Long-term Bevis uselessness
Jim Dumas
It is quite sad when a disruptive HG fruit-cake at Christmas time can
contribute so little to the whole, yet think they are wonderous. This
just boggles the mind but is transparently understood. For there are
people in this World that need to be angry and urinating on everybody to
be happy, as paradoxical as that may seem.
The end result is this fruit-cake is ignored and at best tolerated. The
problem is credibility: One doesn't know what to believe, so all the
information posted by the fruit-cake is discounted 100%. Clearly, the
situation is a double-edged sword where the fruit-cake is
self-victimized as well, (as paradoxical as that may seem too).
In short, Fruit-cake-wart, I don't trust or believe you. The net result
is you have hurt yourself far more than others with your
piss-on-everybody attitude. (To minimize lateral thought for you.)
Have a Merry HG Christmas,
--
Jim Dumas, j-d...@mindspring.com (remove deSPAMMER)
Type 1 since 1986, no complications, rarely HG: <1/mo.,
lispro+R+U+NPH daily, moderate exercise, <6% HbA1c typ.
Ozgirl
"Jim Dumas" <j-d...@deSPAMMERmindspring.com> wrote in message
news:3C263E8A...@deSPAMMERmindspring.com...
> Dear Beaver-wart Whizzer! (Time to move on Dude!)
>
> It is quite sad when a disruptive HG fruit-cake at Christmas time
can
> contribute so little to the whole, yet think they are wonderous.
??? strange thing to say about the long time poster Beav who is well
liked and much respected in here.
I thought you were talking about yourself there for a moment and was
about to agree.
Jim Dumas
>
> ??? strange thing to say about the long time poster Beav who is well
> liked and much respected in here.
>
> I thought you were talking about yourself there for a moment and was
> about to agree.
I realize he's been here for years, but his off-the-wall posts to me
have caused me to discount everything he says. I just don't trust him,
so I toss it all out. Sad.
Oh well,
Guy
<j-d...@deSPAMMERmindspring.com> wrote:
>Ozgirl wrote:
>>
>> ??? strange thing to say about the long time poster Beav who is well
>> liked and much respected in here.
>>
>> I thought you were talking about yourself there for a moment and was
>> about to agree.
>
>I realize he's been here for years, but his off-the-wall posts to me
>have caused me to discount everything he says. I just don't trust him,
>so I toss it all out. Sad.
>
>Oh well,
We tend to forget that this is only the internet.
It contains all types from all over the world.
It teaches me more about people than I ever learned in the
classroom.
Relax and enjoy it.
Being old and sick has made me much less prone to get
upset with people. Just get busy and find a cure I will
coming here each day to look for it.
Guy Williams
DaveO
> In short, Fruit-cake-wart, I don't trust or believe you. The net result
> is you have hurt yourself far more than others with your
> piss-on-everybody attitude. (To minimize lateral thought for you.)
So who do you think trusts you? Beav hasn't hurt himself a bit, and when
he has something to say, it is surely not tongue-in-cheek.. You know
where you stand. Beav is good people.
>
> Have a Merry HG Christmas,
What the hell's an HG?
> --
> Jim Dumas, j-d...@mindspring.com (remove deSPAMMER)
> Type 1 since 1986, no complications, rarely HG: <1/mo.,
What the hell's HG: ?
> lispro+R+U+NPH daily, moderate exercise, <6% HbA1c typ.
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Beavis
"Jim Dumas" <j-d...@deSPAMMERmindspring.com> wrote in message
> Ozgirl wrote:
> >
> > ??? strange thing to say about the long time poster Beav who
is well
> > liked and much respected in here.
> >
> > I thought you were talking about yourself there for a moment
and was
> > about to agree.
>
> I realize he's been here for years, but his off-the-wall posts
to me
> have caused me to discount everything he says.
You just didn't like it when I told you that *I* think food is
the first line of defence, because YOU want to eat like any
normal non diabetic does. The trouble with that (as you've
discovered, despite your scientific bullshit) is it leads to
complications. You're already suffering from them and it seems to
not sit well with you that I'm not. Be that as it may.
I just don't trust him,
> so I toss it all out. Sad.
And yet you feel the need to start a whole new thread just about
me. Now that IS sad.
>
> Oh well,
Indeed.
Beav
Beavis
"DaveO" <fenc...@map.com> wrote in message
news:3C265AB7...@map.com...
> Jim Dumas wrote:
>
> > In short, Fruit-cake-wart, I don't trust or believe you. The
net result
> > is you have hurt yourself far more than others with your
> > piss-on-everybody attitude. (To minimize lateral thought for
you.)
>
> So who do you think trusts you? Beav hasn't hurt himself a bit,
and when
> he has something to say, it is surely not tongue-in-cheek.. You
know
> where you stand. Beav is good people.
Cheers Dave. I TRY to be good people, but sometimes when you say
something that's not particularly popular, this sort of post
appears. I can live with it though, am a bloke :-)
Beav
Beavis
"Jim Dumas" <j-d...@deSPAMMERmindspring.com> wrote in message
> Dear Beaver-wart Whizzer! (Time to move on Dude!)
Well Dumas, I've read all the responses to your attempted
character assasination and you don't appear to be pulling in the
troops. As it happens it's like water off a duck's back to me,
you can say what you want, it doesn't and can't hurt me. What it
IS doing though is showing you for what you are. An insecure sado
who's desperate for support. Maybe ASD is a beeter place?
>
> It is quite sad when a disruptive HG fruit-cake at Christmas
time can
> contribute so little to the whole, yet think they are
wonderous.
I wonder where you came across the idea that I think I'm
wonderous. My WIFE is wonderous, but I think I'm pretty much your
average diabetic.
This
> just boggles the mind but is transparently understood.
By whom?
For there are
> people in this World that need to be angry and urinating on
everybody to
> be happy, as paradoxical as that may seem.
You seem to be the angry young man around here Jim. Me?? I'm just
sat here wondering what goes on inside your head.
>
> The end result is this fruit-cake is ignored and at best
tolerated.
This isn't the impression I'm getting, and that's just from
reading this single thread.
The
> problem is credibility: One doesn't know what to believe, so
all the
> information posted by the fruit-cake is discounted 100%.
Clearly, the
> situation is a double-edged sword where the fruit-cake is
> self-victimized as well, (as paradoxical as that may seem too).
I think perhaps you've spent too much time on "the" couch Jim.
Far too many fancy words and no substance.
>
> In short, Fruit-cake-wart, I don't trust or believe you.
And this is supposed to cause me some concern?
The net result
> is you have hurt yourself far more than others with your
> piss-on-everybody attitude.
Now let's see.... Who have I pissed on?? Y'know, I can't think of
ANYONE apart from your boyfriend, and he NEEDED pissing on. I
even actually tried to help YOU, thinking at first that you were
new to this, but when someone with diabetes (you) wants to live
the life of a non diabetic (you again) and suffer the
consequences (you yet again), one shouldn't be too quick to
complain about getting pissed on, when the rest of the world
knows you (that's you again) are wrong in your approach.
(To minimize lateral thought for you.)
>
> Have a Merry HG Christmas,
I bet you use phrases like "It's nothing personal" too. Goodnight
Jim.
Beav
Beavis
>
> > In short, Fruit-cake-wart, I don't trust or believe you. The
net result
> > is you have hurt yourself far more than others with your
> > piss-on-everybody attitude. (To minimize lateral thought for
you.)
>
> So who do you think trusts you? Beav hasn't hurt himself a bit,
and when
> he has something to say, it is surely not tongue-in-cheek.. You
know
> where you stand. Beav is good people.
>
> >
> > Have a Merry HG Christmas,
>
> What the hell's an HG?
It's hypo Dave (unless it's hyPER, there's n telling with this
bloke:-))
Beav
Jim Dumas
>
> So who do you think trusts you? Beav hasn't hurt himself a bit, and when
> he has something to say, it is surely not tongue-in-cheek.. You know
> where you stand. Beav is good people.
>
He probably is good people. But he hasn't been honest with me. My
tongue-in-cheek posts to him were in response to his off-the-wall,
antagonistic posts to me in the "Long-term Novolog use" thread where he
had nothing to add. So he should not have posted in that thread.
So from my MHD newbie perspective, he just wants to cause trouble. But
you have a good point, since we don't know each other, how do I know I
can trust you? I don't. But I'm not going out of my way to upset you
either. Moreover, I have not used my tongue-in-cheek backhand on
anybody else here.
The point: I was looking for information on Novolog and I got flak from
Beav instead. He clearly went out of his way to bother me. So I
responded in kind. It's important to establish a limit for this kind of
person, so they know how far they can push you.
There are one or two here who know me from the CompuServe DM forum and
I'm posting with my real name, not looking for trouble.
In any case Dave, sorry to bother you, HG is hypoglycemic,
--
Jim Dumas, j-d...@mindspring.com (remove deSPAMMER)
Type 1 since 1986, no complications, rarely HG: <1/mo.,
Beavis
"Jim Dumas" <j-d...@deSPAMMERmindspring.com> wrote in message
> DaveO wrote:
> >
> > So who do you think trusts you? Beav hasn't hurt himself a
bit, and when
> > he has something to say, it is surely not tongue-in-cheek..
You know
> > where you stand. Beav is good people.
> >
>
> He probably is good people. But he hasn't been honest with me.
I haven't? Show me where I haven't.
My
> tongue-in-cheek posts to him were in response to his
off-the-wall,
> antagonistic posts to me in the "Long-term Novolog use" thread
where he
> had nothing to add. So he should not have posted in that
thread.
Your tongue in cheek posts? Do you expect ANYONE to think you
posted tongue in cheek? You really must live in another
dimension.
>
> So from my MHD newbie perspective, he just wants to cause
trouble.
That's right Jim, I said that eating the right foods was your
first and best line of defence against complications. That's
REALLY causing you trouble. Actually, you're obviously being
manipulated by Groves.
But
> you have a good point, since we don't know each other, how do I
know I
> can trust you? I don't. But I'm not going out of my way to
upset you
> either. Moreover, I have not used my tongue-in-cheek backhand
on
> anybody else here.
Tongue in cheek!!
>
> The point: I was looking for information on Novolog and I got
flak from
> Beav instead.
You got some info you didn't like from Beav, and that's ALL you
got.
He clearly went out of his way to bother me. So I
> responded in kind. It's important to establish a limit for
this kind of
> person, so they know how far they can push you.
Jim you couldn't push me if your life depended on it. You're just
annoyed because you didn't like being told you can't eat like you
do and NOT suffer the consequences.
Beav
Jim Dumas
>
> Now let's see.... Who have I pissed on?? Y'know, I can't think of
> ANYONE apart from your boyfriend, and he NEEDED pissing on. I
> even actually tried to help YOU, thinking at first that you were
> new to this, but when someone with diabetes (you) wants to live
> the life of a non diabetic (you again) and suffer the
> consequences (you yet again), one shouldn't be too quick to
> complain about getting pissed on, when the rest of the world
> knows you (that's you again) are wrong in your approach.
Dear Beav,
This is an example of an antagonistic, stir-the-pot, cause trouble
post. The boyfriend part is new and clearly inflammatory. For the
record, I'm divorced after 9 years with no kids and am quite straight.
But I sample the behavior of the little ones, that I'm now sorry I don't
have, through friends who have kids.
Next, I do eat a normal diet and will not change. I do have a dynamic
dosing therapy that permits this with low hypoglycemia and low
complication rates. My therapy is modelled after Dr Kinga Howorka's
text "Functional Insulin Therapy" that first appeared in German about
1985. It was translated to UK English about 1990 and is now out of
print. So your statement that the "Rest of the World knows I'm wrong",
is clearly incorrect.
Finally, I suspect we will find background retinopathy in your eyes as
well. It goes with the turf. I don't know of any type 1s who have
escaped this mild form of retinopathy. But like me, your rate of
progression is so slow, something else will probably get you first.
So Beav, you'll have to try harder to get me upset,
Tiger Lily
>Finally, I suspect we will find background retinopathy in your eyes as
>well. It goes with the turf. I don't know of any type 1s who have
>escaped this mild form of retinopathy. But like me, your rate of
>progression is so slow, something else will probably get you first.
14 yrs..... no complications, and no signs of complications
touch wood
k t1 14 yrs
Jim Dumas
>
> I for one are now wondering why you are here...... Sad....
Hi Gary,
I'm watching two other lists for Novolog information as well. So MHD is
not special, but the international flavor here is better for this
information. What seems to be bothering everybody, is that I'm still
friends with Groves. That doesn't mean I see eye-to-eye with Groves,
but at least 50% of the time, we don't argue.
My interest is synthetics, so I have no Groves agenda. With that said,
I still plan to support his need to import animal source insulins into
the US. But I'm not going to preach about it.
I'm looking for Novolog experiences, that's all,
Jim Dumas
Sorry Tiger Lily,
I stand corrected and believe you. But Beav needs a Dr's note!
Steam Train
<j-d...@deSPAMMERmindspring.com> wrote:
[snippage]
I've been reading Beavis's posts for years, and now I've read enough
of yours to determine an adequate response. Into the killfile with ye!
<PLONK!>
Beavis
"Jim Dumas" <j-d...@deSPAMMERmindspring.com> wrote in message
> Beavis wrote:
> >
> > Now let's see.... Who have I pissed on?? Y'know, I can't
think of
> > ANYONE apart from your boyfriend, and he NEEDED pissing on. I
> > even actually tried to help YOU, thinking at first that you
were
> > new to this, but when someone with diabetes (you) wants to
live
> > the life of a non diabetic (you again) and suffer the
> > consequences (you yet again), one shouldn't be too quick to
> > complain about getting pissed on, when the rest of the world
> > knows you (that's you again) are wrong in your approach.
>
> Dear Beav,
>
> This is an example of an antagonistic, stir-the-pot, cause
trouble
> post. The boyfriend part is new and clearly inflammatory.
I followed in your name calling footsteps Jim. Strange how you
can dish it out, but you can't take it don't you think?
For the
> record, I'm divorced after 9 years with no kids and am quite
straight.
I'm not after 26 years, with just the one child (didn't want to
have anymore considering I'm diabetic) and am also straight(ish)
> But I sample the behavior of the little ones, that I'm now
sorry I don't
> have, through friends who have kids.
>
> Next, I do eat a normal diet and will not change.
Jim, that much, along with your classic denial, is patently
abvious.
I do have a dynamic
> dosing therapy that permits this with low hypoglycemia and low
> complication rates.
"Low" meaning what exactly? Low as in "just a few" or low as in
none? You're dreaming if you think you can eat normally and not
suffer the consequences, but this IS classic denial after all.
My therapy is modelled after Dr Kinga Howorka's
> text "Functional Insulin Therapy" that first appeared in German
about
> 1985.
Which was about the time that Human insulin became widely
available and MDI became the latest (some think "fad") therapy.
Now we couldn't have anything upsetting THAT line of thought coul
d we, and you seem to be one of those who took everything that
was written during that period as the truth, the whole truth and
nothing BUT the truth. Why? Because it suits you to believe it
for the simple reason it "allows" you to carry on as before.
It was translated to UK English about 1990 and is now out of
> print. So your statement that the "Rest of the World knows I'm
wrong",
> is clearly incorrect.
Is it indeed? That's just one man's opinion you quoted, and it's
no more valuable than yours or mine.
>
> Finally, I suspect we will find background retinopathy in your
eyes as
> well. It goes with the turf.
Jim, much as I'm sure you'd LIKE that to be the case, for me it
isn't. I don't have "background" ANYTHING and certainly not
background retinopathy. I have my eyes checked specifically for
this every 3 months and there's absolutely no sign. Sorry. I
could send you a picture if I felt like it (I don't btw)
I don't know of any type 1s who have
> escaped this mild form of retinopathy.
You don't? Maybe you should get to know some more then
But like me, your rate of
> progression is so slow, something else will probably get you
first.
Assuming again I see.
>
> So Beav, you'll have to try harder to get me upset,
I really can't be bothered.
Beav
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"Steam Train" <tes...@pcsdinc.com> wrote in message
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He'd be in mine too Steam T, but he's too much fun at present :-)
ps. Merry Christmas all you diabetics, and have some REALLY good
nosh over the festive. None of this "diabetic special" crap
either. REALL food. We only have Christmas once a year, so enjoy
it, but HEY!!!!! Let's be careful out there. To All T1's, T2's,
AND any other "T's" that're about :-)
Beav
DaveO
Yep, and a good ol' bloke at that. Happy Holidays to you and yours.
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Jim Dumas
>
> > For the
> > record, I'm divorced after 9 years with no kids and am
> > quite straight.
>
> I'm not after 26 years, with just the one child (didn't want to
> have anymore considering I'm diabetic) and am also straight(ish)
I'll pull a Beav here:
So you're not straight after 26 years? I can live with that.
(Obviously, I'm interested in the child, how old and no DM?)
> Jim, that much, along with your classic denial, is patently
> abvious.
Beav, I suffered denial in the first 3 years of DM. Then you adapt to your
new lifestyle and accept it.
My last job was a very fast paced field sales engineering position for a
software house, (5 sales engineers got laid-off on the east coast last
month, I was one, but the money was too good to ignore, commission structure
that tripled income in 7 months). So I was always on the road and eating at
strange times, often skipping meals to make the next appointment to give a
dog-and-pony-show. I couldn't live this hectic life with your Mid-Evil type
1 advice. A dynamic MDI therapy, as presented by the Howorka FIT text, is
the minimum requirement here. I can't stop the bus because I must follow
Beav's rules. I must blend-in and appear normal so that the team can depend
on me.
There are a multitude of ways to skin the DM cat. You have a method that
works fine for you but is too restrictive for me. My method requires too
much training to dose dynamically on the fly for a Big Mac with fries or a
Kentucky Fried or a garbage pizza, depending on what is available before the
next appointment. This dynamic method works fine for me, but would be too
complex for most. The point here is one size will never fit all in this
type 1 group.
In short, my lifestyle demands that I carry on as before, (like a normal),
and your therapeutic methods admit defeat. If the difference between our
methods is simply mild background retinopathy in 15 years of DM, then I'll
continue to march with my methods. I accept this risk-reward therapeutic
strategy but will not impose my methods on others as a panacea for type 1s.
Sorry to differ, but you'll survive,
Big Nascar Fan
>
> ps. Merry Christmas all you diabetics, and have some REALLY good
> nosh over the festive. None of this "diabetic special" crap
> either. REALL food. We only have Christmas once a year, so enjoy
> it, but HEY!!!!! Let's be careful out there. To All T1's, T2's,
> AND any other "T's" that're about :-)
Hey Beav,
What kind of Christmas pudding are you having tomorrow?
Beavis
Thanks for that Dave, and I hope you have a very festive festive
board too. And a good new year.
Beav, (Off to wrap up the last of the wife's pressies:-)
Beavis
"Big Nascar Fan" <nas...@bigger.com> wrote in message
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Don't tell anyone Nas, but the missus forgot to buy one and it's
too late to make one (well a GOOD one anyway), so... no pud for
me :-(
Can't understand these shopping wimmin either, she was out buying
at 5:45 this morning and STILL I've got no pud :-))
Beav
Beavis
"Jim Dumas" <j-d...@deSPAMMERmindspring.com> wrote in message
> Beavis wrote:
> >
> > > For the
> > > record, I'm divorced after 9 years with no kids and am
> > > quite straight.
> >
> > I'm not after 26 years, with just the one child (didn't want
to
> > have anymore considering I'm diabetic) and am also
straight(ish)
>
> I'll pull a Beav here:
>
> So you're not straight after 26 years?
ESPECIALLY after 26 years. I'm bent almost double most mornings
and some afternoons, but I get by. In pain, but I get by.
I can live with that.
I actually doubt that you could.
> (Obviously, I'm interested in the child, how old and no DM?)
25 no DM, but the risk is somewhat higher then for a child with
non diabetic parents, so it was decided. Snip.
>
> > Jim, that much, along with your classic denial, is patently
> > abvious.
>
> Beav, I suffered denial in the first 3 years of DM. Then you
adapt to your
> new lifestyle and accept it.
With some people Jim, denial lasts MUCH longer than 3 years. With
my neighbour (a 25 year old lass) it lasted right up until she
was called into the doctors because her eye photo's showed that
she already needed laser treatment for retinopathy. She's been
diabetic for approximately 8 years, but she decided from the
beginning to carry on as she always had, eating the same things
and loading up with insulin. She doesn't do it now though. For my
cousin it was slightly less at 7 years. Diabetes killed him stone
dead with total kidney failure, but not before he'd been blind
for 3 years. Perhaps now you can see why I see food as the first
line of defence?
>
> My last job was a very fast paced field sales engineering
position for a
> software house, (5 sales engineers got laid-off on the east
coast last
> month, I was one, but the money was too good to ignore,
commission structure
> that tripled income in 7 months).
I was in sales for 16 years Jim and I retired at 38 years of age.
I'm not rolling in cash, but I'll never have to work again, so I
know fast paced competitive selling.
So I was always on the road and eating at
> strange times, often skipping meals to make the next
appointment to give a
> dog-and-pony-show.
I can't argue with that. I know it's the truth for a salesman.
I couldn't live this hectic life with your Mid-Evil type
> 1 advice.
That's Medieval btw, but if you really WANTED to, you could.
A dynamic MDI therapy, as presented by the Howorka FIT text, is
> the minimum requirement here.
I wonder how people managed BEFORE this "minimum requirement"
could be met then?
I can't stop the bus because I must follow
> Beav's rules.
You misunderstand. They're not MY rules, they're just GOOD rules
and excuses don't cut the mustard. I can go 24 hours without
eating if I want and I rarely eat more than a slice of bread
between the hours of 10 at night and 5:00pm the next day and I
don't sit around on my arse all day doing nothing. I spend hours
each day in my workshop restoring classic cars, and I'm on my own
for the most part so I can't risk going hypo while I'm under a
1.5ton Jag XK-140. However, if you want to make excuses, that's
up to you.
I must blend-in and appear normal so that the team can depend
> on me.
You're trying to make out that selling is different to other
jobs. I never found that to be the case apart from the fact that
if you're no good at it, you don't earn good money.
>
> There are a multitude of ways to skin the DM cat. You have a
method that
> works fine for you but is too restrictive for me. My method
requires too
> much training to dose dynamically on the fly for a Big Mac with
fries or a
> Kentucky Fried or a garbage pizza, depending on what is
available before the
> next appointment. This dynamic method works fine for me, but
would be too
> complex for most.
Again, you're making MDI appear to be "elitist" where "only the
clever and brave shall go" when it's no more difficult to
understand, master and use than any other regime. It's just "A.N
Other" regime, nothing more and nothing less. I've used the MDI
approach since the day I walked out of the hospital, but I
approach the food side with as much thought as the insulin dose
side and that's where we differ.
The point here is one size will never fit all in this
> type 1 group.
Absolutely it won't, but I don't think I actually said it would,
or does.
>
> In short, my lifestyle demands that I carry on as before, (like
a normal),
> and your therapeutic methods admit defeat.
Defeat?? How many T1 diabetics do YOU know that can eat or not
eat as they desire and who don't have any complications AT ALL?
If that's defeat, give me a bucketful more. I'll even have YOUR
share.
If the difference between our
> methods is simply mild background retinopathy in 15 years of
DM, then I'll
> continue to march with my methods.
It's this "mild" word I can't believe you're using. What's MILD
about your retina showing signs of failing?
I accept this risk-reward therapeutic
> strategy but will not impose my methods on others as a panacea
for type 1s.
>
> Sorry to differ, but you'll survive,
You've got THAT right. And I'll survive with good eyes too. I
wish I could say the same for you, but I just don't see it
happening in the long haul.
Beav
Big Nascar Fan
> > What kind of Christmas pudding are you having tomorrow?
>
> Don't tell anyone Nas, but the missus forgot to buy one and it's
> too late to make one (well a GOOD one anyway), so... no pud for
> me :-(
>
> Can't understand these shopping wimmin either, she was out buying
> at 5:45 this morning and STILL I've got no pud :-))
Say Beav,
Since you're still in the "HOLIDAY" stage of marriage-This is
an opportunity!
Beavis
So far it's been a 26 year holiday Nas and I'm knackered :-)
Beav
Jim Dumas
I think this is where we left off before Christmas when I shutdown my
machines and took off.
Beavis wrote:
>
> > (Obviously, I'm interested in the child, how old and no DM?)
>
> 25 no DM, but the risk is somewhat higher then for a child with
> non diabetic parents, so it was decided. Snip.
Understood. I think it's 1 in 18 become DM if the father is DM. But with
all the genetic engineering and in vitro these days, you could probably
prevent DM by picking the correct fertilized eggs.
> >
> > > Jim, that much, along with your classic denial, is patently
> > > abvious.
> >
> > Beav, I suffered denial in the first 3 years of DM. Then you
> adapt to your
> > new lifestyle and accept it.
>
> With some people Jim, denial lasts MUCH longer than 3 years. With
> my neighbour (a 25 year old lass) it lasted right up until she
> was called into the doctors because her eye photo's showed that
> she already needed laser treatment for retinopathy. She's been
> diabetic for approximately 8 years, but she decided from the
> beginning to carry on as she always had, eating the same things
> and loading up with insulin. She doesn't do it now though. For my
> cousin it was slightly less at 7 years. Diabetes killed him stone
> dead with total kidney failure, but not before he'd been blind
> for 3 years. Perhaps now you can see why I see food as the first
> line of defence?
I could turn this around and state you're in denial as well. It is
difficult to prove that you aren't. It's a red herring and waste of
bandwidth. I do see why you believe diet is the key to DM management, if
you are told not to change your insulin dosages by your MD. But I choose to
vary my insulin dosages to match the meal carbohydrate requirements. This
is the most physiological method and permits me to carry-on as before in the
most flexible mannor. I now do as I please and DM must follow. I control
the demon and have reclaimed my life. So there is no going back for me. I
accept the risk for the freedom. In short, the hormone should change and
the meal should be normal. But this takes a lot of work. The side effect
is it's easier to be spontaneous, as in a major workout anytime the spirit
moves: no planning required.
> I couldn't live this hectic life with your Mid-Evil type
> > 1 advice.
>
> That's Medieval btw, but if you really WANTED to, you could.
I meant evil and old simultaneously. So the correct spelling was wrong for
my message to be conveyed correctly. For me, I must go backwards to use
diet as the major defense against DM.
ASIDE: When I visit my mother, as in this Christmas, she asks "What are you
allowed to eat? Can you eat this-and-that?" I respond "I can eat anything
you can eat." This makes life easy. She does not have to do anything
special for me. I make adjustments in my insulin dosages to compensate for
her lifestyle/foods she wants. (Her maiden name is Hanks, very old crest in
the UK, arrived in the New World about 1653, but she over-cooks food in the
classic UK fashion. So it explodes in the bloodstream with hyperglycemia.
I must take another R dose at bedtime to bring BG to normal by breakfast.)
> A dynamic MDI therapy, as presented by the Howorka FIT text, is
> > the minimum requirement here.
>
> I wonder how people managed BEFORE this "minimum requirement"
> could be met then?
But you use MDI, if I'm not mistaken. So what's the beef? The next step is
changing your dosage in the MDI regimen to match your carbos.
>
> I can't stop the bus because I must follow
> > Beav's rules.
>
> You misunderstand. They're not MY rules, they're just GOOD rules
> and excuses don't cut the mustard. I can go 24 hours without
> eating if I want and I rarely eat more than a slice of bread
> between the hours of 10 at night and 5:00pm the next day and I
> don't sit around on my arse all day doing nothing. I spend hours
> each day in my workshop restoring classic cars, and I'm on my own
> for the most part so I can't risk going hypo while I'm under a
> 1.5ton Jag XK-140. However, if you want to make excuses, that's
> up to you.
What excuses? I've never made an excuse about my DM management. I go 24
hours without eating solids as well. My basal insulin requirements are set
correctly for fasting without hypoglycemia too. But the 10 pm to 5 pm next
day fast suggests you have a single large dinner meal regularly. I
typically take two meals a day when inactive and three meals a day when
active. It's important to keep the bowels moving and one meal a day may not
be enough for this.
> I must blend-in and appear normal so that the team can depend
> > on me.
>
> You're trying to make out that selling is different to other
> jobs. I never found that to be the case apart from the fact that
> if you're no good at it, you don't earn good money.
The commissions are still coming in. I even hit the top tier in the
commission structure. So this makes me think the company is in major
financial trouble. The CEO, of this privately held corporation, must have
issued orders to cut the last hired without regard to performance, since all
5 had been hired within the last year. Moreover, the COO and CFO quit in
August. This is a major red flag, but the money was too good to jump ship
with them. In retrospect, the CEO wanted to have an IPO (filed then
withdrew an S-1) and bailout with a bundle. He couldn't do it in this
market so it was time to cut expenses. He'll have to wait for the next high
tech investment bubble on Wall Street.
> > There are a multitude of ways to skin the DM cat. You have a
> method that
> > works fine for you but is too restrictive for me. My method
> requires too
> > much training to dose dynamically on the fly for a Big Mac with
> fries or a
> > Kentucky Fried or a garbage pizza, depending on what is
> available before the
> > next appointment. This dynamic method works fine for me, but
> would be too
> > complex for most.
>
> Again, you're making MDI appear to be "elitist" where "only the
> clever and brave shall go" when it's no more difficult to
> understand, master and use than any other regime. It's just "A.N
> Other" regime, nothing more and nothing less. I've used the MDI
> approach since the day I walked out of the hospital, but I
> approach the food side with as much thought as the insulin dose
> side and that's where we differ.
I look at the food and estimate the insulin requirements from the
carbohydrate content. Then dose. So I think about the food just as much as
you do (maybe more if your diet never changes). If that's elitist, sorry.
But it's clearly physiological to match dose with carbs ingested. Dynamic
dosing MDI is more difficult (changing food and insulin dose), than static
dosing MDI (changing food to match static dose). There is higher risk of
overdosing with the dynamic MDI, so it clearly is only for the brave.
You're out to lunch on this issue.
> The point here is one size will never fit all in this
> > type 1 group.
>
> Absolutely it won't, but I don't think I actually said it would,
> or does.
> >
> > In short, my lifestyle demands that I carry on as before, (like
> a normal),
> > and your therapeutic methods admit defeat.
>
> Defeat?? How many T1 diabetics do YOU know that can eat or not
> eat as they desire and who don't have any complications AT ALL?
> If that's defeat, give me a bucketful more. I'll even have YOUR
> share.
Yes, defeat. Your diet is too meager for normal nutrition requirements. A
bucketful of nothing is still nothing.
> If the difference between our
> > methods is simply mild background retinopathy in 15 years of
> DM, then I'll
> > continue to march with my methods.
>
> It's this "mild" word I can't believe you're using. What's MILD
> about your retina showing signs of failing?
Your compulsive fixation on mild is interesting:
Mild is non-proliferative retinopathy in early stages. Background
retinopathy is the ETDRS (Early Treatment Diabetic Retinopathy Study)
terminology and is defined as non-proliferative retinopathy. The MD said I
had some mild background retinopathy at the wide angles, so not in the
central vision area of the retina. Mild was his terminology.
> I accept this risk-reward therapeutic
> > strategy but will not impose my methods on others as a panacea
> for type 1s.
> >
> > Sorry to differ, but you'll survive,
>
> You've got THAT right. And I'll survive with good eyes too. I
> wish I could say the same for you, but I just don't see it
> happening in the long haul.
How do you know my eyes will not survive the long haul? What controlled
study are you using to make these predictions? Give me a reference for your
predictions of background retinopathy time course progression to
proliferative retinopathy. I'd like to see it in print in a peer reviewed
medical journal. In short, there are too many variables you have no
knowledge of, or control over, to make such a broad statement.
So give me a reference that provides DM blindness timetables,
--
Jim Dumas, j-d...@mindspring.com (remove deSPAMMER)
Type 1 since 1986, MILD retinopathy, rarely HG: <1/mo.,
willbill
> So give me a reference that provides DM blindness timetables,
see:
http://diabetes-in-america.s-3.com/
<<"Diabetes in America", 2nd Edition, is a 733-page
compilation and assessment of epidemiologic, public
health, and clinical data on diabetes and its
complications in the United States. It was published
by the National Diabetes Data Group of the
National Institute of Diabetes and Digestive
and Kidney Diseases, National Institutes of Health,
Bethesda, MD. The book contains 36 chapters
organized in five areas>>
you can download the whole thing. i suggest
you start with contents.htm if all you've got
is a modem connection
bill t1 since '57
p.s.
it's heavy reading. "heavy" as in
both very serious stuff and/or taking
a 1-2-punch in the gut from a top
heavy-weight fighter
Marilyn "McView"
Jim Dumas <j-d...@deSPAMMERmindspring.com> wrote in message
<snip>
> I meant evil and old simultaneously. So the correct spelling was wrong
for
> my message to be conveyed correctly. For me, I must go backwards to use
> diet as the major defense against DM.
Jim,
Fancy running into you here <g>
You're sounding like a pumper. The way I look at it is that IF a person is
comfortable and capable of following a strict diet then that is what they
should do. If not then they should take the correct amount of insulin to
cover what it is that they have to eat. Either is better than eating
whatever it is they have to eat and NOT taking the proper amount of insulin
to cover it.
Some people thrive on routines, others on sponteniety. As long as the
results are the same (good A1c) then how you got there should not matter.
Besides, you and Beav are, imho, funny. Beav tends to think he is better
off than you when he hasn't been with the dm dragon for as long as you.
Truth is, neither one of you KNOW what will come up tomorrow or the next
year.
FWIW, I didn't have a single complication until I went over the 20 year
mark. And, I probably had a lousey childhood average bG. Docs thought I
wouldn't live to see th 20 year mark. It's in the genes.
Carry on with the bickering...
--
Marilyn
Type 1, 35 years, pumping for the last 13
Beavis
"Marilyn "McView"" <mcv...@home.com> wrote in message
news:PMvY7.59442$va.31...@news2.rdc1.mi.home.com...
I don't think a year or so makes that much difference Marilyn, or
are will we be down to counting minutes soon?
As for a "strict diet", I have more freedom to choose when and
what I eat than any simgle diabetic I've ever known.
> Truth is, neither one of you KNOW what will come up tomorrow or
the next
> year.
But some of us have a better idea.
>
> FWIW, I didn't have a single complication until I went over the
20 year
> mark. And, I probably had a lousey childhood average bG. Docs
thought I
> wouldn't live to see th 20 year mark. It's in the genes.
>
> Carry on with the bickering...
Not a chance. Dumbass is is being totally ignored by me, which
strangely, is exactly what I'm doing with you from now on.
Beav
Jim Dumas
>
> Jim,
>
> Fancy running into you here <g>
>
> You're sounding like a pumper. The way I look at it is that IF a person is
> comfortable and capable of following a strict diet then that is what they
> should do. If not then they should take the correct amount of insulin to
> cover what it is that they have to eat. Either is better than eating
> whatever it is they have to eat and NOT taking the proper amount of insulin
> to cover it.
>
> Some people thrive on routines, others on sponteniety. As long as the
> results are the same (good A1c) then how you got there should not matter.
>
> Besides, you and Beav are, imho, funny. Beav tends to think he is better
> off than you when he hasn't been with the dm dragon for as long as you.
> Truth is, neither one of you KNOW what will come up tomorrow or the next
> year.
>
> FWIW, I didn't have a single complication until I went over the 20 year
> mark. And, I probably had a lousey childhood average bG. Docs thought I
> wouldn't live to see th 20 year mark. It's in the genes.
>
> Carry on with the bickering...
Thank you Madame M,
It's nice to see you again as well. It's also nice to know that I haven't
lost my ability to clobber turkeys too. The rough-and-tumble CompuServe DM
forum under Groves was a great training ground. If you could clobber Groves
and not get L-flagged, (locked-out), you were quite an expert.
But agreed, genetics plays the dominant role in complications, thanks,
--
Jim Dumas, j-d...@mindspring.com (remove deSPAMMER)
T1 4/86, Beavis: MILD bgnd retinopathy, rarely HG: <1/mo.
Beavis
"Jim Dumas" <j-d...@deSPAMMERmindspring.com> wrote in message
Groves was and probably still is, a mard-arse wuss. He didn't
last 5 minutes on this here NG, before he ran away crying like a
baby. Crying about the "treatment" he got because he didn't get
the backup he wanted for that numbnuts Justin bloke who killed a
pedestrian coz he couldn't think two minutes ahead.
Thank the patron saint of diabetics that Groves blew it big style
with that particular "cause"
Beav
Marilyn "McView"
Jim Dumas <j-d...@deSPAMMERmindspring.com> wrote in message
> Thank you Madame M,
>
> It's nice to see you again as well. It's also nice to know that I haven't
> lost my ability to clobber turkeys too. The rough-and-tumble CompuServe
DM
> forum under Groves was a great training ground. If you could clobber
Groves
> and not get L-flagged, (locked-out), you were quite an expert.
>
> But agreed, genetics plays the dominant role in complications, thanks,
Jim,
But you never really clobbered Beavis. He just bounces back. His purpose
in this newsgroup is to be the best darn diabetic with the lowest A1c whilst
his neighbors and relatives fall like flies. I honestly cannot keep up with
what he writes. One day he posts that he eats restricts his diet to next to
nothing, the next he is eating whatever he may want. I think the package
reads something to the effect of "take with a grain of salt".
There is nothing like a good debate :) Too bad that the wiz had to resort
to tactics that got him removed from CS.
Madame M.
Marilyn "McView"
Beavis <beavis....@ntlwoxoorld.com> wrote in message
news:JGJY7.31462$Zg2.3...@news11-gui.server.ntli.net...
> > Truth is, neither one of you KNOW what will come up tomorrow or
> the next
> > year.
>
> But some of us have a better idea.
Sure. People with an A1c close to or in the normal range has a lower risk
of developing complications. However, this same group of people has a
higher risk of having severe hypoglycemia. There are no guarantees. You're
in denial if you think there is.
I fail to see where you think you are better off than Jim since you both
have excellant A1cs.
> > Carry on with the bickering...
>
> Not a chance. Dumbass is is being totally ignored by me, which
> strangely, is exactly what I'm doing with you from now on.
Promises promises. <g>
--
Marilyn
Jim Dumas
>
> Groves was and probably still is, a mard-arse wuss. He didn't
> last 5 minutes on this here NG, before he ran away crying like a
> baby. Crying about the "treatment" he got because he didn't get
> the backup he wanted for that numbnuts Justin bloke who killed a
> pedestrian coz he couldn't think two minutes ahead.
>
> Thank the patron saint of diabetics that Groves blew it big style
> with that particular "cause"
Dear Butthead, (I get the two characters mixed up.)
You just didn't give it enough time. You don't seem to understand that you
and Groves come from the same mold. You could be twins.
Just think of it: Beavis and Groves instead of Butthead and Beavis,
Ozgirl
Jim Dumas
>
> Why was it resurrected after all this time.
Sorry Ozgirl,
I can't tell when Beav is ready for a truce. So I take the preemptive
approach then apologize if I'm wrong. But testosterone is a powerful thing
and I usually never have to apologize. If you could broker a truce, I would
abide by it.
Beav got suckered in and I just couldn't resist the thrill,
Jim Dumas
>
> Jim,
>
> But you never really clobbered Beavis. He just bounces back. His purpose
> in this newsgroup is to be the best darn diabetic with the lowest A1c whilst
> his neighbors and relatives fall like flies. I honestly cannot keep up with
> what he writes. One day he posts that he eats restricts his diet to next to
> nothing, the next he is eating whatever he may want. I think the package
> reads something to the effect of "take with a grain of salt".
>
> There is nothing like a good debate :) Too bad that the wiz had to resort
> to tactics that got him removed from CS.
Hi Madame M!
I've also noticed the Man is squirrelly. It could be because he has this
subconscious desire to carry on as before and eat as he pleases. The Bloke
needs to see a CDE shrink to unravel these deep-seated irregularities for his
good mental health. The days he posts he doesn't eat much are the guilt-days
that follow his binge-days. This syndrome was first dx'd in 1938 by Dr
Joslin in Boston and is called "The DM Mechanic's Denial Syndrome." This
syndrome is quite peculiar as it only happens to HG Jag mechanics who have
clobbered themselves up-side the head with a wrench one too many times, (Jags
are always in the shop you see). So there is some degree of brain damage
along with this psychological difficulty.
In any case, the Man needs help, put him in the psycho ward ASAP,
--
Jim Dumas, j-d...@mindspring.com (remove deSPAMMER)
T1 4/86, Beavis: MILD bgnd retinopathy, rarely HG: <1/mo.
lispro+R+U+NPH daily, moderate exercise, <6% HbA1c typ.
(dgg is consumed by his web site and still trying to get the paperwork for
importation of beef insulin into the U.S. simplified for the common man.)
Doug Bailey
<j-d...@deSPAMMERmindspring.com> wrote:
[all snipped]
Now how the heck did you leak out of my killfile, Jim? <PLONK>
Jim Dumas
What a lovely day,
Beavis
"Jim Dumas" <j-d...@deSPAMMERmindspring.com> wrote in message
> Marilyn \"McView\" wrote:
>>
> In any case, the Man needs help, put him in the psycho ward
ASAP,
Say the two on here with retinopathy. I rest my case
Jim Dumas
>
> > In any case, the Man needs help, put him in the psycho ward
> ASAP,
>
> Say the two on here with retinopathy. I rest my case
Dear Butthead, (I miss that TV program: "Beavis and Butthead.")
I suspect there is too much lateral thinking in my last post for you to
effectively process in your hypoglycemic state. Take a week or two to think
about it.
I can wait, cheers,