>SNIP<
> Anyone else experience this? It should have expired Sept 30 as far as
> I knew.
I think Apple extended its offer because of the underwhelming demand.
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:> It's a few days into October and my .Mac email is still usable. I just
:> sent myself an email and sure enough I recieved it a minute later.
:> Anyone else experience this? It should have expired Sept 30 as far as
:> I knew.
You're not paying attention. :-)
Apple announced that they extended the deadline for getting the $49.95
reduced price until mid-October. You've still got time to change your
mind.
= Steve =
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Montgomery, Alabama
Jason
On 10/3/02 2:45 PM, in article 031020021245323784%unix...@linuxmail.org,
"E-Star" <unix...@linuxmail.org> wrote:
--
To respond to me remove the nospam in my address.
Jason Pickard
> I have this feeling that their subscriptions were in the toilet,
They had a news release stating that they had over 180k subscribers
already. It's far from the millions they had when it was free but if
you do the math this service should stick around. If I were Apple
though I would keep the price at $50 next year to avoid loosing
subscribers.
> E-Star <unix...@linuxmail.org> writes:
>
> >SNIP<
> > Anyone else experience this? It should have expired Sept 30 as far as
> > I knew.
>
> I think Apple extended its offer because of the underwhelming demand.
October 14, 2002 is the next deadline.
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> E-Star <unix...@linuxmail.org> writes:
>
> >SNIP<
> > Anyone else experience this? It should have expired Sept 30 as far as
> > I knew.
>
> I think Apple extended its offer because of the underwhelming demand.
Appe did indeed extend the trial period. The new expiration date is
October 14.
--
ComicShop
<alt.nerd.obsessive>
> You've still got time to change your
> mind.
No thanks.
I'd have paid $50.
Heck, I'd have paid $100 if they didn't have a misconfigured SMTP
server.
On the bright side, if it weren't for Apple's screwup, I'd not
have found FastMail, and, well, there's just no comparison.
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Are you posting responses that are easy for others to follow?
http://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/2000/06/14/quoting
> I think Apple extended its offer because of the underwhelming demand.
Maybe it was to give fence-sitters time to play with the new iSync beta
before it all went ker-plooey?
> I'd have paid $50.
>
> Heck, I'd have paid $100 if they didn't have a misconfigured SMTP
> server.
What did they do?
> On the bright side, if it weren't for Apple's screwup, I'd not
> have found FastMail, and, well, there's just no comparison.
fastmail.fm really does look very well thought out. I really do get the
impression that they know what they are doing. (I've got no connection to
fastmail.).
-j
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Relativism is the triumph of authority over truth, convention over justice
I rarely read top-posted, over-quoting or HTML postings.
> On Oct 3, 2002 BreadW...@fractious.net wrote
> in <yobofab...@panix2.panix.com>
>
> > I'd have paid $50.
> >
> > Heck, I'd have paid $100 if they didn't have a misconfigured SMTP
> > server.
>
> What did they do?
Even though they use a proper authenticated SMTP to prevent
spammers from using their server, they also insist that your
From: address be your @mac.com address. Thereby their
marketting deptartment tries to publicly associate a @mac.com
address with you.
They claim that the From: thing is to prevent spam. Obviously,
it's not. It's marketting and nothing more.
> > On the bright side, if it weren't for Apple's screwup, I'd not
> > have found FastMail, and, well, there's just no comparison.
>
> fastmail.fm really does look very well thought out. I really do get the
> impression that they know what they are doing. (I've got no connection to
> fastmail.).
Me, too. There are a couple of things I'd really like to see
added to their webmail interface (ie. view raw message source),
but overall, it's really remarkably good. I even prefer their
webmail to Mail.app (except for the raw-source thing).
ObDisclaimer: I, too, have no connection to them except as
a satisfied user.
Another thing I just noticed on one of Apple's "please sign
up for .mac!" e-mails - they've loaded them up with webbugs -
IMG-tags with ? and UserIDs.
Shame shame on Apple. Very poor taste.
> Another thing I just noticed on one of Apple's "please sign
> up for .mac!" e-mails - they've loaded them up with webbugs -
> IMG-tags with ? and UserIDs.
>
> Shame shame on Apple. Very poor taste.
Another reason I use pine for email.
>> Anyone else experience this? It should have expired Sept 30 as far as
>> I knew.
>
> I think Apple extended its offer because of the underwhelming demand.
I suspect it was rather to give people a chance to try iSync, which they
expected to have out in time, but didn't.
--
Jeremy | jer...@exit109.com
Any bets on them extending again? :)
If they think many of us are joining, they're on .crack :)
> I'd have paid $50.
>
> Heck, I'd have paid $100 if they didn't have a misconfigured SMTP
> server.
>
> On the bright side, if it weren't for Apple's screwup, I'd not
> have found FastMail, and, well, there's just no comparison.
I'll second that. Fastmail completely incredible and should be the
standard by which all wemail is done. Hell, I don 't have use an email
app in order, Fastmail is THAT good.
But we all know the real reason is that they want to suck in as many
people as possible into their scam. Steve obviously can't afford that new
private jet yet.
Apple doesn't think many of the multiple-account-wasting freeloaders
will sign up, no.
However, more than 180,000 Mac users who know a decent value when they
see one have already signed up. For me, the 100 free Kodak prints made
the $50 fee worth it ALL BY ITSELF, and that's not even counting the
free software and web space.
Admittedly I wish Apple would offer some kind of email-only solution for
people who are only interested in email, but if you plan on using more
than just that then .Mac starts to look like a very good value,
particularly for people with fast connections.
--
Cheers,
_Chas_
http://www.apple.com/switch
non-spammers can write to chasm at mac (dot com)
> E-Star <unix...@linuxmail.org> writes:
>
> >SNIP<
> > Anyone else experience this? It should have expired Sept 30 as far as
> > I knew.
>
> I think Apple extended its offer because of the underwhelming demand.
No, that's definitely not it -- 180,000 people has actually EXCEEDED
their expectations. Or at least Phil Schiller's expectations ... he
expected 100,000 to sign up.
> No, that's definitely not it -- 180,000 people has actually EXCEEDED
> their expectations. Or at least Phil Schiller's expectations ... he
> expected 100,000 to sign up.
Is there any source you can point me too that confirms the above? I
didn't know there were any stated projections.
Thanks!
Well, I only had one iTools account, and I used it for email and to host
my homepages. If they can't offer a free or lower cost solution that doesn't
bundle heaps of SHIT I don't need, then they can go eat my .poo :)
But that doesn't apply, unless you live in some country called America, so
what possible use is that?
--
Ian Tindale
> Well, I only had one iTools account, and I used it for email and to host
> my homepages. If they can't offer a free or lower cost solution that doesn't
> bundle heaps of SHIT I don't need, then they can go eat my .poo :)
When the hell are YOU going to offer us free web hosting? We've been
waiting a long time now! Hurry it up you puddle of steaming dog piss! :)
Cheezze....
Your Ma Ma would be proud to hear that language comming from you...
Lets keep it some what clean here...
-=[cwa]=-
>In article <3q65wj8...@shell4.tdl.com>,
> Phil Stripling <phil_st...@cieux.zzn.com> wrote:
>
>> I think Apple extended its offer because of the underwhelming demand.
>
>No, that's definitely not it -- 180,000 people has actually EXCEEDED
>their expectations. Or at least Phil Schiller's expectations ... he
>expected 100,000 to sign up.
180,000 is a nice number, but no, it has not exceeded Phil Schiller's
target of at least 10% (240,000+), and his hoped for goal of "better than
that" as stated in an interview after the announcement at MWNY.
OTOH, I wouldn't be surprised if they added another 20-30k in the next two
weeks.
--
Phil Lefebvre
Chicago, IL
Remove GO from e-mail address to reply.
> If they ever had a chance of selling me, they lost it by the repeated HTML
> spams attempting to convince me.
How many times constitute "repeated"?
>After numerous complaints and requests to
> stop sent to ab...@mac.com, sup...@mac.com sup...@apple.com,
> ab...@apple.com mac...@abuse.net, I gave up and deleted that account
> from my mail config.
>
Yup, that DELETE key is getting to be a real chore to push.
> In article <VDln9.1767$c6....@bos-service2.ext.raytheon.com>,
> Wes Groleau <wesgr...@despammed.com> wrote:
>
> > If they ever had a chance of selling me, they lost it by the repeated HTML
> > spams attempting to convince me.
>
> How many times constitute "repeated"?
I got four.
And not only were they HTML, but they had very obvious webbugs in them
Apple should be ashamed.
--
jeremy
FastMail.FM
What? So you can host illegal German arse-gravy fetish mpegs? No way! :)
I agree that the HTML mail was unfortunate, but place the blame where it
truly belongs -- on Microsoft. They are the ones who made HTML mail
acceptable. Just another of their many crimes.
Well, for people who DO live in America it's relevant. I may have been
born and raised in the UK, but I'm here now (and have been for several
decades, but that's not relevant).
As for people outside the US, there are these things to consider:
1. While you don't get the prints (yet -- Apple may make this offer
availabe later on a worldwide scale), you do get all the other benefits.
2. There is more of that sort of thing coming. How much of it will spill
over to other countries isn't clear of course, but hey for the UK it's
only, what, 28 pounds? You spend more than that on one round of drinks
in the pub, give me a break! The iPhoto/iCal/iSync/Backup tie-ins, free
game and larger webbox/disk space are worth that!
It comes from an actual conversation with the man, but it's been pointed
out to me that Phil is quoted in print with a higher expectation. I
spoke to him *after* the announcement at MWNY.
It's arguable that Phil meant he hoped 10% of the *people* who used
iTools would sign up for .Mac -- while Apple said they had 2.4 million
*accounts,* there is no way in hell that represented 2.4 million people.
More like half that number.
In which case Apple has indeed beaten their prediction.
Or it could be that Phil revised his expectations after he saw how the
crowd reacted. :)
In either case, I personally think 200,000 (which is what I expect Apple
will have by Oct. 14th) is extremely impressive. It's at least 20% of
the *true* iTools base, but of course while it looks good now the true
test will come later in two ways:
1. Can they increase membership over the course of the year, say to
around 240,000?
2. Will they be able to hold on to anything even remotely resembling
that number when the price goes up to $99?
Call me an optimist, but I'm going to give Apple a fair shot at
convincing me to spend $99 with them next year. I'm going to keep
careful record of what bonuses, benefits and other goodies .Mac members
get in the first year and reassess my membership at renewal time.
The 100,000 number I quoted came from a (brief) conversation I had with
Mr. Schiller.
Admittedly, this was *after* MWNY, so perhaps he "adjusted" his
expectation once he got the crowd reaction to the plan. :)
> I agree that the HTML mail was unfortunate, but place the blame where it
> truly belongs -- on Microsoft. They are the ones who made HTML mail
> acceptable.
Ahem. "Acceptable?!?"
"Accessible": maybe.
"Prevalent": perhaps.
"Annoying as hell": definitely.
"Acceptable": no way! I even tell my own mother to knock it off when she
sends the stuff.
:-)
Jeff
--
I'm not a vegetarian because I love animals.
I'm a vegetarian because I hate vegetables.
> 2. There is more of that sort of thing coming. How much of it will spill
> over to other countries isn't clear of course, but hey for the UK it's
> only, what, 28 pounds? You spend more than that on one round of drinks
> in the pub, give me a break!
28 quid??? Certainly not. Well, maybe a couple of years ago when I had a job
and an income, but not in these days of dysfunctional economy and no work.
In fact, it's been a long while since I went out at all. Round of drinks?
Luxury!
Nevertheless, it's still a slight to be offered something incomplete,
compared to the originating country that gets the whole. It sort of says
that Apple doesn't regard itself as an international company, and doesn't
care. I think for the world at large it should be able to structure
something less exclusionist, which I'm sure they are blindly unaware of,
but only serves to act as an insult.
I wanted my pictures! Waah! :-)
--
Ian Tindale
> Charles Martin wrote:
>
> > 2. There is more of that sort of thing coming. How much of it will spill
> > over to other countries isn't clear of course, but hey for the UK it's
> > only, what, 28 pounds? You spend more than that on one round of drinks
> > in the pub, give me a break!
>
> 28 quid??? Certainly not. Well, maybe a couple of years ago when I had a job
> and an income, but not in these days of dysfunctional economy and no work.
Admittedly I haven't set foot in England for six years now (though
that's likely to change soon) but I feel sure I would have heard if the
vast majority of the population were out of work and destitute. Without
knowing you, how could I have possibly known that you are too poor to
afford "luxuries" like .Mac?
To the *average* Briton, I shouldn't think 28-30 quid (a rough
approximation of the $50 charge current iTools members can get .Mac for)
is all that much. Last time I was there, it was hard to get a dinner for
two at that price.
Furthermore, while you can complain about the cost of .Mac all you like,
in point of fact Apple UK's page on the subject makes it clear that
European customers won't get all the advantages and *discourages*
signing up (though it provides a way to do so if you want to) by
expressly telling potential customers that only US and Japanese
customers are fully supported at this time.
> In fact, it's been a long while since I went out at all. Round of drinks?
> Luxury!
Sorry to hear that, but don't expect me to believe that your miserable
situation is that widespread. I was in England during the punk era; try
40% unemployment on for size, mate!
Besides, you miss that point, which is that the cost of .Mac isn't
really that much money. It could be argued quite easily that compared to
the value for Americans the deal doesn't look that good to you, or that
given your status it's not a viable option, and you'd get no argument
from me; but to pretend that 28 bob is a staggering pile of cash is just
ridiculous.
> Nevertheless, it's still a slight to be offered something incomplete,
> compared to the originating country that gets the whole. It sort of says
> that Apple doesn't regard itself as an international company, and doesn't
> care.
I disagree; I think it says that Apple has trouble getting it's shit
together for a worldwide simultaneous launch, and that the myriad
details of the deals done as part of .Mac mean that some regions won't
get exactly the same package.
But personally I think that Apple has *every* intention of eventually
offering a roughly-equal version of .Mac worldwide, with minor
differences between the US/Japanese and rest of world versions. But I
think it will take time.
Think of it as the US and Japan "beta testing" the idea before you get
it if that helps at all. :)
> I think for the world at large it should be able to structure
> something less exclusionist, which I'm sure they are blindly unaware of,
> but only serves to act as an insult.
>
> I wanted my pictures! Waah! :-)
I can see where it would feel like Europe's getting second-class
treatment (again). But I have this feeling that Apple will eventually
put it right, perhaps as early as this January. Now that they know they
have a reasonable base to work with, they are perhaps emboldened to
offer the package worldwide.
It certainly wouldn't hurt to offer Apple feedback on this issue. :)
> In article <rubbish-BB6103...@newsr3.tampabay.rr.com>,
> Charles Martin <rub...@bollocks.org> wrote:
>
> > I agree that the HTML mail was unfortunate, but place the blame where it
> > truly belongs -- on Microsoft. They are the ones who made HTML mail
> > acceptable.
>
> Ahem. "Acceptable?!?"
> "Accessible": maybe.
> "Prevalent": perhaps.
> "Annoying as hell": definitely.
> "Acceptable": no way! I even tell my own mother to knock it off when she
> sends the stuff.
>
> :-)
> Jeff
I'm completely with ya!
> [...] If I were Apple
> though I would keep the price at $50 next year to avoid loosing
> subscribers.
If I were Apple, I'd figure out a way to prevent subscribers from
visiting www.fastmail.fm -- that's the only way (to my mind) they can
avoid losing subscribers... :-)
Robert@FM (happy FM customer)
> If I were Apple, I'd figure out a way to prevent subscribers from
> visiting www.fastmail.fm -- that's the only way (to my mind) they can
> avoid losing subscribers... :-)
If Apple were Microsoft, they'd buy it and shut it down. :->
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[re: Fastmail.FM]
> > Me, too. There are a couple of things I'd really like to see
> > added to their webmail interface (ie. view raw message source),
> Well, I really want the raw-source thing too... And since I'm one of
> the developers, you might find that helps push the priority up the
> list... ;-)
Long as I've got your ear, what's with the business of the
webmail interface taking links in messages and making them
"live" but with a _redirect_ through Fastmail.FM on the way?
Why not just make them live and direct?
(example: somebody sends me a message saying "Hey, dude,
visit http://some.cool.website.com"
Fastail displays that - but makes the link
"live" via <a
href="http://something.fastmail.fm/redirect?etcetc=http://some.cool.website.com">
)
Are you guys logging links we click on? That's the only
reason I can imagine you'd do that and, frankly, it's a
bit annoying.
Still, Apple's got a lot to learn from you folks. I wish
they'd pay a little attention.
> Long as I've got your ear, what's with the business of the
> webmail interface taking links in messages and making them
> "live" but with a _redirect_ through Fastmail.FM on the way?
> Why not just make them live and direct?
>
> (example: somebody sends me a message saying "Hey, dude,
> visit http://some.cool.website.com"
> Fastail displays that - but makes the link
> "live" via <a
> href="http://something.fastmail.fm/redirect?etcetc=http://some.cool.
> website.com">
> )
Jeremy explained the reason behind this on the Fastmail discussion
board at
<http://www.emailaddresses.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?forumid=17>. To
summarize, Fastmail doesn't use cookies to identify users. Instead,
they put a session ID in the URL. If you clicked through directly to
the linked web site, that web site would have your session ID in their
referrer log and could conceivably wreck havoc on your email account.
Now, there's a poor likelihood that this parade of horribles will
actually occur (1) it's unlikely anyone is going to be trolling for
Fastmail.fm referrers on their web pages and (2) session IDs expire
after two hours. However, there is a risk, and it is safer this way.
Fastmail is not logging the redirect links.
- geoff
> Fastmail is not logging the redirect links.
>
Correct in spirit... but to clarify, *every* HTTP transaction is
logged (including redirects), in that we write to a text file the
browser name, referrer, IP, time, and URL. But we don't use this
information for anything other than tracking down security or
operational issues, and we only keep it for ten days.
The only purpose of the URL redirects is to improve the security of
your FastMail.FM account.
Since we're well off topic, can I suggest if anyone has any followups
that they direct them to our forum?:
http://www.emailaddresses.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=17
I do reply to most posts there in person, unless another user has
already provided an suitable answer.
To get back on-topic, I'm quite interested in learning more about how
we can interoperate with iSync. Are there good docs around about
what's required to make our address-book data accessible with iSync?
Are there Open Source solutions for doing this? Address books on
FastMail.FM are stored in a MySQL/InnoDB database.
--
Jeremy
FastMail.FM
>
> To get back on-topic, I'm quite interested in learning more about how
> we can interoperate with iSync. Are there good docs around about
> what's required to make our address-book data accessible with iSync?
> Are there Open Source solutions for doing this? Address books on
> FastMail.FM are stored in a MySQL/InnoDB database.
>
Is iSync much to do with SyncML - the XML sync thing? I wonder, because it
has a picture of an Ericsson T68i on the web page at Apple, and that I
think also uses SyncML (as do/will more and more things in future,
apparently).
--
Ian Tindale
Thanks for the explanation. Makes sense and obviously I hadn't thought of it.
> Since we're well off topic, can I suggest if anyone has any followups
> that they direct them to our forum?:
>
> http://www.emailaddresses.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=17
I tried that forum and, frankly, very much prefer usenet. I do wish
there were a better newsgroup for this, and apologize to the Mac folks
for going off-topic thataway.
> To get back on-topic, I'm quite interested in learning more about how
> we can interoperate with iSync. Are there good docs around about
> what's required to make our address-book data accessible with iSync?
> Are there Open Source solutions for doing this? Address books on
> FastMail.FM are stored in a MySQL/InnoDB database.
In a similar vein, tying into new Apple software - how about WebDAV
and storing one's iCal data on Fastmail?
>SNIP<
> I tried that forum and, frankly, very much prefer usenet. I do wish
> there were a better newsgroup for this, and apologize to the Mac folks
> for going off-topic thataway.
>SNIP<
How about mac comm? I'm not sure the original post was on topic for mac
system, but who can tell?
> > To get back on-topic, I'm quite interested in learning more about how
> > we can interoperate with iSync. Are there good docs around about
> > what's required to make our address-book data accessible with iSync?
> > Are there Open Source solutions for doing this? Address books on
> > FastMail.FM are stored in a MySQL/InnoDB database.
>
> In a similar vein, tying into new Apple software - how about WebDAV
> and storing one's iCal data on Fastmail?
Yes, WebDAV is coming; it's the DAVFS-compatible file storage feature
mentioned here:
http://www.fastmail.fm/docs/comingenhancements.html
When we get around to doing calendars, I'm sure we'll provide an iCal
interface. That'll be some way away, however.
--
Jeremy
FastMail.FM