We've GOT to do somethin' for Peace Dept.
cherepov
> The idea is for every concerned citizen to hold their bowels till it hurts
> for Peace. When everyone is walking around with cramps and a sour look on
> their faces THEN maybe we'll DO something like tell the Russians we really,
> really, really want Peace and the Pentagon to stop making' those naughty
> naughty bombs
I am not even laughing: the reality is so idiotic it outdoes any
wildness of Ken Arndt's ironic visions!
After recent ribbon-laying around Pentagon no absurdity is too much...
Of course I make all the well-intentioned noises and disclaimers here.
Mike Cherepov
Kim
Of course the reality is idiotic, but the reality is certainly not
humorous. This article, I thought was humorous. Not only that, but
it was well-written and fun to read. But to keep our sanity about
this sometimes we have to laugh about it. Perhaps you do not think
it helps to laugh about these terrible things from time to time. I
think that it is invaluable, as long as one realizes the seriousness
of the problem. Sometimes humorous comments about these things are
entirely out of place. I am thinking about Reagan's comment before
his radio show when he said something like "We're going to start
bombing in 5 minutes". Now, this comment worries me. For one
reason, he has the power to do such a thing and for another
he intended it to be funny. This comment has probably been brought
up before, but I think it important enough to be brought up again.
It could easily be interpreted that what I have said above is
contradictory. I think being in the position of the presidency makes
all the difference. Comments?
Kim Tracy
** These comments are my own and Bell Labs is not likely to claim
them.***
"Who can say, whence will come the day?" kt
Byron Howes
find equally valuable. What! You say the soviets don't have anything
that worthless? Ah well...
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Christopher F. Harrison
>> I'm starting an anti-movement movement called, "Don't give a shit for Peace!"
> > The idea is for every concerned citizen to hold their bowels till it hurts
> > for Peace. When everyone is walking around with cramps and a sour look on
> > their faces THEN maybe we'll DO something like tell the Russians we really,
> > really, really want Peace and the Pentagon to stop making' those naughty
> > naughty bombs
>
GREEAATT!!! I thought this article was just another example of Rectumhead's
unique ability to emit flatus in ascii.(Calling Ken an ass would only in-
sult many respectable donkeys worldwide.)
As far far as the effectiveness of Ken's anti-movement movement, he is
living proof that the plan wouldn't work. After tolerating more than a year's
worth of this fellow's net.flame articles, I can only deduce that he's
pretty backed up himself. I realize that he probably emits some rosy things
in other areas, but it gets a bit tedious when he keeps using this group for
his outhouse.
>Not only that, but it was well-written and fun to read. But to keep our
>sanity about this sometimes we have to laugh about it. Perhaps you do not
>think it helps to laugh about these terrible things from time to time. I
>think that it is invaluable, as long as one realizes the seriousness
>of the problem.
After reading this passage, the mental image I saw went something like
this:
One of Monty Python's Gumbies is in a phone booth and can't find his
way out. Looking up, he see's the ever-present 16 ton weight falling from
above. Of course, seeing this makes him laugh until he is crushed to death.
If you want to laugh in the face of the firestorm, fine. I just think
that entire governments doing the same, thinking that holocaust will never
happen, is insane. As long as militant jerks continue to have more respect
for their weapons than their fellow man, aggression and strife will continue.
>Sometimes humorous comments about these things are simply out of place.
I don't mind humorous comments at all. Let's just try not to confuse
comments with attitudes. And Ken, try soaking your head in the sink instead
of the toilet. Maybe your articles would stay out of the sewer that way.
>Comments?*
These are mine, if they offend anyone they were probably meant to.
Flames tolerated, as usual.
--
Chris Harrison
Evan Marcus
5 minutes' was out of place and not funny because he was the President, and
he could do it. (Correct me if I'm wrong, but my readnews doesn't have auto-
follow up and I'm getting lazy)
My opinion about the joke was that it was really kinda funny. I enjoyed it.
If I had said it, it certainly wouldn;t have been funny. It's funny 'cause
Ronnie has the ability to do it, not unfunny because he does. It's also
funny because you don't expect jokes coming from high places like that.
Also, it's funny because you can just picture all his aides scurrying around
trying to come up with a way to explain it away!
Sure, it's a dead horse, and jokes stop being funny when you explain them,
but nevertheless (I love that word), I wanted to get my 2 c/ (how can you
make a cents sign??) in.
--Evan Marcus
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What do you want? Wicker?
Frank Silbermann
>
>A doctor just back from the good ole USSR writes in the current American
>Medical Assoc. Journal that we and they should exchange 250,000 students
>as hostages against the threat of nuke war. (Perhaps there IS something
>in the water in Leningrad besides the Trotsky Trots) What a great idea!
>I have a few candidates to go right in the front of my mind although he says
>they should be chosen by lottery for a two year stint.
Don't fall for it, America! It's a commie trick! The Ruskies aren't soft
on the destruction of innocent life, like we are. They wouldn't think twice
about sacrificing 250,000 of their own innocent students if one of their
evil political goals was on the line. But our government, which loves
its citizens, each and every one (except the trouble-makers), would have
its hands tied.
Frank Silbermann
Fred Williams
>In article <34...@decwrl.UUCP> ar...@lymph.DEC writes:
>>
>>A doctor just back from the good ole USSR writes in the current American
>>Medical Assoc. Journal that we and they should exchange 250,000 students
>Don't fall for it, America! It's a commie trick! The Ruskies aren't soft
>on the destruction of innocent life, like we are. They wouldn't think twice
>about sacrificing 250,000 of their own innocent students if one of their
>evil political goals was on the line. But our government, which loves
>its citizens, each and every one (except the trouble-makers), would have
>its hands tied.
>
> Frank Silbermann
GIVE ME A BREAK!!!
I'm telling you that the U.S. does not have a monopoly on love for
it's citizens, or justice, etc., etc. People are pretty much the same
the world over. There is just no evidence to the contrary.
In the USSR the police have more widspread powers of search &
whatchyamacallit, etc. Often these are abused...or so I've heard.
I suspect that the Soviet reputation to set human rights aside, or at
least give them low priority is well deserved. For this I must condemn
them. It is no way for an enlightened nation to conduct themselves!
At the same time, I am not very pleased with the U.S. when the
FBI, (CIA?, It's so hard to differentiate without a program), comes
into Canada and arrests people just like they had a right to do so.
This has been done repeatedly without any attempt at extradition
proceedings, and without informing any Canadian authorities. This is
also not the way an enlightened nation should conduct themselves.
I could make references to the way blacks are treated in the U.S.
if we were to talk about human rights, etc. But really, I don't want
to repeat what has already been well posted on the net by others.
I just want to say that believing that "God" is on your side;
or that your enemy is "evil" and must be destroyed, etc. This is
what I call national chauvenism, and it leads to wars. So when you have
these thoughts, you should scare yourself! You scare me!
Cheers, Fred Williams
Dr.Schlesinger
The suggestion that we are soft about the destruction of innocent
life is ludicrous. I suppose we gave a damn about how many millions of
Vietnamese we butchered to avoid admitting we'd made a stupid mistake
by retrieving a former French colony under the guise of containment.
I realize the writer means the deliberate willingness to let hostages be
destroyed. But seriously the facile assumption about the "Ruskies"
reveals the kind of white hats vs. black hats delusions on which the
Cold War feeds. The idea of the brutal Ruskies, of course, rests on
the Gulag and Stalin, and other aspects of Russian history. But our
history of the last 200 years isn't that reasuuring either... some
would say that the Union's "democratic" way opf settling the little
problem of 1861 wasn't exactly humanitarian... then comes Hiroshima
with all of its questions, and heaven knows what other humanitarian
wonders we'll yet bring to the world.
The Soviets/Russians seem brutal to us, but they know what
suffering and the death of millions us like... all Russian families
have suffered untold hardships. Only a handful of Americans, and not
an inch of the American mainland, have ever suffered similarly since
1865! So we shouldn't be too sure about who may be really willing to
be ruthless and brutal for their beliefs at a certain momen.
Todd Jones
> 5 minutes' was out of place and not funny because he was the President, and
> he could do it.
>
I bet the Russians got a good laugh out of it. In fact it was
probably as good a laugh as you would have gotten if Gorbachev
had said the same about the USA.
> I enjoyed it.
> If I had said it, it certainly wouldn;t have been funny. It's funny 'cause
> Ronnie has the ability to do it.
The ability to tell the joke or start bombing?
> --Evan Marcus
The reason it's not funny is because Ronnie talks so tough,
I have good reason to believe he might actually attempt a
strike on Russia.
-todd jones
Dowdy Jackson
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Avatar
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Dr <1...@psc70.UUCP> S:
Screw you! The Soviets are a bunch blood thirsty bastards from the word
GO. We should have kept marching to Moscow at the end of Nazi Germany's
life and killed Stalin with his own knife! Sometimes I wonder about you
people stuck in colleges/universities...are you learning anything? Can
you ignore what has happened in various places around the world? Ask
people who have recently left the USSR (and Co!) to come to America...
..ask 'em if they want to go back...ask yourself if you'd like to go..
.I'm sure Ken Arndt, D.B. Ward and I would be all too glad to take up a
collection to send you! ONE WAY of course!
-Avatar->
ps-If you think we screwed-up so bad with Hiroshima, what do you think
of the attack on Pearl Harbor? Was that ok? Do you think they just goofed?
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Frank Silbermann
>
> The suggestion that we are soft about the destruction of innocent
>life is ludicrous.
Haven't you ever watched James Bond movies? It's always
the _commie_ spy (or Nazi spy, same difference) who is told,
"You knew the penalty for failure"
just before his own boss kills him.
>I suppose we gave a damn about how many millions of
>Vietnamese we butchered to avoid admitting we'd made a stupid mistake
>by retrieving a former French colony under the guise of containment.
No, no. That's a negative attitude. Think of it as the many
(millions? Naw!) Vienamese we butchered to avoid the greater
bloodbath which invariably follows communist revolutions
(and which did indeed follow the communist take-over of South Vietnam
and Cambodia, as expected).
>then comes Hiroshima with all of its questions, and heaven knows
>what other humanitarian wonders we'll yet bring to the world.
Yeah, I know about Hiroshima, but that's different, 'cause we always
felt bad about it.
I don't think I can continue this discussion with you,
if you insist on being serious.
Frank Silbermann
Baba ROM DOS
> GO. We should have kept marching to Moscow at the end of Nazi Germany's
> life and killed Stalin with his own knife!
>
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Yeah! *That* would have shown that *we* were no "bunch blood thirsty bastards"!
I mean, what kind of country with any balls doesn't turn on its allies at the
first opportunity, anyway?
Baba
Bill Tanenbaum
> >>A doctor just back from the good ole USSR writes in the current American
> >>Medical Assoc. Journal that we and they should exchange 250,000 students
> >>as hostages against the threat of nuke war...
> [Frank Silbermann]
> >Don't fall for it, America! It's a commie trick! The Ruskies aren't soft
> >on the destruction of innocent life, like we are. They wouldn't think twice
> >about sacrificing 250,000 of their own innocent students if one of their
> >evil political goals was on the line. But our government, which loves
> >its citizens, each and every one (except the trouble-makers), would have
> >its hands tied.
> [Fred Williams]
> GIVE ME A BREAK!!!
> I'm telling you that the U.S. does not have a monopoly on love for
> it's citizens, or justice, etc., etc. People are pretty much the same
> the world over. There is just no evidence to the contrary.
People may be, but Frank was talking about governments.
> In the USSR the police have more widspread powers of search &
> whatchyamacallit, etc. Often these are abused...or so I've heard.
> I suspect that the Soviet reputation to set human rights aside, or at
> least give them low priority is well deserved. For this I must condemn
> them. It is no way for an enlightened nation to conduct themselves!
> At the same time, I am not very pleased with the U.S. when the
> FBI, (CIA?, It's so hard to differentiate without a program), comes
> into Canada and arrests people just like they had a right to do so.
> This has been done repeatedly without any attempt at extradition
> proceedings, and without informing any Canadian authorities. This is
> also not the way an enlightened nation should conduct themselves.
The U. S. Govt. is far from perfect (as is Canada's - remember Trudeau's
action during the Quebec separatist bombings a ways back), but to compare
the U. S. with the Soviet police state is is an abomination. There is a
real difference between western democracies and the Soviet Union.
> I could make references to the way blacks are treated in the U.S.
> if we were to talk about human rights, etc. But really, I don't want
> to repeat what has already been well posted on the net by others.
It's not the U. S. government that oppresses blacks, but the attitudes
of many of its people. But as you say, people are much the same the world
over. The U. S. government has been, at least before Reagan, the prime
force allieviating discrimination.
> I just want to say that believing that "God" is on your side;
> or that your enemy is "evil" and must be destroyed, etc. This is
> what I call national chauvenism, and it leads to wars. So when you have
> these thoughts, you should scare yourself! You scare me!
True, but this does not mean that one government is just as bad as the next.
I would have to agree with Silbermann's assessment of the student exchange
idea.
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john chapman
> > >>A doctor just back from the good ole USSR writes in the current American
> > >>Medical Assoc. Journal that we and they should exchange 250,000 students
> > >>as hostages against the threat of nuke war...
> -------------------------------
> > [Frank Silbermann]
> > >Don't fall for it, America! It's a commie trick! The Ruskies aren't soft
> > >on the destruction of innocent life, like we are. They wouldn't think twice
> > >about sacrificing 250,000 of their own innocent students if one of their
> > >evil political goals was on the line. But our government, which loves
How about exchanging 250,000 politicians? :-)
We have more than we need up here so we could loan you some
to trade if you're a bit short...
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John Chapman
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