Columbia Southern University
Padre
Does anyone know if Columbia Southern University is a legit program, and
if it is any good. They seem to be associated with the University of
Northern Alabama in some way. I gained 21 credits towards my MBA from
an accredited school in Indiana as an on-campus student but have now
moved to Virginia. Just about every school I've contacted will accept 6
graduate credits in transfer -- but I don't want to lose the 21 I've
already earned. Seems as though CSU will accept 18 credits in transfer.
Anyone know of any other school (online) that would accept more than 6
credits in transfer?
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Thomas Nixon
Training Council (http://www.detc.org), a national accreditor. While
that is certainly legitimate accreditation, you will need to decide what
your goal is with your degree. Regional Accreditation is the more
accepted form of accreditation.
As to transferring units, typically no RA school would accept 21 units.
This is the first time that I have seen the joint UNA/CSU program. Do
you know which name will be on the diploma itself?
Tom
John Bear
Four schools that will accept 120 semester units in transfer (i.e., an entire Bachelor's worth) are Thomas Edison State, Charter Oak State, Excelsior, and Athabasca.
John Bear
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John Bear
Four schools that will accept 120 semester units in transfer (i.e., an entire Bachelor's worth) are Thomas Edison State, Charter Oak State, Excelsior, and Athabasca.
John Bear
My publisher's site: www.degree.net
Mark Israel
> Four schools that will accept 120 semester units in transfer
> (i.e., an entire Bachelor's worth) are Thomas Edison State,
> Charter Oak State, Excelsior, and Athabasca.
Please delete "Athabasca" from this list.
Athabasca's 120-credit Bachelor of Arts
http://www.athabascau.ca/html/programs/b_arts/maj_gen.htm
requires 30 credits to be earned through Athabasca.
Athabasca does offer a 90-credit Bachelor of General Studies
http://www.athabascau.ca/html/programs/b_gen/bgs.htm
where all 90 credits can be transfer credits, but this is not
equivalent to a US 120-credit Bachelor's degree.
As we've just learned, Northeastern Illinois University accepts
120 credits in transfer, although 15 of them must be from certain
other Illinois universities: http://www.neiu.edu/Nontrad.htm
Richard Kanarek
MAL
The following article was just in today's paper abuot CSU!!! I found it
at www.tampatrib.com in the 'metro' section. I don't know if it's the
same columbia you're talking about or not, but thought it would
interest you.
Hillsborough Detective: I Didn't Know School Was Fake
By MARK DOUGLAS mdou...@wfla.com
Published: Apr 25, 2003
TAMPA - Anthony Bordonaro saved time and money on a college diploma by
paying Columbia State University about $1,600 for a bachelor of science
degree.
The trouble is CSU is a fraud.
Authorities drove it out of business five years ago, and last week a
grand jury indicted a former stage hypnotist on charges related to
creating the phony college.
According to John Bear, who wrote ``Bears' Guide to Earning Degrees by
Distance Learning,'' Columbia State ``is one of the biggest and most
insidious diploma mills the world has ever known.''
And if anyone should have known, it was Bordonaro.
He is a veteran detective in the Special Operations Division of the
Hillsborough County Sheriff's Office who has 18 years in law
enforcement and a number of commendations in his personnel file.
Last week, a federal grand jury in Los Angeles indicted the founder of
Bordonaro's alma mater, Ronald Pellar, on nine counts of mail fraud in
connection with the school.
The indictment says CSU collected more than $10 million from
``students'' from 1996 to 1998, when the Louisiana attorney general
moved to shut down Pellar's mail drop in Metairie, La., and put CSU out
of business.
While state authorities were cracking down in Louisiana, the FBI raided
CSU's California operation and seized millions of dollars, retired FBI
agent Allen Ezell said.
Ezell wasn't part of the CSU raid, but he drove dozens of diploma mills
out of business as the lead agent of Operation Diploma Scam from 1980
to 1991. Since his retirement, Ezell has kept a keen eye on CSU.
``They did not offer classes either live or correspondence. They did
not have a physical facility,'' Ezell said. ``It was all operated by
Ronald Pellar.''
Despite Pellar's notoriety, national exposes featured on ABC's
``20/20'' and ``Good Morning America,'' and the longstanding FBI
crackdown on diploma mills, Bordonaro said he was in the dark about his
alma mater's shady history until a reporter approached him.
Despite CSU's published offers of a bachelor's degree in two weeks and
a doctorate in 27 days, Bordonaro said that based largely on life
experience, he studied long and hard for his degree.
The detective insisted he spent two years of correspondence study
earning his bachelor's degree in political science from CSU.
``They sent books; I took classes,'' Bordonaro said.
After being asked about his CSU studies, Bordonaro gave his supervisor
at the sheriff's office, Maj. Gary Terry, a highlighted textbook called
``An Introduction to Political Science'' as an example of his studies.
The author of the textbook submitted by Bordonaro describes it as a
basic political science primer designed for college freshmen.
The book is consistent with CSU's literature, including a brochure sent
to prospective students titled ``How to Get a Legal College degree in
27 Days Without Attending Any Classes!!''
As recently as two weeks ago, Bordonaro and Terry both insisted his
shortcut to a college degree didn't amount to anything because he
hadn't received a raise or a promotion.
Terry later acknowledged Bordonaro had tried but failed to get the
increase. Terry also discovered there's a Florida law that makes it a
criminal offense, punishable by up to a year in jail, for someone to
claim an academic degree from a college or university that is not
accredited, state- sponsored or licensed to operate.
A federal judge held the law unconstitutional in 1995, leaving its
enforcement up to question.
It may have taken the Hillsborough County Sheriff's Office five years
to notice Bordonaro's bogus degree, but the Hillsborough State
Attorney's Office is quite familiar with the law that discourages
diploma- mill degrees.
According to spokeswoman Pam Bondi, the Hillsborough State Attorney's
Office has prosecuted nine related cases in the past 10 years.
On Monday, Terry said he has turned Bordonaro's academic review over to
his Professional Standards Section office for an internal
investigation.
Reporter Mark Douglas can be reached at (727) 709-2753.
Watch WFLA, News Channel 8, at 5 and 11 p.m. for Mark Douglas' reports
on fake diplomas.
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John Bear
to is the totally fake CSU, no connection at all with the CSU that has been discussed
here recently. This sort of confusion is quite common, which one should consider in
naming a new school.
Columbia University: the original ivy league school in NY.
Columbia Southern University: DETC-accredited school
Columbia State University: totally phony
Columbia Pacific University: had been California approved for 20 years; then lost license
and closed.
Columbia Commonwealth University: Montana, then Wyoming school started by owner of
Columbia Pacific.
John Bear
sir peter tangray
sounds like yellow journalism to me looks like the guy got ripped off
sir peter tangray
> at www.tampatrib.com in the 'metro' section. I don't know if it's the
> same columbia you're talking about or not, but thought it would
> interest you.
>
> Hillsborough Detective: I Didn't Know School Was Fake
> By MARK DOUGLAS mdou...@wfla.com
> Published: Apr 25, 2003
>
>
>
>
> paying Columbia State University about $1,600 for a bachelor of science
> degree.
> The trouble is CSU is a fraud.
>
> Authorities drove it out of business five years ago, and last week a
> grand jury indicted a former stage hypnotist on charges related to
> creating the phony college.
>
> According to John Bear, who wrote ``Bears' Guide to Earning Degrees by
> Distance Learning,'' Columbia State ``is one of the biggest and most
> insidious diploma mills the world has ever known.''
>
> And if anyone should have known, it was Bordonaro.
> Bordonaro's alma mater, Ronald Pellar, on nine counts of mail fraud in
> connection with the school.
>
> The indictment says CSU collected more than $10 million from
> ``students'' from 1996 to 1998, when the Louisiana attorney general
> moved to shut down Pellar's mail drop in Metairie, La., and put CSU out
> of business.
>
> While state authorities were cracking down in Louisiana, the FBI raided
> CSU's California operation and seized millions of dollars, retired FBI
> agent Allen Ezell said.
>
> Ezell wasn't part of the CSU raid, but he drove dozens of diploma mills
> out of business as the lead agent of Operation Diploma Scam from 1980
> to 1991. Since his retirement, Ezell has kept a keen eye on CSU.
>
> ``They did not offer classes either live or correspondence. They did
> not have a physical facility,'' Ezell said. ``It was all operated by
> Ronald Pellar.''
>
> Despite Pellar's notoriety, national exposes featured on ABC's
> ``20/20'' and ``Good Morning America,'' and the longstanding FBI
> a doctorate in 27 days, said that based largely on life
> experience, he studied long and hard for his degree.
>
> The detective insisted he spent two years of correspondence study
> earning his bachelor's degree in political science from CSU.
>
> ``They sent books; I took classes,''
>
> ``An Introduction to Political Science'' as an example of his studies.
>
>
> The author of the textbook submitted by Bordonaro describes it as a
> basic political science primer designed for college freshmen.
>
> The book is consistent with CSU's literature, including a brochure sent
> to prospective students titled ``How to Get a Legal College degree in
> 27 Days Without Attending Any Classes!!''
>
> shortcut to a college degree didn't amount to anything because he
> hadn't received a raise or a promotion.
>
> increase. Terry also discovered there's a Florida law that makes it a
> criminal offense, punishable by up to a year in jail, for someone to
> claim an academic degree from a college or university that is not
> accredited, state- sponsored or licensed to operate.
>
> A federal judge held the law unconstitutional in 1995, leaving its
> enforcement up to question.
>
> Attorney's Office is quite familiar with the law that discourages
> diploma- mill degrees.
>
> According to spokeswoman Pam Bondi, the Hillsborough State Attorney's
> Office has prosecuted nine related cases in the past 10 years.
>
>
> Reporter Mark Douglas can be reached at (727) 709-2753.
>
>
> Watch WFLA, News Channel 8, at 5 and 11 p.m. for Mark Douglas' reports
> on fake diplomas.
>
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John Bear
Columbia Southern is a school with recognized accreditation.
Columbia State, from which the sheriff bought his degree, is a total
fraud.
And Sir Peter may need a new pair of glasses.
Curtis_H
I'm thinking of enrolling into this Univ. and have been checking into
the school. This school is DETC-accredited, and also takes DANTES funds
from the military. IF this was fake then the military is not going to
give money to this school. I have checked on the web site for DANTES
and they do show a list of fees for CSU, although I’m not in the
military. This is another way to check into it the school. I have not
been able to check with the department of edu. For the state of AL.
which the school says they are too accredited by! But then again the
state web site for them is pretty bad to navigate through. I couldn’t
even find the Univ. of Alabama on the list of post-secondary schools,
just community collages!
If anyone has any other info, especially ones that have taken classes,
please let us know.
Thanks, Curtis
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Dennis Ruhl
CSU is legit and cheaper than most programs. The only problem possible
is if you try to advance to a regionally accredited doctorate, you may
have problem with acceptance.
Listings of degree programs of DETC.
http://www.detc.org/degree.html
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