The handle here is.....
K0HB
bands, here is an excerpt from a book written 60 years ago by Clinton
DeSoto.
"Among radio amateurs there is a genuine brotherhood and informal
camaraderie. Everyone is called by his "handle" -- his first name
or nickname. The president of the Chicago Stock Exchange and the
mechanic in a Birmingham garage are just "Paul" and "Joe" when
they meet on the air."
73, de Hans, K0HB
--
> >Frisbeetarianism: The belief that when you die,
> >your soul goes up the on roof and gets stuck.
> What roof would this be?
The Roof of the Universe. And in the Last Days,
when the Great Frisbee that shineth in the sky
hath gone out, then shalt the Almighty Thrower
ascend the Ladder of Life and collect the souls
of those who have flown free, and take them The
Eternal Park, where we shall sail upon the Spring
Breezes for ever and ever, and be Fetched by the
Holy Dog. Amen.
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Brian
K0HB <K0...@arrl.org> wrote:
> For those who get their shorts all knotted up about CB lingo on the
ham
> bands, here is an excerpt from a book written 60 years ago by Clinton
> DeSoto.
>
> "Among radio amateurs there is a genuine brotherhood and informal
> camaraderie. Everyone is called by his "handle" -- his first name
> or nickname. The president of the Chicago Stock Exchange and the
> mechanic in a Birmingham garage are just "Paul" and "Joe" when
> they meet on the air."
>
> 73, de Hans, K0HB
Hans, thats all very nice and good, but Cecil "keyed" us in on this
little bit of history a long time ago.
Good luck on finding another tidbit to troll with.
Ed Hare, W1RFI
> > "Among radio amateurs there is a genuine brotherhood and informal
> > camaraderie. Everyone is called by his "handle" -- his first name
> > or nickname. The president of the Chicago Stock Exchange and the
> > mechanic in a Birmingham garage are just "Paul" and "Joe" when
> > they meet on the air."
> Good luck on finding another tidbit to troll with.
The term "troll" usually has some pretty negative implications. Do you
believe that this post was intended only to goad people into arguing with
each other for the amusement of the poster?
I believe that Hans posted it because it was a neat piece of information
that has relevance that may just stop one tiny bit of the arguing we do
here.
Hans, please find another tidbit to use to try to convince people not to
argue over insignificant details like 11-meter ops using the term "handle"
instead of name. :-)
73,
Ed Hare, W1RFI
Brian
"Ed Hare, W1RFI" <w1...@arrl.net> wrote:
> Brian <brian...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> > > "Among radio amateurs there is a genuine brotherhood and informal
> > > camaraderie. Everyone is called by his "handle" -- his first
name
> > > or nickname. The president of the Chicago Stock Exchange and the
> > > mechanic in a Birmingham garage are just "Paul" and "Joe" when
> > > they meet on the air."
>
> > Good luck on finding another tidbit to troll with.
>
> The term "troll" usually has some pretty negative implications. Do
you
> believe that this post was intended only to goad people into arguing
> with each other for the amusement of the poster?
Until a better explanation comes up, 10-4?
> I believe that Hans posted it because it was a neat piece of
information
> that has relevance that may just stop one tiny bit of the arguing we
> do here.
"Hans the Humanitarian." It just doesn't ring true.
> Hans, please find another tidbit to use to try to convince people not
to
> argue over insignificant details like 11-meter ops using the term
"handle"
> instead of name. :-)
>
> 73,
> Ed Hare, W1RFI
Dr. Conrad Connie
ham
> bands, here is an excerpt from a book written 60 years ago by Clinton
> DeSoto.
>
> "Among radio amateurs there is a genuine brotherhood and informal
> camaraderie. Everyone is called by his "handle" -- his first name
> or nickname. The president of the Chicago Stock Exchange and the
> mechanic in a Birmingham garage are just "Paul" and "Joe" when
> they meet on the air."
>
> 73, de Hans, K0HB
>
You're so right! I recall hams using handle before CB was popular.
In fact that term was stolen from ham lingo.
Apparently some of the non-old timers, who were not around in the 1960s,
aren't aware Handle was in common useage.
I did hear somebody say 10-4 the other day on 40, and quite frankly
thats not from CB either.. a stolen product. The COPS have this as a
part of their 10- code.. I am told.. and have had for decades.
Dan/W4NTI
fact is CB stole most, if not all, of their proceedures and pro-words
from either Ham, public service, or commercial service radio services.
Dan/W4NTI
--
"Just tellin the truth, and they cain't stand it."
Phil Kane
>For those who get their shorts all knotted up about CB lingo on the ham
>bands, here is an excerpt from a book written 60 years ago by Clinton
>DeSoto.
>
> "Among radio amateurs there is a genuine brotherhood and informal
> camaraderie. Everyone is called by his "handle" -- his first name
> or nickname. The president of the Chicago Stock Exchange and the
> mechanic in a Birmingham garage are just "Paul" and "Joe" when
> they meet on the air."
It was obvious at the time that the CBers got it from us. Just
as they got their mutilated "10" codes from the police community.
The "country" and "good buddy" lingo came from an individual in
the Ozarks who was on the air some 20+ hours a day in the late
60s and actually talked like that as a regular thing. We used to
hear him very plainly at the monitoring stations in California.
--
73 de Phil Kane - K2ASP
Jeffrey Herman
>You got it right. I'm sure your just trying to be nice. But the basic
>fact is CB stole most, if not all, of their proceedures and pro-words
>from either Ham, public service, or commercial service radio services.
Where did "slider" (as in VFO) originate, Dan? =:o
73, Jeff KH6O
Len Over 21
<Phil...@nospam.spam> writes:
>>For those who get their shorts all knotted up about CB lingo on the ham
>>bands, here is an excerpt from a book written 60 years ago by Clinton
>>DeSoto.
>>
>> "Among radio amateurs there is a genuine brotherhood and informal
>> camaraderie. Everyone is called by his "handle" -- his first name
>> or nickname. The president of the Chicago Stock Exchange and the
>> mechanic in a Birmingham garage are just "Paul" and "Joe" when
>> they meet on the air."
>
> It was obvious at the time that the CBers got it from us. Just
> as they got their mutilated "10" codes from the police community.
Phil, the etymology of the word "handle" goes back to the
West of America and the American cowboy, used about the
time an itinerant portrait painter in the east got financial help
from a railroad family to develop a new landline
communications mode.
Does the name Broderick Crawford ring a bell?
> The "country" and "good buddy" lingo came from an individual in
> the Ozarks who was on the air some 20+ hours a day in the late
> 60s and actually talked like that as a regular thing. We used to
> hear him very plainly at the monitoring stations in California.
Phil, again you have to go all the way west to Hollywood and
a number of motion pictures and made-for-TV-films on the
patois of CB...or to natives of Oklahoma who grew up to drive
18-wheelers and big rigs cross-country for a living. Oh, yes,
we've heard them very plainly next to I-5 in Southern
California... :-)
I'm wondering what kind of nonsense is being foisted on
everyone. It is saintly and authoritative to refer to a
location as "QTH" but it is evil mutilated robbery to refer
to a location as "10-20." On voice. Why can't folks
simply say "location?" :-)
Roger that.
didit
Dick Carroll
Brian wrote:
>
> "Hans the Humanitarian." It just doesn't ring true.
>
Would Hans the Hun sound better?
W1RFI
>But the basic fact is CB stole most, if not all, of their proceedures and
pro-words
>from either Ham, public service, or commercial service radio services.
Where did hams get their use of Q codes?
I see nothing wrong with one radio service using the procedures developed in
another.
Interestingly, the use of the 10 codes on voice is seen by some as having more
validity than the use of Q codes on voice. Why does one create such moral
outrage if heard on amateur frequencies?
73,
Ed Hare, W1RFI
Brian Kelly
"Dr. Conrad Connie" wrote:
> I did hear somebody say 10-4 the other day on 40, and quite frankly
> thats not from CB either.. a stolen product. The COPS have this as a
> part of their 10- code.. I am told.. and have had for decades.
>
The ten code was been dropped eons ago by the gendarmes in this area.
>
Every once in awhile I drop a "10-4" or a "what's yer 20?" on one of the 2m
machines just to see how many Bronx cheers I can generate.
K0HB
LRod <lr...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> Now, "personal," and "all the good numbers" are a different story.
>
Talked to a young fella on the repeater the other day who introduced
himself by saying "my first personal is Jim and you're my first
contact, QSL?".
He seemed like a nice sort, delighted that he had just received his
shiny new call sign, and was anxious to make some new friends. Kinda
sounded like I felt when I put my new call sign on the air the first
time way back when, except probably brighter, cuz Jim is one of those
young computer jocks. Me, I still got problems with the LL scale on my
Pickett slide rule. Yep, I think Jim sounded brighter than me, quick to
catch on to things.
But I don't think Jim will be back on the repeater. Before I had a
chance to really get to know much about Jim, or even wrangle an invite
to lunch, another station, with an impressive "senior" call sign joined
the contact, flashed his shiny Radio Cop badge, and proceeded to issue
Jim a "verbal speeding ticket" for improper lingo on the radio. "Radio
Cop" said the term "personal" (and for that matter "handle") were
unwelcome in ham radio, and that Q-signals were not to be used on VHF
voice. Just generally made my newfound friend feel like an unwashed
interloper. (Gosh, I've been saying "handle" since I was a conditional
class. Slow to catch on, you know.)
Now I should point out that "Radio Cop" took pains to appear very well
meaning. Didn't use any bad words that I noticed, was quite polite,
even seemed like he was trying to be "helpful." In other words, he
thought he was doing Jim a favor by pointing out his transgression from
our sacred Amateur Radio way of doing things. I think Jim felt just the
same way I did back in a new school in third grade when the well
meaning teacher pointed out that "we don't keep our pencil behind our
ear in this room." Sure enough, I looked around and none of my new
classmates had pencils behind their ears. Sure was embarrassing, and at
that moment I really wished I was back with my good old buddies in
second grade. Now, if I'd been allowed to hang out a couple of days,
I'm sure I would have learned how to properly stow my pencil. And if
Jim would have hung around a couple of days on our repeater I just bet
he would have noticed that his lingo, perhaps learned in another radio
service, was a bit out of place, and pretty soon Jim would sound "just
like the rest of us." Like I said, he seemed pretty bright to me, quick
to catch on to things.
"Radio Cop", you have kept our hobby uncorrupted. I heard Jim down
around 27 Mhz this morning, and saw his ad on eBay trying to sell his
barely used 2-meter HT. I'm gonna miss my new friend Jim, because I
think I could have learned something from him. Maybe you could have
also.
Like I said, he seemed pretty bright to me, quick to catch on to
things. What do think it was that he caught on to about us from "Radio
Cop".
73, de Hans, K0HB
~~~
When a true genius appears in this world, you may know him by
this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him.
~~~
K0HB
Brian <brian...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> "Hans the Humanitarian." It just doesn't ring true.
>
I think a paraphrase of the classic speech by Edgar Friendly is in
order here.
I'm the enemy, 'cause I like to think, I like to point out the "not so
obvious", I like to send "didahhhhhhhhhhdit", I like to champion the
little guy, and I like to deflate the pompous and self-righteous
granfalloons(*). I'm into freedom of speech and freedom of choice.
I'm the kind of guy who likes to sit in a greasy spoon and
wonder, "Gee! Should I have the T-bone steak or the jumbo rack of
barbeque ribs with a side order of gravy fries?" I want high
cholesterol. I want to eat bacon, and butter, and buckets of cheese,
ok? I want to smoke a Cuban cigar the size of Cinncinnatti in the non-
smoking section. Why? Because I suddenly might feel the need to, ok
pal? I've seen your future, know what it is? It's a 43-year-old
virtual-virgin sitting around in his beige pajamas drinking a banana-
broccoli shake, singing "I'd like to be an Oscar-Mayer weiner."
73, Hans, K0HB
--
* If you wish to observe a granfalloon, peel the skin from a childs'
balloon.
Dan/W4NTI
priest or something. Thats the trouble today. No one wants to pay
their way anymore. Heck when I first got on AM phone I was made to
feel 2 inches high. You know, not enough audio, your too week, give me
a call when you grow up youngun.. etc.
It didn't run me off, I just dug in and LEARNED.
Dan/W4NTI
--
"Just tellin the truth, and they cain't stand it."
Dan/W4NTI
jeff...@Hawaii.Edu (Jeffrey Herman) wrote:
> In article <942u5v$r7t$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, Dan/W4NTI <w4nti@my-
deja.com> wrote:
> >You got it right. I'm sure your just trying to be nice. But the
basic
> >fact is CB stole most, if not all, of their proceedures and pro-words
> >from either Ham, public service, or commercial service radio
services.
>
> Where did "slider" (as in VFO) originate, Dan? =:o
>
> 73, Jeff KH6O
>
back good buddy radio. Just had to listen to the truckers once in a
while when I fixed em.
K0HB
Dick Carroll <di...@townsqr.com> wrote:
> Would Hans the Hun sound better?
K0CKB calls me "Hon" -- is that close enuf?
73, Hans, K0H(oney)B(uns)
--
A person's maturity consists in having found
again the seriousness one had as a child, at play.
--Friedrich Nietzsche
"God is dead" -- Nietzsche
"Nietzsche is dead" -- God
K0HB
w1...@aol.com (W1RFI) wrote:
> Interestingly, the use of the 10 codes on voice is seen by some as
having more
> validity than the use of Q codes on voice. Why does one create such
moral
> outrage if heard on amateur frequencies?
What's interesting to me, is the "vintage" of those "outraged". With a
few exceptions they are usually not "old timers" or "newbies" but
rather those licensed in the 70's through about 1988 or so. These are
the ones who posture about "purity of the ham race" and look down their
nose at any ham who "isn't like them". They are, by and large,
products of the incentive licensing system with it's fragmentation of
the hobby into exclusive ghettos, reeking of "status" and "rank" and "I
can beep faster than you can beep".
When you and I got into this hobby, you got no special call sign, no
special status, no special band segments, the callbook didn't show your
class, and nobody could poke around the QRZ.COM website to check
your "status". All of us, >ALL OF US<, exuberantly played in the ether
as equals, and nobody gave a rip if you were a Conditional, General,
Advanced, or Extra. You were a ham - PERIOD! I think that's what
makes us old-timers more accepting of those who "don't act just like
us".
73, Hans, K0HB
--
There are two basic rules to being human.
Rule number one: Human beings want nothing more than
to contribute to other human beings.
Rule number two: Human beings will not tolerate being
contributed to.
Phil Kane
>Does the name Broderick Crawford ring a bell?
"Why you dirty rotten stinking rat, Ten Four...."
>> The "country" and "good buddy" lingo came from an individual in
>> the Ozarks who was on the air some 20+ hours a day in the late
>> 60s and actually talked like that as a regular thing. We used to
>> hear him very plainly at the monitoring stations in California.
>
>Phil, again you have to go all the way west to Hollywood and
>a number of motion pictures and made-for-TV-films on the
>patois of CB...
I'm referring to a good five to ten years before CB made its
mark on TV and movies.
>or to natives of Oklahoma who grew up to drive
>18-wheelers and big rigs cross-country for a living.
Ditto...and from my short assignment in Oklahoma City in 1961,
by then all the "Oakies" lived in Bakersfield.....
>It is saintly and authoritative to refer to a
>location as "QTH" but it is evil mutilated robbery to refer
>to a location as "10-20." On voice. Why can't folks
>simply say "location?" :-)
"10-20" has a honorable history in public-safety voice comms
but the "mutilation" is to drop the "10" and just refer to your
"twenty".
>Roger that.
...good buddy and I'm gone.....
Phil Kane
>The ten code was been dropped eons ago by the gendarmes in this area.
The Los Angeles PD never used the "10" code. The only
non-plain-language "codes" were "Code 1" through "Code 7" and
they actually published a brochure detailing them.
The Los Angeles Sheriff's Department used a "nine" code.
The California Highway Patrol used a modified "10" code with
"eleven" code additions.
Made it interesting for us 50s-60s era police radio buffs
(before scanners were avaliable).
Aaron Jones
>The ten code was been dropped eons ago by the gendarmes in this area.
The cops still use the 10 codes it in Phoenix. One of the favorite
tricks the dispatchers liked to play on a rookie was to ask a question
using a seldom used 10 code. Then time him to see how long it took him
to look it up on his code sheet and reply...
Aaron Jones
>Interestingly, the use of the 10 codes on voice is seen by some as having more
>validity than the use of Q codes on voice.
Every hobby has it's preferred lingo. If you use the wrong lingo you
immediately identify yourself as an outsider...
Aaron Jones
>Talked to a young fella on the repeater the other day who introduced
>himself by saying "my first personal is Jim and you're my first
>contact, QSL?".
Of course he could have avoided the gaff by simply listening to the
repeater for a few weeks before using it to see how things are done.
That's good practice whether on FM, RTTY, CW or a new newsgroup...
Aaron Jones
> "10-20" has a honorable history in public-safety voice comms
> but the "mutilation" is to drop the "10" and just refer to your
> "twenty".
Even cops often shorten the 10 codes to just the last number. It makes
sense if it takes less air time and the meaning is understood by all.
10 codes, although codes, actually become words in the users minds,
and like words often evolve with use...
Cecil
> Sorry Hans, if he can't take some criticism then he needs to go be a
> priest or something. Thats the trouble today. No one wants to pay
> their way anymore. Heck when I first got on AM phone I was made to
> feel 2 inches high. You know, not enough audio, your too week, give me
> a call when you grow up youngun.. etc.
Sorry, Dan, this is amateur radio, not the Marines. Hazing has been
frowned on for a number of years now.
--
http://www.mindspring.com/~w6rca
Cecil
That's my goal in life, Aaron, to be considered an outsider.
Why would anyone want to be a lemming?
--
http://www.mindspring.com/~w6rca
W4JLE
panties in a wad when you see a Confederate flag and scream KKK!
People have a tendency to assign values to something symbolic rather it is
accurate or not!
I still say "handle", I used it a long time before any CBer used it, and the
use by a CBer or anyone else does not obviate me using it.
Look at the term "Good Buddy", some where along the line it got changed from
an unknown friend on the CB airwaves to a derisive term implying
homosexuality.
Who is the grand guru of symbols that assigns these meanings?
"W1RFI" <w1...@aol.com> wrote in message
Brian
LRod
jeff...@Hawaii.Edu (Jeffrey Herman) wrote:
> Where did "slider" originate, Dan?
Now we're getting into an area I can speak about.
As any self respecting Chicagoan (and the environs) knows, a slider is a
small square hamburger with a pickle and onions that is only purchased
and eaten in quantities of 5 or more. Fries and onion rings are NOT
optional, they must be consumed as well for the full effect. And that
effect probably is what gives them the name "sliders."
Oh, I guess their real name is White Castle. I don't think that's a
pronouncable word, however. Everytime I've heard someone try, it comes
out "sliders." TAKE HOME A SACKFUL is their slogan.
Anyone having to live somewhere besides Chicago (and the environs) is
comforted by the fact that they are available frozen in many other areas
of the country.
LRod
Dick Carroll
And it *is* faster. "54, 10-20?" as a question saves time and verbiage
over
"Car 54 where are you located?"
Dick Carroll
Dan/W4NTI wrote:
>
if he can't take some criticism then he needs to go be a
> priest or something. Thats the trouble today. No one wants to pay
> their way anymore. Heck when I first got on AM phone I was made to
> feel 2 inches high. You know, not enough audio, your too week, give me
> a call when you grow up youngun.. etc.
>
> It didn't run me off, I just dug in and LEARNED.
They don't make survivors anymore, just jittery, fragile newbies with
sensitivities.
Dick Carroll
The poor kid is sure to have a rough life, what with being too ignorant
to grasp a new procedure in a new environment, then being put off so
easily when gently corrected. What *is* this new generation ever going
to amount to, anyway?
LRod
"Phil Kane" <Phil...@nospam.spam> wrote:
> ...The only non-plain-language "codes" were "Code 1" through "Code
> 7" and they actually published a brochure detailing them.
>
> The California Highway Patrol used a modified "10" code ...
So do several departments in the western suburbs of Chicago
(combination of 10 sigs and Codes 1-7).
In Metro Dade County, Florida (Miami), they use Q signals.......on
voice.
Harrumph.
Robert Casey
Brian Kelly
Phil Kane wrote:
>
I forget how many 10 codes there are/were on the "official list" but I
think it's around to thirty of 'em. 40? Looney-tunes. All they do is tax
memories and generate mistakes and confusion when you least needed either.
>
In the mid-70s I set up a passive CB-equipped neighborhood Townwatch
security association and created a completly non-standard 10 code list of
about 12 codes which still works well. Those codes don't go any farther
than routine operations, mostly to avoid spilling the beans about when the
patrols are or are not "on the street" or where they are, etc. All other
comms are plain language per all police operations in the Philly area I've
heard. I've noticed that the locals are also packing cell phones these
days, that oughta cut down on problems with the scanner nuts.
>
> --
> 73 de Phil Kane - K2ASP
>
w3rv
Brian Kelly
Aaron Jones wrote:
>
Ya mean like cw exchanges are a languge?
>
w3rv
W1RFI
>Of course he could have avoided the gaff by simply listening to the
>repeater for a few weeks before using it to see how things are done.
I didn't listen to the bands for a few weeks before using my Novice ticket. The
day it showed up in the mailbox, I sent my first CQ and made a few contacts.
The "gaff" could have been avoided if everyone had decided that it wasn't a big
enough deal to be labeled a "gaff" in the first place. How was he to know that
he might face criticism if he didn't choose the correct words when he
introduced himself to people? Let's see, after a few weeks, he MIGHT have
figured out that "handle" was okay if he was talking to an old timer, but a
newcomer might think he used to be a CBer, and he MIGHT have been a freebander,
so he should ....
At any rate, I hope he received a warm welcome to our community instead of a
lecture.
73,
Ed Hare, W1RFI
W1RFI
> The poor kid is sure to have a rough life, what with being too ignorant
>to grasp a new procedure in a new environment, then being put off so
>easily when gently corrected. What *is* this new generation ever going
>to amount to, anyway?
I sure hope no one told him he was "ignorant" when they "gently corrected" him.
73,
Ed Hare, W1RFI
W1RFI
>Every hobby has it's preferred lingo. If you use the wrong lingo you
>immediately identify yourself as an outsider...
You do mean "former" outsider, do you not? This fellow did get a ham license,
so he is now one of us.
73,
Ed Hare, W1RFI
W1RFI
>Heck when I first got on AM phone I was made to
>feel 2 inches high.
Exactly why AM phone is of interest to so few, I imagine...
73,
Ed Hare, W1RFI
W1RFI
> They don't make survivors anymore, just jittery, fragile newbies with
>sensitivities.
That could describe me when I was first licensed as a Novice.
Fortunately, I didn't find anyone who felt that it was best for Amateur Radio
that he reminded me that I was a jittery, fragile newbie with sensitivities.
Frankly, Dick, I would much rather see new hams with sensitivities than those
who are cold and insensitive to the feelings of others.
73,
Ed Hare, W1RFI
Dwight Stewart
>
> [snip] Like I said, he seemed pretty bright to me,
> quick to catch on to things. What do think it was
> that he caught on to about us from "Radio Cop".
I'll never forget my worst incident with a "radio cop." I had
encouraged my wife to get her license. Since she knew absolutely
nothing about radio before studying for that exam, and had studied for
three weeks to pass the exam, that license was hard earned and she was
darn proud of it.
Anyway, part way through our second conversation on the radio, the
"radio cop" made his grand entrance. The previous night, my wife had
problems getting her radio set up to work correctly (it was my old radio
- purchased because it was loaded with features, not because it was
necessarily easy to use). So our conversation was somewhat limited that night.
However, the next night, I had set the radio up to default to an
easier mode (preset memory channels), so that we could concentrait more
on conversation (figuring she would eventually learn the radio
eventually on her own).
Anyway, that night, we tried several of the memory channels (each set
to a different repeater), trying to figure out which repeater would be
best for her to talk on during her trip to and from work each day (which
repeater had coverage of the whole trip distance).
Finally, we settled on two memory channels - the main one and a backup
(which would be set to memory channels one and two on the radio). As we
were discussing this, a male voice boomed in with the words,
"frequencies, not channels." Believing that someone else might want to
use the repeater, I told my wife to hold on a second and invited the
person to go ahead.
At that point, the "radio cop" started lecturing my wife about how we
use frequencies instead of channels in ham radio and further suggested
that she should also stop using CB slang (she had said "roger" earlier).
When he was finished, I explained that we were referring to the memory
channels on her radio, that she was new to ham radio, that my goal was
just to get her talking on the radio at this point, and that little
issues like that could be corrected later.
In response, he pointed out that radio memories were nothing more than
memorized frequencies, that I should refer to the frequencies memorized
instead of the memory channels, that I was failing my wife by not
teaching her properly from the beginning, and then turned back to
lecture my wife some more, ending with a suggestion that she find
someone better than me to teach her in the future if she wants to learn
how to do things correctly.
After he was finished, I thanked him for his input and tried to
contact my wife again. She simply said that she was almost home (she
wasn't) and that she would talk to me when she got there.
It took me almost four days to get her to talk on the radio again, and
then only on a frequency that I was able to assure her was not likely
monitored by anyone else. And, dispite our almost nightly
conversations, it was going to be another five months before she would
be confident enough to talk to someone else. In fact, to this day
(almost two years later), she has only talked to two people, besides
myself, on the radio. And her enthusiasm about, and pride in, radio are
long gone.
In the end, the "radio cop" did a good job of defending "proper"
tradition on the radio. But in doing so, he ruined my wife's enjoyment
of this hobby (and, for all practical purposes, ended her hobby before
it even got started). And that is why I'll never forget that "radio cop."
Dwight Stewart (W5NET)
K0HB
stew...@sccoast.net wrote:
> And that is why I'll never forget that "radio cop."
Probably N2EY?
73, Hans, K0HB
K0HB
LRod <lr...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> Anyone having to live somewhere besides Chicago (and the environs) is
> comforted by the fact that they are available frozen in many other
> areas of the country.
I think they're headquartered in Ohio somewhere.
I lived on sliders (12 cents each in those days) all the way through
college. We have 3 or 4 "slider stores" here in the Mpls/St.Paul area,
and about once-a-month several hams in the area get together for "gut-
bomb" luncheon on the tailgate in their parking lot.
There are two kinds of people in the world.... those who like sliders
and admit to it, and those who do not admit to it.
73, Hans, K0HB
--
> >Frisbeetarianism: The belief that when you die,
> >your soul goes up the on roof and gets stuck.
> What roof would this be?
The Roof of the Universe. And in the Last Days,
when the Great Frisbee that shineth in the sky
hath gone out, then shalt the Almighty Thrower
ascend the Ladder of Life and collect the souls
of those who have flown free, and take them The
Eternal Park, where we shall sail upon the Spring
Breezes for ever and ever, and be Fetched by the
Holy Dog. Amen.
K0HB
Aaron Jones <nom...@nomail.com> wrote:
> Of course he could have avoided the gaff by simply listening to the
> repeater for a few weeks before using it to see how things are done.
> That's good practice whether on FM, RTTY, CW or a new newsgroup...
You can join N2EY over there in the "keep these newcomers off my ham-
bands" jury box.
73, de Hans, K0HB
--
Beware of the man who works hard to learn something,
learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before.
He is full of murderous resentment of people who
are ignorant without having come by their ignorance
the hard way.
Cecil
> The poor kid is sure to have a rough life, what with being too ignorant
> to grasp a new procedure in a new environment, then being put off so
> easily when gently corrected. What *is* this new generation ever going
> to amount to, anyway?
Absolutely nothing as long as your generation keeps bullying them.
Newness is something fragile that needs to be nurtured, not jumped
on with golf shoes.
--
http://www.mindspring.com/~w6rca
Jeff Goodspeed
young fella from continuing with the hobby?
Isn't it his generation that has grown up with the reality that politically
correct speech is more important than content or intent? Doesn't he have to
live in a world where accidentally speaking non-politically correct words
will bring down an immediate wrath.
Isn't it his generation that has grown up with the reality that wearing the
"wrong" color/brand of cloths or tilting the brim of you baseball cap the
"wrong" direction will get you shot to death by some gang-banger?
Hasn't every generation grown up knowing that using the right "lingo" around
your piers determines whether your accepted or shunned?
I'm going to assume that the youngster is acutely aware of his environment
and is more attuned to saying the "right" thing vs. the "wrong" thing than
any previous generation. I would guess that he would appreciate being
informed in a gentle way what lingo is "used" here.
The reality just may be that he finds CB more fun to play with than Ham
radio. Only he knows the real reason. No one else really has a clue, so lets
stop using it as irrefutable evidence of anything.
KA9S
K0HB
Gene <webm...@zylay.com> wrote:
> > > ARRL says Q signals aren't recommended on voice at all.
>
> Does this mean that we now have to ask other hams for
> "contact-confirmation postcards"?
Yeah, and when we talk about a construction article from their magazine
on the air, we gotta change modes to CW to send the name of the
magazine? Maybe we can't say "73" or "CQ" on phone anymore, cuz those
also originated in Morse-only days? I just love it when these purists
come down from Mount Newington with their engraved stone tablets!
73, Hans, K0HB
--
All great truths began as blasphemies.
K0...@uswest.net
>Why is everyone assuming that it was this "incident" that dissuaded the
>young fella from continuing with the hobby?
>
>Isn't it his generation that has grown up with the reality that politically
>correct speech is more important than content or intent? Doesn't he have to
>live in a world where accidentally speaking non-politically correct words
>will bring down an immediate wrath.
>
>Isn't it his generation that has grown up with the reality that wearing the
>"wrong" color/brand of cloths or tilting the brim of you baseball cap the
>"wrong" direction will get you shot to death by some gang-banger?
>
>Hasn't every generation grown up knowing that using the right "lingo" around
>your piers determines whether your accepted or shunned?
>
>I'm going to assume that the youngster is acutely aware of his environment
>and is more attuned to saying the "right" thing vs. the "wrong" thing than
>any previous generation. I would guess that he would appreciate being
>informed in a gentle way what lingo is "used" here.
>
>The reality just may be that he finds CB more fun to play with than Ham
>radio. Only he knows the real reason. No one else really has a clue, so lets
>stop using it as irrefutable evidence of anything.
>
>KA9S
What a delightfully convoluted fabric you have woven to justify the boorish
behaviour of Radio Cops everywhere! Betcha I hear on 14.195 yelling "UP UP
UP" too, don't I?
73, Hans, K0HB
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>Anyone having to live somewhere besides Chicago (and the environs) is
>comforted by the fact that they are available frozen in many other areas
>of the country.
I subjected my stomach to White Castle's fare in NY long before I
knew exactly where Chicago was.
Aaron Jones
>In article <e5nb6t4vr42j4ntip...@4ax.com>,
> Aaron Jones <nom...@nomail.com> wrote:
>
>> Of course he could have avoided the gaff by simply listening to the
>> repeater for a few weeks before using it to see how things are done.
>> That's good practice whether on FM, RTTY, CW or a new newsgroup...
>
>You can join N2EY over there in the "keep these newcomers off my ham-
>bands" jury box.
I was just pointing out how the gaff could have been easily been
avoided. The next time that you wear a bathing suit to church, will
you get mad at those who laugh at you??
Aaron Jones
I said "every hobby". Let me rephrase my sentence for ham radio:
Ham radio has it's preferred repeater lingo. If you use the wrong
lingo you immediately identify yourself as an outsider (to repeater
operation)...
If I said "W7xxx monitoring" on CW in order to get a contact, I think
I might be thought of as an outsider...or worse... :-)
Aaron Jones
>I didn't listen to the bands for a few weeks before using my Novice ticket. The
>day it showed up in the mailbox, I sent my first CQ and made a few contacts.
I was getting practice on the air before my Novice came... :-)
>The "gaff" could have been avoided if everyone had decided that it wasn't a big
>enough deal to be labeled a "gaff" in the first place.
A gaff is simply a social error. Using the wrong language in a
particular social setting is a gaff. Once it is done a gaff has
occurred, no matter what anyone labels it...
>How was he to know that he might face criticism if he didn't choose
>the correct words when he introduced himself to people?
In society most people are too polite to tell someone about his gaff.
They just think of him poorly behind his back. At least hams are
honest and straightforward... :-)
Aaron Jones
I mean that when a cop hears "10-20" he doesn't think "I must decode
10-20....decoded....it means location". In his mind he knows directly
what "10-20" means and "10-20" has become a word in his vocabulary.
It's the same with hams and common Q signals. When I hear "QTH" there
is no mind decoding, I hear and think of it as a word. And yes the
language *quality* of CW makes me think of code groups as words in my
vocabulary, no separate mind decoding step needed...
Aaron Jones
>I forget how many 10 codes there are/were on the "official list"
There is no "official list". Some codes seem universal (like "10-4")
but many are not, and they vary in meaning from list to list. The
Phoenix Police Department has even changed the meaning of some of it's
10 codes over the years...
W4JLE
no-code techs that have had a licenses for a year or so. I had one start on
me one morning when I used the term handle.
He proceeded to tell me how "handle" was a CB term and not used on the
repeater. Being the shrinking violet I am, I went on to explain I used
"handle" on 11 meters when it was a ham band along with a dissertation about
correcting people who may be new and somewhat hesitant such as your wife.
"Dwight Stewart" <stew...@sccoast.net> wrote in message
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Richard McCollum
"Phil Kane" <Phil...@nospam.spam> wrote in message
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Being something of a nite owl at the time, I got used to White Castles in
St. Louis which is as far west as they went. Last time I was down there,
out of nostalgia I stopped in on Hampton Av. Somehow they are not the
same without the wino sleeping in the corner.
Dick NØBK
Cecil
> It has been my experience that the biggest "radio Cops" turn out to be
> no-code techs that have had a licenses for a year or so. I had one start on
> me one morning when I used the term handle.
>
> He proceeded to tell me how "handle" was a CB term and not used on the
> repeater. Being the shrinking violet I am, I went on to explain I used
> "handle" on 11 meters when it was a ham band along with a dissertation about
> correcting people who may be new and somewhat hesitant such as your wife.
One time, at a hamfest in AZ, I said into my 2m simplex transceiver, "Hey
Harold, y'all got yore ears on?" One ham looked at me rather pathetically
and said, "We hams don't talk like that. How long have you been a ham?"
I replied, "45 years". :-)
--
http://www.mindspring.com/~w6rca
Cecil
> If I said "W7xxx monitoring" on CW in order to get a contact, I think
> I might be thought of as an outsider...or worse... :-)
Listeners would assume you were engaged in a QSO if you sent that
many letters. :-)
--
http://www.mindspring.com/~w6rca
K0HB
"Richard McCollum" <rmc...@radiks.net> wrote:
> Being something of a nite owl at the time, I got used to White
> Castles in St. Louis which is as far west as they went.
Nay, nay, nay! We have them and St. Louis is "out East" from here! :-)
73, Hans, KØHB
--
We are fellow travelers on a journey between two eternities,
and it's a trip far to short to worry about each others code speed.
Ed Hare, W1RFI
> Probably the same moral outrage that causes all you Yankees to get your
> panties in a wad when you see a Confederate flag and scream KKK!
I think that most of the screaming about the confederate flag has been
coming from south of the Mason-Dixon line. Most Yankees I know don't give
it any thought at all.
73,
Ed Hare, W1RFI
Ed Hare, W1RFI
> I'll never forget my worst incident with a "radio cop." <snip>
> In the end, the "radio cop" did a good job of defending "proper"
> tradition on the radio. But in doing so, he ruined my wife's enjoyment
> of this hobby (and, for all practical purposes, ended her hobby before
> it even got started). And that is why I'll never forget that "radio cop."
And the really sad part is that the guy probably believes that it was worth
the price.
73,
Ed Hare, W1RFI
Ed Hare, W1RFI
> I was just pointing out how the gaff could have been easily been
> avoided. The next time that you wear a bathing suit to church, will
> you get mad at those who laugh at you??
Some don't think that wearing a bathing suit to church is nearly as bad as
saying "first personal" instead of "name" on a repeater. :-) I know you
don't like me to ask questions, but I can't think of how to do so without a
question mark, so I will just come out with it -- what do you think?
73,
Ed Hare, W1RFI
Ed Hare, W1RFI
> In society most people are too polite to tell someone about his gaff.
> They just think of him poorly behind his back. At least hams are
> honest and straightforward... :-)
Whoever originated the phrase, "honesty is the best policy" clearly didn't
envision this scenario. :-)
In some parts of society, most people are too polite to tell someone about
their "gaff" at full quieting in front of a group of people the gaffer just
met.
Others advocate that they do.
73,
Ed Hare, W1RFI
W4JLE
"Ed Hare, W1RFI" <w1...@arrl.net> wrote in message
news:3MJ96.960$e5.24...@news.ntplx.net...
K0HB
"W4JLE" <Fr...@w4jle.com> wrote:
> Probably the same moral outrage that causes all you Yankees
> to get your panties in a wad when you see a Confederate flag ...
Hell, you can fly whatever you want on your statehouse -- we got enuf
to worry about with Jesse Ventura hangin' 'round our statehouse.
73, Hans, K0HB
--
"We are fellow travelers on a journey between two
eternities, and it's a trip far too brief for me
to be concerned about your speed at the Code of
Morse."
Brian
True story.
Just after the no-code Tech license was authorized, I heard a QSO in
progress on the 146.85 machine in St Louis. An OT with a brand new NCT
license/call was getting reamed by a 2x2 named Curtis. It appeared that
the Tech had identified himself sayng "Oh" where the "Zero" should have
been. The 2x2 was calling the new ham a stupid idiot.
The Tech explained that it was an "Oh" and not a zero because the
instructor in his Tech class said in ham radio the sero is ALWAYS
slashed. The sero on the license wasn't slashed.
Then a few other hams tried to intercede and change the subject, but NO.
Curt just wouldn't let it go. It really got ugly and I was embarassed
for ham radio and felt sorry that the new ham had to get that kind of
greeting.
Now Dick will come on here and say that the new Tech should already
know everything there is to know about ham radio and "should have known"
that it couldn't have been an "Oh." After all, he passed a test.
Jerry Oxendine
jumping him on the air. He'll soon realize that we don't generally use
certain terms. People generally try to fit into anything to which they
are new and usually will come around to "doing as the Romans do" on
their own.
Like you, I've had a couple of run-ins with "radio cops". I once used
the local auto-patch, pounded it down, and made the usual announcement-
"K4KWH clearing auto-patch after third party traffic with XXXX......."
R-cop proceeded to lecture me that I was to do that BEFORE bringing down
the patch. I didn't see the difference--still don't--just so I made the
required statement. I was nice to the old codger, but I was seething.
Some time went by--maybe several years--when one night I eased down to
the local Dairy Queen for a huge cone of ice cream. The local club was
having their usual Tuesday nite VHF net on the same repeater. All of a
sudden, a pickup changed lanes and ran a Chrysler off the road onto the
sidewalk. Poor guy (car) busted a tire, ruined a hubcap, bent a wheel,
and missed a light pole by inches. Pickup kept going. I broke the net
with my call, told the net control station I needed to call the police
because of a hit and run, and he immediately yielded the repeater. I
brought up the patch, started to dial 911 and somebody pounded it down
right out from under me stating, "THAT IS NOT EMERGENCY TRAFFIC"! Guess
who it was. The same old geezer that jumped me about the patch pre-
viously. It started something of an on-air debate/argument with this
old fart trying to lecture ALL of us on what is an emergency or not. I
didn't take kindly to this because the hit and run driver was long gone
during this 3-4 minute debate. I finally spoke up: "JUST NEVER YOU MIND
OLD MAN. THE HIT AND RUN TRUCK IS GONE AND I HOPE YOU'RE DURNED WELL
SATISFIED!"
I wasn't the only one that got mad at him. The club was ready to expell
him, but finally decided on a suspension. Trouble was, the old buzzard
wouldn't let it die. He started talking about me on and off air to
others, making most inappropriate suggestions about my qualifications as
a ham. Completely out of line and unjustified. I had never done any-
thing to him, nor had I actually met him in person. Of course, it got
back to me. Fed up with this guy's attitude and antics, I finagled a
personal introduction. Upon realizing who I was, he turned a little
red! I then proceeded to inform him that if he did not cease and de-
sist from his slander, that there would be legal action. If that didn't
work? I think I remember putting it to him this way: Mr. ----, I have
never met you before. I have never done anything to you. You have an
"alligator" mouth and a "canary" a** and your mouth is fixin' to write
a check yo' a** can't CASH! Do you understand me? You are not to speak
to me, call or correct me on the air, nor have any contact with me
whatsoever!" That old man turned pale as a ghost, dropped his head and
said, "yes, sir", like a scolded little boy. I haven't heard a peep
from him in 5 years.
JR
kinds. Must really suck to be someone like this guy.
Aaron Jones
>Aaron Jones <nom...@nomail.com> wrote:
>
>> In society most people are too polite to tell someone about his gaff.
>> They just think of him poorly behind his back. At least hams are
>> honest and straightforward... :-)
>
>Whoever originated the phrase, "honesty is the best policy" clearly didn't
>envision this scenario. :-)
I suppose it's not much different than someone who is too polite to
tell his CW contact that he has a bad fist and lies that he is being
called to dinner to end the QSO early... :-)
Aaron Jones
>think of how to do so without a question mark,
>so I will just come out with it -- what do you think?
I think that you have that backwards. You don't like *me* to ask
questions. In a recent post you refused to answer my simple question:
"Do you think that a test that allows people to pass without knowing
the material is a good test?" because you said you didn't like my
*debating style*... :-)
Here are 2 more questions you recently ignored. if you're going to ask
questions, don't you think you should start answering some... :-)
(1) Do you think it was morally correct for Bash to circumvent the FCC
tests by publishing the exact questions and answers, thus allowing
hams to pass the test by cheating?
(2) Do you believe it would be OK for me to lawfully but clandestinely
obtain a copy of an ARRL employment exam, say from an employee who
owes me a favor, and print and sell it to those seeking employment at
ARRL?
Dick Carroll
Ed there are many degrees of yankeeness, begining at The Line and
progresssing as you go further north. I'm a Yankee by about 35 miles. A
Connecticut Yankee is about as Yankee as it gets.
Dick Carroll
Brian Kelly wrote:
>
> Aaron Jones wrote:
>
> > "Phil Kane" <Phil...@nospam.spam> wrote:
> > > "10-20" has a honorable history in public-safety voice comms
> > > but the "mutilation" is to drop the "10" and just refer to your
> > > "twenty".
> >
> > Even cops often shorten the 10 codes to just the last number. It makes
> > sense if it takes less air time and the meaning is understood by all.
> > 10 codes, although codes, actually become words in the users minds,
> > and like words often evolve with use...
>
> >
> Ya mean like cw exchanges are a languge?
'zactly.
Dick Carroll
W1RFI wrote:
>
> Frankly, Dick, I would much rather see new hams with sensitivities than those
> who are cold and insensitive to the feelings of others.
So there are no third categories?
You Political Correct mavens insist that your choices are all there is.
What would be the matter with some newcomers with an attitude of "I'm
gonna get this and do it well, make my mistakes and get it right and to
heck with the minor irritations, whatever they may be. Maybe I can learn
something about it all from them, if I don't let the chip blow off my
shoulder".
It must be in the water. NO one today seems to have anything but a
fragile, easily destroyed ego. If I had been like that I'd have never
made it into the teenage years, much less far beyond.
Dick Carroll
Cecil wrote:
>
> Dick Carroll wrote:
> > The poor kid is sure to have a rough life, what with being too ignorant
> > to grasp a new procedure in a new environment, then being put off so
> > easily when gently corrected. What *is* this new generation ever going
> > to amount to, anyway?
>
> Absolutely nothing as long as your generation keeps bullying them.
> Newness is something fragile that needs to be nurtured, not jumped
> on with golf shoes.
Bend over, Cecil....I've got my golf shoes on......
Dick Carroll
It still raises my hackles a notch to hear on the ham bands clone
conversation from CB where not much but the frequencies and (maybe)
callsigns are changed. It always seemed to me that people who adopt a
new environment might be interested in adopting its conventions also,
given a little time.
But so far I haven't called anyone down for doing it. Don't plan to
either. FCC has given the ham bands to the CBers, fair and square.
Dick Carroll
Don't you ever get tired of being wrong, Gnat? As it happens I did have
a contact with a new ham where the very same thing came up, the zero
without the slash on it in his callsign. I mentioned to him that it
actually was a zero but the FCC's computers stopped putting the slash in
the zero years ago. Evidently the FCC doesn't know the difference,
either.
Dick Carroll
Aaron Jones wrote:
>
> w1...@aol.com (W1RFI) wrote:
>
> >>From: Aaron Jones nom...@nomail.com
> >
> >>Every hobby has it's preferred lingo. If you use the wrong lingo you
> >>immediately identify yourself as an outsider...
> >
> >You do mean "former" outsider, do you not? This fellow did get a ham license,
> >so he is now one of us.
>
> I said "every hobby". Let me rephrase my sentence for ham radio:
>
> Ham radio has it's preferred repeater lingo. If you use the wrong
> lingo you immediately identify yourself as an outsider (to repeater
> operation)...
>
> If I said "W7xxx monitoring" on CW in order to get a contact, I think
> I might be thought of as an outsider...or worse... :-)
I once knew an OT who had been off the air so long that he was new to
repeaters, and when he finally got a two meter rig he called CQ on the
repeater just as he would have on HF.
It isn't always the newcomers who miscue.
Brian
w1...@aol.com (W1RFI) wrote:
> >From: Dick Carroll di...@townsqr.com
>
> > The poor kid is sure to have a rough life, what with being too
ignorant
> >to grasp a new procedure in a new environment, then being put off so
> >easily when gently corrected. What *is* this new generation ever
going
> >to amount to, anyway?
>
corrected" him.
I don't think Dick knows what a gentle correction is, just boot camp
mentality. Probably had the kid doing push ups or digging the base hole
for a free standing tower with a spoon.
Richard McCollum
"Brian" <brian...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:947s0e$271$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
>
> True story.
>
> Just after the no-code Tech license was authorized, I heard a QSO in
> progress on the 146.85 machine in St Louis. An OT with a brand new NCT
> license/call was getting reamed by a 2x2 named Curtis. It appeared that
> the Tech had identified himself sayng "Oh" where the "Zero" should have
> been. The 2x2 was calling the new ham a stupid idiot.
>
> The Tech explained that it was an "Oh" and not a zero because the
> instructor in his Tech class said in ham radio the sero is ALWAYS
> slashed. The sero on the license wasn't slashed.
>
> Then a few other hams tried to intercede and change the subject, but NO.
> Curt just wouldn't let it go. It really got ugly and I was embarassed
> for ham radio and felt sorry that the new ham had to get that kind of
> greeting.
>
> Now Dick will come on here and say that the new Tech should already
> know everything there is to know about ham radio and "should have known"
> that it couldn't have been an "Oh." After all, he passed a test.
Sorry to see my old machine -- I built ABE 4 -- sink to this level. That
sort of BS is why we put it on in the first place. 'Youse vill march in
schtrait lines und youse vill like it' was certainly the motto of some of
the local machines; our's was 'if it don't get you in trouble with Sam, we
don't care'. Curtis would have been eating his meals off the stove after
some of us got done with him.
When a few docs and the Federal Venereal Disease Control Officer got
clinical on the air, you could hear the strak jaws tighten for miles.
Dick NØBK
Phil Kane
>Being something of a nite owl at the time, I got used to White Castles in
>St. Louis which is as far west as they went. Last time I was down there,
>out of nostalgia I stopped in on Hampton Av. Somehow they are not the
>same without the wino sleeping in the corner.
But is the grease - the causation of the term "slider" - the
same?
Phil Kane
>There is no "official list". Some codes seem universal (like "10-4")
Actually there is an "official" APCO list but its use is
voluntary. Just like most anything else in this life.
Len Over 21
<Phil...@nospam.spam> writes:
>>Roger that.
>
> ...good buddy and I'm gone.....
"Roger that" is current military parlance...off the radio.
Has the same meaning (sometimes) as "absolutely."
didit
W4JLE
espouse all that sensitivity crap if you wanted to get a little trim.
"Dick Carroll" <di...@townsqr.com> wrote in message
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Brian
Is your name Curt? Did you have a 2x2 call? You're probably just
remembering my last retelling of the story a couple of years back.
> I mentioned to him that it
> actually was a zero but the FCC's computers stopped putting the slash
> in the zero years ago.
Then your St Louis buds should stop telling these old ham tales.
> Evidently the FCC doesn't know the difference, either.
What brings you to that conclusion?
Brian Kelly
Aaron Jones wrote:
> I mean that when a cop hears "10-20" he doesn't think "I must decode
> 10-20....decoded....it means location". In his mind he knows directly
> what "10-20" means and "10-20" has become a word in his vocabulary.
> It's the same with hams and common Q signals. When I hear "QTH" there
> is no mind decoding, I hear and think of it as a word. And yes the
> language *quality* of CW makes me think of code groups as words in my
> vocabulary, no separate mind decoding step needed.
>
What immediately comes to mind when you hear 10-18 or QSX?
>
w3rv.
Cecil
> Bend over, ... ....I've got my golf shoes on......
This is Dick's welcome to newcomers into amateur radio.
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Dwight Stewart
>
> It has been my experience that the biggest
> "radio Cops" turn out to be no-code techs
> that have had a licenses for a year or so.
I have no idea what license class was involved - its hard to tell
these days with vanity calls.
> I had one start on me one morning when I
> used the term handle. He proceeded to tell
> me how "handle" was a CB term and not used
> on the repeater. Being the shrinking violet
> I am, I went on to explain I used "handle"
> on 11 meters when it was a ham band along
> with a dissertation about correcting people
> who may be new and somewhat hesitant such
> as your wife.
I wish my wife was only "somewhat hesitant" to talk on the radio. It
took me some time to convince her to get the license in the first place.
She doesn't even like talking on the telephone. Of course, in person,
once she gets to know you, she'll talk your head off. And I can't get
her to shut up (especially while my favorite tv shows are on).
Dwight Stewart (W5NET)
Dwight Stewart
>
> Dwight Stewart wrote in:
>
> > I'll never forget my worst incident with
> > a "radio cop." <snip>
>
> > In the end, the "radio cop" did a good job
> > of defending "proper" tradition on the radio.
> > But in doing so, he ruined my wife's enjoyment
> > of this hobby (and, for all practical purposes,
> > ended her hobby before it even got started).
> > And that is why I'll never forget that "radio cop."
>
> And the really sad part is that the guy probably
> believes that it was worth the price.
You're probably right, Ed. I'm still working to get my wife excited
about radio again. And I've become the biggest advocate for new hams in
my area. I like to be known as the ham anybody, including the newbee,
can contact.
In fact, because of my friendly attitudes towards newbees, just about
everyone in the area who is bringing a new person onto the radio for the
first time almost always insures that I'm the first person they make
contact with.
I've met a lot of interesting people that way. In fact, over a period
of time, the numbers really add up and I'm never lacking of someone to
talk to on the radio. Most of the time, I end up with too many people
to talk to when I sign on (they know my normal on-air times, and are
usually waiting).
Len Over 21
<rmc...@radiks.net> writes:
>> 73 de Phil Kane - K2ASP
>
>Being something of a nite owl at the time, I got used to White Castles in
>St. Louis which is as far west as they went. Last time I was down there,
>out of nostalgia I stopped in on Hampton Av. Somehow they are not the
>same without the wino sleeping in the corner.
White Castle hamburgers, lil bitty things, are available in
ten-packs at Ralphs Supermarkets here in Los Angeles.
Small and over-priced, haven't bothered with them.
Los Angeles is considerably farther west than St. Louis.
Have you tried Ripple?
didit
Aaron Jones
> I once knew an OT who had been off the air so long that he was new to
>repeaters, and when he finally got a two meter rig he called CQ on the
>repeater just as he would have on HF.
> It isn't always the newcomers who miscue.
Yep. Seniority makes little difference in making a gaff. And neither
"CQ" or "W7xxx monitoring" say in plain english what it is we really
want, namely a contact. Hobby jargon and knowing it's proper use is
important, and if you try to operate without knowing it, then let's
hope that you're not too sensitive of a person...
(Human nature being what it is.) :-)
Aaron Jones
> Actually there is an "official" APCO list
The first published 10-code was in an APCO bulletin in January of
1940, however they don't claim to have invented the code. They tried
to standardize it in 1973, but it never caught on and there are
hundreds of versions currently being used. Yes they call it "official"
but nobody seems to notice... (Like ARRL phonetics?)
Aaron Jones
That I need to go look them up... :-) Your point?
Brian Kelly
Aaron Jones wrote:
> >>
> >What immediately comes to mind when you hear 10-18 or QSX?
>
> That I need to go look them up... :-) Your point?
>
My point is that there are very few of these codes are in general use,
having to look them up defeats the whole intended purpose of the things.
>
w3rv
Cecil
> Seniority makes little difference in making a gaff. And neither
> "CQ" or "W7xxx monitoring" say in plain english what it is we really
> want, namely a contact.
Yeah, "Anybody got yur ears on?" says it all. :-)
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Aaron Jones
>My point is that there are very few of these codes are in general use,
>having to look them up defeats the whole intended purpose of the things.
I don't completely disagree with that. In fact many public service
agencies have gone to plain English for just that reason. I think that
the intended purpose of the 10-codes and the Q codes is to save radio
time. To be effective they must be learned, that's true. But once
learned, they do serve the intended purpose...
K0HB
Brian Kelly <ke...@dvol.com> wrote:
> What immediately comes to mind when you hear 10-18 or QSX?
If I hear "10-18" it immediately comes to mind that my VFO is
probably *way* out of the 17-meter band.
If I hear "QSX" it immediately comes to mind that I'd better split my
VFO's if I wanna work this guy.
Sebenty Tree, de Hans, K0HB
--
"We are fellow travelers on a journey between two
eternities, and it's a trip far too brief for me
to be concerned about your speed at the Code of
Morse."
Phil Kane
>When a few docs and the Federal Venereal Disease Control Officer got
>clinical on the air, you could hear the strak jaws tighten for miles.
But how many of the latter understood the clinical medical
terms wh\ich probably were being used?
--
Ed Hare, W1RFI
> I think that you have that backwards. You don't like *me* to ask
> questions. In a recent post you refused to answer my simple question:
> "Do you think that a test that allows people to pass without knowing
> the material is a good test?" because you said you didn't like my
> *debating style*... :-)
Aaron, I answered that question with volumes, and continued until I realized
that you really would only accept a "yes" or "no" answer for a subject that
I believe could foster a very diverse discussion. It was at that point I
concluded you were just yanking my chain and I chose to end a discussion I
didn't believe you were taking seriously.
From your recent post bragging about yanking my chain, I don't think I was
very far off the mark.
73,
Ed Hare, W1RFI
Ed Hare, W1RFI
> Ed there are many degrees of yankeeness, begining at The Line and
> progresssing as you go further north. I'm a Yankee by about 35 miles. A
> Connecticut Yankee is about as Yankee as it gets.
Then I am safe. I am a citizen of the state of West Virginia.
73,
Ed Hare, W1RFI