insulting comment made about me
Lisa Gardner
'I heard Lisa has been getting 'out of hand' on alt.alien.visitors
lately.'
Now, what the fuck kind of comment is this?
I am not some chained animal who assholes need to talk
about in terms of 'getting out of control'.
Who the hell is it that feels that *they have the right* to
'control me'?
And just how is it that I got 'out of hand'?
Am I not a human being? If I am not a human being, then
what am I? And what makes chive and others think that it
is allright to talk about me and treat me as if I were some sort
of fucking *beast of burden* or something?
Lisa Agnes Gardner
Lisa Gardner
Chive Mynde
> so chive said in a post he made:
>
> 'I heard Lisa has been getting 'out of hand' on alt.alien.visitors
> lately.'
>
> Now, what the fuck kind of comment is this?
Let's see, where to begin...
Today you posted, "I don't want this war waged on my body and
on my mind anymore."
Would you be so kind as to explain that comment?
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Lisa Gardner
"Chive Mynde" <chive...@usa.com> wrote in message
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> "Lisa Gardner" <lgardne...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:<Q15s9.2178$071.1...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>...
>
> > so chive said in a post he made:
> >
> > 'I heard Lisa has been getting 'out of hand' on alt.alien.visitors
> > lately.'
> >
> > Now, what the fuck kind of comment is this?
>
> Let's see, where to begin...
>
> Today you posted, "I don't want this war waged on my body and
> on my mind anymore."
>
> Would you be so kind as to explain that comment?
Yes. This ismy perception: there is a war being waged in psychic
space. It feels to me like it is being waged in my mind and on my
body.
It feels to me *Like I am being used in about 1,000 different ways
ways by about as many people, to wage this war... against my will,
needless to say.
I want it all to stop. I have been screaming about all of this for almost
eight years now, yet all of you still disregard me totally.
I want it all to stop, *now*.
This is my perception and I am pretty fucking sure that there is
something to it. I do not want to be involved in the fighting of this
war and I do not want any parts of myself or *either of my two sons*
used to wage it.
Period.
Lisa Agnes Gardner
Deranged
>
> "Chive Mynde" <chive...@usa.com> wrote in message
> news:bdd362ad.02102...@posting.google.com...
> > "Lisa Gardner" <lgardne...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:<Q15s9.2178$071.1...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>...
> >
> > > so chive said in a post he made:
> > >
> > > 'I heard Lisa has been getting 'out of hand' on alt.alien.visitors
> > > lately.'
> > >
> > > Now, what the fuck kind of comment is this?
> >
> > Let's see, where to begin...
> >
> > Today you posted, "I don't want this war waged on my body and
> > on my mind anymore."
> >
> > Would you be so kind as to explain that comment?
> [...]
>
> Yes. This ismy perception: there is a war being waged in psychic
> space. It feels to me like it is being waged in my mind and on my
> body.
>
> It feels to me *Like I am being used in about 1,000 different ways
> ways by about as many people, to wage this war... against my will,
> needless to say.
>
> I want it all to stop. I have been screaming about all of this for almost
> eight years now, yet all of you still disregard me totally.
>
> I want it all to stop, *now*.
>
You want to go AWOL from the psychic mind war? That's not going to go over
well with "them".
Lisa Gardner
"Deranged" <co...@itis.com> wrote in message
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*Fuck* them, guy. It has been a long, long time IMHO that 'they',
whoever they are, have been sneaking around behind the curtains
in people's minds and have not shown themselves, but have manipulated
things in their way.
Let them show themselves now. I suspect that this might be a
very frightening possibility for them.
I don't want to be involved in the warfare. If there is someone
who wants my help or assistance in anything like that, they should
be willing to be honest and open with me about it.
I don't care how this goes over with 'them', whoever they really
are.
Lisa Agnes Gardner
Deranged
Like the government as well as individuals, you mean.
> Let them show themselves now. I suspect that this might be a
> very frightening possibility for them.
>
> I don't want to be involved in the warfare. If there is someone
> who wants my help or assistance in anything like that, they should
> be willing to be honest and open with me about it.
>
> I don't care how this goes over with 'them', whoever they really
> are.
>
But how will you get them out of your head?
Deranged
Lisa Gardner
Yes. Who knows who exactly has their fingers in our minds?
I pinpoint the government because - fucking a, I mean really -
*they are supposed to be the ones* involved in protecting me,
an american citizen whose father fought in combat three times -
*and I want them to get their fucking act together about it*!
And IMHO not only are they not protecting me, *they are
involved in screwing me over* and abusing me and using me!
If they do come clean about it all then I will know that I can maybe
trust them. If they don't, then I will know that I should maybe
elsewhere, live somewhere else where I feel I am living under a
government *that I can trust*, wherever that may be.
> > Let them show themselves now. I suspect that this might be a
> > very frightening possibility for them.
> >
> > I don't want to be involved in the warfare. If there is someone
> > who wants my help or assistance in anything like that, they should
> > be willing to be honest and open with me about it.
> >
> > I don't care how this goes over with 'them', whoever they really
> > are.
>
> But how will you get them out of your head?
I don't know. This is something I must deal with on a day to day
basis. For now, I have to fight not only to rid myself of 'them',
whoever 'they' are, but I have to fight to rid myself of whatever
it is that they are fighting, as well.
Everyone who uses people of the sort that I think I am, is very
interested in keeping us powerless, confused, frightened, and
*in the dark about what is happening to us*. So we have
a harder road to walk upon than other people. This should
be acknowledged IMHO - just the acknowledgment of it all
would probably make it a bit easier for us.
Lisa Agnes Gardner
Chive Mynde
> "Chive Mynde" <chive...@usa.com> wrote in message
> news:bdd362ad.02102...@posting.google.com...
> > "Lisa Gardner" <lgardne...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:<Q15s9.2178$071.1...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>...
> >
> > > so chive said in a post he made:
> > >
> > > 'I heard Lisa has been getting 'out of hand' on alt.alien.visitors
> > > lately.'
> > >
> > > Now, what the fuck kind of comment is this?
> >
> > Let's see, where to begin...
> >
> > Today you posted, "I don't want this war waged on my body and
> > on my mind anymore."
> >
> > Would you be so kind as to explain that comment?
> [...]
>
> Yes. This ismy perception: there is a war being waged in psychic
> space.
What kind of evidence is this perception based upon?
How do you know your perception is accurate?
Has anyone besides yourself observed this alleged "psychic war"
against yourself?
> It feels to me like it is being waged in my mind and on my
> body.
Please explain this feeling. Is it like pins and needles? Maybe
you are cutting off circulation to parts of your body. No war
required.
> It feels to me *Like I am being used in about 1,000 different ways
> ways by about as many people, to wage this war... against my will,
> needless to say.
What war? Which people? What are you doing against your will?
Care to explain or provide specifics?
> I want it all to stop.
But just exactly what is it?
> I have been screaming about all of this for almost
> eight years now, yet all of you still disregard me totally.
Perhaps because we don't understand what you are talking about.
> I want it all to stop, *now*.
What do you want to stop? The war inside your head? Could you
explain, please? Do we (the external world) control the war
inside your head (the internal world)? Why do you give us
so much power over you? Hold on, let me adjust the coordinates
on the mind control sattelittes. There. Ok, Lisa, the satelites
are no longer beaming on you. Tell me if you are feeling better.
> This is my perception and I am pretty fucking sure that there is
> something to it.
Well, perception happens to be flawed most of the time, which is
why it is best to go on evidence. What evidence do you have that
your perception is accurate?
> I do not want to be involved in the fighting of this
> war
What war?
> and I do not want any parts of myself or *either of my two sons*
> used to wage it.
>
> Period.
I'm sorry, but I don't have any idea what you are talking about.
Can you help me understand?
Chive Mynde
Yep, the GUVMINT did it! They stole my socks, too!
> > Let them show themselves now. I suspect that this might be a
> > very frightening possibility for them.
> >
> > I don't want to be involved in the warfare. If there is someone
> > who wants my help or assistance in anything like that, they should
> > be willing to be honest and open with me about it.
> >
> > I don't care how this goes over with 'them', whoever they really
> > are.
>
> But how will you get them out of your head?
Well, apparently they are fighting a war in there, too.
Maybe she should call for a peace treaty?
Chive Mynde
I've already taken the mind control beams off of Lisa.
She's free now.
BCNU...
Chive Mynde
Almost correct.
They are you, and you are them. And they are in your mind.
> Let them show themselves now.
Your thoughts, words, and actions are evidence.
> I suspect that this might be a
> very frightening possibility for them.
Them = You
> I don't want to be involved in the warfare.
Then stop.
> If there is someone
> who wants my help or assistance in anything like that, they should
> be willing to be honest and open with me about it.
You are going to help others help you?
> I don't care how this goes over with 'them', whoever they really
> are.
They are you.
> Lisa Agnes Gardner
Lisa Gardner
"Chive Mynde" <chive...@freedom.usa.com> wrote :
[..]
> >
> > *Fuck* them, guy. It has been a long, long time IMHO that 'they',
> > whoever they are, have been sneaking around behind the curtains
> > in people's minds and have not shown themselves, but have manipulated
> > things in their way.
>
> Almost correct.
>
> They are you, and you are them. And they are in your mind.
Oh. And where do you and people like you come into the
equation, Chive? Seeing as how I am interacting with you right
now and have interacted with you previous to this time.
> > Let them show themselves now.
>
> Your thoughts, words, and actions are evidence.
Uhhhh, okay. Why don't you present all of that evidence for us,
Chive. Let's see your present it right here and now - because I
don't really agree with you and I don't think you really know
*quite what you are talking about*.
> > I suspect that this might be a
> > very frightening possibility for them.
>
> Them = You
Okay Chive, I don't agree. Present an argument for what you have
asserted here.
> > I don't want to be involved in the warfare.
>
> Then stop.
You know what Chive? You are full of shit.
Are you yourself only a 'figment of my imagination'? This is where
you seem to be going with this... do you realize that this is implied
by what you are saying?
But go ahead, present your argument anyway, allright.
> > If there is someone
> > who wants my help or assistance in anything like that, they should
> > be willing to be honest and open with me about it.
>
> You are going to help others help you?
No, if others need or want my assistance in fighting *wars that
they are fighting for their own reasons and they want to use me
in order to help themselves fight those wars*, they will have to
*ask me explicity to help them*.
> > I don't care how this goes over with 'them', whoever they really
> > are.
>
> They are you.
Let's see your argument.
I see that you have already cross posted a post from alt.support.
schizophrenia, so I suppose the main crux of your argument is going
to be that 'I am mentally ill and there is nothing else going on
but that', right, Chive? I have heard it a million times before
from shitheads like you, Chive. Don't bother. You will have to
come up with a better argument.
Lisa Agnes Gardner
The Black Hole
Do you think president Bush is part of the psychic mind war? Perhaps you
should write to your representatives.
> > > Let them show themselves now. I suspect that this might be a
> > > very frightening possibility for them.
> > >
> > > I don't want to be involved in the warfare. If there is someone
> > > who wants my help or assistance in anything like that, they should
> > > be willing to be honest and open with me about it.
> > >
> > > I don't care how this goes over with 'them', whoever they really
> > > are.
>
> >
> > But how will you get them out of your head?
>
> I don't know. This is something I must deal with on a day to day
> basis. For now, I have to fight not only to rid myself of 'them',
> whoever 'they' are, but I have to fight to rid myself of whatever
> it is that they are fighting, as well.
>
Sometimes a nice warm bubble bath can do wonders.
> Everyone who uses people of the sort that I think I am, is very
> interested in keeping us powerless, confused, frightened, and
> *in the dark about what is happening to us*. So we have
> a harder road to walk upon than other people. This should
> be acknowledged IMHO - just the acknowledgment of it all
> would probably make it a bit easier for us.
>
I also suggest you fold some heavy duty tinfoil into a hat. I hear that
deflects psychic power rays.
HTH
> Lisa Agnes Gardner
>
>
Lisa Gardner
"Chive Mynde" <chive...@freedom.usa.com> wrote in message
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I would want to do that if 'they' were amenable to it and would
deal honestly and openly, you know that? I don't think 'they'
would be willing to do this though.
Lisa Agnes Gardner
Lisa Gardner
"Chive Mynde" <chive...@freedom.usa.com> wrote in message
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> > "Chive Mynde" <chive...@usa.com> wrote in message
> > news:bdd362ad.02102...@posting.google.com...
> > > "Lisa Gardner" <lgardne...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> > news:<Q15s9.2178$071.1...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>...
> > >
> > > > so chive said in a post he made:
> > > >
> > > > 'I heard Lisa has been getting 'out of hand' on alt.alien.visitors
> > > > lately.'
> > > >
> > > > Now, what the fuck kind of comment is this?
> > >
> > > Let's see, where to begin...
> > >
> > > Today you posted, "I don't want this war waged on my body and
> > > on my mind anymore."
> > >
> > > Would you be so kind as to explain that comment?
> > [...]
> >
> > Yes. This ismy perception: there is a war being waged in psychic
> > space.
>
> What kind of evidence is this perception based upon?
My subjective perception and a few things that have happened
in my physical life. Mostly subjective perception.
> How do you know your perception is accurate?
I don't.
> Has anyone besides yourself observed this alleged "psychic war"
> against yourself?
>
> > It feels to me like it is being waged in my mind and on my
> > body.
>
> Please explain this feeling. Is it like pins and needles? Maybe
> you are cutting off circulation to parts of your body. No war
> required.
>
> > It feels to me *Like I am being used in about 1,000 different ways
> > ways by about as many people, to wage this war... against my will,
> > needless to say.
>
> What war? Which people? What are you doing against your will?
I am not doing anything against my will in this physical world so
far as I know - it is the data flow and other stuff that I feel happening
in my mind and the deep, deep despair that I have felt for most of
this life, that worry me.
That despair sometimes seems so huge to me that it seems that
*it can't possibly all have come from this lifetime*, even *with*
the abuse that I suffered as a child. Other people have gone through
worse and not been so despairing as I used to be.
Now that I think I may understand a bit where that despair is
coming from - that it *is* bigger than just this lifetime only - I
feel like I am better able to deal with it.
> Care to explain or provide specifics?
>
> > I want it all to stop.
>
> But just exactly what is it?
Look at my posts on usenet and other places on the internet for the
last almost eight years under the addresses:
lgar...@uclink.berkeley.edu
lgar...@netcom.com
lgar...@mbay.net
lgar...@angelfire.com
lgardne...@earthlink.net
There is a lot of spew that is all about groping to figure out what the
hell is happening to me, some descriptions of it, and some gold mixed
in with all of it.
> > I have been screaming about all of this for almost
> > eight years now, yet all of you still disregard me totally.
>
> Perhaps because we don't understand what you are talking about.
Well, try reading some of my posts.
Ask some specific questions and I will try to answer.
General questions about it all can be answered I think by looking
at my past posts.
> > I want it all to stop, *now*.
>
> What do you want to stop? The war inside your head?
Yes.
>Could you
> explain, please?
See my previous posts.
>Do we (the external world) control the war
> inside your head (the internal world)?
You are a factor in it.
>Why do you give us
> so much power over you?
I don't, that is why I am fighting so hard against it and am screaming
so loud. I *want to take any power you have over me that I feel that
you should not have*, back from you.
>Hold on, let me adjust the coordinates
> on the mind control sattelittes. There. Ok, Lisa, the satelites
> are no longer beaming on you. Tell me if you are feeling better.
Yes, thanks. hah
> > This is my perception and I am pretty fucking sure that there is
> > something to it.
>
> Well, perception happens to be flawed most of the time, which is
> why it is best to go on evidence.
Let me qualify what I am going to say now by this statement:
I believe that non-physical worlds exist. I believe that human beings
can have perception of those worlds. I believe that for many, many
years we have *not* had such perceptions.
Now, we are getting to the point as a race where *we are going
to start having perceptions of those realms again*.
But we don't quite know how to have perceptions of those non-
physical worlds. We feel something, but don't quite know how to
have those perceptions.
So, we get into this situation, the one I find myself to be in: we know
and feel and sense deeply that *there is something going on*, but we
are *not sure what it is* or *what to do with the 'senses' we have
of it happening. So our perceptions of those non-physical realms are
jumbled and confusing and all of that. We are like babies just learning
how to see with respect to those realms.
Given that, how do we deal with the question of 'evidence' for
things we dimly perceive in those realms? We don't know 'the
rules for what constitutes evidence' in those realms... or at least,
*I myself don't*.
figuring out 'what is real' and 'what isn't real' in those realms is
something that goes by *different rules* than does that whole
same process in the physical realms.
That is where the problem comes in: we feel and sense something,
but how do we determine whether it is 'real' or not? What makes
something 'real' in those non-physical realms?
That is what a lot of what I am going through is all about. Me groping
around to try to figure out 'what is real' about what I sense going
on. I just *am not willing to accept* the 'you are mentally ill' statement
as a total and complete explanation for what I am going through.
*That explanation just does not cut it for me*.
*What is feels deeply to me like I am going through right now*, is
spiritual warfare. * I will not ignore that deep feeling that I have*.
>What evidence do you have that
> your perception is accurate?
See the above.
I have some - very scanty - physical evidence of 'weird' things
happening to me and around me.
But not too much.
I think that we as a world will begin seeing more indications very soon
that 'something is up'. I think the signs of it will become much more
blatant than they have been.
But I could be totally wrong about all of this.
usually I tend to see things happening in the world about five years
after I seem to sense them happening in my own microcosm. And I
have sensed stuff happening in my own microcosm.
> > I do not want to be involved in the fighting of this
> > war
>
> What war?
I could say more about it but I won't in this post.
Maybe in another post.
> > and I do not want any parts of myself or *either of my two sons*
> > used to wage it.
> >
> > Period.
>
> I'm sorry, but I don't have any idea what you are talking about.
>
> Can you help me understand?
I am trying to.
Lisa Agnes Gardner
Lisa Gardner
"Charles D. Bohne" <Charle...@PasoSchweiz.de> wrote in message
news:2l1bruga0hsc4bksa...@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 22 Oct 2002 16:24:46 GMT, "Lisa Gardner"
> <lgardne...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >Yes. Who knows who exactly has their fingers in our minds?
> >
Okay. I am not so sure of this about myself.
I feel *something* intrusive going on there.
> After years of psychoanalyses, 30 years of dream-study,
> experiments with altered states of consciousness etc.
> I know what I am talking about.
Okay.
> >I pinpoint the government because - fucking a, I mean really -
> >*they are supposed to be the ones* involved in protecting me,
> >an american citizen whose father fought in combat three times -
> >*and I want them to get their fucking act together about it*!
> >
> Usually the government doesn't even care whether you and I exist.
> All they want is your tax-money and all they give you is that SS-number
> (Oops that's "Social Security number", of course ;-)
If this is so, then why are they trying to pass legislation that would
require that agencies submit the names of 'mentally ill' people who
have been committed involuntarily?
I mean, *obviously they care whether I exist or not*, as I am
a person who has been diagnosed with mental illness and who
was held on a psych ward under a '72-hour-hold'.
I am sure you know what that is.
> >And IMHO not only are they not protecting me, *they are
> >involved in screwing me over* and abusing me and using me!
> >
> But as you say: it's all IN YOUR MIND.
I do not know that. I know that my mind is where I am perceiving
it all. And sometimes it seems to me that my mind is 'big' and encompasses
some kind of area or something that certain people would like to
access.
I do not quite know how to 'put into reality' what I am perceiving,
and so I do the best with it that I can.
I am not willing to just ignore it or to carpet it over with drugs.
> >If they do come clean about it all then I will know that I can maybe
> >trust them. If they don't, then I will know that I should maybe
> >elsewhere, live somewhere else where I feel I am living under a
> >government *that I can trust*, wherever that may be.
> >
> There is no government you can trust, not on this whole planet.
I am starting to believe that.
> There are just people, and all they care for is centered around
> their own needs.
It certainly seems that way to me right now.
But maybe I am wrong or maybe things could change. That would
be wonderful.
> >I don't know. This is something I must deal with on a day to day
> >basis. For now, I have to fight not only to rid myself of 'them',
> >whoever 'they' are, but I have to fight to rid myself of whatever
> >it is that they are fighting, as well.
> >
> Why not change your strategy: don't fight, relax, laugh, enjoy your
> life. It's not your battle.
I *do* enjoy my life, believe it or not.
And *what I perceive to be happening in my own mind* *is* indeed
my own battle.
What you say is like someone who has lost sense of his arms or
legs suddenly having the feeling that someone is sawing of his toes
for their own purposes, saying something about it all and being told,
'it is not your battle. We've been using these toes for a long time and
now we are going to start selling them off piece by piece .'
And the guy goes, 'hey! those feel like *my* toes that you are
sawing off! You aren't going *anywhere* with those, asshole, and
I don't care *how* long you've been 'using' them.
> >Everyone who uses people of the sort that I think I am, is very
> >interested in keeping us powerless, confused, frightened, and
> >*in the dark about what is happening to us*. So we have
> >a harder road to walk upon than other people. This should
> >be acknowledged IMHO - just the acknowledgment of it all
> >would probably make it a bit easier for us.
> >
> Alright, this is part of human nature... but we all learned to adopt
> to this reality.
And should reality change a bit or our perception of it change because
we birth new senses, we will have to learn to adopt to a new reality
yet again.
Lisa Agnes Gardner
uni...@sputum.com
###############
!Echo mindstar delta rho encrypt modulo15
Would someone from Section Gamma-12 please get this under control.
This has been going on for far too long. If this shit ever gets picked
up by Control there will be severe repercussions and I for one do not
want to be on the receiving end of a Class One Mind Ream. I saw what
was left of the last idiot who let the subject get this far out of
spec.
!Endit encrypt
###############
hy
Don't play it then, Lisa. Don't let it run you. Just turn it off. Use
your will, and when you think of it, or being manipulated, turn that
channel off.
Lisa Gardner
"Phoenix" <blackhelicopter@planet.x> wrote
[...]
> > ###############
> > !Echo mindstar delta rho encrypt modulo15
> >
> > Would someone from Section Gamma-12 please get this under control.
> > This has been going on for far too long. If this shit ever gets picked
> > up by Control there will be severe repercussions and I for one do not
> > want to be on the receiving end of a Class One Mind Ream. I saw what
> > was left of the last idiot who let the subject get this far out of
> > spec.
> >
> > !Endit encrypt
> > ###############
>
[...]
Go to hell, both of you fuckheads. Go ahead. Give away the
house.
If I can find somewhere to go where I don't get the same treatment
I get here, I will probably do it.
Lisa Agnes Gardner
Lisa Gardner
"hy" <hybi...@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:3DB65AD8...@shaw.ca...
Hy, it isn't as easy as all that. To really deal with it you can't
ignore it, at least that is my opinion about the matter.
Lisa Agnes Gardner
uni...@sputum.com
wrote:
Crap - this went out clear.
Fuggit - now I'm really in the shitter. Damn cheap Korean smartcards,
always failing when you least expect it.
>Sorry about that. I got Toto to let go of the remote control.
And you still have a hand? For Bob sakes, those Hybrid "Dogs" can tear
through 1/4 inch molly-steel.
uni...@sputum.com
wrote:
>In article <cYCt9.798$6F4....@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, Lisa Gardner <lgardne...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> "Phoenix" <blackhelicopter@planet.x> wrote
>> [...]
>> > > ###############
>> > > !Echo mindstar delta rho encrypt modulo15
>> > >
>> > > Would someone from Section Gamma-12 please get this under control.
>> > > This has been going on for far too long. If this shit ever gets picked
>> > > up by Control there will be severe repercussions and I for one do not
>> > > want to be on the receiving end of a Class One Mind Ream. I saw what
>> > > was left of the last idiot who let the subject get this far out of
>> > > spec.
>> > >
>> > > !Endit encrypt
>> > > ###############
>> >
>> > Sorry about that. I got Toto to let go of the remote control.
>> [...]
>>
>> Go to hell, both of you fuckheads. Go ahead. Give away the
>> house.
>
>Crap. BOBDAMMIT. She just told SPUTUM to give away the house.
Heh, SPUTUM is the House - and the House Always Wins...
>
>> If I can find somewhere to go where I don't get the same treatment
>> I get here, I will probably do it.
>
>And if you don't?
Pointy Sticks for Everyone?
Lisa Gardner
<uni...@sputum.com> wrote in message
news:n7meruk40u1r268a4...@4ax.com...
No one has the right to use me as a slave.
> >> If I can find somewhere to go where I don't get the same treatment
> >> I get here, I will probably do it.
> >
> >And if you don't?
>
> Pointy Sticks for Everyone?
If I don't leave, then I will continue to demand to be treated
with respect. The *nerve* of me! Can you imagine? I want to
be treated with respect...
And if I *do* leave, then I guess the whole thing will be up to
whatever is left with you after I leave, huh? But if I leave I get
to take my bodies and my two sons and my loved ones with
me - that is the way it needs to be for me.
Lisa Agnes Gardner
Bokuto
Unit 24.... please put on the "frog" soundtrack for tonight's
scheduled sleep deprivation "auditory hallucination" for Lisa.
Ribbit!
--
Bokuto
Lisa Gardner
"Bokuto" <bok...@kbarrett.cotse.net> wrote in message
news:2f9iru4cfbj56um03...@4ax.com...
Oh, you're quite scary, aren't you, big man? Are you going to
play it for my three month old baby as well? What a man you
are, such a backbone.
Lets' change that order in two ways, if they are in accord
with god's will:
1) Let's set free all of the things that Bokuto, unit24 and their
friends are using as 'slaves and servants' either here in physical
reality, or otherwheres in the non-physical realms.
2) Then let's have that tape played for Unit24 and Bokuto
*themselves*, instead of for me or any people or animals
whom I care about. Sound good?
Or you could always apologize.
Lisa Agnes Gardner
I *will* act defensively to protect myself. Usually I do this
by 'setting free' things. Now if you are being good to those
things, they will stay by you. If you are abusive, they will
run away from you as fast as they can, and they may even
start fighting against you themselves. Others do the 'setting
free' thing themselves also. I just talked with one this morning.
Chive Mynde
"Lisa Gardner" <lgardne...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >Hold on, let me adjust the coordinates
> > on the mind control sattelittes. There. Ok, Lisa, the satelites
> > are no longer beaming on you. Tell me if you are feeling better.
>
> Yes, thanks. hah
Anything for you, Lisa.
How are you doing these days?
Better, I hope.
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"Those who had begun the experiment so long ago
had not been men. But when they looked out
across the deeps of space, they felt awe and wonder
- and loneliness. In their explorations, they
encountered life in many forms, and watched on a
thousand worlds the workings of evolution. They saw
how often the first faint sparks of intelligence
flickered and died in the cosmic night. And because,
in all the galaxy, they had found nothing more precious
than Mind, they encouraged its dawning everywhere."
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