The challenge: Put a Web browser, a web server, a POSIX-certified
realtime OS, TCP/IP and a windowing system on a single 1.44 Mbyte
floppy disk.
Impossible?
QNX Software Systems Ltd. announces the QNX Demo Disk (downloadable
from http://www.qnx.com/iat/). This single 1.44 Mbyte floppy disk
contains:
1. Voyager Web Browser (Full HTML 3.2, frames, tables, etc.)
2. Voyager Embedded Web Server
3. The QNX Realtime Operating System
4. TCP/IP (with PPP including CHAP/PAP support)
5. Photon microGUI Windowing System
6. A "remote control" device to simulate a TV set top box
7. An Internet Phone Dialer
8. A Graphical File Browser
9. A Graphical Text Editor
10. A Vector Graphics Animation
11. Over 180 Kbytes of HTML and image content
With this floppy disk and a desktop PC, you can browse the web or
turn that PC into a web server accessible to other computers on the
Internet.
To download a copy, visit the http://www.qnx.com/iat/ website. To
run the demodisk, you'll need a PC with a 386 or better, 6 Mbytes
of RAM minimum, a mouse, VGA or better video and, optionally, a
modem.
A floppy drive is required, but the hard drive is not. :-)
>Subject: The 1.44M Web Challenge
>[SNIP]
Now all we need is for someone to hack it so that it is accessible
from a full QNX installation for those of us who are forced to use
character mode shells because our bosses wouldn't buy Photon for us!
("Hmph - the Unix shell was good enough for my Grandad, so it's good
enough for you!").
Not that I would condone hacking, or even think about the merest
possibility that the suggestion of such a thought would begin to
contemplate crossing my mind.....
Seriously though. It puts the 30+ disks of Windows 95 into
perspective! Well done!
-----------------------------------------
John Skilleter - skil...@zetnet.co.uk & elsewhere
'DOS is best spelt backwards!'
Why not visit:
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/2517
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5417
http://www.ilkley.pages.theplanet.co.uk/ilkley
Hah! Actually, a single copy of the Photon runtime is quite inexpensive.
>Seriously though. It puts the 30+ disks of Windows 95 into
>perspective! Well done!
Exactly.
--
Dan Hildebrand (da...@qnx.com) QNX Software Systems, Ltd.
http://www.qnx.com/~danh 175 Terence Matthews
phone: +1 (613) 591-0931 Kanata, Ontario, Canada
fax: +1 (613) 591-3579 K2M 1W8
The web server on the demodisk is not overly complex (no cgi-bin scripts,
for example). Most QNX sites run either Apache (for high-end
functionality) or one of the smaller web servers available from
ftp.qnx.com. The next version of the demodisk will do more in this regard.
Hmm, but demodisk contains everything required to see it, including Photon,
isn't it?
If you need to see its contents from another machine, there is a web
server. Unfortunately, that SockPPP does not support Ethernet, so you must
use null modem :-)
Alternatively, you can use any browser to steal contents from that web
server and store it in more convinient place. Then use Lynx from that nice
Unix shell :-)
>
> Seriously though. It puts the 30+ disks of Windows 95 into
> perspective! Well done!
>
Done well, but it does not compete with 30+ disks of Win95. There were a
bit more contents :-)
However, the same contents would be unlikely possible to fit into a single
floppy using Win95.
Regards,
Igor N Kovalenko
Great Job!!!!
Moses
What kind of mouse is it?
>I can still get it to work with my
>keyboard. The 2nd system is a Sony with Intel DSVD modem and the OS
>can't find the modem.
What kind of modem is it? Which port and irq is it configured for?
>The 3rd system is a Compaq Presario (Pice of shit)
>SOB can't even boot up. It load till 99% and stop! I think if you are
>trying to run anything other than windows95 on the Compaq U are out of
>LUCK. But I am very impress with what QNX has done. May be you can help
>me
>
>Great Job!!!!
Thanks!
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Purveyor of custom QNX software solutions
>> I think people at QNX done a good job on this challenge.(I think
>>MS_Bill has something to worry about) I try it on 3 diffrient computers
>>and I have a litter problem with all 3 of them. 1st problem is the setup
>>didn't find my mouse on Com1.
>What kind of mouse is it?
i have the same problem here: the demo disk does not detect my
logitech mouse on COM1. otherwise the disk is _very_ impressive!
-markus
Which model of Logitech mouse? We'd like to duplicate the problem.
In article <5n1t6s$b...@qnx.com>, demo...@qnx.com says...
>
>Subject: The 1.44M Web Challenge
>
>The challenge: Put a Web browser, a web server, a POSIX-certified
>realtime OS, TCP/IP and a windowing system on a single 1.44 Mbyte
>floppy disk.
... a really great job was done ! This is very impressive demonstration
for all interested in embedded WEB technology ... but the customer base
of QNX is different as QNX is scalable :-)
Regarding to some feedbacks from our control system customers ... is
it possible to realize in the same way a demo disk which shows
a little bit more about PHOTON and some core features about the
performance and internal structure of QNX ?
The e.g. 'old' task switching demo on the previous demo was very
impressive and would be very impressive again ... just a small
PHOTON application :-))
>
>Impossible?
>
I hope not ... just another challenge ;-) ?
Armin Steinhoff
http://www.steinhoff.de
Same problem here on a DEC GL5120st. 120MHz Pentium, 48MB RAM, Phoenix
BIOS, Matrox Millennium PCI graphics.
Unzips and creates the demo disk with no problems, then when booting from
the demo disk runs with :-
486 kbd 99%
then performs a re-boot.
Any ideas?
David Robb
Comet Scientific Software Ltd.
web http://www.cix.co.uk/~comet/
email co...@cix.co.uk
Tel +44 1425 477912
I haven't gotten it to work at all. It stays at loading 00% and does squat. Is
there anyone else that's had troubles?
I have problems with a Logitech Series 9. I also had problems with it
under VSTa, until I changed the mouse server to drop DTR and RTS(?) for
400ms and send "*n" to it. Works fine under XFree86 in Linux and Win95.
I've also found the demo doesn't recognise my #9 GXE64 as having any
other video mode than 640x400x16.
J
Thanks!
>but the customer base of QNX is different as QNX is scalable :-)
Very true.
>Regarding to some feedbacks from our control system customers ... is
>it possible to realize in the same way a demo disk which shows
>a little bit more about PHOTON and some core features about the
>performance and internal structure of QNX ?
Certainly - future versions of the demodisk will do more. Please send any
suggestions you may have to demo...@qnx.com -- we're already working on
the next version.
>The e.g. 'old' task switching demo on the previous demo was very
>impressive and would be very impressive again ... just a small
>PHOTON application :-))
Already done. If you go to http://127.1/embedded.html on the current
demodisk, you'll see your context switch time. :-)
>>Impossible?
>>
>I hope not ... just another challenge ;-) ?
Always another challenge. :-)
What type of machine do you have?
I tried the demodisk on my ol' Compaq Laptop, and it startet up nicely
(only in 16 Greyshades instead of 256 Color, but hey it worked)
I didnt get it to work with my null-modem cable to an other PC,
probably because it insisted to talk to a modem - but when i plugged
my laptop directly to a modem, I had more sucess :) But I really think
it's missin a "telnet" application :)
CU,
Sec
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Fuer den Rest der Welt ist es ein Schmetterling
Error 0: No error
A number of people have made this suggestion. :-) We're already working
on the next version of the demodisk. Any additional suggestions are very
welcome.
Second problem. After I've relented and pretended I'm in North America
it says
Decompressing data [.........../bin2/uz: : data error
uz of /image.z failed (Permission denied)
and this is on a machine that's got QNX on it already.
What is going wrong?
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>So we get tech support for this demo? Good!
But of course! :-)
>First problem, it asks me to select a keyboard and I'm sitting
>here in good old England and there's no choice for me.
My internal beta for the next release already has UK keyboard support.
You'll see an announcement for this when it's released. We have a number
of other goodies also going onto the next revision.
>Second problem. After I've relented and pretended I'm in North America
>it says
>Decompressing data [.........../bin2/uz: : data error
>uz of /image.z failed (Permission denied)
So far, every example of this problem (with the exception of the posting in
this newsgroup here) has been fixed by writing the image to a different
floppy disk. Please let me know if this doesn't fix it for you as well.
>and this is on a machine that's got QNX on it already.
>What is going wrong?
Floppy I/O problems.
My Logitech mouse (on COM1), model no. C7-3F-9F was not recognized.
Also, can an Ethernet driver be added? : )
Regards,
Richard
We ds-supported the C7 because it hasn't been made in a long time (I have
one in a box here somewhere, having switched to a Logitech MouseMan,
myself). From customer and demodisk feedback, it seems like this may have
been premature. :-)
>Also, can an Ethernet driver be added? : )
That's tough - drivers for which cards, and what do we leave off the
demodisk to make space?
My Logitech TrarckMan Marble on com1 wasnt recognised, btw ot works fine in Linux.
Vlad.
I'd say for the NE2000-compatibles, they are the most common ones
(even though i have a 3com 3C5X9 and would most certainly love to see
that in, too - but i know that there is few space on that disk :)
Hmm, can't you format the disk as 1.72 MB disk ? As far as i know, all
drives should be able to read this format. Anyway, if you support Modem &
Ethernet, you could put fewer webpages on that system, as they're also
accessible through the internet ?
CU,
Sec
(just dreaming :)
I wonder how many people would complain about their NIC not being
supported...
>Hmm, can't you format the disk as 1.72 MB disk ? As far as i know, all
>drives should be able to read this format.
Perhaps, but that would be cheating. :-)
>Anyway, if you support Modem &
>Ethernet, you could put fewer webpages on that system, as they're also
>accessible through the internet ?
While those web pages are accessible on the net, having content on the
floppy is worthwhile for those recipients of the disk unable to connect
to the Internet (perhaps because they have the wrong NIC :-).
Dan Hildebrand wrote in article <5o9i23$7...@qnx.com>...
>In article <5nplnr$4...@drn.zippo.com>,
>Armin Steinhoff <Ar...@Steinhoff.de> wrote:
>>
>>In article <5n1t6s$b...@qnx.com>, demo...@qnx.com says...
>>>
>>>Subject: The 1.44M Web Challenge
>> ... a really great job was done ! This is very impressive demonstration
>>for all interested in embedded WEB technology ...
>
>Thanks!
After downloading and playing with the demo, I just had to write and say
that
I was very impressed with the QNX demo! Great job and congratulations to
the
team that created it...
>>Regarding to some feedbacks from our control system customers ... is
>>it possible to realize in the same way a demo disk which shows
>>a little bit more about PHOTON and some core features about the
>>performance and internal structure of QNX ?
>
>Certainly - future versions of the demodisk will do more. Please send
any
>suggestions you may have to demo...@qnx.com -- we're already working on
>the next version.
Any idea when it will be released?
Also, is there any way you could include something like Telnet with the
demo?
And access to the command line?
Perhaps another interesting toy would be something more to benchmark the
system,
if it's possible to fit all this on the next floppy demo :-)
Again, congratulations on an excellent job at QNX
-Bart
Paul
Haven't decided yet - we may do two disks, one with Ethernet support, the
other with modem support.
Wow, that sounds great - 'cause nobody needs both modem and ethernet support
CU,
*looking forward*
Sec
Everything worked great with my demodisk, except for the modem l;) It
wouldn't recognize it; It's a PnP SupraExpress 33.6i, does it have to be
jumped configured?
GREAT job on the demodisk.
While the demodisk does support PnP modems, there appears to be some
problem with detecting yours. Could you try explicitly jumpering the modem
to a known good port and irq setting?
>GREAT job on the demodisk.
Thanks -- a lot of people worked hard to pull it off.
In article <slrn5qvrb...@matrix.42.org>, Stefan `Sec` Zehl wrote:
> In article <5ooi0r$7...@qnx.com>, Dan Hildebrand wrote:
> > Haven't decided yet - we may do two disks, one with Ethernet support, the
> > other with modem support.
>
> Wow, that sounds great - 'cause nobody needs both modem and ethernet support
Uh, maybe someone will set up a dialup modem router with the QNX-demo %-)
Seems to be a great idea to split this into two disks IMHO, as far as I 'll
get 3c509 support and a telnet-client :)
Anyway, I love the current disk as well...great job done.
bye
oLLi
P.S.: The Spyglass Mosaic seems to be a real good browser,
unfortunately it isn't available for 'normale' Unixes :-/
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>> Von allen sexuellen Perversionen ist Keuschheit die extremste <<
>
> Dan Hildebrand wrote in article <5o9i23$7...@qnx.com>...
>>In article <5nplnr$4...@drn.zippo.com>,
>>Armin Steinhoff <Ar...@Steinhoff.de> wrote:
>>>
>>>In article <5n1t6s$b...@qnx.com>, demo...@qnx.com says...
>>>>
>>>>Subject: The 1.44M Web Challenge
>>> ... a really great job was done ! This is very impressive demonstration
>>>for all interested in embedded WEB technology ...
>>
>>Thanks!
>
>After downloading and playing with the demo, I just had to write and say
>that
>I was very impressed with the QNX demo! Great job and congratulations to
>the
>team that created it...
From what I hear it's pretty good. However, I can't get the disk to do
anything but print "QNX" in uppercase after booting. After that, it is
like a stunned mullet.
I have tried both the qnxdemo.tar (makedemo) and qnxdemo.zip
(install.bat) methods. The machine I am trying it on runs both QNX
4.23A and NT4.0
What might I be doing wrong? Could it be because there is no modem on
this machine? (I just wanted to see it boot up - obviously it was not
going to connect to the internet! :))
Geoff.
We've seen a BIOS incompatibility with the demodisk boot loader code (that
the regular QNX install disk doesn't share). We're working on a new
version that will correct this problem. Can you try it on a different
machine for now?