC area is now very
> broad, dozens of cultures are represented.
But won't they all become texas restaurants for the next 4 years ? :-) :-) :-)
:-) :-) ;-) :-)
ITRADE
Spiller <spi...@ome.com> wrote in message news:3A8EF301...@ome.com...
Rich
ITRADE
R J Carpenter <rca...@erols.com> wrote in message
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are the biggies right about now. As Bob alluded, D.C. types love to eat out
(combination of the fact that the power meal is big and the fact that after
working your tail off, nobody wants to stay at home and cook). D.C. women
are infamous for being lousy cooks - per Washingtonian Magazine.
Rich
Chris Flynn
wrote:
>I thought I'd let a few of you know that I'll be leaving the A320 in the
<etc>
Welcome back.
Your round.
Dena
Mark Rogers wrote:
> I thought I'd let a few of you know that I'll be leaving the A320 in the
> next few months. This week, I was awarded a 777 first officer bid, and am
> planning a move to the east coast this summer. I plan on concentrating
> mostly on European flying, although my initial assignment does have flights
> to South America and Asia (China). It should be interesting, and a bit of a
> change from PHL, ATL, and MSY. I will probably go to training sometime
> between April and the end of the summer, depending on staffing needs on both
> the A320 and 777.
>
> --Mark Rogers
ERIKG3
>next few months. This week, I was awarded a 777 first officer bid
Congratulations on returning to piloting a airplane that is purchased with cash
up front!
And one WITHOUT slamming toilet seats!
Hope to ride with you someday.
-Erik
ERIKG3
>enough opportunities for a budding B777 pilot? What other hub choices
>could you have?
PIT, PHL, BWI and CLT???
;-)
-Erik
ERIKG3
>> broad, dozens of cultures are represented.
No more Hot Shoppes though, dammit!
How about Roy Rogers, is it still good?
-Erik
Mark Rogers
"W Yu" <wei...@mac.com.REMOVE> wrote in message
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> What other choices would you have on UA's network? Would ORD offer
> enough opportunities for a budding B777 pilot? What other hub choices
> could you have?
777 domiciles include JFK, IAD, MIA, ORD, SEA, SFO, and LAX. There's always
a rumor that DEN will soon be added.
--Mark Rogers
Mark Rogers
>
> > although I'll miss the restauarants when I move to Virginia.
>
> Maybe, maybe not. The range of restaurants in the DC area is now very
> broad, dozens of cultures are represented.
I probably wasn't being very clear. From my place in San Francisco, I can
easily walk to a large number of restaurants, including Thai, Cuban, East
African, Middle Eastern, Indian, etc. I don't anticipate moving anywhere
where these types of restaurants are easily within walking distance,
although I'm sure there are places in D.C. that have many restaurants close
by. I just probably won't be there, and will therefore miss that aspect of
what I have here.
--Mark Rogers
Mark Rogers
> Mark Rogers wrote:
> In the event that your airline might buy some A380s, would your past
> experience with the A320 give you any edge when applying to move from the
777
> to the A380 ?
It wouldn't give me an edge in getting a bid, but it would probably make the
class easier.
> Where would pilots for the A380 come from ? Only from the 747 ranks, or
would
> some come from 747, 777 and even A330 ?
Hard to say, but I'm sure they'd come from a number of different fleets.
> Also, would the 777 and A330 be considered similar in terms of payscale,
or
> would the A330 be considered a demotion from a 777 ?
I believe the A330 is being considered as something between the 767 and 777,
although closer to the 777. Pay rates here are based primarily on weight,
and while the A330 has a similar seating configuration to the 777, the
weight is actually closer to at 767. I'd still expect they'll end up with
similar pay rates and seniorities.
> If you're based in ORD, and drive the 777 to China or south america, how
often
> would you be commuting between Virginia and ORD ?
Once, maybe twice a week.
> > She's from the East Coast originally (PHL area), and is thrilled.
>
> What does she not like about San Francisco ? I thought it was more or less
the
> best city to be in the USA ?
She likes San Francisco very much, but would also enjoy moving back to the
east coast. There are also some things you can't do in San Francisco if
you've spent less than about $1.5 million for a house, like having a washer
and dryer.
--Mark Rogers
Mark Rogers
Nope, the 330s are also staying. At least for a number of years.
--Mark Rogers
Mark Rogers
Yeah, but now I have to see if I still remember how to trim. :)
--Mark Rogers
Dan Larsen
> Yeah, but now I have to see if I still remember how to trim. :)
What's that? I hear a lot of old timers say that young pilots aren't
taught to properly trim anymore, but nobody's ever elaborated on exactly
what that means :)
--Dan
JF Mezei
> What's that? I hear a lot of old timers say that young pilots aren't
> taught to properly trim anymore, but nobody's ever elaborated on exactly
> what that means :)
Well, young pilots don't have body hair to bother with trimming, so they have
very little experience with it. :-) :-)
a...@wxs.nl
>
>I thought I'd let a few of you know that I'll be leaving the A320 in the
>next few months. This week, I was awarded a 777 first officer bid, and am
>planning a move to the east coast this summer. I plan on concentrating
>mostly on European flying, although my initial assignment does have flights
>to South America and Asia (China). It should be interesting, and a bit of a
>change from PHL, ATL, and MSY. I will probably go to training sometime
>between April and the end of the summer, depending on staffing needs on both
>the A320 and 777.
>
>--Mark Rogers
>
>
>
>
Eek, you're going back to Boeings? Are you sure that's promotion? :-)
Never mind the French, just learn a bit of Dutch for when you are
doing the 946. Even those NW pilots can manage a few words whilst
steering their rusty old DC10s in to AMS.
R J Carpenter
>
> I probably wasn't being very clear. From my place in San Francisco, I can
> easily walk to a large number of restaurants, including Thai, Cuban, East
> African, Middle Eastern, Indian, etc. I don't anticipate moving anywhere
> where these types of restaurants are easily within walking distance,
Yes you can.
You can live in a nice area just west of central Bethesda (as my
cousin's brother-in-law did) and be within walking distance of more than
50 (honest) mostly ethnic restaurants in the Woodmont Triangle [bordered
Wisconsin Ave, Old Georgetown Rd, and Battery Lane]. It's best to live
nearby, since evening parking is difficult. The houses just east of
Wisc Ave are smaller and cheaper (1938-1950 vintage], but in a perfectly
OK neighborhood - and yes w/ washers and driers. I lived in that area
around 1960. The Bethesda - Chevy Chase area is prime residential
territory. Resale houses in the DC area almost always include all major
appliances. There are also quite a few appartments just east of the Wisc
/ Old G't'n intersection - which you might consider. [mostly East-West
Highway addresses].
There is a Metro station at the corner of Wisc and Old G't'n.
And to Erik, there aren't many Roy Rogers left, since the Marriotts sold
the franchiser and the new owners wanted to cut them off. AFAIK, they're
still OK. The last Hot Shoppes cafeteria closed about a year ago - but
there's still Sholl's in the downtown financial district. Real food,
inexpensively.
Oh, and don't bother learning Dutch, they ALL know English [;-) to
"ajc"]. French will be more useful.
Bob Carpenter
Wayne
>From: R J Carpenter rca...@erols.com
>Date: 2/18/01 11:10 AM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <3A8FF4...@erols.com>
>
>And to Erik, there aren't many Roy Rogers left, since the Marriotts sold
>the franchiser and the new owners wanted to cut them off.
Believe it or not, Lessburg, Va has two (2) Roy Rodgers in the town.
Yikes!
Wayne
ITRADE
> Mark Rogers wrote:
> >
SNIP
> And to Erik, there aren't many Roy Rogers left, since the Marriotts sold
> the franchiser and the new owners wanted to cut them off. AFAIK, they're
> still OK. The last Hot Shoppes cafeteria closed about a year ago - but
> there's still Sholl's in the downtown financial district. Real food,
> inexpensively.
>
Roy Rogers. I think the only one left that I know of is the own at South
Lakes Shopping Center (strip mall) in Reston. They just closed the closest
one - on Columbia Pike. But, yes, they are disappearing into the sunset but
fast.
Rich
ITRADE
Dan Larsen <bad...@seas.gwu.edu> wrote in message
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day...... Ah, the joys of FS2000.
Rich
Nik.
take so much time that you will not be able continue to poste some of the
best and most educational stuff in this group for us non-profesionals!
Nik
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Kenneth Crudup
W Yu <wei...@mac.com.REMOVE> says:
>I can't think of any city on the East Coast that can rival San Francisco.
... I*Y*O.
-Kenny, who can think of about 10
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Mark Rogers
<a...@wxs.nl> wrote in message news:3a8f972c...@news.wxs.nl...
> >
> Eek, you're going back to Boeings? Are you sure that's promotion? :-)
> Never mind the French, just learn a bit of Dutch for when you are
> doing the 946. Even those NW pilots can manage a few words whilst
> steering their rusty old DC10s in to AMS.
Well, I speak German, and Dutch is just really badly misspelled German, so I
should be fine. Of course, that's also my theory for France - if I speak
German first to the French, they'll be more than happy to switch to English
and speak to me. :) One can hope at least. If that fails, I'll just talk
louder and slower.
--Mark Rogers
Mark Rogers
"Dan Larsen" <bad...@seas.gwu.edu> wrote in message
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It usually means that you shouldn't be trying to fly the airplane with trim,
as Rich did when he used FS2000. :) The Airbus doesn't have any trim
switches, and there's no need to trim the aircraft after the takeoff setting
(in your best French accent, repeat "It is automatic").
--Mark Rogers
Mark Rogers
> Yes you can.
>
> You can live in a nice area just west of central Bethesda (as my
> cousin's brother-in-law did) and be within walking distance of more than
> 50 (honest) mostly ethnic restaurants in the Woodmont Triangle [bordered
> Wisconsin Ave, Old Georgetown Rd, and Battery Lane]. It's best to live
> nearby, since evening parking is difficult.
That's really one of the reasons I'm going to rent for a while. As much as
I love San Francisco, it gets a bit old when you can't drive to the grocery
store to get milk without having to worry about parking. That's why I think
I may be ready to live outside of the congestion of a city, which would mean
fewer things within walking distance. I guess I'll see how much I miss the
convienences and benefits of city living, compared to the benefits of space
and parking. The best place I've lived so far is actually San Luis Obispo,
which would probably be the place I would return to in California if we
decide to come back.
--Mark Rogers
BrianM
Mark Rogers wrote in message ...
>
>
>Well, I speak German, and Dutch is just really badly misspelled German, so
I
>should be fine.
Be careful with words beginning sch...
Martin Stahl
Nik. <{mnje...@netvigator.com}> schrieb in Nachricht
<96oqbk$qt...@imsp212.netvigator.com>...
>Congratulations. Well done. I hope your new job and your training
will not
>take so much time that you will not be able continue to poste some
of the
>best and most educational stuff in this group for us
non-profesionals!
>
consider doing it at the next r.t.a. meeting in Frankfurt. ;-))) Now
there might be a reason to hold one there. :-)
My congratulations to you, Mark!
Martin
JF Mezei
> That's really one of the reasons I'm going to rent for a while. As much as
> I love San Francisco, it gets a bit old when you can't drive to the grocery
> store to get milk without having to worry about parking.
Bicycle.
> That's why I think
> I may be ready to live outside of the congestion of a city, which would mean
> fewer things within walking distance.
Bicycle.
> and parking. The best place I've lived so far is actually San Luis Obispo,
Where they had the 1984 Olympic BICYCLE road race.
Robin Johnson
>
>I thought I'd let a few of you know that I'll be leaving the A320 in the
>next few months. This week, I was awarded a 777 first officer bid, and am
>planning a move to the east coast this summer. I plan on concentrating
>mostly on European flying, although my initial assignment does have flights
>to South America and Asia (China). It should be interesting, and a bit of a
>change from PHL, ATL, and MSY. I will probably go to training sometime
>between April and the end of the summer, depending on staffing needs on both
>the A320 and 777.
>
>-
Congratulations! We're all envious as hell!
Let us know some of your reactions to the different ways Airbus &
Boeing deal with automation, won't you? (Not to mention getting used
all over again to having to juggle your mealtray around the
controls!)
-Robin Johnson
Chris
Rogers" <mmro...@tcsn.net> wrote:
>
> That's really one of the reasons I'm going to rent for a while. As much
> as
> I love San Francisco, it gets a bit old when you can't drive to the
> grocery
> store to get milk without having to worry about parking. That's why I
> think
> I may be ready to live outside of the congestion of a city, which would
> mean
> fewer things within walking distance. I guess I'll see how much I miss
> the
> convienences and benefits of city living, compared to the benefits of
> space
> and parking. The best place I've lived so far is actually San Luis
> Obispo,
> which would probably be the place I would return to in California if we
> decide to come back.
>
Mark,
We only had one very brief exchange here in rta, so you don't know me.
But nevertheless, let me congratulate you on your promotion. I hope it's
everything you want it to be.
BTW, I have you highlighted in my newsreader. Your posts are clear,
informative, and sincere. Thanks for posting here. :-)
Best wishes,
Chris
DALing
;-)
"Mark Rogers" <mmro...@tcsn.net> wrote in message
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>
> I thought I'd let a few of you know that I'll be leaving the A320 in the
> next few months. This week, I was awarded a 777 first officer bid, and am
> planning a move to the east coast this summer. I plan on concentrating
> mostly on European flying, although my initial assignment does have
flights
> to South America and Asia (China). It should be interesting, and a bit of
a
> change from PHL, ATL, and MSY. I will probably go to training sometime
> between April and the end of the summer, depending on staffing needs on
both
> the A320 and 777.
>
> --Mark Rogers
>
>
>
>
DALing
"sjoerd" <sjoerd...@xs4all.nl> wrote in message
news:3A8E9873...@xs4all.nl...
> W Yu wrote:
>
> > I can't think of any city on the East Coast that can rival San
> > Francisco. I bet it'll be a hard decision...
>
> Come on: New York is on-par or even slightly nicer than SF. IMHO, of
> course.
>
> Sjoerd
>
Carlos
Wow, wow, wow! Hold it right there! I think you just made enemies of
the whole population of the Netherlands! And the French - you can get
sued if you print in English when you could have used French. On the
other hand, they look down on Americans so much they might even
forgive you...
JF Mezei
>
> WHAT?? Going from the European FBW to the American "copy" of an airbussy???
> ;-)
It will be very rough for poor Mark Rogers. He'll actually have to do some
work and learn to fly because not everything is automated on the Boeings yet.
R J Carpenter
> Wow, wow, wow! Hold it right there! I think you just made enemies of
> the whole population of the Netherlands! And the French - you can get
> sued if you print in English when you could have used French. On the
> other hand, they look down on Americans so much they might even
> forgive you...
I've spent a bit of time inFrence over the past 35 years and find that
English words are becoming more and more common.
Perhaps a decade the French authorities decreed that all publications
HAD to use the French word, if one existed, instead of a foreign word.
Various magazines went to court, which decided that the government could
decree all it wanted for government agencies, but it had no business
telling the magazines which word to use.
So IMO your claim above is out of date.
Golly, even French sailboat manufacturers often name their models by the
length in FEET! My 26-foot model is called a First 26 - how's that for
French & metric purity - made by their largest boat manufacturer.
Bob C.
Spiller
ITRADE wrote:
> Spiller <spi...@ome.com> wrote in message news:3A8EF301...@ome.com...
>
> > The 777s will stay. It;s the US A330s that will be going.
> >
> Yah. Interesting; the 8th or 9th A330 shows up this weekend.
They're taking the 10 A-330s the have on confirmed order. Whether any of the
options for 30 others will be exercised remains to be seen if US is acquired by
UA (I hope it isn't)
Spiller
Mark Rogers wrote:
>
> Nope, the 330s are also staying. At least for a number of years.
Wouldn't trust anything UA mgmt says, sorry! Anyways, BD, SK and AC cold
always use A330s. Not sure what engines the fleets of those 3 use though.
JF Mezei
> They're taking the 10 A-330s the have on confirmed order. Whether any of the
> options for 30 others will be exercised remains to be seen if US is acquired by
> UA (I hope it isn't)
Why ? The comments on this newsgroup about US's A330s have been very good.
el...@spam.free.at.last
Mark Rogers <mmro...@tcsn.net> wrote:
>
>I thought I'd let a few of you know that I'll be leaving the A320 in the
>next few months. This week, I was awarded a 777 first officer bid, and am
>planning a move to the east coast this summer. I plan on concentrating
>mostly on European flying, although my initial assignment does have flights
>to South America and Asia (China). It should be interesting, and a bit of a
>change from PHL, ATL, and MSY. I will probably go to training sometime
>between April and the end of the summer, depending on staffing needs on both
>the A320 and 777.
That's wonderful -- lots of luck! But I hope east coast - Europe routes
on your airline will include PHL!!!
el...@spam.free.at.last
sjoerd <sjoerd...@xs4all.nl> wrote:
>W Yu wrote:
>
>> I can't think of any city on the East Coast that can rival San
>> Francisco. I bet it'll be a hard decision...
>
>Come on: New York is on-par or even slightly nicer than SF. IMHO, of
>course.
'Slightly'??? MUCH nicer! Just back from 4 days in SF and even
Philadelphia seems wonderful by comparison! :-)
el...@spam.free.at.last
Mark Rogers <mmro...@tcsn.net> wrote:
>
>"sjoerd" <sjoerd...@xs4all.nl> wrote in message
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>>
>> > I can't think of any city on the East Coast that can rival San
>> > Francisco. I bet it'll be a hard decision...
>>
>> Come on: New York is on-par or even slightly nicer than SF. IMHO, of
>> course.
>
>New York, but I'd much rather visit than live there. I'd put San Francisco
>far ahead of NY, mostly because of the people, ocean, parks, hills,
>architecture, and weather (plus my friends live here!). The restaurants and
>cultural things I like to do are probably pretty similar, although I'll miss
>the restauarants when I move to Virginia. I may come back to California at
>some point, but it will be the East Coast for the next five years or so, at
>least. I'm making the move because it's important to me to have an
>opportunity to fly to Europe, and the price of housing is very inticing
>compared to SF.
Well, I can't argue with your appraisal of people or your preference
for the Pacific over the Atlantic or any of the other (strange, IMO)
preferences you cite -- but ARCHITECTURE?!? Gimme a break!!! Or, better
yet, take a look at the buildings when you get to NY. :-)
el...@spam.free.at.last
>Mark Rogers wrote:
>
>> although I'll miss the restauarants when I move to Virginia.
>
>broad, dozens of cultures are represented.
>
>There is a large community of Chinese, of Koreans, and of Indians;
>enough to demand "the real thing" in terms of restaurants. This in
>addition to usual French and other European brands, some first quality.
>We have a lot of South / Central Americans, and Africans, but I'm not
>sure they are yet rich enough to support many "good" ethnic
>restaurants. Not many Mexicans. A few middle-eastern restaurants.
You're forgetting a lot of excellent Ethiopian restaurants, IMO a
real attraction of Washington. (I would count them as separate from
the 'African' restaurants, which, IME, are generally West African.)
el...@spam.free.at.last
Kenneth Crudup <ke...@panix.com> wrote:
>In article <weiyun-605BB0....@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
>W Yu <wei...@mac.com.REMOVE> says:
>
>>I can't think of any city on the East Coast that can rival San Francisco.
>
>... I*Y*O.
>
> -Kenny, who can think of about 10
10? Hm, I've got 5 so far...
Of course, if we take a Californian's definition of 'East Coast' as
including Chicago, then I've got a bunch more. :-)
W Yu
wrote:
Are you flame baiting there? ;)
--
Weiyun
[Remove the obvious for replies]
el...@spam.free.at.last
Not at all -- I have truly never seen what people like about SF. If
I wanted a balmy city on a bay, Sydney would be my choice hands down --
at least it's a CITY! But, since I'm not particularly moved by
balminess or bays, I really do prefer NY or Paris or London or
Istanbul or a few hundred others. :-)
JF Mezei
> Not at all -- I have truly never seen what people like about SF.
San Franciso is a city with a unifique architectural style. It has a unique
atmosphere, it seems quite clean and its people seem cultured and educated. It
is also a city where its core is alive and has great tourist infrastructure.
It also has nice architectural pieces (bridge, coit tower etc).
While each city has its own nice spots, most cities have only a small area
devoted to "style" with the rest made up of uninspiring architecture.
Some cities are nicer to visit than others. But sometimes, it is an
uninspiring city that gives the nicest lifestyle. If you like skiing, Calgary
which is as bland a city as it can get is near enough Banff and Lake Louise to
make it an interesting place to live in.
> I wanted a balmy city on a bay, Sydney would be my choice hands down --
Sydney is nicer to visit, but would Auckland be nicer to live in ? Would
Melbourne be nicer to live in than Sydney ? If you like shopping or theatre,
New York Paris or London would be best, but if you like outdoor activities,
the choice will be different.
mkhan
el...@spam.free.at.last wrote:
> Not at all -- I have truly never seen what people like about SF. If
> I wanted a balmy city on a bay, Sydney would be my choice hands down --
> at least it's a CITY!
And at least Sydney is balmy.
Quoth Mark Twain: "May coldest winter ever was a summer in San
Francisco"
David Stroud
this promotion does not excuse you from continuing contribution to this
board.....
W Yu
wrote:
> el...@spam.free.at.last wrote:
>
> > Not at all -- I have truly never seen what people like about SF. If
> > I wanted a balmy city on a bay, Sydney would be my choice hands down --
> > at least it's a CITY!
>
> And at least Sydney is balmy.
Balmy? Sydney? You've got to be kidding unless you grew up in the Arctic
Circle.
Try SIN or BKK for a definition of being balmy...
mkhan
W Yu wrote:
>
> In article <3A9224B3...@usa.net>, mkhan <nomail...@usa.net>
> wrote:
> ? And at least Sydney is balmy.
> Balmy? Sydney?
Yup. As opposed to stiflingly, chokingly HOT and humid.
> You've got to be kidding unless you grew up in the Arctic
> Circle.
Not quite, but well, I could almost see it from where I grew up.
W Yu
wrote:
> W Yu wrote:
> >
> > In article <3A9224B3...@usa.net>, mkhan <nomail...@usa.net>
> > wrote:
>
> > ? And at least Sydney is balmy.
>
> > Balmy? Sydney?
>
> Yup. As opposed to stiflingly, chokingly HOT and humid.
We call it mild. The hottest days in Sydney are probably not much
different than New York or Chicago. As a matter of fact, it's more
likely to be cooler and more bearable than the other two.
mkhan
W Yu wrote:
> We call it mild. The hottest days in Sydney are probably not much
> different than New York or Chicago. As a matter of fact, it's more
> likely to be cooler and more bearable than the other two.
Perfect.
So we're talking about the same thing, then.
Mark Rogers
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> German, so I
> > should be fine. Of course, that's also my theory for France - if I
> speak
> > German first to the French, they'll be more than happy to switch to
> English
> > and speak to me. :) One can hope at least. If that fails, I'll
> just talk
> > louder and slower.
> >
> > --Mark Rogers
> >
>
> Wow, wow, wow! Hold it right there! I think you just made enemies of
> the whole population of the Netherlands! And the French - you can get
> sued if you print in English when you could have used French. On the
> other hand, they look down on Americans so much they might even
> forgive you...
That was kind of my point - if the French think I'm German, they'll probably
be happier to speak English with me. There's no chance my French will get
me very far.
--Mark Rogers
Mark Rogers
"Spiller" <spi...@home.com> wrote in message
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It would be expensive for UA to get rid of the 12 330s that US will
eventually have (if no options are excercised). For that reason alone, they
will stay longer than any F100s, MD-80s, or RR 757s. The 330 may actually
have a role in the combined carrier; they could take the place of the
767-300s currently flying internationally, allowing those aircraft to
replace the domestic 767-200s, which would be retired (they are now 20 years
old). In any event, the 330s will be around long enough for UA to evaluate
if they want to keep them. Some of the above was told to be by someone at
UA who's a good friend, and who has also worked on the merger for over a
year now.
--Mark Rogers
Carlos
"R J Carpenter" <rca...@erols.com> wrote in message
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Seen the posters recently with English slogans but French *subtitles*?
The Academie Francaise is not letting up. There are still lawyers
spending their time watching ads on TV to purge English from them.
el...@spam.free.at.last
LOL! Yup, I learned that one chilly summer in Berkeley... :-)
el...@spam.free.at.last
I loved Singapore and Bangkok but I would call them 'sweltering'
rather than 'balmy'.
Mark Rogers
"mkhan" <nomail...@usa.net> wrote in message
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He just got our seasons wrong - we have three, almost as many as everybody
else:
Fog
No-Fog
Rain
Our warmest months are September and October (No-Fog, which also occurs in
April and May). What do you call people in SF wearing shorts in July?
Tourists.
--Mark Rogers
Mark Rogers
<el...@spam.free.at.last> wrote in message
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Absolutely. I vastly prefer the beautiful Victorian and Edwardian homes in
San Francisco to the drab, dirty buildings with broken out windows I find
every time I'm in Philadelphia. I don't mind that we have very different
preferences; someone has to live in Philadelphia. But of all the cities
I've visited, Philadelphia is definitely pretty low on my list. I barely
feel safe walking the streets, and it's only nice when compared to the likes
of Atlanta.
--Mark Rogers
Mark Rogers
<el...@spam.free.at.last> wrote in message
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> You're forgetting a lot of excellent Ethiopian restaurants, IMO a
> real attraction of Washington. (I would count them as separate from
> the 'African' restaurants, which, IME, are generally West African.)
When I mentioned the restaurants within easy walking distance of my place in
SF, one was East African. It's actually Etruscan (sp?), and you'd probably
like it. :)
--Mark Rogers
Steve Howie.
>
> Fog
> No-Fog
> Rain
>
> Our warmest months are September and October (No-Fog, which also
> occurs in
> April and May). What do you call people in SF wearing shorts in July?
> Tourists.
I was at a conference in San Jose back in 1990 and it went from dry,
sunny and mid-80s to cold, windy and overcast by the time we reached the
observation area on the north side of the Golden gate bridge.
Unbelievable micro-climates in SF thats for sure
Scotty
JF Mezei
> Absolutely. I vastly prefer the beautiful Victorian and Edwardian homes in
> San Francisco to the drab, dirty buildings with broken out windows I find
> every time I'm in Philadelphia.
In all fairness, I did some work for a large pharmaceutical company with a
campus north of Philadelphia and got a change to cycle the area outside of
Philadelhia and was very pleasantly surprised. Very nice homes , clean
wealthy, nice roads, lots of trees. Also got to cycle around in amish country
west of Philadelphia. Pretty neat. Also, near the delaware river there are
very nice parks/areas.
However, it is when i realise how much more dependant on cars the americans
are. There are so many cars there.
R J Carpenter
From the 1930s song "The Lady is a Tramp":
"Hate California, it's cold and it's damp".
R J Carpenter
Or maybe UPS deliverymen. One appeared at the office a few days ago
wearing shorts - in February, in Washington, DC.
el...@spam.free.at.last
Eritrean? Etruscan food would be a tad stale by now... (They've been
extinct for a long time. ;) )
But yes, Eritrean is delicious -- like Ethiopian (at least to my
non-connoisseur palate).
el...@spam.free.at.last
Mark Rogers <mmro...@tcsn.net> wrote:
>
><el...@spam.free.at.last> wrote in message
>news:96sufr$o1f$1...@netnews.upenn.edu...
>> In article <1GAj6.70265$JN5.4...@e420r-sjo3.usenetserver.com>,
>> Mark Rogers <mmro...@tcsn.net> wrote:
>>
>> Well, I can't argue with your appraisal of people or your preference
>> for the Pacific over the Atlantic or any of the other (strange, IMO)
>> preferences you cite -- but ARCHITECTURE?!? Gimme a break!!! Or, better
>> yet, take a look at the buildings when you get to NY. :-)
>
>Absolutely. I vastly prefer the beautiful Victorian and Edwardian homes in
>San Francisco to the drab, dirty buildings with broken out windows I find
>every time I'm in Philadelphia. I don't mind that we have very different
>preferences; someone has to live in Philadelphia. But of all the cities
>I've visited, Philadelphia is definitely pretty low on my list. I barely
>feel safe walking the streets, and it's only nice when compared to the likes
>of Atlanta.
I don't know which streets you've walked on but Philadelphia has MANY
MANY more Victorian and Edwardian houses than San Francisco! Plus of
course all the colonial, which I personally prefer, but which are
vastly outnumbered by the Victorian. Let me know next time you're
passing thru and I'll take you on a house tour. :-)
(Btw, for our Aussie and NZ friends, what the US calls 'Victorian'
is what you folks call 'colonial'. What we call 'colonial' is older
and very different. Had some real confusing conversations about
architecture in Oz before I figured that one out. ;) )
el...@spam.free.at.last
>el...@spam.free.at.last wrote:
>>
>> In article <3A9224B3...@usa.net>, mkhan <nomail...@usa.net> wrote:
>> >Quoth Mark Twain: "May coldest winter ever was a summer in San
>> >Francisco"
>>
>> LOL! Yup, I learned that one chilly summer in Berkeley... :-)
>
>From the 1930s song "The Lady is a Tramp":
>
>"Hate California, it's cold and it's damp".
Yes, I've always liked that song... ;)
I should note, however, that the climate is NOT what I dislike
about SF or about California in general. The climate is fine, IMO.
Unfortunately, climate is around item #452 on the list of things I
would rate a city on.
el...@spam.free.at.last
'There' = Philadelphia???? More cars per capita than in San Francisco?
Than in Montreal? I don't think so... Most of my friends don't even
have a car and my husband doesn't even drive. You absolutely don't
need a car in downtown Philadelphia -- tho of course you do in the
'burbs, as you do in any 'burbs in the world these days.
JF Mezei
> 'There' = Philadelphia???? More cars per capita than in San Francisco?
> Than in Montreal? I don't think so... Most of my friends don't even
> have a car and my husband doesn't even drive.
As I cycled through the western suburbs of Philadelphia, I noticed that many
many homes had more than one car per driveway, and 3 cars was not uncommon.
And roads were, of course, very busy. And cars bigger than in Canada. (this
was before the advent of the personal trucks that have nothing to do with "sport").
el...@spam.free.at.last
And in which modern suburbs of the world do people not have cars???
Certainly not the ones I've seen anywhere in the US or in France or
in Japan or in Australia or in...
MOREOVER, when I talk about a city, I am NOT talking about its
suburbs. (Philadelphia, btw, happens to have some real spectacular
suburbs, complete with old-money mansions and fox hunts and horse
shows. And that is NOT what I value in Philadelphia. ;) )
t liew
wrote:
>When I mentioned the restaurants within easy walking distance of my place in
>SF, one was East African. It's actually Etruscan (sp?), and you'd probably
>like it. :)
I thought Etruscans were neighbours of the ancient Romans (on the
Italian peninsula) and have been assimilated into mainstream Italian
culture and its Roman predecessor
Mark Rogers
<el...@spam.free.at.last> wrote in message
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> In article <mqAk6.460$el1....@e420r-sjo3.usenetserver.com>,
> I don't know which streets you've walked on but Philadelphia has MANY
> MANY more Victorian and Edwardian houses than San Francisco! Plus of
> course all the colonial, which I personally prefer, but which are
> vastly outnumbered by the Victorian.
I'm mostly in the downtown area. Philadelphia may have more of these homes,
but I suspect a higher percentage of the homes in SF are Victorian or
Edwardian. Even if that's not true, I still prefer the style of homes in SF
to Philadelphia, and the hills make for some interesting views. Don't
worry - you sound just like my wife, who's from the Philadelphia area. I
much prefer SF, and if she hasn't been able to convince me otherwise, your
chances are not great. :)
> Let me know next time you're
> passing thru and I'll take you on a house tour. :-)
I'll be in Philadelphia later tonight. It's the third of four straight days
where I'll see both the Pacific and Atlantic oceans in the same day. I'm
also back next week, so you can see that I do get an opportunity to
evaluate... I will admit that I like the cheesesteaks. :)
--Mark Rogers
JF Mezei
> evaluate... I will admit that I like the cheesesteaks. :)
Aren't they called "hoagies" in the Philly area ?
mr_potter
>
>Mark Rogers wrote:
>> evaluate... I will admit that I like the cheesesteaks. :)
>
>Aren't they called "hoagies" in the Philly area ?
JF!! A Philly cheesesteak is ALWAYS a Philly cheesesteak! A "hoagie" is:
hoagie n : a large sandwich made of a long crusty roll split lengthwise and
filled with meats and cheese (and tomato and onion and lettuce and condiments);
different names are used in different sections of the United States [syn:
bomber, grinder, hero, hero sandwich, hoagy, Cuban sandwich, Italian sandwich,
poor boy, sub, submarine, submarine sandwich, torpedo, wedge, zep]
Source: WordNet ® 1.6, © 1997 Princeton University
[above from dictionary.com]
Best
Greg ;-)
Spiller
JF Mezei wrote:
No. Hoagies are akin to submarine sandwiches ("subs") but a aient
difference is that hoagies are dressed with a sprinkling of oil
Spiller
el...@spam.free.at.last wrote:
>
> And in which modern suburbs of the world do people not have cars???
Roseevelt Island in New York?
el...@spam.free.at.last
Since when is it a suburb? Has it seceded from NYC? What county
has it joined/created?
el...@spam.free.at.last
Mark Rogers <mmro...@tcsn.net> wrote:
>
><el...@spam.free.at.last> wrote in message
>news:96vggu$edf$1...@netnews.upenn.edu...
>> In article <mqAk6.460$el1....@e420r-sjo3.usenetserver.com>,
>
>> I don't know which streets you've walked on but Philadelphia has MANY
>> MANY more Victorian and Edwardian houses than San Francisco! Plus of
>> course all the colonial, which I personally prefer, but which are
>> vastly outnumbered by the Victorian.
>
>I'm mostly in the downtown area. Philadelphia may have more of these homes,
>but I suspect a higher percentage of the homes in SF are Victorian or
>Edwardian. Even if that's not true, I still prefer the style of homes in SF
>to Philadelphia, and the hills make for some interesting views. Don't
>worry - you sound just like my wife, who's from the Philadelphia area. I
>much prefer SF, and if she hasn't been able to convince me otherwise, your
>chances are not great. :)
Ok. :-)
>> Let me know next time you're
>> passing thru and I'll take you on a house tour. :-)
>
>I'll be in Philadelphia later tonight. It's the third of four straight days
>where I'll see both the Pacific and Atlantic oceans in the same day. I'm
>also back next week, so you can see that I do get an opportunity to
>evaluate... I will admit that I like the cheesesteaks. :)
I hope for your sake that you're not still here -- we're getting a
little blizzard at the moment. :(