Only top school - RA or not.
EduTEN
That's its R. A - they R.A schools accredit their own institutions.
Just like unrecognized agencies.
Professional accreditation is much better.
The evaluators -- like me are from industry and academia.
This is why regulated professions require
licensing.
Yes, R. A degree holders have access to take state and licensing board exams.
But they can't practice the profession just based on their degree.
And by the way the 100% on line (R.A)degrees in 8 months.
Most traditional schools simply don't take them seriously -- and view them
inferior.
Including Steve's Levicofs - Mickey Mouse doctorate.
When asked faculty of an established traditional university about one of this
on line schools they simply smiled and desmised it as business concession for
$$$.
IF YOU ARE NOT FROM TOP SCHOOL DON"T WASTE OUR TIME.
R.A or N.A
Frida J.D
HULS
Rich Douglas
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> Simply to establish a highly profitable monopoly.
> That's its R. A - they R.A schools accredit their own institutions.
> Just like unrecognized agencies.
No, not "just like unrecognized agencies." Regional accreditation is
recognized by employers, governments, and academic institutions around the
world as the standard by which degree granting institutions are recognized
in the U.S.
>
> Professional accreditation is much better.
> The evaluators -- like me are from industry and academia.
Professional accreditation certainly has its role. In many professions, it
is necessary. In others, useful. But in others, irrelevant (to practice).
>
> This is why regulated professions require
> licensing.
Some require degrees from nationally accredited schools (like medicine),
others--like law--almost always do. Still others often do, like nursing.
And still others, like psychology, often do not.
>
> Yes, R. A degree holders have access to take state and licensing board
exams.
> But they can't practice the profession just based on their degree.
Which profession? Some, like psychology, often require field work in
addition to the degree and passing the test. Others, like the law, can
still be accessed in some states without passing the Bar exam. Graduating
from a law school in the state will do.
>
> And by the way the 100% on line (R.A)degrees in 8 months.
> Most traditional schools simply don't take them seriously -- and view them
> inferior.
Which "traditional schools" are those? I don't think you could name a
school that hasn't accepted a graduate from either Excelsior, TESC, or COSC.
As a graduate of Excelsior's predecessor, The USNY, I've seen many such
cases in the alumni newsletter over the past 23 years since my own
graduation.
>
> Including Steve's Levicofs - Mickey Mouse doctorate.
And your doctorate is from where? Oh, I see you don't have one. (A J.D.
doesn't count, as you must certainly know. It is just an advanced
bachelor's degree. But where is yours from?)
By the way, it is spelled "Levicoff." And one uses an apostrophe to create
a possessive nound. (Normally not relevant, but if you're going to
criticize someone's academic accomplishments, you should be able to do so
while demonstrating a reasonable command of the language.)
>
> When asked faculty of an established traditional university about one of
this
> on line schools they simply smiled and desmised it as business concession
for
> $$$.
Please tell us where you heard this. And again, an attorney certainly must
be able to articulate the language better than that. (Again, sorry, but
someone criticizing academics AND claiming a J.D. should be subject to this
level of scrutiny. These kinds of errors lower one's confidence level in
the poster's claims.)
>
> IF YOU ARE NOT FROM TOP SCHOOL DON"T WASTE OUR TIME.
> R.A or N.A
Bull. Just the opposite, in fact. If you are going to one of the thousands
of colleges and universities in the country that no one's ever hear of, be
very sure it has recognized accreditation. This is the only way to ensure
the maximum level of acceptance for your degree. There is a gulf between
accredited schools and unaccredited schools, which are more likely to be
taken as degree mills.
I've done research on this very topic, which formed the basis for my
doctoral dissertation (at the Levicoff Mickey Mouse University, no less).
Where's yours?
>
> Frida J.D
> HULS
Yeah, right. I look forward to learning the source of your degree.
Rich Douglas
EduTEN
>recognized by employers, governments, >and academic institutions around the
>world as the standard by which degree >granting institutions are recognized
>in the U.S.
Well, if you understand English than you
should understand my post.
Yes, R. A schools are recognized but
if they are not TOP 20 or 50 they are
inferior.
In Academia - FOR FACULTY POSITION.
A TOP 20 SCHOOL, Ph.D., WILL HAVE SIGNIFICANT PRIORITY OVER OTHER
R.A Ph.D WHO GRADUATED FROM LOWER TIER UNIVERSITY.
I don't think your degree will qualify you to teach in my university ( I don't
own one :-))
were I attended and earned J.D.
In Industry - please take a look at job application form of top consulting
firms
you will see a question about graduating from top tier school.
Employers will prefer a Yale or Columbia grad over CSU for example.
In our firm we prefer a top tier school graduates. We will review applicants
achievements. Degree is only one very important factor.
My B.A and M.JSc are from Iran and J.D
from Top 10 USA and top in the world
University, were our faculty is mostly from top 20 universities no Mickey Mouse
Doctorates.
Frida J.D
HULS
MarkIsrael
(EduTEN) wrote:
> That's its R. A - they R.A schools accredit their own institutions.
> Just like unrecognized agencies. [...]
> And by the way the 100% on line (R.A)degrees in 8 months.
> Most traditional schools simply don't take them seriously -- and view them
> inferior.
> Including Steve's Levicofs - Mickey Mouse doctorate. [...]
> IF YOU ARE NOT FROM TOP SCHOOL DON"T WASTE OUR TIME.
On May 8, in <20030508074021...@mb-m25.aol.com>, edu...@aol.com
(EduTEN) wrote:
> in my humble opinion RA university will be your best choice.
> I'm not expert on this so
> Johns reply will have a higher value.
> Check Bears Guide
This is rather good evidence that he is trolling us now.
EduTEN
The University must be properly accredited
before additional professional accreditation
is granted.
MY POST IS VALID.
Painful to people who graduated from
lower tier schools and need doctorate
dissertation and research in order to
find acceptability of their degree.
And be very judgmental toward others.
Lower tier R.A school may serve many peoples needs.
But top 20 school -- if one can afford
will serve better. They have better and uptodate equipment, the best
professors.
So my point is N.A - lowest
R.A depends on school tier, name and reputation.
R.A and P.A - depends on discipline.
What I like in Bears guide -- a chapter with grouping of schools based on the
programs they offer.
44RC
Regional Accreditation is exactly that. It is one of the best forms of
accreditation.
Accepted by employers and schools.
I am not sure where Eduten has gathered his facts, however one can
never and I mean never go wrong with Regional Accreditation. The other
option is DETC.
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> Simply to establish a highly profitable
> monopoly. That's its R. A - they R.A
> schools accredit their own institutions.
> Just like unrecognized agencies.
The regional accreditors are associations of schools that agree to
recognize each others credits and degrees in transfer, and have set up a
quality assurance mechanism to help ensure that all members are on the
same page (if not precisely equivalent).
It helps to look at their membership. Every single state university in
the United States is regionally accredited (or a candidate in the case
of several new ones). All of them. Private universities include the "ivy
league", places like MIT and Cal Tech and many more. RA schools produce
the vast majority of the research and win virtually all of the academic
awards.
> Professional accreditation is much
> better.
In some cases it is, in other cases it's irrelevant. But it isn't an
either/or thing. Most departments with specialized accredition exist
within universities with institutional accreditation by a regional
accreditor.
Some 1
> Yes, R. A schools are recognized but
> if they are not TOP 20 or 50 they are
> inferior.
> In Academia - FOR FACULTY
> POSITION.
> A TOP 20 SCHOOL, Ph.D., WILL HAVE
> SIGNIFICANT PRIORITY OVER
> OTHER R.A Ph.D WHO GRADUATED
> FROM LOWER TIER UNIVERSITY.
What is a "top 20 school"?
I think that in most cases, whether in academia or in private industry,
Ph.D.s are hired to fill very specific roles.
They are hired to pursue particular research problems in a biotech
laboratory, perhaps. They are hired by a university to teach particular
courses and to add strength to their department in a particular
specialty.
That means that employers will generally be less interested in "tiers"
than in what an applicant's dissertation subject was, who they studied
with, what they have published and so on.
I think that you will find that most accredited doctoral programs have
particular strengths in something. They are cutting edge in whatever it
is that the people working there are actively researching.
For example, Nova Southeastern is "fourth tier" in USNews' undergraduate
rankings, but they host the congressionally funded National Coral Reef
Institute and have a pretty good reputation in oceanography. If you need
somebody with a specialization in Caribbean coral reef ecology, a NSU
graduate might be a better choice than somebody from Columbia.
> In our firm we prefer a top tier school
> graduates.
That's more important than skill with the English language, apparently.
MarkIsrael
user...@webtv.net (Some 1) writes:
> The regional accreditors are associations of schools that agree to
> recognize each others credits and degrees in transfer
Ha ha. Try to transfer GRE-based credits from Excelsior or Charter
Oak to a random RA school, and see how far you get.
In general, RA schools accept one another's course-based credits,
but they have no formal agreement to do so, and you'll find plenty
of exceptions.
Bakz
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MosheW
She got a job in bilingual school as a first grade Russian/English teacher, she
wanted to accelerate and get the remaining classes at National University, CA
(a class per month).
So instead of 2 semesters it would take 2 months.
After NU evaluation they refused to accept her credits for transfer from CSULB
and wanted her to start all over.
She enrolled in NU Masters program instead.
The LA school district gave her emergency credential just based on her B,A
degree.
National University is Regionally Accredited just like Cal State Long Beach
WASC.
Thomas Nixon
almost amazing. However, teaching credentials are not degrees and they
have different requirements/rules. At most she would have expected to be
able to transfer in 6-9 units. And that would be at most.
Tom Nixon
----
Author, "Bears' Guide to Earning High School Diplomas Nontraditionally"
http://www.tomnixon.net
subman
> MY POST IS VALID.
yaddayaddayadda
> So my point is N.A - lowest
> R.A depends on school tier, name and reputation.
> R.A and P.A - depends on discipline.
EduTEN has a good point. It's a painfully obvious point but a good
one. Here's another one: Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose
(sometimes it rains). Some schools are better than other schools
(according to some people who are measuring some specific criteria)
OK, so where's the big news? Here's another headline for you: some
cars are better than other cars. Another: some people are smarter
than other people. (On and on ad nauseum) Someone said this guy
is a troll. If so, he's not a very good troll. I'd say this guy is a
maroon (pardon the spelling).
Dennis Ruhl
Rich Douglas wrote:
> *
> I've done research on this very topic, which formed the basis for my
> doctoral dissertation (at the Levicoff Mickey Mouse University, no
Rich, when do you get your ears? Still waiting for post 3,000. Hurry
back to degreeinfo, we miss you man.
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EduTEN
education.
The message usually is if the school is
R.A than its fine.
I say that in curent economic times when people have to compete mach harder for
jobs and employers have higher degree requirements for the available jobs its
better to select a good program from a top university.
Were do you think requiters will be looking for new graduate talent?
Specially this days, were will they pitch their tent's during recruitment
events.
The reality is that not all RA schools are equal.
Ask West Coast University graduates about their problems.
West Coast University - RA went out of business and closed its doors in late
90's.
Graduates have problems with their academic records, other schools create
problems with acceptance of students from closed schools such as WCU and etc.
We know that in reality GED is not equal to HSD.
DETC is not equal to RA.
Investing in education from a better school
is not such a bad sugestion.
subman
>
> The reality is that not all RA schools are equal.
>
Not only did we understand this idea the first time you said it, we
understood this idea BEFORE you said it. Everyone already knows that
an MBA from Harvard is more valuable than an MBA from Whatsamatta U.
Some RA schools choose to exceed RA standards. This is their
privilege and it's usually based on their having a whole bunch of
wealthy alumni who contribute money so that the school can create the
best program in the universe. Do you really think you're saying
something new and original?