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Bulletproof Man

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Feb 7, 2002, 5:46:38 PM2/7/02
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I am considering a major RAM upgrade on my machine. My question is whether
it is better to have more of a worse kind of RAM or less of a better kind of
RAM. My main options are 512 MB PC 2100 RAM or 768 MB or PC 133 RAM. Which
is better? Thanks.

-BPM


JohnR

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Feb 7, 2002, 5:54:36 PM2/7/02
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Less of faster is better than more of slower. 512 is plenty.

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choagy

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Feb 7, 2002, 5:58:29 PM2/7/02
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If you have slots for both 2100 and 133 on the same M/B (Like some Jetway
M/B`s) I would think that there may be some limit to the configuration, ie
slot 1 in use might mean you can`t use slot 3/4 etc. That was the way some
K6/Pentium M/B`s were configured. Personally I would get the 2100 as if you
are able to use it the chances are that you will be running a P3or 4 or
possibly an Athlon chip and if so why not use the highest spec you can
afford. Just IMHO.:-)

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Morgan Sales

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Feb 7, 2002, 6:56:34 PM2/7/02
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Which such a small difference in amounts I'd go for the faster.

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Black Aliss

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Feb 7, 2002, 7:58:09 PM2/7/02
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Like someone said, you cannot use PC1600 or PC2100 in the slots on a
motherboard designed for 100/133. The same rule applies as it did back in
the old days, i.e you couldn't use SIMMs in DIMM slots and vice versa. If
you don't know whether your motherboard can take DDR (that's PC1600 or
2100), consult the manual, or the dealer you bought your system from. I'm
not sure that using DDR in a DIMM slot will damage the system, or whether
it'll simply not work, but most dealers will not accept RAM back after it's
been tried. so check your specs VERY carefully. DDR (Double Data Rate) is
designed to be 2x as fast as normal RAM. Another rule of thumb is your chip.
P4 motherboards, AFAIK, don't take DDR, so if you have a P4, you can be
pretty sure you can rule it out as an option. Having said that, if you've
bought your system within the last couple of months, you may have a P4 that
can; but as a general rule, it can only be used in Athlon (Socket A)
systems.


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Ken Blake

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Feb 7, 2002, 10:16:30 PM2/7/02
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> I am considering a major RAM upgrade on my machine. My


That depends on what apps you run, and therefore how much RAM
you'll be using. Most people's apps will seldom use more than
512MB, so if you fall into that category, it's better to have
512MB of faster RAM rather than more of slower RAM.

On the other hand, if, for example, you do photographic editing
of large images, you can probably use much more than 512MB, and
more RAM will be more important than its speed.

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Kadaitcha Man

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Feb 8, 2002, 12:07:51 AM2/8/02
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"Black Aliss" <black...@lancrecoven.dw> wrote in message
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> P4 motherboards, AFAIK, don't take DDR, so if you have a P4, you can be
> pretty sure you can rule it out as an option.

Stupid bitch.

http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/products/8irxp.htm
http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/products/8srx.htm

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Mark Van Bruggen

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Feb 8, 2002, 12:25:36 AM2/8/02
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P4 boards do now take DDR ram.....

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Kadaitcha Man

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Feb 8, 2002, 1:16:21 AM2/8/02
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Better make sure your motherboard supports the ram you buy.

Synapse Syndrome

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Feb 8, 2002, 5:57:38 AM2/8/02
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I remember she once said "ofcourse you can mix PC100 and PC133 RAM with no
problems" which you can only do if your RAM is running at 100Mhz.

J


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Cucca

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Feb 8, 2002, 6:42:46 AM2/8/02
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i have 64MB of corsair pc2400 and it rockz!
i think that PC2100 rockz too... maybe a little slower but always better
that pc 133!

bye

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Morgan Sales

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Feb 8, 2002, 9:02:48 AM2/8/02
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"Synapse Syndrome" <paradr...@hotmail.comNOSPAM> wrote in message
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> I remember she once said "ofcourse you can mix PC100 and PC133 RAM with no
> problems" which you can only do if your RAM is running at 100Mhz.

Depends what you class as no problems. I was running a mix for about 6
months, wasn't a problem because my CPU only had a FSB of 100MHz. I got the
133 stuff because it was the same price as the 100MHz and was better for
when I next upgraded.

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Kadaitcha Man

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Feb 8, 2002, 9:28:51 AM2/8/02
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"Morgan Sales" <msales...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> "Synapse Syndrome" <paradr...@hotmail.comNOSPAM> wrote in message
> news:0bO88.7571$as2.1...@news6-win.server.ntlworld.com...
> > I remember she once said "ofcourse you can mix PC100 and PC133 RAM with
no
> > problems" which you can only do if your RAM is running at 100Mhz.
>
> Depends what you class as no problems. I was running a mix for about 6
> months, wasn't a problem because my CPU only had a FSB of 100MHz. I got
the
> 133 stuff because it was the same price as the 100MHz and was better for
> when I next upgraded.

Premise: PC-133 RAM is faster/better/cheaper than PC-100 RAM.

Argument: PC-100 and PC-133 RAM strips both use micron RAM chips. PC-100 RAM
is rated at 8ns, while PC-133 is rated at 7.5ns. With an 8ns speed, 8
nanoseconds into 1000 nanoseconds is 125, so PC-100 is, in reality,
equivalent to PC-125 RAM.

There is such a miniscule performance difference between PC-100 and PC-133
RAM that it would not be possible for the naked eye to detect the less than
one frame per second difference PC-133 would provide in standard fps
benchmarks.

Conclusion: The world moved on to double speed, registered DDR and Morgypoo
was left with a lemon. Morgypoo is a fuckchop.

Black Aliss

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Feb 9, 2002, 11:36:37 PM2/9/02
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Can you not read, you cretinous moron?

"Having said that, if you've bought your system within the last couple of
months, you may have a P4 that can"

Or do you only read what you wish to read? Dumbfuck!

Aliss

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Kadaitcha Man

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Feb 9, 2002, 11:52:05 PM2/9/02
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"Black Aliss" <black...@lancrecoven.dw> wrote in message
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> Can you not read, you cretinous moron?
>
> "Having said that, if you've bought your system within the last couple of
> months, you may have a P4 that can"
>
> Or do you only read what you wish to read? Dumbfuck!

Here is your free clue, dear. See if you get it;

Do not read anything that Americans write. Instead, to support your
argument, offer an interpretation of what you thought they might have said.
You may also expand on this by offering an opinion of what you think they
should have said.

If you are inadvertently forced to read something written by an American,
never read it in sequential order and certainly never, ever read a post from
an American in context. It is imperative to try to understand what _you_
think the American is trying to convey rather than what he really is
attempting to say. Reading a post from an American in any sort of order will
only retard your assessment of what you think he might have or should have
said.

If you find yourself reading a post from American, you should take great
care to remember that what you think an American meant to say is far more
important than what he really tried to say.

You should always interpret American scribblings in usenet as actually
describing the way they think, though this does not apply if the American is
trying to describe the way they think things should be. This is an extremely
difficult call to make and if you are finding it difficult going, just take
it out of context, misquote it and use it in evidence against the American.
This is a very good fallback position as Americans never notice it. However
be aware that America has a Constitution to protect the rights of its
citizens, thus Americans have the right to remain stupid.

You should consider all Americans to be vacuous and stupid. Do not allow
bleating and whining Americans to convince you that you are being unfair to
them as this tactic will merely divert you from the truth.

A little bit of history under your belt will go a long way to understanding
the American psyche. If you ever find yourself discussing Vietnam with an
American, you will do well to remember the three American interpretations of
the outcome of that war, vis-a-vis:

A) America won

B) America lost

C) America neither won nor lost. It just came second

Remember that American posts are complete fabrications, which are devoid of
scholarship and never contain a single considered thought. It is best to
skip an American's messages altogether because only very small fragments of
their posts will be meaningful anyway.

If you must reply to a post from an American and wish to give the American
the benefit of reading his/her words again by including quotations from
their post in order to prove that you are right and the American is wrong,
the following procedure will assist you:

Cut out all the paragraphs from his post and keep only every third or fourth
one -- This can be varied according to the phases of the seasons, the days
of the week, or even the music being played on the radio -- for example, if
today is Wednesday and it is winter and Elvis Presley music is being played,
cut out three lines from each paragraph, cut out every second paragraph that
is left, cut the last paragraph and paste it to where the first one was.

If you are not too concerned about being very sensitive to Americans and do
not care about their self-esteem (thanks Gnu), then by all means, paste
quotes from other people's messages and force the American to admit they
were his comments.

It is quite acceptable and within the limits of permissible discussion with
an American to leave words, phrases, sentences, and entire paragraphs out of
the quote. It is also allowable to engage in stealthy fact swapping and
exaggeration in order to conceal and confuse the original context of the
American's opinion beyond recognition. In short, if it is to your benefit
and the American's disadvantage, it is allowable. However you should be wary
of even hinting to the American that you have done any of these things
because the information may come in handy when the American becomes
psychotic and follows you from one newsgroup to the next and maniacally
posts 9kb messages containing what he or she thinks is proof that you were
wrong.

If you feel that the American you are engaged in debate with is attempting
any of these devices you should wail loudly and accuse the American of
typical small-mindedness, under-handed fact swapping, deception,
deceitfulness, treachery, dishonesty, duplicity, perfidy ... and whatever
other words your superior (by default) education has provided to your
repertoire.

In conclusion, the method outlined here for engaging Americans in discussion
will almost guarantee that you will be in the forefront of the American's
mind... along with his or her psychoses, hallucinations, nausea, dizziness,
anxiety, panic attacks, insomnia, confusion and depression.

If you play the mind-game right, you can bypass the American's conscious
mind (well, what little there is of it, anyway) and enter whatever
information you so desire directly into their thick bone heads and they'll
never ever know -- unless you keep archives so you can rub their faces in it
when they psychotically chase you around usenet yelling, "I WIN! I WIN! I
WIN!"

Remember now, what is important is what _you_ claim the American said, not
what the American _actually_ said. Be untruthful, deceptive, ambiguous,
arrogant, condescending, pompous, patronising, scornful and wishy-washy. Who
cares? The American might, but does anyone else? Who will know? Certainly
not the American.

IMPORTANT FOOTNOTE: Canadians (canuckleheads) are American by default. It is
quite acceptable to assume that a canuck is, in actual fact, a wanabee
American. Wanabbe Americans should be as mercilessly Yankee Bashed as
Americans.

ZOD

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Feb 14, 2002, 10:21:47 PM2/14/02
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> designed to be 2x as fast as normal RAM. Another rule of thumb is your
chip.
> P4 motherboards, AFAIK, don't take DDR, so if you have a P4, you can be

AFAHK......he doesn't know jack..lol

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