USB printer
Edward
It seems someone has had some luck printing from Geos to a USB printer!
This is a mail I got from Johannes Moeller. I tried to add here and there an
explanation, but I don't know if it's all ok because I don't have an English
WIN-version.
At the moment I don't have a setup like Johannes, but he mailed me the
details, maybe
someone can try it?
Edward Nijs
Here is Johannes:
-I take a USB-Printer from hp the HP Deskjet 550
-I have a little tcp-ip-network at home.
-All computer run with MS-Windows 98 or 95 or ME.
-(I have DSL, but I don't went with breadbox ensemble over dsl into internet
-:-()
-One Computer have a USB-port. ... there is the printer installed
-On this Computer I have take with right mouse bottem "Freigabe"(Share?)
-Freigeben als Netzwerkdrucker(Share as networkprinter?)
-On the other Computer I go "Netzwerkumgebung"(network environment?)
-I take the Computer
-An I find the printer
-Or I go to "Arbeitsplatz"(Desktop?)
-"Drucker" (Printer)
-"Neuer Drucker"(New printer)
-"Netzwerkdrucker"(Network printer)
-"Durchsuchen" - den Drucker auswählen(Browse: select printer)
-"Drucken auch unter DOS?" - "Ja" (printing under DOS:: YES)
-"Druckeranschluß zuordnen" ( Define/Select Printerport?)
-"weiter" (next?)
-Now I can take the networkprinter and can say "Emuliere Printer on
LPT3"(Emulate on LPT3)
-Das geht so:
-auf das Druckersymbol mit der rechten Maustaste (Rightclick on printer
icon)
-"Eigenschaften" (Properties?)
-"Druckeranschluß zuordnen" (Define Printerport?)
-und "Verbindung beim Start wieder herstellen"(reconnect after start?)
-das wars
-Jetzt muesste
-PC GEOS den Drucker an LPT3 finden koennen. ;-)
-Gruss Johannes
Bob
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Edward
"Bob" <bob1...@comcast.net> schreef in bericht
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> It shouldn't matter to GEOS if the shared printer is USB.
>
Well it shouldn't but this was the first time I read that someone got his
usb printer to print from Geos.
I can't. I have a Canon I-850 which does a very nice job,but not in Geos.
I'll have to setup a network to try it.
I notice however that even with 512 Mb RAM which was built in this pc it
slows down everything, so I guess it needs a lot of pc memory to print?
Any hints to prevent it from slowing down the mouse? No I won't add another
512 Mb. :-D
My old Canon BJ200 - it's now in my daughter's dorm at university :-( -
has it's own memory.Never saw this behaviour with this oldie.
Edward
Still have your Lennon glasses? I lost a 4cd box of John. Someone 'borrowed
' it I think. :-(
Wayne
>
> -I take a USB-Printer from hp the HP Deskjet 550
>
> -I have a little tcp-ip-network at home.
Which begs the question, why can't Geos be made to send the printout to a
driver that mimics as a shared resource, or just to a USB DOS driver with
a Parallel wrapper driver software?
Another solution would be if Sun/MS made a universal printer driver
standard based on compiled Java (pref using the ex fast Toas engine) this
would mean (if done properly) that companies only need to write one driver
for all machines/OS's (Sun allready have a Universal driver standard in
Java), but they would proibably do a Windows version and a universal one
for the rest.
Thanks
Wayne.
> -Gruss Johannes
>
>
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Hans
Pat
>
Some hints here:
http://www.columbia.edu/~em36/wpdos/winprint.html
Jens-Michael Gross
>
> "Bob" <bob1...@comcast.net> schreef in bericht
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> > It shouldn't matter to GEOS if the shared printer is USB.
> >
> Hi Bob,
>
> Well it shouldn't but this was the first time I read that someone got his
> usb printer to print from Geos.
> I can't. I have a Canon I-850 which does a very nice job,but not in Geos.
> I'll have to setup a network to try it.
The problem is that at least Win95 (I just tried it) refuses to capture
an LPT port to a local printer, even if you defined a 'printer loop'
(share the printer with the network and then connect a new printer with
the shared network address). I don't know why, as it is no problem
printing to the looped printer device from within windows.
Printing over the network works. My girlfriend has an HP 870Cxi shared
on our LAN and I can print from GEOS under Win95 on my laptop to her
printer. It is unimportant whether the printer is serial, parallel, USB
or whatever. As long as it understands the printer data that comes from
GEOS, it should print.
If GEOS is running under W98 and up, it should also be possible to print
to pure network printers (directly attached to the LAN) by using their
IP address as link destination. (W95 can't do this AFAIK, as it uses
NETBIOS only to share printers and drives)
> I notice however that even with 512 Mb RAM which was built in this pc it
> slows down everything, so I guess it needs a lot of pc memory to print?
the problem is the printer port access. When GEOS sends a byte to the
printer, the 'write access' to the faked printer port takes ages because
it is no real port but triggers an exception that will capture the write
command and route the written byte to whereever it shall go.
And Windows really isn't an efficiency wizard already.
Maybe setting the GEOS port settings to IRQ, BIOS or DOS changes the
speed. I guess, DOS should be the fastest, as the DOS call directly
routes the data to the windows driver, but maybe IRQ doesn't disturb
GEOS so much. It might depend on the actual Windows installation.
> Any hints to prevent it from slowing down the mouse? No I won't add another
> 512 Mb. :-D
This isn't the problem.
depending on the printer settings, windows either stores the whole
printing process on HD (this means, the printer will start to print when
GEOS exits) or routes every byte to the printer as it is written to the
LPT port. This wills tart printing immediately but triggers a network
packet for every byte (worst case).
Since windows does not postprocess the data, the only memory intensive
task is the GEOS printer driver. And this doesn't take that much :)
Grossibaer
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we would save 30 working hours worldwide every day.
Jens-Michael Gross
>
> On Mon, 3 Nov 2003 10:12:17 +0100, Edward <edwar...@skynet.be> wrote:
>
> >
> > -I take a USB-Printer from hp the HP Deskjet 550
> >
> > -I have a little tcp-ip-network at home.
>
> Which begs the question, why can't Geos be made to send the printout to a
> driver that mimics as a shared resource, or just to a USB DOS driver with
> a Parallel wrapper driver software?
Well, if someone writes an USB driver for DOS that really works
(remember, USB is an awful piece of SH*T, with its huge protocol stack
and its nested tree structure), it shouldn't be a poblem to intercept
data output to DOS LPTx and redirect it to the printer.
But with all these chipsets with their own unique and hardware
incompatible USB controller, the routers and so on, all only with
windows drivers, it would be a huge pile of work.
I'm sure I could do such a redirector within a week. And I'm also shure
it would only work on my PC and on no other :)
And I don't have an USB printer :)
Bob
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> If GEOS is running under W98 and up, it should also be possible to print
> to pure network printers (directly attached to the LAN) by using their
> IP address as link destination. (W95 can't do this AFAIK, as it uses
> NETBIOS only to share printers and drives)
AFAIK, no. The entire Win 9X family is unable to print to an IP address.
There is no way to "tell" the 9X family to print to a TCP/IP address.
William Ove
> AFAIK, no. The entire Win 9X family is unable to print to an IP
> address. There is no way to "tell" the 9X family to print to a TCP/IP
> address.
>
It is interesting you mention that. I have 2 network printers and try as
I might I have never been abot to get Win 98 to either find them or use
them. Some time back I just decided that it was not doable with the
standard install of Win 98.
I assume however that printing to a network printer must be possible
with additional software? If it is could you tell me what all it takes.
thanks.
bill
Hans Lindgren
that will make this possible, and I think that is what Jens have in mind. One of the worst ones I have seen in the one that comes bundeled with Epson printers and Axis-boxes. Easy to install, but a minor hell to get rid off ;-)
BR,
Hans
Hans Lindgren
On 2003-11-10 03:59, William Ove wrote:
In <JLArb.112843$mZ5.753714@attbi_s54> Bob wrote:AFAIK, no. The entire Win 9X family is unable to print to an IP address. There is no way to "tell" the 9X family to print to a TCP/IP address.It is interesting you mention that. I have 2 network printers and try as I might I have never been abot to get Win 98 to either find them or use them. Some time back I just decided that it was not doable with the standard install of Win 98.
I assume however that printing to a network printer must be possible with additional software? If it is could you tell me what all it takes. thanks.
Hans
William Ove
> There are quite some third-party solutions, I think you can look on
> the internet for them. Even Apple have one for LaserWriter 8500 and
> Windows 98 supporting TCP/IP printing. I know as I have installed it.
>
> Hans
Thanks for the post, but neither the Apple LaserWriter software nor the
Epson software seem to do anything when installed. I am not clear what I
should expect, but with Be and Mac and Suse Linux, the OS just finds the
printer. With Windows even after the Apple and Epson software are
installed the printers are not found.
I do not think my Windows 98 install gets to the point of recognizing it
is on a network. Actually I guess it is not that bad, it can go through
the router to get to the internet, and I can successfully ping the
printers. However I can not set them up to work.
It is ironic that the Epson print server software is configured through
a web interface. So using Windows 98, I can control the printer, however
I can not get a document to print from it.
bill
Hans Lindgren
For Apple LaserWriter 8500 you will need one of the two CD:s distributed with the printer. From there you have to install the Apple printer port. I can't remember the name of the port, I think it is something like Apple printer port or Apple TCP/IP printer port , but in the manual of the LaserWriter 8500 you will find the how to for the installation, but the description is not complete, you will have to hack your way through. On the CD there is the Apple TCP/IP printer port software for Windows, and you need to install it. Beware, on the CD there is two installation options for the Windows software, you have to choose "Custom" or similar and check the option to install the TCP/IP printing port. I don't have the documentation nor the CD in my hands as it belongs to a client. I can check, but it will take some time. weeks or months.
Epson utilizes the Axis print box, and you will the need Axis box connected to the printer, and you have to install that to use the tcp/ip printing port software in Windows. HP does have a similar solution, and I prefer HP, over Axis.
You can use any search engine, like for example Google and try to search for Windows 98 and LPR/LPD as the Unix standard is called to print to a printer on a network.
BR,
Hans
Wayne
interface for USB that a Enswemble driver could be made for? What would
be good is if the printer maufactures produced a second universal printer
driver based on the Java printer driver format. Actually Open Source has
been making drivers for unsupported hardware like this for a while, could
they be examined and drivers made for Ensemble?
Thanks
Wayne.
Jens-Michael Gross
>
> My Bios has a selection for USB DOS support, is there some standard DOS
> interface for USB that a Enswemble driver could be made for? What would
> be good is if the printer maufactures produced a second universal printer
> driver based on the Java printer driver format. Actually Open Source has
> been making drivers for unsupported hardware like this for a while, could
> they be examined and drivers made for Ensemble?
I don't know of any DOS standard for USB devices.
The only thing I ever heard of (very distant) was an ASPI manager for
USB ports under DOS. ASPI is a known DOS standard.
It could be possible to access USB scanners or USB drives as SCSI
devices.
The BIOS support for DOS more or less means that USB keyboard (and
perhaps Mouse) are routed to normal keyboard (and mouse) ports, as long
as the software uses BIOS calls to get the data.
Wayne
port? The thing also has DOS USB thumbdrive support.
Thanks
Wayne.
On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 20:10:17 +0100, Jens-Michael Gross
<gross...@grossibaer.de> wrote:
> Wayne schrieb:
>>
>> My Bios has a selection for USB DOS support, is there some standard DOS
>> interface for USB that a Enswemble driver could be made for? What would
>> be good is if the printer maufactures produced a second universal
>> printer
>> driver based on the Java printer driver format. Actually Open Source
>> has
>> been making drivers for unsupported hardware like this for a while,
>> could
>> they be examined and drivers made for Ensemble?
>
> I don't know of any DOS standard for USB devices.
> The only thing I ever heard of (very distant) was an ASPI manager for
> USB ports under DOS. ASPI is a known DOS standard.
> It could be possible to access USB scanners or USB drives as SCSI
> devices.
>
> The BIOS support for DOS more or less means that USB keyboard (and
> perhaps Mouse) are routed to normal keyboard (and mouse) ports, as long
> as the software uses BIOS calls to get the data.
>
> Grossibaer
>
--
Jens-Michael Gross
>
> Does that mean that printers could be routed to appear as a standard LPT
> port? The thing also has DOS USB thumbdrive support.
AFAIK no.
The BIOS support is limited to USB keyboard and perhaps USB standard
mouse.
Jus tto allow altering BIOS settings or install a software that manages
the USB port itself, in case you do not have a 'real' keyboard at hand.
Managing one o two exactly known devices which need only a simple serial
protocol (which is true for keyboard and mouse) on USB is relatively
simple. Doing more (like maintaining printer status lines, handshaking
or whatever and for different devices) is very complex under USB and
needs a huge protocol stack.
There are some USB driverts for DOS for mass storage devices (even a
firewire and USB boot disk), but these drivers are larger than the whole
BIOS.
Wayne
<gross...@grossibaer.de> wrote:
> There are some USB driverts for DOS for mass storage devices (even a
> firewire and USB boot disk), but these drivers are larger than the whole
> BIOS.
Ohh yummy, yum, yum.
What are we to do when product move more towards devices based on WI-FI,
firewire, PCI Express Serial Desktop bus standards?
Wayne.
Pat
"Wayne" <jun...@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
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> What are we to do when product move more towards devices based on WI-FI,
> firewire, PCI Express Serial Desktop bus standards?
>
> Wayne.
nother easy lay up. If you get one of those PCs, you use the OS that
supports it, or optionally switch to an OS that fully supports the hardware.
Jens-Michael Gross
> What are we to do when product move more towards devices based on WI-FI,
> firewire, PCI Express Serial Desktop bus standards?
We're closing the circle from individual devices for every job (cd
player, video recorder, radio) yesterday over all-in-one multimedia PCs
back to one individual multimedia PC for every job. Each one with its
own OS and special hardware that fits best for its putpose but is
incompatible in bus system and OS and software with the others.
Except that now the result is more costly and way more power consuming
and much larger than the old stuff we once had before the PC.
Bob
> firewire, PCI Express Serial Desktop bus standards?
>
> Wayne.
Simple. Use an OS that supports the hardware! Easy!
hyubso
run as quickly on modern equipment as geos does on old obsolete equipment.
Wayne
v-12, a Mack truck engine maybe instead. The problems that Windows has
because of it's size makes it a shoody situation, better stil design a new
Cooper and soemthing to to fit in it. The hardware that Geos needs will
soon disappear, is the problem.
Thanks
Wayne.
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Hans Lindgren
USB or no USB, does partly have something to do with the OS, but this (one and only incident?) indicates something else..............
Hans