i just noticed
Serve Laurijssen
the overwhelming presence of Microsoft here. I thought this was a java group
and not an MS group.... Let me give some subject lines to show what I mean.
"Oracle, sun grind MS into Java"
"Bill gates, I want to control he internet"
"Busted: Microsoft lies about the internet"
"Gates: I am OK with opensource"
"Hey look, MS has their own JCP"
"IE6 copies features from Microsoft"
"My view on Microsoft"
I can go on and on.....why do you think everybody does this. I mean, I'm
interested in reading up a bit on Java and all (well, 70%) I see is .net, VB
and visual C++!?!?
Tom Owles
"Serve Laurijssen" <c...@circe.demon.nl> wrote in message
news:993221447.3449....@news.demon.nl...
> I have been reading this group for a few weeks now, and what strikes me is
> the overwhelming presence of Microsoft here.
You're not the first one to notice this strange phenomenon ;)
> I thought this was a java group
> and not an MS group
:)
> I can go on and on.....why do you think everybody does this.
It's called FUD. Various (numerous!) M$ fudmeisters do this. I won't name
names, but... they say they do it out of their own beliefs, their oponents
say that they are on M$ payrole. The truth is - like always - out there! ;)
> I mean, I'm
> interested in reading up a bit on Java and all (well, 70%) I see is .net,
VB
> and visual C++!?!?
Apply some Anti-M$ Usenet filter! :))))
Java Fan -2 + -2
<c...@circe.demon.nl> wrote:
>I have been reading this group for a few weeks now, and what strikes me is
>the overwhelming presence of Microsoft here. I thought this was a java group
>and not an MS group....
Java advocacy == Bash Microsoft
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"Serve Laurijssen" <c...@circe.demon.nl> wrote in message
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<snip>
>
> I can go on and on.....why do you think everybody does this. I mean, I'm
> interested in reading up a bit on Java and all (well, 70%) I see is .net,
VB
> and visual C++!?!?
>
>
That's the competition. Isn't this relevant to the merits of Java?
anonc...@my-deja.com
> On Fri, 22 Jun 2001 16:51:05 +0200, "Serve Laurijssen"
> <c...@circe.demon.nl> wrote:
>
> >I have been reading this group for a few weeks now, and what strikes me is
> >the overwhelming presence of Microsoft here. I thought this was a java group
> >and not an MS group....
>
> Java advocacy == Bash Microsoft
Then why isn't everybody in nt.advocacy and dotnet.general?
What are you doing here Jenny-Poo?
Jason Kratz
"Java Fan -2 + -2" <no...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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Serve Laurijssen
I kinda like the flame wars here though :-)
Jan Bösenberg
> I kinda like the flame wars here though :-)
Well I like them, too. And then again they are sometimes completely moronic.
And I like watching the different characters.
Roedy - a very sane attitude, always coming up with some intersting,
sometimes puzzeling thoughts
Anoncoward - totally pro Java
Anothercoward - a new character (replaced whom?) using every opportunity to
bash Java
Jason Kraz - Quite sane guy on the Java side
Java Fan 2 + 2 - Probably making money with bashing Java
JDK - Professional Java basher, had a very short comeback recently, was the
favorite of all in this group
Sean O'Duchachedda (or similar) - Not sure what happened to him, was very
pro Microsoft, maybe employed there
petilion - Java advocat
Steve - Loves Java, too. Doesn't seem to be in love with Microsoft
Especially the noncoward and his fellow coward have become quite vocal
recently. Hey, isn't this group especially made for FUD? But you are right,
sometimes the posts are a bit too much off topic.
Please complete and comment the list above ;-)
--
Jan
Tejina - Das einzigartige japanische Zeichenlexikon (www.tejina.de)
Microsoft fan 2+2
> Roedy - a very sane attitude, always coming up with some intersting,
> sometimes puzzeling thoughts
> Anoncoward - totally pro Java
> Anothercoward - a new character (replaced whom?) using every opportunity to
> bash Java
> Jason Kraz - Quite sane guy on the Java side
> Java Fan 2 + 2 - Probably making money with bashing Java
> JDK - Professional Java basher, had a very short comeback recently, was the
> favorite of all in this group
> Sean O'Duchachedda (or similar) - Not sure what happened to him, was very
> pro Microsoft, maybe employed there
> petilion - Java advocat
> Steve - Loves Java, too. Doesn't seem to be in love with Microsoft
> Please complete and comment the list above ;-)
"Ermine Todd^3" - paid Microsoft FUDster and frantic backpedaller
when caught in yet another lie.
Simon Cook - made a charge of pedophilia right here on this Java BB
John Lockwood - innocent victim of an implication of pedophilia
right here on this Java BB
Jen/Nej/JennyPoo/noone@nowhere - unpaid Microsoft FUDster
passions can sometime run high here!
Chris Kelly
fan 2+2) wrote:
>"Ermine Todd^3" - paid Microsoft FUDster and frantic backpedaller
> when caught in yet another lie.
>
>Simon Cook - made a charge of pedophilia right here on this Java BB
Microsoft fan 2+2/(fake) JTK_Gary_van_Sickle: emotional age of 5.
Posts from (reform school? grade school?) in Rancho Cordova, CA.
Should be sued by John Hoagland, JTK, Simon Cooke, and Ermine Todd
III.
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Chris Kelly
<jan.boe...@incors.com> wrote:
>Roedy - a very sane attitude, always coming up with some intersting,
>sometimes puzzeling thoughts
>Anoncoward - totally pro Java
>Anothercoward - a new character (replaced whom?) using every opportunity to
>bash Java
>Jason Kraz - Quite sane guy on the Java side
>Java Fan 2 + 2 - Probably making money with bashing Java
>JDK - Professional Java basher, had a very short comeback recently, was the
>favorite of all in this group
>Sean O'Duchachedda (or similar) - Not sure what happened to him, was very
>pro Microsoft, maybe employed there
>petilion - Java advocat
>Steve - Loves Java, too. Doesn't seem to be in love with Microsoft
Well, it's nice to know that most Java bashers are, according to you,
doing it for money. I'm sure most Java advocates (like, say, Petilon)
are just doing it because Java good, MS bad. I mean, how could any
sane person not being paid to do it say anything bad about
Java/Sun/UNIX?
Jan Bösenberg
> doing it for money. I'm sure most Java advocates (like, say, Petilon)
> are just doing it because Java good, MS bad. I mean, how could any
> sane person not being paid to do it say anything bad about
> Java/Sun/UNIX?
Well, that was just my personal impression. It's hard for me to see another
reason why some people would spend that much time to bash Java just for fun.
As I said, just MHO.
Chris Kelly
<jan.boe...@incors.com> wrote:
>Well, that was just my personal impression. It's hard for me to see another
>reason why some people would spend that much time to bash Java just for fun.
>As I said, just MHO.
People do all sorts of strange things, mostly for a combination of
reasons. Some people, for instance, might go to
http://www.pro-democracy.com/ for fun, some for money, some for a
photo op with the now slim Reverend Al Sharpton (live from Rikers) or
Arianna Huffington, some because they believe in it, some because
*they don't belive in it*, some because they want to meet some easy
liberal chicks.
IOW, the assertion that people only do things for fun or money reveals
a limited view of things.
Jan Bösenberg
> IOW, the assertion that people only do things for fun or money reveals
> a limited view of things.
>
Thanks for sharing your great insight.
Java Fan -2 + -2
<jan.boe...@incors.com> wrote:
>> Well, it's nice to know that most Java bashers are, according to you,
>> doing it for money. I'm sure most Java advocates (like, say, Petilon)
>> are just doing it because Java good, MS bad. I mean, how could any
>> sane person not being paid to do it say anything bad about
>> Java/Sun/UNIX?
>
>Well, that was just my personal impression. It's hard for me to see another
>reason why some people would spend that much time to bash Java just for fun.
But you *can* see why some people would spend that much time to bash
Microsoft just for fun??
Jan Bösenberg
> Microsoft just for fun??
Well the people who bash Microsoft aren't only bashing Microsoft, they also
praise Java. And the people who are bashing Java aren't only bashing Java,
they also praise Microsoft.
The point is that this is a Java-newsgroup, right? People who work with java
participate in this newsgroup anyways to gather information on the
programming language they are working with. The thing I just don't
understand is why should someone who just doen't like Java at all read a
Java-newsgroup. Why does he/she spend so much time on reading a
Java-newsgroup and posting to it? Isn't that just a total waste of time?
The same question would apply on a newsgroup called comp.microsoft.advocacy.
Why should Java-programmers spend long hours on participation in that
newgroup?
Maybe my thinking is a bit too rational.
Jonathan Revusky
> I have been reading this group for a few weeks now, and what strikes me is
>
> "My view on Microsoft"
>
> and visual C++!?!?
Hmm, I think that if you observe this ng more carefully, you'll
eventually come to the conclusion that the main reason things are so
dominated by this kind of stuff is because there are anonymous shills
who basically set the agenda.
They post this incredibly repetitious, bad-faithed drivel and all the
java advocates -- instead of taking the *only* (IMO) reasonable tack
and killfiling them all -- they fall over themselves to refute,
typically for the nth time, whatever piece of drivel it is.
The most notorious of these anonymous jerks was this JTK character,
whose real name, it turned out, is Gary Van Sickle. The guy posted the
same repetitive drivel pretty intensively for over 2 years (a lot of
people figured it had to be the guy's job) and most of the activity on
the ng centered around responding to whatever crap he came up with.
These anon jerks aren't really that many distinct people either. It
was
demonstrated that some of these jerks were the same people posting
under multiple fake identities -- there was a Jerry Coffey who later
morphed into Sean O'Donnchadha, whose real name is Jerry Shekhel. That
guy was incredible, some kind of pathological liar. There was some
lawyer (!) from Arlington Virginia who graced our presence by the name
of John Hoagland -- except that he started off as Jerry Sams, came
back as Jack Richards and was, until recently, posting under the nick
"2+2".
Anyway, the real reason that this group is so dominated by this crap
AFAICS is that it is subject to some kind of disruption campaign. I
don't consider the kind of pro-MS trolls you observe here to be
garden-variety trolls. Ordinary trolls would just post some
provocative stuff, get their jollies, and move on. Now, I'm not saying
I understand this phenomenon completely, but there really is a
persistence to these guys that would make anybody wonder what is
behind all of this...
Hope that's food for thought...
Jonathan Revusky
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Jonathan Revusky
> "Serve Laurijssen" <c...@circe.demon.nl> wrote in message
> news:993221447.3449....@news.demon.nl...
> > I have been reading this group for a few weeks now, and what strikes me is
> > the overwhelming presence of Microsoft here.
>
> You're not the first one to notice this strange phenomenon ;)
>
> > I thought this was a java group
> > and not an MS group
>
> :)
>
> > I can go on and on.....why do you think everybody does this.
>
> It's called FUD. Various (numerous!) M$ fudmeisters do this.
I wouldn't say they're necessarily that numerous. They post under
multiple fake identities to disorient you in that regard.
Dave
>
>Maybe my thinking is a bit too rational.
Too rational for Jen and some others, maybe. I've made the same point here a
couple of times before. I've never understood why MS advocates spend so much
time in a Java newsgroup defending the monopoly every day (as if it needs their
help or something). I just figure that they are either afraid of competing
technologies or they just don't have anything better to do. You see similar
behavior on stock message boards like RagingBull, where the same people are
there every day, bashing the same (often worthless) stock.
With regard to Java advocates in comp.microsoft.advocacy, I wouldn't even know
if there are any (are there?). Since I don't especially care for or about MS, I
just never consider going there.
Dave
Jan Bösenberg
know
> if there are any (are there?). Since I don't especially care for or about
MS, I
> just never consider going there.
I just checked. The newsgroup doesn't exist, my guessing was wrong. So where
do the Java-advocates want to go today? ;-)
Dave
>
>I just checked. The newsgroup doesn't exist, my guessing was wrong. So where
>do the Java-advocates want to go today? ;-)
I just looked at comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy and comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,
and I see lots of names of pro-MSers that have posted here.
Java Fan -2 + -2
wrote:
>They post this incredibly repetitious, bad-faithed drivel and all the
>java advocates -- instead of taking the *only* (IMO) reasonable tack
>and killfiling them all -- they fall over themselves to refute,
>typically for the nth time, whatever piece of drivel it is.
Some of those Java advocates really do post the most inane drivel
about Microsoft, don't they?
BTW, if your'e a fan of Delphi you surely must love C#.... after all,
it's the next generation language from the same designed.
Java Fan -2 + -2
petilon
>
> BTW, if your'e a fan of Delphi you surely must love C#.... after all,
Nonsense. Pascal was designed by Wirth. Hejlsberg is an IDE maker.
He makes great IDEs, but sucks at language design.
JTK
says...
>
>I have been reading this group for a few weeks now, and what strikes me is
>the overwhelming presence of Microsoft here. I thought this was a java group
>and not an MS group.... Let me give some subject lines to show what I mean.
>
>"Oracle, sun grind MS into Java"
>"Bill gates, I want to control he internet"
>"Busted: Microsoft lies about the internet"
>"Gates: I am OK with opensource"
>"Hey look, MS has their own JCP"
>"IE6 copies features from Microsoft"
>"My view on Microsoft"
>
>I can go on and on.....why do you think everybody does this.
Because there is nothing Java to talk about. Haven't you read the business
section lately? Sun Microsystem's stock is plunging to earth so fast it could
cause another mass extinction when they finally go out of business. Why?:
1. The Java Hype Machine has burned itself out. That's all Sun's been running
on for the about the last six years.
2. Everybody knows that Microsoft is slowly but surely going to eat Sun's
lunch, and Sun will all but hand it to them.
The Sun Worshippers, deep down under several crusty layers of atrophied grey
matter, know this, and so all they can do is blather on about "Micro$oft $ucks"
and "I hate Bill Gate$". It's sad really. Well, it's pretty funny too, but in
a sad sort of way.
> I mean, I'm
>interested in reading up a bit on Java and all (well, 70%) I see is .net, VB
>and visual C++!?!?
Well, what does that tell you? It tells me that even the Javapologists are more
interested in .NET, VB, and C++ than they are in Java. And if even the
true-believers find Java that uninteresting...
--
Gary Van Sickle, AKA "JTK" (the real one, not the pathetic imposter)
"My great concern is not whether you have failed, but whether you are content
with your failure." - Abraham Lincoln
John Lockwood
<jan.boe...@incors.com> wrote:
>> But you *can* see why some people would spend that much time to bash
>> Microsoft just for fun??
>
>Well the people who bash Microsoft aren't only bashing Microsoft, they also
>praise Java. And the people who are bashing Java aren't only bashing Java,
>they also praise Microsoft.
>
>The point is that this is a Java-newsgroup, right?
Not especially. comp.lang.java.programmer is a Java newsgroup. This
beastie here is more of a flame-war magnet.
>
>Maybe my thinking is a bit too rational.
No one who posts here is thinking rationally, _qua_ posting here. But
you may have good moments elsewhere.
John
John Lockwood
<petilonS...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
Hint: Delphi is an IDE.
John
Jonathan Revusky
> On 23 Jun 2001 15:10:20 -0700, jrev...@terra.es (Jonathan Revusky)
> wrote:
>
> >They post this incredibly repetitious, bad-faithed drivel and all the
> >java advocates -- instead of taking the *only* (IMO) reasonable tack
> >and killfiling them all -- they fall over themselves to refute,
> >typically for the nth time, whatever piece of drivel it is.
>
> Some of those Java advocates really do post the most inane drivel
> about Microsoft, don't they?
>
> BTW, if your'e a fan of Delphi you surely must love C#.... after all,
> it's the next generation language from the same designed.
Actually, C# has very little relationship to Delphi language-wise.
Delphi is an extended, object-oriented pascal that is statically
compiled/linked. Where .net may base itself on Delphi ideas (though
I'm not sure) is probably in the class libraries. I wouldn't be
surprised if WinForms was very largely based on VCL (the class library
that is part of Delphi.)
But anyway, I think you've stepped in it, Mr. anonymous shill. The
language that C# most resembles is Java. How can you maintain that C#
is so good and Java is so bad when they are so similar? I mean, you
and your cohorts have been here for 3+ years arguing that a
virtual-machine-based language has to be dog slow because it's
interpreted and so on and so forth. Why is that not also the case for
C#? C# must also suck because it's based on a virtual machine,
right???
The absolute lack of good faith is pretty clear....
Oh, and in case you really are wondering.... my impression from
initial reading is that C# is actually a pretty nice language to write
in. I'm just not terribly interested because I do not want to target
MS platforms solely. I would rather write cross-platform code. Even
Delphi now has a linux version.
Jonathan Revusky
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>
> ______________________________________________________________________
William Brogden
JTK wrote:
>
.............snip
> 1. The Java Hype Machine has burned itself out. That's all Sun's been running
> on for the about the last six years.
Gee, I was under the impression that Sun sold hardware that ran
multiple languages, databases, etc etc.
> 2. Everybody knows that Microsoft is slowly but surely going to eat Sun's
> lunch, and Sun will all but hand it to them.
So Microsoft is getting into the server business now?
WBB
Charles Lyttle
So, is C# a language or an IDE?
If it is an IDE, what languages does it work with and who designed them?
--
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Ayende Rahien
"Jonathan Revusky" <jrev...@terra.es> wrote in message
news:5d083b27.01062...@posting.google.com...
> But anyway, I think you've stepped in it, Mr. anonymous shill. The
> language that C# most resembles is Java. How can you maintain that C#
> is so good and Java is so bad when they are so similar? I mean, you
> and your cohorts have been here for 3+ years arguing that a
> virtual-machine-based language has to be dog slow because it's
> interpreted and so on and so forth. Why is that not also the case for
> C#? C# must also suck because it's based on a virtual machine,
> right???
As a note, C#, and all of .NET language, don't run in a virtual machine.
They are compiled to MSIL, (a higher level of compile then Java Byte Code),
and then compiled to native code.
petilon
>
> So, is C# a language or an IDE?
> If it is an IDE, what languages does it work with and who designed them?
>
C# is a poorly designed language with a hodgepodge of features, but
it has a great IDE.
The IDE was designed by an IDE maker, Anders Hejlsberg. The language
was also designed by the same IDE maker.
Jonathan Revusky
> news:5d083b27.01062...@posting.google.com...
>
> > right???
>
Java is ultimately compiled to native code as well. There is
just-in-time compilation. I imagine .net uses the same idea because it
is based on the idea of dynamically loading code off the net, isn't
it?
I think my point stands. The java bashers bash whatever given aspect
of Java -- look at garbage collection as another case in point -- and
then if a Microsoft technology introduces the same feature, then it's
something wonderful.
Java Fan -2 + -2
<petilonS...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
>In article <3B35EDAF...@earthlink.net>, Charles says...
>>
>> So, is C# a language or an IDE?
>> If it is an IDE, what languages does it work with and who designed them?
>>
>
>C# is a poorly designed language with a hodgepodge of features
In your opinion of course. And anyone who follows this group knows
youre just an anti-microsoft ranter, so there you go.
Ok, petty-lon, list 5 ways C# is "poorly designed". Let the world see
your petty-ness.
Java Fan -2 + -2
wrote:
>Actually, C# has very little relationship to Delphi language-wise.
I love how you people twist my words all the time. I didn't say they
are alike. I said C# is a next generation language from the same guy.
Get it??
>But anyway, I think you've stepped in it, Mr. anonymous shill. The
>language that C# most resembles is Java. How can you maintain that C#
>is so good and Java is so bad when they are so similar? I mean, you
>and your cohorts have been here for 3+ years arguing that a
>virtual-machine-based language has to be dog slow because it's
>interpreted and so on and so forth. Why is that not also the case for
>C#? C# must also suck because it's based on a virtual machine,
>right???
Twist twist twist... or is that lie lie lie? The day Swing runs at a
decent speed on a mid to low end machine is the day I'll stop
complaining about it. And will also be the day that *maybe*
mainstream desktop apps. start getting written in Java/Swing.
I have *never* said that Java, in general and or/totally, sucks. I
*have* said Java sucks at client applications. I have also blasted
the hype and vapor-ness of things like Jini. And the hyprocrisy of
people complaining about Microsoft not innovating while at the same
time ignoring things like Sun being at least a year behind Microsoft
in web services or next-gen web page technology (ie. ASP.Net vs.
Faces).
As for Java and C# being alike.... no shit Sherlock. You just proved
the point that all the idiots like Petilon that say C# is junk are
hyprocrites. They can't have it both ways either.
Oh, and C#-based GUIs ain't "dog slow" like Swing based GUIs are. So
there's a difference right there.
>Oh, and in case you really are wondering.... my impression from
>initial reading is that C# is actually a pretty nice language to write
>in. I'm just not terribly interested because I do not want to target
>MS platforms solely. I would rather write cross-platform code. Even
>Delphi now has a linux version.
So "cross platform" now means "Windows and Linux"? Ok.
So you'll admit that C# is a great way to write Windoze-only code.
That's a start. Perhaps you'll argue with petty-lon too because he
thinks you're totally wrong.
Java Fan -2 + -2
wrote:
>I think my point stands. The java bashers bash whatever given aspect
>of Java -- look at garbage collection as another case in point -- and
>then if a Microsoft technology introduces the same feature, then it's
>something wonderful.
There you go again. When the microsoft bashers do the same thing, you
say nothing. Again, the word for the day is: "hyprocrisy".
I, for one, have never bashed GC. I don't know about others. I'm
*sure* JTK has.
Java Fan -2 + -2
wrote:
>So Microsoft is getting into the server business now?
I guess you haven't noticed that M$'s server market share is
increasing?
Ayende Rahien
"petilon" <petilonS...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote in message
news:9h524...@drn.newsguy.com...
> In article <3B35EDAF...@earthlink.net>, Charles says...
> >
> > So, is C# a language or an IDE?
> > If it is an IDE, what languages does it work with and who designed them?
> >
>
> C# is a poorly designed language with a hodgepodge of features, but
> it has a great IDE.
Care to detial why you thikn it's a poorly designed language?
> The IDE was designed by an IDE maker, Anders Hejlsberg. The language
> was also designed by the same IDE maker.
No, the IDE for C# (well, the MS one, there are a lot of other ones) is
Visual Studio.NET
It got a major overhaul, I understand, but I didn't hear that Anders did it.
Beside even the current VS is a wonderful. I understand that VJ++ was one of
the best Java IDEs at its prime.
William Brogden
Java Fan -2 + -2 wrote:
>
> On Sun, 24 Jun 2001 08:18:30 -0500, William Brogden <wbro...@bga.com>
> wrote:
>
> >So Microsoft is getting into the server business now?
>
> I guess you haven't noticed that M$'s server market share is
> increasing?
Hardware? What server hardware does MS sell?
Java Fan -2 + -2
<petilonS...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
>In article <rgiajt0b4ogclmisc...@4ax.com>, Java says...
>>
>> BTW, if your'e a fan of Delphi you surely must love C#.... after all,
>> it's the next generation language from the same designer.
>
>Nonsense. Pascal was designed by Wirth.
We're not talking about Pascal, we're talking about Delphi. People
don't say "OH, I *love* Pascal!", they say "OH, I *love* Delphi!".
So you lose.
Jim Sculley
>
> On 24 Jun 2001 03:42:02 -0700, jrev...@terra.es (Jonathan Revusky)
> wrote:
>
> >Actually, C# has very little relationship to Delphi language-wise.
>
> I love how you people twist my words all the time. I didn't say they
> are alike. I said C# is a next generation language from the same guy.
> Get it??
Wow. You can't even quote yourself properly, no wonder you have so much
trouble with what others have said, or, in most instances, not said.
Jim S.
Ayende Rahien
"William Brogden" <wbro...@bga.com> wrote in message
news:3B36374A...@bga.com...
>
>
> Java Fan -2 + -2 wrote:
> >
> > On Sun, 24 Jun 2001 08:18:30 -0500, William Brogden <wbro...@bga.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >So Microsoft is getting into the server business now?
> >
> > I guess you haven't noticed that M$'s server market share is
> > increasing?
>
> Hardware?
Software, their 2000 product line has a good precentage of the server
market.
> What server hardware does MS sell?
No server hardware, but the damn best mices, keyboard & joysticks that you
are likely to encounter.
petilon
> >
> > C# is a poorly designed language with a hodgepodge of features, but
> > it has a great IDE.
>
>
It's been discussed here before. If you weren't here at the time go
to groups.google.com and do a search. I can't repeat everything here,
but I produced a small snippet of C# code and asked the question:
What is the maximim number of possible subroutine invocations in
that snippet? Nobody could answer, which means that the language is
a poorly designed, overly complex beast. That's what happens when
IDE designers are asked to design programming languages. Not everyone
can design languages. You have to *want* to design a language. Hejlsberg
didn't *want* to design a language -- he was asked to, by Bill Gates,
because Gates wanted something to compete against Java.
> > The IDE was designed by an IDE maker, Anders Hejlsberg. The language
> > was also designed by the same IDE maker.
>
> No, the IDE for C# (well, the MS one, there are a lot of other ones) is
> Visual Studio.NET
Hejlsberg may not have written the code, but he did the design all
right -- while he was at Borland. MS just copied his design.
Java Fan -2 + -2
<petilonS...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
>Hejlsberg may not have written the code, but he did the design all
>right -- while he was at Borland. MS just copied his design.
Um, VB was released years before Delphi. But don't let facts get in
your way.
Uwe Plonus
> We're not talking about Pascal, we're talking about Delphi. People
> don't say "OH, I *love* Pascal!", they say "OH, I *love* Delphi!".
>
> So you lose.
All others are talking about programming languages.
You're talking about IDEs.
I really think this is a big difference.
Uwe
Uwe Plonus
> No server hardware, but the damn best mices, keyboard & joysticks that you
> are likely to encounter.
Well, in the future I will maintain my webserver with a joystick. :)
Uwe
Ayende Rahien
"Uwe Plonus" <U.Pl...@deutschepost.de> wrote in message
news:3B36E529...@deutschepost.de...
Not too strange, mind you.
You can compile the Linux kernel via a Wolfenstien 3D game.
Jonathan Revusky
> On 24 Jun 2001 03:42:02 -0700, jrev...@terra.es (Jonathan Revusky)
> wrote:
>
> >Actually, C# has very little relationship to Delphi language-wise.
>
> I love how you people twist my words all the time. I didn't say they
> are alike.
You said that specifically that if I liked Delphi, I should also like
C#. If that is not to be construed that the two things are similar,
then what is?
Duhhhh.
Of course, this is just typical shill/fudster behavior. You never
admit you were wrong and it's always that somebody else was twisting
what you said.
> I said C# is a next generation language from the same guy.
> Get it??
>
> >But anyway, I think you've stepped in it, Mr. anonymous shill. The
> >language that C# most resembles is Java. How can you maintain that C#
> >is so good and Java is so bad when they are so similar? I mean, you
> >and your cohorts have been here for 3+ years arguing that a
> >virtual-machine-based language has to be dog slow because it's
> >interpreted and so on and so forth. Why is that not also the case for
> >C#? C# must also suck because it's based on a virtual machine,
> >right???
>
> Twist twist twist... or is that lie lie lie?
I really don't like being called a liar by an anonymous rat, when I am
forthright about who I am. Furthermore, not only are you a liar, but
you are a professional liar.
> The day Swing runs at a
> decent speed on a mid to low end machine is the day I'll stop
> complaining about it.
We weren't talking about Swing. Swing is a specific java library that,
yes, has had performance issues. (It does run pretty well on any
reasonably recent machine.) OTOH, other graphical stuff on top of Java
can be quite fast. If Swing is slow, then it's slow because it's slow,
not because it's runs on top of a virtual machine with garbage
collection.
You and your ilk have been around here for years arguing that Java
must necessarily be slow because it is VM-based and has garbage
collection. If that was true, then C# must necessarily be slow as
well.
Has nothing to do with Swing. You're twisting around the whole
argument. We were not specifically talking about Swing. But I guess
that bringing up swing is in your "playbook".
And will also be the day that *maybe*
> mainstream desktop apps. start getting written in Java/Swing.
>
> I have *never* said that Java, in general and or/totally, sucks.
Well, I don't really care what you say, since nothing you say is said
in good faith anyway. Furthermore, I see no reason to keep track of
all the fake identities you use to have any notion of what you've said
or not.
Though that said, if it does become apparent to me who you are in real
life, I will disclose it. I do not think you and the other dipshits
have any right to disrupt an internet newsgroups (even if it has
advocacy in the name) with this kind of relentless bad-faithed
provocation done anonymously.
Jonathan Revusky
--
Though you see me replying to one of these anonymous jerks in the
above, as a matter of policy, I think it is a mistake to do so.
They are not here in good faith and, as such, it is a waste of time to
engage them in discussion.
Jason Kratz
your way either.
"Java Fan -2 + -2" <no...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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Jason Kratz
>
>
> No server hardware, but the damn best mices, keyboard & joysticks that you
> are likely to encounter.
>
Always preferred Logitech myself.
Jason Kratz
"JTK" <hgkk...@sdhkfsdhh.com> wrote in message
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> In article <993221447.3449....@news.demon.nl>, Serve
Laurijssen
> says...
> >
> >I have been reading this group for a few weeks now, and what strikes me
is
> >the overwhelming presence of Microsoft here. I thought this was a java
group
> >and not an MS group.... Let me give some subject lines to show what I
mean.
> >
> >"Oracle, sun grind MS into Java"
> >"Bill gates, I want to control he internet"
> >"Busted: Microsoft lies about the internet"
> >"Gates: I am OK with opensource"
> >"Hey look, MS has their own JCP"
> >"IE6 copies features from Microsoft"
> >"My view on Microsoft"
> >
> >I can go on and on.....why do you think everybody does this.
>
> Because there is nothing Java to talk about. Haven't you read the
business
> section lately? Sun Microsystem's stock is plunging to earth so fast it
could
> cause another mass extinction when they finally go out of business. Why?:
>
> 1. The Java Hype Machine has burned itself out. That's all Sun's been
running
> on for the about the last six years.
> lunch, and Sun will all but hand it to them.
>
Tsk tsk tsk. JTK you surely can't be as dumb as you look making the above
statements. Sun is a hardware company (who also happens to be producing
Java). Sun makes the great majority of their money selling server hardware.
Would it not make sense that, in an economy that is having less than stellar
performance in the tech sector, that Sun might not sell as many servers and
thus not be doing quite as well as before? Nah....you'd never admit that
was the true case.
> The Sun Worshippers, deep down under several crusty layers of atrophied
grey
> matter, know this, and so all they can do is blather on about "Micro$oft
$ucks"
> and "I hate Bill Gate$". It's sad really. Well, it's pretty funny too,
but in
> a sad sort of way.
>
I'm still curious who the 'Sun Worshippers' are in this newsgroup.
Charles Lyttle
Notice the tag team tactic? Try to comment on the language and they'll
talk respond about the IDE. Try to talk about the IDE and they will
respond about the Language. Anyway, whatever you think about Hejlsberg
the IDE maker, he is a good language designer. C# makes all its goals :
look like Java without violating the court order and tie everything to
MS specific platforms. That is not trivial.
--
Russ Lyttle
<http://home.earthlink.net/~lyttlec>
lyt...@earthlink.net
Sreenivas Reddy
"Jonathan Revusky" <jrev...@terra.es> wrote in message
news:5d083b27.01062...@posting.google.com...
> "Ayende Rahien" <do...@spam.me> wrote in message
news:<9h4t3c$gf5$1...@taliesin.netcom.net.uk>...
>
> > "Jonathan Revusky" <jrev...@terra.es> wrote in message
>
> > news:5d083b27.01062...@posting.google.com...
>
> >
>
>
> >
>
>
> just-in-time compilation. I imagine .net uses the same idea because it
> is based on the idea of dynamically loading code off the net, isn't
> it?
>
> I think my point stands. The java bashers bash whatever given aspect
> of Java -- look at garbage collection as another case in point -- and
> then if a Microsoft technology introduces the same feature, then it's
> something wonderful.
>
> Jonathan Revusky
I think just-in-time is the default way of running in C#, but if I am not
mistaken, you can install compiled (machine code) applications.
Sreeni
C. Middleton
that the java bashers on this news group must be paid
shills. Only an idiot would shill for free.
Java Fan -2 + -2
wrote:
>I agree with the majority of posters to this thread
>that the java bashers on this news group must be paid
>shills. Only an idiot would shill for free.
And the Microsoft bashers do it all for free? Hmm, who are the bigger
idiots, those who get paid or those who do it for free?
anonc...@my-deja.com
> On 27 Jun 2001 10:54:07 -0700, cmid...@my-deja.com (C. Middleton)
> wrote:
>
> >I agree with the majority of posters to this thread
> >that the java bashers on this news group must be paid
> >shills. Only an idiot would shill for free.
>
> And the Microsoft bashers do it all for free? Hmm, who are the bigger
> idiots, those who get paid or those who do it for free?
So, Jenny Poo - are you a bigger idiot or just the smaller variety?
C. Middleton
> And the Microsoft bashers do it all for free? Hmm, who are the bigger
> idiots, those who get paid or those who do it for free?
With all due respect, I am merely suggesting that the
unrelenting java bashers on *this* NG must have an
ulterior motive. There are hundreds if not thousands of
pro-MS NGs where posters can engage in mutual masterbation
while oohing and aahing over the merits of their favorite
MS product.
The Ghost In The Machine
<no...@nowhere.com>
wrote
on 22 Jun 2001 16:09:50 +0100
<htn6jt0qmvn0a066u...@4ax.com>:
>On Fri, 22 Jun 2001 16:51:05 +0200, "Serve Laurijssen"
><c...@circe.demon.nl> wrote:
>
>>I have been reading this group for a few weeks now, and what strikes me is
>>the overwhelming presence of Microsoft here. I thought this was a java group
>>and not an MS group....
>
In some cases.
However, one must also note that, if there's a software application
that requires certain properties (in the case of Java, it's
WORA, but there are also advantages to be gained by not having
to worry about GC and various enabling technologies such as EJB
and XML) then one at least wants to consider Java, versus C++,
C#, Tcl/TK, and Perl.
Pesonally, I'd like to see one environment that can run *any* of
these. (Actually, Unix can, but I'd also like to have loadable
modules as well, sort of like Tcl/Tk -- Java can do this, but the other
module has to be Java, at least until other things like GCJ
come out and allow compilation of other languages into the JVM.)
Or one can use a looser integration with sockets.
Java facilitates many levels: direct call, dynamic (virtual) call,
call by non-constant name (Method.invoke()). Java also has direct
class access and class access by non-constant name (Class.forName()),
and various ways of setting up class loaders. (The default method
is to use a pathname constructed from the package name, but
this can be overloaded.)
I'm not up on C#, but C++ has some limitations that limit its usefulness.
Java can send bytecode easily to a browser; C++ would most likely
require a "fat" multicode binary or the ability for a browser to
compile on the fly the C++ code directly into the native executable.
Both approaches have problems.
Of course, I use a browser only as an example; a browser, after all,
is merely a communications terminus using the HTTP/HTTPS protocol
to display HTML-formatted text. In a more logical world, one might
contemplate a far more structured approach, which would be far
more precisely specified (as an example, what happens if one enters
<A HREF="blahblah>" by mistake? Or <P><I>blurp</P></I>?)
I'll admit that I like the XHTML approach, but I don't like
XML because of the redundancy. Of course, I'm weird anyway;
I'd be happy with LISP-style S-expressions:
(HTML (HEAD (TITLE "This is silly") (LINK (REL "stylesheet")
(TYPE "text/css") (HREF "main.css"))) (BODY (H1 "Hello World!")
(P "This is an example of a web-page that is specified in LISP-style
S-expressions.") (P "I type this because I'm a little strange!")) )
because they're easy to parse. :-) Of course, it's not clear whether
the above would be the "right" way of doing this -- one issue for
instance is whether the pages should be a fixed size, such as
612 points x 792 points -- or whether the pages can be any size at
all, depending on the presenter. HTML prefers the latter (there's
no <PAGE> tag, for example), but a lot of websites try to manage
the size of the page and botch up the display if the user sets his
browser to have fonts that are too large.
But I digress.
I like Java the language, although I find it a little slow for my liking.
But that's already improved quite a bit, and presumably things such
as Hotspot will take care of the worst bits. Besides, there's always
JNI for those things that are performance-critical.
I love the extreme simplicity of setting up small threaded servers:
class A implements Runnable
{
private Socket my_s;
public A(Socket s) { my_s = s; }
public void run()
{
try
{
InputStream is = my_s.getInputStream();
OutputStream os = my_s.getInputStream();
/* ... */
}
catch (...)
{
}
}
};
public class B
{
public static void main(String args[])
{
ServerSocket ss(9999);
while(Socket s = ss.accept())
{
A a = new A(s);
Thread t = new Thread(a);
t.start();
}
}
}
and there you are. Scaling this up is a bit problematical, unfortunately.
(Apologies for any goofs; I'm doing this from memory.)
It gets even better when one throws the 'synchronized' keyword
into the mix -- now one can not only have subthreads, but they can
communicate. I'd be surprised if C# didn't have a similar keyword.
In C++, one would have to do some ugly things with mutexes, but it
could be done -- just not as elegantly.
[.sigsnip]
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This is a voluntary signature virus. Send this to somebody.
The Ghost In The Machine
<do...@spam.me>
wrote
on Sun, 24 Jun 2001 22:22:21 +0200
<9h5f3t$b3l$1...@taliesin.netcom.net.uk>:
>
>"William Brogden" <wbro...@bga.com> wrote in message
>news:3B36374A...@bga.com...
>>
>>
>> Java Fan -2 + -2 wrote:
>> >
>> > On Sun, 24 Jun 2001 08:18:30 -0500, William Brogden <wbro...@bga.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > >So Microsoft is getting into the server business now?
>> >
>> > I guess you haven't noticed that M$'s server market share is
>> > increasing?
>>
>> Hardware?
>
>Software, their 2000 product line has a good precentage of the server
>market.
And has a slim majority in the secure server market, as I understand it,
which is a small but growing part of the entire HTTP server market.
(Secure, in ths case, means SSL-aware. People can do dumb things even
with HTTPS. :-) And there are those who claim MS has some security
problems -- e.g., the Red Worm infecting IIS. Personally, I'd like
to see some validation of Microsoft's SSL majority.)
>
>> What server hardware does MS sell?
>
>No server hardware, but the damn best mices, keyboard & joysticks that you
>are likely to encounter.
But what about the software? :-)
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The Internet routes around censorship.
JTK
[snip]
> --
> ew...@aimnet.com -- insert random misquote here
> EAC code #191 19d:15h:03m actually running Linux.
??? Only 19 *days* of uptime on you Linux box? Ouch. I can get that
on Why2K even when I'm debugging kernel mode drivers! I probably could
even get that out of WhyME if I didn't breathe on it too hard!
The Ghost In The Machine
<nob...@nowhere.com>
wrote
on Tue, 31 Jul 2001 21:16:01 -0500
<3B676661...@nowhere.com>:
The last reboot was because of a faulty SyJet cartridge or unit
(I'm not quite sure which).
Bear in mind this is a Java advocacy group. :-)
(As for Win2k, I suspect it can stay up indefinitely. It
strikes me as far more robust than NT4, although it still
has some minor memory leaks. And it can run Java just fine,
if one can put up with the UI inconsistencies. :-) )
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EAC code #191 20d:04h:20m actually running Linux.
I am, you are, he, she, and it is, but they're not.
Jason Kratz
in this newsgroup):
open a command prompt
ping a host
after the first ping do F7 then enter over and over again rapidly until your
machine crashes.
"The Ghost In The Machine" <ew...@lexideb.athghost7038suus.net> wrote in
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Anothercoward
"Jason Kratz" <e...@joes.com> wrote in message
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> Want to crash your NT 4 and/or 2k box very easily? Do this (saw this
posted
> in this newsgroup):
>
> open a command prompt
> ping a host
> after the first ping do F7 then enter over and over again rapidly until
your
> machine crashes.
>
I better stop using W2k now. Its never crashed on me and I might need to
press F7 and enter over and over while pinging.
;-)
Tim Tyler
: Want to crash your NT 4 and/or 2k box very easily? Do this (saw this posted
: in this newsgroup):
: open a command prompt
: ping a host
: after the first ping do F7 then enter over and over again rapidly until your
: machine crashes.
I wonder if that sequence of actions be simulated by a user-mode program.
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Jason Kratz
"Anothercoward" <nob...@nothing.com> wrote in message
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You seem to miss the point of the exercise. While Win2k is generally pretty
stable its very disturbing (to me at least) that the OS can be crashed by
something as trivial as the above example. You dont find that kind of
scary?
anothercoward
"Jason Kratz" <e...@joes.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Anothercoward" <nob...@nothing.com> wrote in message
> news:QYfa7.229114$4m4.5...@amsnews03.chello.com...
> >
<snip> >
> > > open a command prompt
> > > ping a host
> > > after the first ping do F7 then enter over and over again rapidly
until
> > your
> > > machine crashes.
> > >
> >
> > I better stop using W2k now. Its never crashed on me and I might need to
> > press F7 and enter over and over while pinging.
> >
> > ;-)
>
>
> You seem to miss the point of the exercise. While Win2k is generally
pretty
> stable its very disturbing (to me at least) that the OS can be crashed by
> something as trivial as the above example. You dont find that kind of
> scary?
>
Scary as in FUD? No.
I would worried if it crashed with anything I could possibly or need to
actually do. BTW it doesn't.
JTK
>
[snip]
> >??? Only 19 *days* of uptime on you Linux box? Ouch. I can get that
> >on Why2K even when I'm debugging kernel mode drivers! I probably could
> >even get that out of WhyME if I didn't breathe on it too hard!
>
> The last reboot was because of a faulty SyJet cartridge or unit
> (I'm not quite sure which).
>
What's a SyJet?
> Bear in mind this is a Java advocacy group. :-)
>
Hehhee, since when?
Jason Kratz
"anothercoward" <nob...@nothingnospam.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> "Jason Kratz" <e...@joes.com> wrote in message
> news:9kc9vv$p3h$1...@flood.xnet.com...
> >
> > "Anothercoward" <nob...@nothing.com> wrote in message
> > news:QYfa7.229114$4m4.5...@amsnews03.chello.com...
> > >
> <snip> >
> > > > open a command prompt
> > > > ping a host
> > > > after the first ping do F7 then enter over and over again rapidly
> until
> > > your
> > > > machine crashes.
> > > >
> > >
> > > I better stop using W2k now. Its never crashed on me and I might need
to
> > > press F7 and enter over and over while pinging.
> > >
> > > ;-)
> >
> >
> > You seem to miss the point of the exercise. While Win2k is generally
> pretty
> > stable its very disturbing (to me at least) that the OS can be crashed
by
> > something as trivial as the above example. You dont find that kind of
> > scary?
> >
>
> Scary as in FUD? No.
>
Where does FUD come in?
> I would worried if it crashed with anything I could possibly or need to
> actually do. BTW it doesn't.
>
The fact that you dont mind that there is a trivial way to crash an OS lots
of people are saying is more stable than Unix speaks volumes. At any rate
I've had 2k crash on me before. doesnt happen often but it does happen.
ET
behavior. Suggest you check your FUD at the door before reposting false
statements.
--ET--
Good sense is seldom common!
"Jason Kratz" <e...@joes.com> wrote in message
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ET
behavior. Suggest you check your FUD at the door before reposting false
statements.
--ET--
Good sense is seldom common!
"Jason Kratz" <e...@joes.com> wrote in message
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Jason Kratz
that in your pipe and smoke it.
"ET" <et...@msn.com> wrote in message
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Jason Kratz
else* did it. I also find it amusing that you talk to me about posting
false statements. pot. kettle. black.
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Jason Kratz
rebooted itself.
"ET" <et...@msn.com> wrote in message
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Javier Keller
You still don't believe it?
Tim Tyler
: Have you tried it?
Yes.
: I have - on several systems and did NOT see this behavior.
Perhaps you should re-read the instructions. It's really quite
simple. The whole procedure takes about five seconds.
The shutdown is sudden and immediate - so exercise caution with respect to
the possibility of disc writes occurring as the shut-down occurs.
: Suggest you check your FUD at the door before reposting false statements.
Suggest *you* check your statements on the net before drawing an incorrect
conclusion from your own failed experiments.
JTK/Gary Van Sickle
> on Why2K even when I'm debugging kernel mode drivers! I probably could
> even get that out of WhyME if I didn't breathe on it too hard!
I am so sorry for all my bragging and swaggering.
I have never debugged a kernel driver.
I mean, who would give me the source code for one thing?
I would like you to think I know how to code. Please forgive me.
Also I apologize to anyone injured by the Braemar Inc heart monitor
which I worked on. The FDA issued a recall order on it when we
realized
they do not actually work as intended.
http://www.fda.gov/bbs/topics/ENFORCE/ENF00562.html
PRODUCT
Braemar Arrhythmia Event Monitors, Models ER710 and ER720,
patient-activated ambulatory event monitors used to record infrequent
and
elusive heart arrhythmias. Recall #Z-116/117-9.
CODE
Serial numbers between 1000001 and 1000146.
MANUFACTURER
Braemar, Inc., Burnsville, Minnesota.
RECALLED BY
Manufacturer, by "Braemar Product Tech Tip" dated August 5, 1998.
Firm-initiated recall complete.
DISTRIBUTION
California, Georgia, Illinois, Missouri, New Jersey, South Carolina,
Virginia, Washington state, Argentina, Belgium, Israel.
I throw myself on the mercy of your forgiveness
Gary
Greg Chien
"JTK/Gary Van Sickle" <jtk_gary...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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[snip]
REASON
A component (capacitor) in the LCD circuitry was installed with the
incorrect polarity. This could cause intermittent dark stripes on the
liquid crystal display (LCD) or, if the capacitor fails, cause a
permanently blank display.
JTK
>
> Interestingly, you've left out the REASON, Fake.
>
> A component (capacitor) in the LCD circuitry was installed with the
> incorrect polarity. This could cause intermittent dark stripes on the
> liquid crystal display (LCD) or, if the capacitor fails, cause a
> permanently blank display.
Thanks Greg. Yeah, I sure hope nobody was "injured" by those stripes on
the LCD.
I've forwarded Mr. van der Linden's I mean the imposter's post to
Braemar's legal department, my own legal counsel, and am preparing to
subpoena Google for all records pertaining to Peter's I mean the
imposter's illegal use of my name.
He seems to want his day in court badly. He shall get it.
anoncoward
> I <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> > ??? Only 19 *days* of uptime on you Linux box? Ouch. I can get that
> > on Why2K even when I'm debugging kernel mode drivers! I probably could
> > even get that out of WhyME if I didn't breathe on it too hard!
>
> I am so sorry for all my bragging and swaggering.
> I have never debugged a kernel driver.
> I mean, who would give me the source code for one thing?
> I would like you to think I know how to code. Please forgive me.
>
>
> Also I apologize to anyone injured by the Braemar Inc heart monitor
> which I worked on.
on", shame.
[truthful recall notice snipped]
Now this fiasco is going to be hilarious...
Gary R. Van Sickle (not to be confused with Gary Van Sickle),
Which law are you going to "press charges" under?
http://pigseye.revisor.leg.state.mn.us:8181/SEARCH/BASIS/mnstat/public/www/DDW?W%3DTEXT+PH+IS+%27identity+theft%27+ORDER+BY+SORT_KEY/Ascend%26M%3D1%26K%3D609.527%26R%3DY%26U%3D1
What if the poster isn't in the good 'ole US of A?
What a piece of work JTK is, lying, insulting and maligning for years
and he has the audacity to threaten legal action! What a hypocrit!
John Lockwood
towards you growing with each day you're away. Come to me, my little
bubulla, and we will make passionate flames under the Internet tree.
On 3 Aug 2001 07:55:49 -0700, jtk_gary...@yahoo.com (JTK/Gary
AJ
>Want to crash your NT 4 and/or 2k box very easily? Do this (saw this posted
>in this newsgroup):
>
>open a command prompt
>ping a host
>after the first ping do F7 then enter over and over again rapidly until your
>machine crashes.
>
[snip]
Guess what works too... yank the computer's plug from the wall socket
(if you have a UPS you milage my vary).
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AJ
>Want to crash your NT 4 and/or 2k box very easily? Do this (saw this posted
>in this newsgroup):
>
>open a command prompt
>ping a host
>after the first ping do F7 then enter over and over again rapidly until your
>machine crashes.
>
You know what will do it too... pull the computer's plug from the
wall socket!!
of course if you have a UPS your milage may vary.
The Ghost In The Machine
<3B69AECF...@nowhere.com>:
>The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
>>
>> In comp.lang.java.advocacy, JTK
>
>[snip]
>
>> >??? Only 19 *days* of uptime on you Linux box? Ouch. I can get that
>> >on Why2K even when I'm debugging kernel mode drivers! I probably could
>> >even get that out of WhyME if I didn't breathe on it too hard!
>>
>> The last reboot was because of a faulty SyJet cartridge or unit
>> (I'm not quite sure which).
>>
>
>What's a SyJet?
Syquest 1.5Mb 3 1/2" half-height removable hard-platter backup unit.
It gets complicated as Syquest seems to be more or less out of business.
However, I'm not at all sure as to their exact status.
If I get enough money I'll probably have to replace it with a 2Gb
Jaz unit. Tapes have given me nothing but trouble.
At some point I'm going to have to figure out what the Linux kernel
is doing when it encounters a media error; I'm not sure that it
should reset the entire SCSI bus -- at least, not without
trying to sync the other known good drives, first. (Fodder for
another NG.)
>
>> Bear in mind this is a Java advocacy group. :-)
>>
>
>Hehhee, since when?
Well, there is that...I've seen more discussion about C# than
Java lately. :-)
--
ew...@aimnet.com -- insert random misquote here
EAC code #191 25d:11h:14m actually running Linux.
Be paranoid. Everyone else is.
Frank McGrath
> On Thu, 2 Aug 2001 10:40:23 -0500, "Jason Kratz" <e...@joes.com> wrote:
>
> >Want to crash your NT 4 and/or 2k box very easily? Do this (saw this
posted
> >in this newsgroup):
> >
> >open a command prompt
> >ping a host
> >after the first ping do F7 then enter over and over again rapidly until
your
> >machine crashes.
> >
I tried this, and can't make it happen. I am running Win2K SP2 - does
anyone know if this has been fixed? I get some kind of perverse amusement
about these kinds of glitches, so I was disappointed not to be able to see
it. On my machine, f7 normally brings up a menu of recent commands. When
ping is running, the menu is delayed until after the ping completes. I
assume that an earlier version had some weird conflict with the two things
at the same time??
JTK/Gary Van Sickle
> He seems to want his day in court badly. He shall get it.
Hello?? Hello??? When *is* that day in court coming, blow-hard?
Has the FDA recalled your subpoena, like they recalled the heart
monitors that your employer (Braemar Inc, MN) makes?
Fact: Gary R. Van Sickle can no longer mislead people about being
black as he tried to make his accusation of racism stick.
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=african+heritage+author:JTK&hl=en&safe=off&rnum=1&selm=8nqhsv%24en0%241%40nnrp1.deja.com
Fact: Gary R. Van Sickle can no longer post from a Braemar
web-server.
He has been given a final warning by management.
If he wasn't doing anything wrong,
why does he have to stop it?
Fact: Gary R. Van Sickle and his little friend Pedo Boy are
as predictable as a Braemar Heart Monitor.
But even less reliable.
Tick, tick, tick, SKIP, tick.
Fact: Gary R. Van Sickle claims to have a college education on
his resume. But which college? What education?
Fact: Gary R. Van Sickle is all washed up, laughed out of lawyers
offices across the state and reduced to yet more windy empty
threats and cheap insults. Hello Gary?? Are you black today?
Blow, blow ye blowhard blow till you blow yourself out.
But don't blow from Braemar, eh Gary?
Gary Z. Van Sickle
--
Braemar electronics, when it absolutely, positively
has to work some of the time.
Hand assembled backwards by a "chief engineer".
Java Fan -2 + -2
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Microsystems whom I broke a few years ago:
http://www.sun.com/950901/tuning/peter.html
Fact: Mr. van der Linden will not have much longer to wait, Gentle Reader.
[snip]
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Gary "JTK" Van Sickle
anonc...@my-deja.com
> Fact: This was posted by one Peter van der Linden
Proof?
We are all ears... or please, do be quiet.