Dumbledore's Gleam Of Triumph: GoF Spoilers
Tim Bruening
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Page 696 of 734, chapter 36 of 37 of hardback Goblet of Fire. After
Harry Potter tells Dumbledore that Voldemort can now touch him without
pain, he thinks he sees a "gleam of something like triumph" in
Dumbledore's eyes. Why would Dumbledore's eyes have a gleam of triumph
after he learns that Voldemort can touch Potter?
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> after he learns that Voldemort can touch Potter?
>
doug
He would now be vulnerable? Maybe that is it?? Since it seems now that
Voldemort could and probably would be killed once and for all???
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doug
That is a very sick thing to say....
Amdeus4444
>He would now be vulnerable? Maybe that is it?? Since it seems now that
>Voldemort could and probably would be killed once and for all???
>
That is also my guess. Voldemort stated that he had gone very far toward
immortality, through his dangerous, magical experiments. But having been
foiled in getting his body back by means of the Philopsopher's (Sorcerer's)
Stone, he opted to settle for a body like his former one (pre- experiments),
and his former powers back. The magical method he used to get back his old
body (Muggle bone, Wormtail's flesh and Harry's blood) meant that his body is
now definitely mortal once again.
That is likely the reason for Dumbledore's momentary gleam of triumph. He knew
Voldemort could not have been killed in the normal way before (see HPPS), but
that now he can be killed. D suddenly looked tired because he realizes, as
perhaps no one else does, how very difficult it will be to defeat even a mortal
Lord Voldemort.
But this is only my guess. We shall see.
A
doug
Right.
James J. Dominguez
On 10 Dec 2002, doug shared this:
> That is a very sick thing to say....
Made me laugh. :)
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Lauren
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Because he reads alt.fan.harry-potter, and knows all our theories !
Kevin Karpenske
> Page 696 of 734, chapter 36 of 37 of hardback Goblet of Fire. After
> Harry Potter tells Dumbledore that Voldemort can now touch him without
> pain, he thinks he sees a "gleam of something like triumph" in
> Dumbledore's eyes. Why would Dumbledore's eyes have a gleam of
> triumph after he learns that Voldemort can touch Potter?
This happens to be the one question to which we absolutely, positively,
without a doubt know the answer. Let me enlighten you.
(Those who have received this enlightenment before, please stop now, for
the sake of your sanity.)
Now, it's really quite simple. Please bear with me.
Dumbledore is actually Voldemort's great uncle, on his father's side.
Dumbledore is a branch-off of the line of Slytherin, which runs through
the Riddle family.
This means that Dumbledore is, in truth, related by blood to to the Heir
of Slytherin. However, Lily Potter is the Heir of Gryffindor via the
Evans family, which, like the Riddle family, has been flooded with a
line of Squibs.
James Potter, meanwhile, is Dumbledore reborn from the ashes of - not
Fawkes, but Fawkes' clone, created via the DNA of an unmentioned *third*
feather plucked (in terms of the fourth dimension) before the two that
reside in the wands of Harry and Voldemort.
This, however, occurs three years after the events of book 4, in
Dumbledore's last ditch effort to thwart Voldemort. Snape sends the
so-called James Potter forty years into the past using a Timeturner,
along with a letter that instructs Dumbledore's old self to tutor this
rebirth. Additionally, Fawkes' clone witnessed the ordeal, and - as
Snape had explicit instructions to not let anyone in the present know
about the time-shift - he sent the clone back in time as well.
As you may have guessed, Voldemort's mother is actually Lily Potter's
aunt on her mother's side, making Lily and Voldemort cousins. When Lily
married James, she was actually marrying her cousin's great uncle's
phoenix rebirth, which is illegal in fifteen countries, including the
UK.
The old Dumbledore knew this, so he fed Fawkes' clone to his own
original Fawkes to hide the evidence - and Fawkes ate all but two
feathers from the clone, which Dumbledore gave to Ollivander to fashion
into wands. This, of course, is in terms of the fourth dimension, which
means it happened *after* the future cloning of Fawkes, meaning the old
Fawkes burst into flames and was reborn as his future self - which, due
to a temporal flux, caused a re-re-birth that spawned a second James
Potter, thereafter named Harry.
Consequently, Harry is the rebirth of the rebirth of the great uncle of
Lord Voldemort, thus a direct off-shoot (via rebirth) of the Line of
Slytherin (which contains a lot of Squibs).
When Voldemort himself was reborn using Harry's blood, this meant that
Voldemort became the rebirth of the rebirth of the rebirth of
Dumbledore (who was his great uncle), removing Voldemort from the Evans
family by two full generations, and making Lily the cousin of the
technically-deceased great-nephew of the phoenix father of Voldemort's
phoenix-grandfather. This means that Lily had actually been married
to the phoenix-father of the phoenix-great-grandson of the great-uncle
of her technically-deceased cousin, which happens to be legal in the UK
and clears Dumbledore's conscience, hence the gleam of something like
triumph in Dumbledore's eyes.
I hope that clears things up.
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doug
What alias is he using, Lauren?
doug
Wow.. such enlightenment.. I would have never known.. :-P
Troels Forchhammer
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> "Tim Bruening" <tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
> >
> > Why would Dumbledore's eyes have a gleam of triumph
>
LOL!
So you think Harry misinterpreted ... I mean ... if that is the
source of Dumbledore's gleam, I wouldn't guess it to be triumph
(except, perhaps, a triumph at succeeding in fooling us all ...)
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doug
Hagrid's. Really.
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want to act like you’re someone (you live what you learn). You want
someone to hurt like you (you live what you learn). You want to share
what you’ve been through (you live what you learn).” – Linkin Park
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have you noticed how many times she uses different forms of triumph
almost like she needs a thesaurus maybe its a code
maybe she is a fan of the little rubber comedy dog
my bet for the second to last word in the last book is triumphant
Tim Bruening
Kevin Karpenske wrote:
What happens if Voldemort kills Harry, Dumbledore, and the phoenix?
doug
He dies? I hope you know that this is a very funny joke..
Dennis Maggard
>Tim Bruening <tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote in
>news:3DF4F025...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us:
>
>> Page 696 of 734, chapter 36 of 37 of hardback Goblet of Fire. After
>> Harry Potter tells Dumbledore that Voldemort can now touch him without
>> pain, he thinks he sees a "gleam of something like triumph" in
>> Dumbledore's eyes. Why would Dumbledore's eyes have a gleam of
>> triumph after he learns that Voldemort can touch Potter?
>
>This happens to be the one question to which we absolutely, positively,
>without a doubt know the answer. Let me enlighten you.
>
>(Those who have received this enlightenment before, please stop now, for
>the sake of your sanity.)
[big snip]
That was hysterical!!!
Dennis
Thomas Madura
Gee - I can't believe you got the whole thing right - W O W ! ! !
Thomas Madura
Well - since they are of the Phoenix - they arise again from the ashes -
which means that the struggle with Voldemort is a Never ending story!
Richard Eney
>> > This happens to be the one question to which we absolutely, positively,
>> > without a doubt know the answer. Let me enlighten you.
<snip>
>Well - since they are of the Phoenix - they arise again from the ashes-
>which means that the struggle with Voldemort is a Never ending story!
No! No!
<runs screaming into the night>
=Tamar
Adrian Suter
>> Page 696 of 734, chapter 36 of 37 of hardback Goblet of Fire. After
>> Harry Potter tells Dumbledore that Voldemort can now touch him without
>> pain, he thinks he sees a "gleam of something like triumph" in
>> Dumbledore's eyes. Why would Dumbledore's eyes have a gleam of triumph
>> after he learns that Voldemort can touch Potter?
>
>He would now be vulnerable? Maybe that is it?? Since it seems now that
>Voldemort could and probably would be killed once and for all???
That's the standard theory, but I think it is wrong.
Dumbledore is well known for giving a second chance to everybody (Hagrid
once says this explicitly, and I think he is perfectly right). Therefore,
it seems hard to imagine that Dumbledore would feel triumph if somebody
gets a weakness that makes him vulnerable.
I rather think that Dumbledore knows that Voldemort now shares one of
Harry's *postitive* sides, not Harry's vulnerability. Maybe Voldemort has
now a better chance to choose the right way and become a white wizard
instead of a staying a dark one.
It would match Dumbledore's character to feel triumphant when such a thing
happens. It also explains why the gleam disappears so quickly: Dumbledore
realizes how little probability there is for Voldemort to change.
Adrian
doug
Oh well.. I will just not worry about that.. since until something
refutes it (officially) I am going to continue to think that Voldemort
could now be killed..and the gleam is just something to Dumbledore's
knowledge that now Voldemort is vulnerable. Did I say that Voldemort
"inherited" Harry Vulnerability??? No.. the vulnerability is
Voldemort's alone.
I see no change in the cards for Voldemort, I find that someone will
have to kill him to be free from his reign of terror.