Borland Museum
Saci
More specific TC and TP
Regards
SAci
Dave Nottage (TeamB)
> What kind of license have the software available in Borland museum ?
>
> More specific TC and TP
AFAICR, "Personal" type licences, ie you cant do anything commercial with
them.
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Saci
Believe or not I need this very old products for comercial purposes.
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Dave Nottage (TeamB)
> Have any way to license this product for comercial use ?
By purchasing a copy, although finding some place or someone who is selling,
would be fairly rare.
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Mark Jerde
> > Have any way to license this product for comercial use ?
>
> By purchasing a copy, although finding some place or someone who is selling,
> would be fairly rare.
Doesn't Borland have a standard "downgrade" policy? Microsoft does, IIRC.
Mark Jerde
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John Herbster
> > Have any way to license this product for comercial use ?
> By purchasing a copy, although finding some place or
> someone who is selling, would be fairly rare.
And you might want to check the EULA. Sometime between
"back then" and now, the EULAs changed. If I read the D6
EULA correctly, the end-user may *not* resell D6. --JohnH
Dave Nottage (TeamB)
> > By purchasing a copy, although finding some place or
> > someone who is selling, would be fairly rare.
>
> And you might want to check the EULA. Sometime between
> "back then" and now, the EULAs changed. If I read the D6
> EULA correctly, the end-user may *not* resell D6.
I dont think they can change the EULA on something after someone has bought
it.
We were talking about TC and TP.
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Dave Nottage (TeamB)
Ron Schofield
That kind of EULA has already been overturned in US courts.
Ron
Brion L. Webster
> And you might want to check the EULA. Sometime between
> "back then" and now, the EULAs changed. If I read the D6
> EULA correctly, the end-user may *not* resell D6. --JohnH
There was extensive discussion on this. Essentially, the new EULA says you
have to register your product, and get Borland's OK on reselling your product,
so they can transfer the registration. While your transfer rights are
somewhat restricted, they are still there. AFAIK, this kind of restriction
has not been challenged in court.
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Team JEDI, 2001 Spirit of Delphi Award Winners
http://www.delphi-jedi.org
Fresno Area Delphi Users Group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FresnoDelphi
John Herbster
> > And you might want to check the EULA. Sometime between
> > "back then" and now, the EULAs changed. If I read the D6
> > EULA correctly, the end-user may *not* resell D6.
Looking at older EULAs, I found D5 Prof. says "You may
transfer the Software and documentation on a permanent
basis provided you retain no copies and the recipient
agrees to the terms of the License Agreement." --JohnH
William Meyer
>
> Looking at older EULAs, I found D5 Prof. says "You may
> transfer the Software and documentation on a permanent
> basis provided you retain no copies and the recipient
> agrees to the terms of the License Agreement." --JohnH
Clearly too sensible to be sustained <g>.
Bill
John Elrick
"Brion L. Webster" <brion....@no.spam.ci.fresno.ca.us> wrote in message
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> "John Herbster" <herb...@swbell.net> wrote...
> > And you might want to check the EULA. Sometime between
> > "back then" and now, the EULAs changed. If I read the D6
> > EULA correctly, the end-user may *not* resell D6. --JohnH
>
> There was extensive discussion on this. Essentially, the new EULA says
you
> have to register your product, and get Borland's OK on reselling your
product,
<rant>
license and license.
If the word "product" appears anywhere in the EULA, it will be a near
impossible sale to a court. They'd be overturning the other two thirds of
the Uniform Commercial Code (The first third was rendered moot by the
"Shrinkwrap License" and Congress is starting to regret that. Congress can
change the court's mind, you know. It's called "New Legislation").
The counter argument would be the trivial: "If this is a product, Your
Honor, what is to prevent other "products" from being "licensed" in the same
manner. Automobiles? Houses? Will we next be hearing the argument that
'you can't sell your house without the original builder's permission'? And
how will we police that? Will you open the doors for legalized
discrimination?"
Ya, that will be the fun part. If the EULA issuer started turning down
some transfers and not others. Can you say "discrimination suit waiting to
happen"? "I want to sell my old copy of Delphi." "You can't." "Well, I
know why. It's because I'm a MARTIAN*, isn't it!" Then comes the
statistics** to prove it and Borland's in court with a $50 million class
action suit all because some genius thought Borland should have a say over
who gets to sell a five year old copy of Delphi.
God knows that all those old copies of software being transfered to other
people have really crippled the industry. Just look at Microsoft. Losing
money hand over fist - how are they ever gonna keep their doors open. Gotta
plug this hole fast! Man, that reminds me. I've just gotta rush out and
buy a copy of VB2.
The lawyers in the software industry remind me of those guys that
participate in the "Running of the Bulls"***, only they are putting their
clients directly in harms way instead of themselves. Some of the crap I've
read goes beyond incompetence and borders on malpractice.
I think the real reason these new EULAs are emerging is simple - everybody
is running out of reasons for businesses to buy the new release. They can
see that, in a few more years, corporate America will be lining up at eBay,
bidding the Hell out of a six year old development package just so they can
avoid ordering a nice, shiny new copy of the "ide du jour". The following
week they'll be lined up to buy more keypunch machines to add to their data
warehousing capability.
Or maybe some genius figured that this is the new way to win customers.
"We'll start by controlling who they can sell their old copies to. Once
they are used to that, we'll put a limit on how long they can use the
license. And then, when they have accepted that like the sheep they are -
our license will prohibit them from changing vendors! Mawhahaha! Then we
can fire the marketing staff, get rid of salespeople - Hell, we won't even
need developers, just one graphics artist named Stu to make a new splash
screen every year. And we'll still make money!!"
I think they are trying their best to turn the legislative and judicial
branches against the software industry by acting too big for their britches.
Even MS better remember that a guy named Nader brought down the auto
industry - and adjusted for inflation, MS today would have been a division
of GM of the '60's.
</rant>
John Elrick
* By now you know that Martian is a replacement word for another word that
I'm not gonna use. Or maybe it's a different one. Let your own prejudices
decide.
** As my mother always said: "There are lies, damn lies, and then
statistics. Given she worked (long ago) as a secretary to a Senator, I
always figured she was knew what she was talking about.
*** In case you are unfamiliar, this is when "Darwin Award****" candidates
test their courage by seeing if they can outrun a collective twenty tons of
maddened bulls in a narrow street. Just like the software industry and
EULAs, if they are successful they get a pat on the back whereas if they
slip they'll be trampled to death and/or gored.
Marc Rohloff
I see they have a copy of TP7 for $20 right now.
I don't know if you can get something similar in Brazil.
What do you need to use TP / TC for?
Marc Rohloff
Iman L Crawford
><rant>
> ..snip..
></rant>
Great rant.
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Iman
`fast-forwards to a dark future, where people who couldn't be trusted to
transform Optimus Prime from a semi into a robot are suddenly skewering
their palms on soldering irons.' - Penny Arcade
Colin Wilson
> Mawhahaha!
Shouldn't that have been Mwahahaha :)
Colin
e-mail :co...@wilsonc.demon.co.uk
web: http://www.wilsonc.demon.co.uk/delphi.htm
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David Intersimone
with the executables you build. The only restriction is that you can't
re-distribute the Borland copyrighted products - meaning the products
themselves.
"Dave Nottage (TeamB)" wrote:
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Dave Nottage (TeamB)
> you can use the museum products personally. You can do whatever you want
> with the executables you build. The only restriction is that you can't
> re-distribute the Borland copyrighted products - meaning the products
> themselves.
Cool.. thanks for the clarification.
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