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Scott Martin

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Dec 23, 2000, 1:35:21 PM12/23/00
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I was hoping someone could help me clarify this. Not to long ago someone
posted the following as a description of the so-called "god-particle". I
have since came into the knowledge that the god particle is actually just
the Higgs boson, so my question is, does anyone know what particle the
following descriptions are talking about? I really hope this gets posted,
since this is kind of important:

"...a magnetic monopole that is theorized to contain all the knowledge and
physical law in the universe, basicaly the core center of the
multidimensional universe. in theory a god particle."

"My theory is this, that the basic particle is an alpha subatomic one, with
1/2 spin to one unit of space. The complementary particle, is a beta
particle, also with 1/2 spin, and both to the right. When joined, they
become a unified particle of one space unit, to one joined sub physical
particle in neutrality. Their sum mass equals 0 while in neutrality, because
of their equilibrium. Also, because they are in constent motion, they form
an electromagnetic gravitational field around themselves, a halo or
membrane, which in turn is both attractive and repulsive to other subatomic
particles."

John Baez

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Dec 23, 2000, 7:33:53 PM12/23/00
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In article <Jf616.22558$55.42...@news1.rdc1.ne.home.com>,
Scott Martin <email...@home.com> wrote:

>I was hoping someone could help me clarify this. Not to long ago someone
>posted the following as a description of the so-called "god-particle". I
>have since came into the knowledge that the god particle is actually just

>the Higgs boson, [...]

The ridiculous term "God particle" was introduced in this book:

The God particle: if the universe is the answer, what is the question?
by Leon Lederman with Dick Teresi. Boston, Houghton Mifflin, 1993.

At the time, American physicists were struggling to persuade Congress
to continue funding the construction of the Superconducting Supercollider,
a particle accelerator that had run way over budget. Since one of the
scientific goals of this project was to find the Higgs boson, the
physicist Leon Lederman decided to write a book calling this particle
the "God particle", hoping to infuse Congress with sufficient religious
zeal to keep forking over the necessary cash.

Alas, profane political considerations have a way of triumphing over even
the holiest of goals. Congress not only stopped funding the project,
but decreed that all the extensive tunnels that had already been dug
be filled in with dirt, so that the project could never be revived.

Too bad: it could have made an excellent mushroom farm! Now we are
left with nothing but the silly term "God particle", which still
refuses to die.

>so my question is, does anyone know what particle the
>following descriptions are talking about? I really hope this gets posted,
>since this is kind of important:
>
>"...a magnetic monopole that is theorized to contain all the knowledge and
>physical law in the universe, basicaly the core center of the
>multidimensional universe. in theory a god particle."
>
>"My theory is this, that the basic particle is an alpha subatomic one, with
>1/2 spin to one unit of space. The complementary particle, is a beta
>particle, also with 1/2 spin, and both to the right. When joined, they
>become a unified particle of one space unit, to one joined sub physical
>particle in neutrality. Their sum mass equals 0 while in neutrality, because
>of their equilibrium. Also, because they are in constent motion, they form
>an electromagnetic gravitational field around themselves, a halo or
>membrane, which in turn is both attractive and repulsive to other subatomic
>particles."

This is pure, unadulaterated drivel. One doesn't need to be an
expert to see it, either. How could a particle "contain all the
knowledge and physical law in the universe"? What is it, a brain?
A library? It's just nonsense.

The fact that magnetic poles have not been found, and that the Higgs
boson is not a magnetic monopole - it takes some expertise to
know this stuff. But surely the idea that a particle is "the core
center of the multidimensional universe" should raise your eyebrows!
The universe has no "core center" that we know of. We also don't know
if it's multidimensional or not - unless "multidimensional" refers to
the usual 3 dimensions of space and 1 of time, in which case why bother
with the fancy talk?

The next fragment - "in theory a god particle" - shows what we've really
got here: a vague quasireligious vision masquerading as physics.

I won't bother analyzing the rest of the text, except to say that none
of it has anything to do with known or even plausibly conjectured
physics. It's just baloney. It's not even very creative baloney -
just your run-of-the-mill crackpot blather. You can easily find a
lot of this stuff on sci.physics. Forget about it and cleanse your mind.


Dirk Bruere

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Jan 4, 2001, 6:13:42 PM1/4/01
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"John Baez" <ba...@galaxy.ucr.edu> wrote in message
news:923g9h$jbi$1...@mortar.ucr.edu...

> >
> >"...a magnetic monopole that is theorized to contain all the knowledge
and
> >physical law in the universe, basicaly the core center of the
> >multidimensional universe. in theory a god particle."
....

> This is pure, unadulaterated drivel. One doesn't need to be an
> expert to see it, either. How could a particle "contain all the
> knowledge and physical law in the universe"? What is it, a brain?
> A library? It's just nonsense.

What about the work of Grover/Bucksbaum which suggests infinite information
storage capacity? Or have I missed something there?

Dirk

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