System Restore & Zone Alarm - Info & Update
Darla
unchecked the box and rebooted again.... didnt work
next.... ran a search for a wininit.ini file on my system...... none found
searched for tgcmd.exe. none found
searched for "ACCESS DENIED" .... none found
read Q274092 - "Error Message: System Restore Cannot Run Until You Restart
the
Computer" (http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q274/0/92.ASP).
then I ran SCANREG /FIX
I rebooted and when I opened system restore, there were no new checkpoints,
but it allowed me to create one manually.
I will continue for a while to see if any checkpoints are automatically
created. I will also keep your post flagged so I can return if I have more
problems. Thank you for your time :) I really appreciate it.
Darla
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"heirloom" <heir...@nospamatall.com> wrote in message
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> > First, check that you don't have a wininit.ini file. If you do, rename
> this
> > to wininit.old and retry System Restore.
>
> I have a wininit.ini file in Windows/Command folder, however, it
is
> a 0 byte file. Would this still be a potential problem for the SR?
> Also have wininit.exe, 0 byte in the same folder. In C:/Windows I have
the
> file with an .exe 46Kb, .sav 13Kb and .bak 1Kb. Should I be getting rid
> of these? Or is this just in the event of not being able to create manual
> SR points?
> Heirloom, old and will be glad when this is over
>
> "Mike M" <No_Spam@Corned_Beef.Only> wrote in message
> news:uqc9zXaaCHA.1556@tkmsftngp08...
> > You need to separate your problems, for example installing Zone Alarm
has
> > nothing whatsoever to do with your inability to make a manual checkpoint
> and
> > the same reason (which follows) will also have been preventing the
> creation of
> > any automatic checkpoints regardless of any problems that might involve
> Zone
> > Alarm.
> >
> > Your System Restore problem sounds as if you either have a program that
> > creates a new wininit.ini file each time you boot your system or that
you
> are
> > yet another victim of the "false Wininit.ini" problem. System Restore
> will
> > not create a checkpoint when it believes the file wininit.ini to be
> present on
> > the system since the presence of such a file is normally indicative of
an
> > incomplete install where wininit.ini contains instructions to be
executed
> to
> > complete the install (or uninstall) next time the system is booted.
> >
> > First, check that you don't have a wininit.ini file. If you do, rename
> this
> > to wininit.old and retry System Restore. If this works then you
possibly
> have
> > a program that creates a wininit.ini file each time you boot your
system.
> One
> > known example is tgcmd.exe from @home another is a program called
"ACCESS
> > DENIED". If you have tgcmd.exe I understand that disabling it in
MSConfig
> |
> > Startup will have no adverse effect on your system but enable you to use
> > System Restore. Likewise ACCESS DENIED needs to be "switched off"
whilst
> > using SR to either create or restore to a previous checkpoint. See also
> MS KB
> > Q274092 - "Error Message: System Restore Cannot Run Until You Restart
the
> > Computer"
> (http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q274/0/92.ASP).
> >
> > If this isn't the reason for your problem then try running
> > SCANREG /FIX
> > from a command prompt such as Start | Run. Note that the system will
> re-boot
> > so don't have any applications open when doing this. I suggest this
> because
> > it appears the same message you are seeing is given not only when there
is
> a
> > wininit.ini file but also when the registry has been corrupted in some
> way.
> > What that corruption might be I have as yet no idea.
> >
> > If scanreg /fix doesn't do it I would then suggest you try using
> > SCANREG /RESTORE
> > and restore your registry to an earlier version (you should be offered 5
> > options) after which hopefully SR will be enabled and can be used to
> return
> > your system to the point you want. Note that at long last Microsoft
have
> > addressed this problem and recently issued a KB covering this. See MS
KB
> > Q303354 - "Error Message: System Restore Was Unable to Create a Restore
> Point"
> > (http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/q303/3/54.asp).
> >
> > Moving on you mention a registry cleaner. Well, it is often the use of
> such
> > programs that causes users problems and is rarely if ever a tool to
repair
> a
> > problem. A tool to clean the registry maybe help do exactly that and
> possibly
> > speed up some aspects of your computing but also often break a system
> unless
> > used with care.
> >
> > As to your previous post I replied:
> > "Now that you've got out attention how about letting up on the suspense
> and
> > telling us what error message you see when attempting to make a manual
> > checkpoint.
> >
> > As for problems you experience with Norton I'll leave others to deal
with
> > those problems as I long ago made a positive decision not to use their
> > products on my systems. :-)
> >
> > Zone Alarm's True Vector has nothing whatsoever to do with Vector
Graphics
> > Rendering."
> > --
> > Mike Maltby MS-MVP
> > mcma...@hotmail.com
> >
> >
> > Darla <dmcki...@mountaincable.net> wrote:
> >
> > > I sent a reply earlier today concerning my system restore and ME and
> > > Zone alarm, etc. I can't seem to find it now, and knowing I make
> > > mistakes :P I thought I would send it again to make sure I get it
> > > right this time. Thanks for being patient.
> > > I also run ME, Zone Alarm 3.1.291, IE6, and NAV. I have lost all
> > > restore points and am told everytime I try to manually make a
> > > checkpoint, that system restore is unable to do it. It asks to reboot
> > > the computer and try again. I have made sure the checkbox is cleared
> > > next to "disable system restore" and tried to do whatever else has
> > > been suggested to others. If you find out the true cause of this
> > > please let me know. Question... Zone alarm uses a "true vector"
> > > is that, in any way related to the "vector graphics" problem with IE6
> > > sp1? I also am dealing with that. Was wondering if all of these
> > > symptoms may be related. I also would like to know how to clean out
> > > my registry folder, there are a lot of files that are uneeded in
> > > there. Is there a registry cleaner? Thanks for your time
> >
> >
>
>
Phil
someone else has posted the same date)I do not use Zone
Alarm.
The error message I get when attempting a manual point
is 'System restore is not able to create a restore point.
Please restart the computer and then use System Restore
again'
This of course makes no differnce whatsoever.
I have loads of disc space and plenty of memory.
Phil
>-----Original Message-----
>As Heather, heirloom and others know my main Win Me
system running 24/7 was
>creating automatic system checkpoints like clockwork and
has been doing so for
>some time with Zone Alarm v3.0.134 installed as were two
other PCs also
>running Win Me although those only run Win Me when
required for testing.
>
>Well this has changed w.e.f 27 Sept. It is now three
days since the last
>automatic check point was created. So what changed. I
see that on 27 Sept
>four updates were installed on that PC from the Windows
Update site - .NET
>framework, Root Certificates update, and two long
standing updates not
>previously installed since they were not really
applicable to that PC but
>installed as part of beta testing a new WindowsUpdate
site for WinMe - the
>Q311311 Universal Plug and Play Update and the Q273017
Windows IDE Hard Drive
>Cache Package. I think we can safely ignore the Root
Certificates update so
>it is just possible that one of the other three is
somehow implicated together
>with Zone Alarm in causing automatic checkpoints not to
be created.
>
>So nothing really new other than to report that my
reference PC is now
>experiencing the same problem reported by others.
>--
>Mike Maltby MS-MVP
>mcma...@hotmail.com
>
>
>
>.
>
Noel Paton
That's the kicker - you have a wininit.ini file (or at least, windows thinks
you do)!!
Reboot the PC.
You _should_ get the Windows is Updating your System Configuration message
Look for the file in your windows folder - it may be hidden - and rename it
to wininit.jnk if you find it.
try System restore again - does it work now?
If the answer to any/all of the above is 'No'
then try this
Start|Run
type
SCANREG /FIX (note the space)
and hit Enter
Windows will reboot
Now try SR again - does it work?
--
Noel Paton
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"Phil" <Phi...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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Jack E Martinelli
My WinME box last created an auto SR point at 4:31 PM on 9/24/2002, by
disabling the free ZA 3.1.395 and eTrust AV 6.0.123.
Rebooting to run the normal startup group, including the two utilities
above, has resulted in NO NEW SR CHECKPOINTS since then, some thirteen
days.
In contrast, a XP Home box running the same utilities creates auto SR
checkpoints every 24 hours.
Recent WinME WinUpdates here are :
V3_2|4275|INSTALL|Security Update, March 4, 2002|5,0,3805,0|2002-07-24
08:47:59|1|SUCCESS|||
V3_2|5455|INSTALL|Q320920: Security Update (Windows Media Player
6.4)|6,4,7,1124|2002-07-30 08:29:47|1|SUCCESS|||
V3_2|4702|INSTALL|Root Certificates Update|2,0,2195,0|2002-07-30
08:31:18|1|SUCCESS|||
V3_2|4267|INSTALL|Windows Me Help and Support Update, November
2000|4,90,3000,0|2002-08-22 09:53:08|1|FAIL|0x800704c7|The operation was
canceled by the user.|
V3_2|4267|INSTALL|Windows Me Help and Support Update, November
2000|4,90,3000,0|2002-08-22 09:57:58|1|SUCCESS|||
V3_2|5479|INSTALL|Q323759: August, 2002 Cumulative Patch for Internet
Explorer 6|6,0,2719,2200|2002-08-27 09:34:48|1|SUCCESS|||
V3_2|5527|INSTALL|Q323172: Security Update (Windows
Me)|1,10,101,0|2002-09-02 12:48:16|1|SUCCESS|||
V3_2|5710|INSTALL|Q329077: Security Update|5,0,3807,0|2002-09-25
08:43:20|1|SUCCESS|||
V3_2|5488|INSTALL|Q323255: Security Update (Windows
Me)|4,90,3000,0|2002-10-05 12:40:12|1|SUCCESS|||
V3_2|5767|INSTALL|Q329048: Security Update|4,90,3000,0|2002-10-05
12:40:26|1|SUCCESS|||
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I also continue to find the DUN dialer is initiated by ZA very early in
the startup process, even as early as the scandisk run following an
improper shutdown. The dialer runs prior to Windows logon. This is
consistent with ZA started as a HKLM\...\"RunService".
I also find that if the eTrust V.6 process, Inotask, is disabled using
msconfig, then one cannot retrieve new signature files.
It apparently is not just a "task scheduler" for the AV, but is
necessary for the signature DL process.
And only the eTrust "realmon" process appears in Task Manager; the
Inort9x and Inotask processes are not reported there.
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"Mike M" <No_Spam@Corned_Beef.Only> wrote in message
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Bernard Littman
tell me whether manual restore points have been found to work? Also,
do restore points work that were formed by turning ZA off for a few
minutes? Thanks for any information you can offer.
"Jack E Martinelli" <jemartin_PURGE_[AT]gis.net> wrote in message
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Heather
I did a System Restore AFTER I had removed the offending ZA version
and reverted to the 2.6.231 freebie version.......and it worked OK.
But it was after doing the above.......not during.
Has anyone restored back to a manual restore point?
Heather
"Bernard Littman" <bern...@comcast.net.invalid> wrote in message
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Jack E Martinelli
while testing the auto checkpoint possibility over the past thirteen
days.
Perhaps some other user can usefully comment.
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Bernard Littman
> I am prepared now to test these questions, but have not done so yet
> while testing the auto checkpoint possibility over the past thirteen
> days.
> Perhaps some other user can usefully comment.
I have a Dell Dimension L700cx with Windows Me and free ZA 3.1.291. My
system has not made automatic restore points since ZA was upgraded to
3.1.291. I am able to make manual restore points. Also, an automatic
restore point is generated when I turn ZA off for a few minutes.
This morning I tested both a manual and an automatic restore point.
Both System Restore operations were successful. The test consisted of
uninstalling the Google Toolbar and then performing a System Restore.
In both cases. the Google Toolbar reappeared after the System Restore.
Does this seem to be an adequate test? (The automatic restore point
was a few minutes old. The manual restore point was two days old.)
I realize this test only applies to my system and does not answer any
general issues about SR. But I sure feel better.
In the past, it was almost always necessary to reload NAV 2001 after
an SR. A reload was not required today for either test. Could that be
explained by the restore points being very recent, so nothing in NAV
changed?
Noel Paton
time that you updated the virus definitions for NAV - so I'd be surprised if
a 'short' restore such as that was to cause a problem.
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Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2003, Win9x)
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