What's the difference?
descentr
Cartoon network. That brought back memories from my youth and so I
now record it for my son. I enjoyed the original series and had some
of the original toys, but don't really remember the story line all
that well.
I have been reading posts here to try and catch up, but seem to be
more confused than ever. I see references to G1, RiD, Armada, and a
few others. Are all these series in some sort of order, related, or
do they just pick up whereever they want? I was in a video store and
saw the movie and bought it on an impulse. My son and I enjoyed it,
but I was surprised to see Prime die, since he is alive in Armada.
I am considering buying the first season of the orginal transformers,
but if the Armada series is going to release a set (region 1) anytime
soon I may wait. Is there a synopsis of the series somewhere I can
get all this straight?
Thanks in advance,
descentr
Zobovor the Invisible Man
>I have been reading posts here to try and catch up, but seem to be
>more confused than ever. I see references to G1, RiD, Armada, and a
>few others. Are all these series in some sort of order, related, or
>do they just pick up whereever they want? I was in a video store and
>saw the movie and bought it on an impulse. My son and I enjoyed it,
>but I was surprised to see Prime die, since he is alive in Armada.
Basically, each of the different cartoon series is in its own continuity,
though there are some references to what's come before. G1 is the original
series you remember from your youth (short for Generation 1, named so to
distinguish it from the Generation 2 toy line produced from 1992-95); RiD is
short for Robots in Disguise and was the Transformers offering for 2001; and of
course Armada is the current series. There's also Beast Wars and its sister
series Beast Machines.
As for Prime's death... strange as it may sound, the Optimus Prime from Armada
may not actually be the same Optimus Prime from the movie. One possibility is
that Armada takes place in an alternate universe. Another idea is that this is
a different robot who took the name of an historical figure.
Also, just so you know, even within the G1 continuity, Prime's death wasn't
permanent. He was ressurected during the television season that came after the
movie, so it's theoretically possible for him to be alive during future series
that take place after G1.
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Derik Smith
>but I was surprised to see Prime die, since he is alive in Armada.
Optimus Prime got better about a year after the movie. Wielded the
matrix, saves the universe for a plague, nice guy.
>I am considering buying the first season of the orginal transformers,
>but if the Armada series is going to release a set (region 1) anytime
>soon I may wait. Is there a synopsis of the series somewhere I can
>get all this straight?
There is now!
'G1' (Refers to 'Generation One', a convienient shorthand for 'the
original series.' since it lacked any sub-title. Aquired it's retroactive name
because of Hasbro's re-release of the original toys and some new toys int he
early 90's as 'Generation Two.')
G1 had 3 seasons. For the first two seasons, Megatron fought Optimus
Prime.
The movie then happens. everythign skips forward 20 years, Optimus Prime
died, Megatron becomes Galvatron.
Season 3 takes place several months after the movie, and spans the year
2006. The adventure of the movie-era characters. At the end of season 3,
Optimus Prime returns from the dead, and Rodimus Prime becomes Hot Rod again.
The G1 tv series basicly ends here. Except for a 3-part 'mini-movie' set
in 2007 called 'the Rebirth.' All the 'Headmaster' toy characters are
introduced, transformers 'binary bonded' to organic nebulons (humans, basicly.)
Galvatron conquors Cybertron, is defeated, and Cybertron is repowered,
entering a new golden age. Galvatron vows to return, etc. A decent series
finale. the toy line continues for several more years.
However, in Japan, instead of the mini-movie, they got a full-fledged
series called 'Headmasters.' Picking up from right after Optimus Prime's
return at the end of season 3, they killed him again immediately, made Rodimus
the leader for about 16 episodes (he left when Cybertron was gutted b a chain
reaction to go 'find himself' or something.) Rebirth never occoured here, and
in fact CANNOT occour. The Decepticons are driven off earth, the Autobots
depart to 'fight for peace in the universe.' An action, battle-driven series,
very different in tone from the US series.
Masterforce picks up an unspecified time after Headmasters. There's an
Optimus Prime lookalike int he series, who is NOT Optimus Prime. (The body he
uses was apparently designed for Prime at one point, but never used.) This toy
was released in the United States as 'Powermaster Optimus Prime.' An excellent
series, but occasionally frustrating for transformer fans because it spends
much time focusing on the human partners and not the transformers. Character
driven.
Victory picks up years after Masterforce, and features a multiplanet
alliance of Autobots fighting a decepticon lord called Deathsaurus. People
rave about this action-based series (much better than Headmasters) but I
pesonally found it boring, like a retro-1970's planetary invasion anime done
really well, but with no real depth added. (Vi8ctory takes place around
2025ish, we think.)
Zone picks up some time after Victory. Star Saber, the leader from
Victory, retires and passes the mantle on to 'Dai Atlas,' who becomes the new
Autobot leader. The 'Zone' in the title is the name of his homeworld, colony
founded by Autobots millions of years ago. He fights the Decepticon generals
(a bunch of large Decepticons and gesalts, like Predaking, Devastator,
Trypticon, Bruticus...) who had all been 'ressurected' or rebuilt by an alien
force. Only one episode of Zone was produced, the rest of the story was told
through a magazine in Japan.
The above, headmasters-Zone, constitute what most people mean when they
say 'JP transformers,' those parts of the G1 story that continued, albeit
tangentally, in Japan. Again, remember Japan did not get the minimovie the US
did that sort of finished things off.
(The US and UK also had comic book series about the G1 story, which
continued after season 3, and diverged quite a bit, as they never skipped
froward for the movie, but introduced all the characters in the year 1986
instead. We'll ignore the comic for these purposes- it is also refered to as
'G1'.)
'Generation Two' was a toy line int he early 1990's that re-released a lot
of the original toys in new color schemes, and some new toys that the US never
got. (The Transformers toyline had ended in the US, but had continued unabated
in Europe, so there were more new toys to use.) No cartoon, just a 12 issue
comic maxiseries wherein the Autobots and Decepticons teamed up to fight an
offshoot empire, and an alien energy life form called 'the Swarm.'
'Machine Wars' was a very SMALL toyline in 1997. No cartoon, no comic,
nada. Only 12 toys. Basicly ignored.
'Beast Wars'
Beast Wars takes place in the 24th century. (I had a more exact date, but
I dont' feel like looking it up.) centuries from now, 2 factions are locked in
stalemate, a sort of cold war. The Maximals and the Predacons. The 'beast
Wars' series we got, because of time travel, actually 'happened' 50,000 years
ago (I'm aproximating) on prehistoric earth. It ran fro season 3, and by the
3rd season, they were actually based out of the crashed AUTOBOT Spaceship- with
all the deactivated Autobots (Optimus Prime, et all) lying about waiting to be
reawakend in the first episode of G1.
Beast Machines takes place right after Beast Wars, returning to Cybertron
in their own time, ,the Maximals discover Megatron (namesake- not the G1 one)
has taken over. They spend 26 episodes fightign a post-apocalyptic war on
cybertron. This action-based series is much maligned by fans for thin or bad
characterization, and a plot that went nowhere. (they were, except for adding
2 team mebers, basicl yin the same spot in episode 23 that they were in episode
2.) Since all the episodes were tied to the series overplot, and everyone
hated the overplot, the series kinda... sucks.
Beast Machines contains explicit refrences to ''The Rebirth,' the
mini-movie that ended the US cartoon,a nd took many of it's thematic leads
frrom it.
In addition, in Japan, there are 2 series that take place between Beast
Wars and Beast Machines. (With different casts, taking place in the BW-era
future, while the crew from beast Wars was stuck in the past.) 'Beast Wars 2'
and 'Beast Wars Neo' collectively retell the return of Unicron. (Something
that doens't come to pass until the end of the 2nd series- it's not
foreshadowed.)
So, there are 3 Beast-wars series. (4 in japan, 'Beast Wars' 3 seasons
were broken up into 2 26 episode series there. Beast Machines never aired in
Japan.) But only 2 have aired here. When someone says 'BW,' they probably
mean the US Beast Wars and Beast Machines series colectively. They all take
place in the future. (Even Beast Wars, which took place in the past,
flashed-forward to the 23rd century 'present' every 8th episode or so.)
This is relatively straightforward up until this point. All the series
mroe or less take place in order. the Beast-wars series all take place in the
future, at the same time (BM being last, and perhaps a but further on.) the
Autobots and Decepticons reformed politicly as Maximals and Predacons.
'Robots in Disguise'
In 2001, the US got a new animated Transformers series called robots in
Disguise. In it, Optimus Prime is living undercover on Earth as a fire
engine,a nd he and hsi crew appear as needed to fight the vilanous predacon
Megatron- who may-or-may-not be the original Megatron. One of the earliest
episodes has a human recognising Optimus as 'Optimus Prime,' and there are many
refrences to the origina cartoon series, including one fairly explicit one to a
character who appeared in only 1 episode of the original cartoon- and was now
dead. As a rule, RiD appears to take place some time 'after' G1. But it
fits... poorly.
The PROBLEM is, that the series we know as RiD was called 'Car Robots' in
Japan. Instead of Optimus Prime, and Megatron it had 'Fire Convoy' and
'Gigatron.' it had characters inspired by and based on Optimus Prime, Prowl,
and Ultra Magnus- who were not intended to actually BE them. In the US, the
series was redubebd AS them, and chaos ensued. While Car Robots was explicitly
set in the year 2000 (making it an 'AU' or 'alternate universe' tale that could
not be fit into the original series) RiD in the states removes and explicit
time, and inserted refrences tot he G1 cartoon somehow taking place before it.
Of course, when RidMegatron became galvatron, no one mentioned it
happening before either. Rid fits in messily, but the best guess is that it
happens in some sort of alternate world where it follows the first 2 seasons of
the cartoon- the movie never happened, and the Decepticons were defeated and
became Predacons inbetween.
'Armada'
Transfomers: Armada is airing noew on cartoon network. It's a japanes
series, which is being dubed over to hear 3 months before it airs for the first
time in japan. (Wierd, no?) it's dub is mich maligned, it had a horrible
premiere, but the series is improving. Armada is an UTTERLY alternate
timeline. Optimsu Prime and Megatron never crash one arth, but arrive here in
the present day for the first time. Prime and Starscream are intended to be
their original characters, the jury is still out on Megatron.
So to simplify...
G1
JP G1 series
Beast Wars series (and Beast Machines.)
These are all generally thought of as a continuium.
RiD and Armada sort of stand alone, though RiD might kinda-sorta follow up
the original cartoon.
Oh, and I SHOULD mention 'the rebirth' is technicly not a mini-movie, but
constitutes a very short, 3-episode season 4. It's easier to explain as a
mini-movie though, as opposed to Japan having a DIFFERENT season 4.
(Especially since Japan didn't have a season 3- season 3 was considered it's
own series, released with little intro explanation and an entire cast changed
over without the movie being released, despire clearly taking palce after the
original series.) I just mention it here, so someone doesn't jump in an
correct me, confusing you. Ignore this paragraph.
Does this sound confusing? Transfans gave up. Add to that comic books
for G1, G2, UK and US comics telling different things, a 1-shot episode in
Japan set after season 2 but before the movie which ended oin a cliffhanger,
but cannot possibly 'fit' with the series... it's all an insane mish-mash that
fans are trying to start as a 'mythology,' freely drawing elements from
multiple versions, thought he original cartoon still remains the 'most correct'
version.
...did I mention the transformers had a God? And Unicron was actually
Satan? this despite a season 3 episode giving a DIFFERENT origin for Unicron?
There's a comic book miniseries running right now called 'the War Within.'
It's all about Optimus Prime's early days as a commander on Cybertron. It's
based heavily on UK-exclusive text stories, while the chain of events
surrounding him becoming Prime appears to adhere to RiD's soometimes
contradictory explanations of the events. It's a migh-mash continuity,
unconstrained by anything it contradicts with, taking the best of each world.
Both the Dinobots and the Constructicons were on Cybertron millions of years
ago. (it's one or the other in comics or cartoon universes.)
G1 is out in some fairly expensive DVD boxed sets right now. I'd
reccomend picking up, or renting, the season 2 boxed set. Rhino (who's
releaseing them) is working theouh the series fairly quickly, so dont' worry
about trying to track down the Japanese series until we see what they do when
they hit the end of season 3.
Beast Wars is excellent, but should really be viewed as a whole. Only the
first 12 or so episodes are out on DVD right now, and it began somewhat
shakily. Ignore Beast Machines until you're hardcore. Most of the joy it
contains is refrences to lots of past stuff.
-Derik
"You have zero talent. Give up writing." -Yuki Eiri, Gravitation
The Spychangers are now the largest TF sub-group ever, outnumbering all
the other Autobots in RiD.
I probably don't care what you think.
ma...@attcanada.ca
> Beast Wars is excellent, but should really be viewed as a whole. Only the
> first 12 or so episodes are out on DVD right now, and it began somewhat
> shakily. Ignore Beast Machines until you're hardcore. Most of the joy it
> contains is refrences to lots of past stuff.
21 episodes on 3 discs in Canada, though. However, Rhino will probably catch up and
overtake that number if Alliance continues their trend of releasing one volume per
year. At this rate, the entire Beast Wars series (excluding Beast Machines) should
be available in Canada by 2007.
npk
> Also, just so you know, even within the G1 continuity, Prime's death wasn't
> permanent. He was ressurected during the television season that came after the
> movie, so it's theoretically possible for him to be alive during future series
> that take place after G1.
...and in the comics Prime died practically every other page! ;)
-npk
descentr
Thanks for the clarification. Man, I never realized how big
Transformers was and has become. One question though, why the
recommendation to rent season 2 instead of starting with season 1?
Thanks again,
descentr
Zobovor the Invisible Man
>One question though, why the recommendation to rent season 2
>instead of starting with season 1?
For starters, because the first-season DVD is incomplete. Rhino's version of
the episode is littered with unfinished animation and missing sound elements.
As a result, some episodes are merely weird, while others are positively
unwatchable. Your mileage may vary, of course.
Chris McFeely
However, if you're into importing stuff, and have a DVD player that'll
handle region 2 DVDs, you might want to invest in the UK release of season
1, by a different company called Maverick, which used complete versions of
the episodes (but did include Rhino's 5.1 audio track, which has extra sound
elements added).
Chris
dojj
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and apart from the annoying "robot/computer" screen changes instead of the
classic "decepticon/autobot spinning logo" screen change, nothing wrong with
them
(though some of them DO have no credits and some have full credits rolling
in both start up and closing sequences)
G.B.Blackrock
> (The US and UK also had comic book series about the G1 story, which
> continued after season 3, and diverged quite a bit, as they never skipped
> froward for the movie, but introduced all the characters in the year 1986
> instead. We'll ignore the comic for these purposes- it is also refered to as
> 'G1'.)
> Does this sound confusing? Transfans gave up. Add to that comic books
> for G1, G2, UK and US comics telling different things, a 1-shot episode in
> Japan set after season 2 but before the movie which ended oin a cliffhanger,
> but cannot possibly 'fit' with the series... it's all an insane mish-mash that
> fans are trying to start as a 'mythology,' freely drawing elements from
> multiple versions, thought he original cartoon still remains the 'most correct'
> version.
> ...did I mention the transformers had a God? And Unicron was actually
> Satan? this despite a season 3 episode giving a DIFFERENT origin for Unicron?
>
I can't stand by and allow my much beloved comic to be given such
short shrift and inaccurate representation.
The G1 comic was NEVER, at any point, intended to be the same
continuity as the cartoon (implied, but not stated, above). Also, to
call the cartoon either "original" (the comic appeared first) or "most
correct" is a slap in the face to those of us who find the comic just
as correct an interpretation of G1 Transformers.
Please let the original comic be known as an example of Transformers,
without subjugating it to the undisputed mass awareness of the
cartoon.
My two cents,
G.B. Blackrock
Blacknife
> A short while ago, I saw that Transformers Armada was airing on
> Cartoon network. That brought back memories from my youth and so I
> now record it for my son. I enjoyed the original series and had some
> of the original toys, but don't really remember the story line all
> that well.
There's a lot of info on sites. You can try here: http://www.bwtf.com
as a start.
> I have been reading posts here to try and catch up, but seem to be
> more confused than ever. I see references to G1, RiD, Armada, and a
> few others.
G1 refers to the original series. Beast Wars and Beast Machines occured
after it. BW/BM is what Trek The Next Generation was to to the
original. RID refers to a dubbed Japanese series and toys, brought
here as "filler" until Armada..
>Are all these series in some sort of order, related, or
> do they just pick up whereever they want?
This is the hard part, and welcome to great myriad of opinions.
Esssentially only those related: G1 {original}, Beast Wars, and Beast
Machines
RID and Armada are essentially alternate universes. So they aren't
really the same Primes and Megatrons you grew up with...just alternate
versions of them.
>I was in a video store and
> saw the movie and bought it on an impulse. My son and I enjoyed it,
> but I was surprised to see Prime die, since he is alive in Armada.
>
Tell your son that it isn't the same Prime. He's a...er...brother?
I'm sure you'll have fun telling him about alternate dimensions ;-)
> I am considering buying the first season of the orginal transformers,
> but if the Armada series is going to release a set (region 1) anytime
> soon I may wait. Is there a synopsis of the series somewhere I can
> get all this straight?
Again, a good starting point is http://www.bwtf.com
>
> Thanks in advance,
> descentr
Mark Brown
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*SNIP*
> Beast Machines takes place right after Beast Wars, returning to
Cybertron
> in their own time, ,the Maximals discover Megatron (namesake- not the G1
one)
> has taken over. They spend 26 episodes fightign a post-apocalyptic war on
> cybertron. This action-based series is much maligned by fans for thin or
bad
> characterization, and a plot that went nowhere. (they were, except for
adding
> 2 team mebers, basicl yin the same spot in episode 23 that they were in
episode
> 2.) Since all the episodes were tied to the series overplot, and everyone
> hated the overplot, the series kinda... sucks.
Your mileage may vary, of course; I ~like~ Beast Machines. ^_^
You just have to remember that BM (set about 300 years after G1) effectively
marks The End of the Transformers as we know them. The survivors are
something completely new, and while there ~could~ be post-BM adventures (and
probably very interesting ones). . . they wouldn't truly be "Transformers"
anymore.
*SNIP*
> Beast Wars is excellent, but should really be viewed as a whole.
Only the
> first 12 or so episodes are out on DVD right now, and it began somewhat
> shakily. Ignore Beast Machines until you're hardcore. Most of the joy it
> contains is refrences to lots of past stuff.
*SNIP*
Or if you're really into cyberpunk and the whole CGI thing.
Mark
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That sounds like the Generation 2 box set. There's also a G1 box set,
I think.
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dojj
we now have a R1, an R2 and a possible R (australia region) movie out
will they all be different in some small way just so that everyone will have
to shell out on multiregion players to watch (and own) them all?
Chris McFeely
> and apart from the annoying "robot/computer" screen changes instead of the
> classic "decepticon/autobot spinning logo" screen change, nothing wrong
with
> them
(though some of them DO have no credits and some have full credits rolling
> in both start up and closing sequences)
All the episodes on the R2 box set have the classic spinning logo scene
change, and they all have opening and closing credits (though some have no
text, and a few are from season two). I'm not sure what R2 set you've got...
there is no G2 box set, either...
Chris
dojj
the only TF i'm intrested in are the original cartoon versions
right from the very start with bumble bee and co fleeing from thundercracker
and co to the end when lord zarac and galvatron look evil
as far as i know these are all G1 but divided into 4 series arcs
the first one is season 1
then you get the same in season 2
season 3 is after the movie
and season 4 is the headmasters thing
i've got R1 movie
uk video of the movie
season 1 on dvd individual
season 1 on dvd box set
and am waiting for the first part of season 2 to arrive
i also have them all on vcd
and that's as far as my fasination goes
the toys, beast wars, the comics (apart from the ones that are coming out
now) the rest of it, i don't really want to know
ok, thats my little soap box over with :)
> Chris
>
>
Chris McFeely
> the only TF i'm intrested in are the original cartoon versions
> right from the very start with bumble bee and co fleeing from
thundercracker
> and co to the end when lord zarac and galvatron look evil
>
> as far as i know these are all G1 but divided into 4 series arcs
> the first one is season 1
> then you get the same in season 2
> season 3 is after the movie
> and season 4 is the headmasters thing
Yes, all of that's correct. This is the series I was talking about, and
everything I described is the way the Maverick Entertainment release of the
box set of season 1 is. I don't know what set you've got if episodes are
missing credits and contain scene changes of a "robot/computer" and not the
"decepticon/autobot spinning logo."
> and am waiting for the first part of season 2 to arrive
If it ever will... I desperately hope Maverick will do away with releasing
the weak individual discs, and just do a box set right from the get-go. Of
course, there's that pesky rumour that they lost the lisence...
Chris
thetransformerscollector
i dont know about all that alternate reality stiuff, i look at rid as
diferent transformers set on earth while g1 continues on cybertron,
remember everybody left earth at the end of g1 so the ones form rid,
in my opinion, are maybe cousins of the otehrs, prime is maybe a
diferent prime and magnus too. thats how i look at it though.
thetransformerscollector
by the way i hated ALL beast stuff and armada.
dojj
> > forgive me for confusing anyone here
> > the only TF i'm intrested in are the original cartoon versions
> > right from the very start with bumble bee and co fleeing from
> thundercracker
> > and co to the end when lord zarac and galvatron look evil
> >
> > as far as i know these are all G1 but divided into 4 series arcs
> > the first one is season 1
> > then you get the same in season 2
> > season 3 is after the movie
> > and season 4 is the headmasters thing
>
> Yes, all of that's correct. This is the series I was talking about, and
> everything I described is the way the Maverick Entertainment release of
the
> box set of season 1 is. I don't know what set you've got if episodes are
> missing credits and contain scene changes of a "robot/computer" and not
the
> "decepticon/autobot spinning logo."
>
it's that the credits that normally roll wih the intro scren and with the
end music are no longer there on some of the discs
you get pure unadulterated cartoon from start to finish :)
(with only the title appearing)
> > and am waiting for the first part of season 2 to arrive
>
> If it ever will... I desperately hope Maverick will do away with releasing
> the weak individual discs, and just do a box set right from the get-go. Of
> course, there's that pesky rumour that they lost the lisence...
>
getting the R1 version from dvd something dot com
someone gave me the link, it was on there, they ship for free, and they are
in canada :)
> Chris
>
>
Tigerpaw28
It certainly does Zob. I'm only aware of a few problems with the
Season 1 set. Do you have some type of list? I'd love to find out what
the problems were.
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Zobovor the Invisible Man
>It certainly does Zob. I'm only aware of a few problems with the
>Season 1 set. Do you have some type of list? I'd love to find out what
>the problems were.
I do, 'smatter of fact. Here's a copy of the list I sent to Rhino. (They
weren't aware of *any* of these errors, as it turned out.) Note that I've not
seen the first-season set myself; this list was constructed based on posts
other fans have made that I found on Google. A poster named Alex Talpur did
most of the legwork, here. (Scroll down to "Heavy Metal War" if you want to
see the worst of the incomplete episode elements.)
"More Than Meets the Eye" part 2:
The broadcast version actually has an error that Rhino's version does
not. In the broadcast-version recap of part 1, there's a blue tractor beam
coming out of the Decepticon space cruiser. Rhino's version has a
purple tractor beam, since they used footage from the finished episode.
"More Than Meets the Eye" part 3:
Again, the same phenomenon with the recap and the blue vs. purple
tractor beams. Also, in the Rhino version, near the end of the episode
as Starscream prepares to usurp Megatron, there's a scene where the
background of the Decepticon space cruiser interior is missing.
"Divide and Conquer":
Broadcast version: The coordinates symbol which Shockwave
transmits, giving the location of the space bridge, appears over a plain
blue background.
Rhino version: The symbol appears over the space bridge receiver
background Shockwave had previously been standing in front of.
Broadcast version: When Megatron orders the Decepticons to return to
base for further orders, Starscream is colored correctly.
Rhino version: Starscream is colored like Thundercracker in this
sequence.
"Fire in the Sky"
Broadcast version: In the opening scene, we see that it is snowing.
Rhino version: The snow is falling UP instead of down.
Broadcast version: The camera zooms out as Optimus is watching
Teletraan I's monitor.
Rhino version: The camera remains static in this shot.
Broadcast version: Skyfire is not wearing an insignia until the
Decepticons make him one of their own, and he wears a purple
Decepticon symbol until the end of the episode when he renounces his
allegiance.
Rhino version: There are numerous scenes (six or seven of them) where
Skyfire is wearing a red Decepticon symbol, is drawn incomplete, or
doesn't have his symbol at all.
Broadcast version: As the Autobots are searching for their missing part
members in the ice tunnel, Bumblebee rejoins Prime's search party.
Rhino version: The background and cels were not aligned properly,
resulting in Bumblebee hovering above the ground. You can see the
edge of the cel on which Prime and the others were painted, and the
painting of Prime's trailer is visibly incomplete.
Broadcast version: Prime reverses direction and connects with his trailer
before driving off.
Rhino version: Prime reverses direction for no reason and drives off
without his trailer. (There appears to be some print damage to the
broadcast version, so Rhino may not want to substitute the original
scene back in.) His trailer is still missing when the Autobots drive up to
the recently-freed Spike and Sparkplug.
Broadcast version: Starscream blasts Skyfire and proclaims him a
traitor.
Rhino version: Starscream's null ray is missing.
"S.O.S. Dinobots":
Broadcast version: At the beginning, the scanner display on Ironhide's
chest reveals the presence of a dinosaur skull surrounded by rock.
Rhino version: His display shows the dinosaur skull, but no rock detail
is surrounding it.
Broadcast version: During the first test of the Dinobots, they fire laser
beams from their mouth/eyes/horns to clear away some rubble, which
glows and then disintegrates before our eyes.
Rhino version: The Dinobots stand there, don't fire any lasers, and the
rocks glow but refuse to disintegrate--to which Optimus Prime responds,
"Very impressive." :)
Broadcast version: The Autobots arrive at the Great Falls and transform
to robot mode.
Rhino version: Somebody looped the film in backwards, so Bluestreak
arrives and then transforms from robot to vehicle mode.
Original version: Starscream shoots the generators at the dam, shutting
them down.
Rhino version: The beam Starscream is supposed to be firing is coming
out of mid-air, to the left of Starscream.
Also, there's an element in the Rhino version that isn't present in the
broadcast episode. In the Rhino version, when Megatron arrives and
lands at the dam, we see a rainbow in front of him. (I'm told that in the
Panini sticker album, the sticker for this scene actually does show the
rainbow, so obviously they broadcasted an unfinished version of this
scene.)
"Fire on the Mountain":
Broadcast version: In the opening scene, we see an overhead shot with
Trailbreaker in vehicle mode.
Rhino version: Trailbreaker's colored entirely red, like Ironhide.
Broadcast version: Skywarp is summoned by Megatron, and taunts
Starscream about having to guard the crystal of power.
Rhino version: Skywarp is colored like Thundercracker in this scene.
Broadcast version: Thundercracker and Skywarp grab the unconscious
Skyfire and place him inside the Incan temple.
Rhino version: Skyfire is colored like SkyWARP in this scene.
Broadcast version: In the following shot, Starscream (later joined by
Megatron) is standing over Skyfire triumphantly.
Rhino version: Starscream is colored like Thundercracker in this scene.
"War of the Dinobots":
Broadcast version: When the Dinobots start talking about usurping
Optimus Prime, Sludge just stands there stupidly until Slag asks for his
opinion.
Rhino version: When the camera cuts to Sludge, he starts moving his
mouth along to Slag's words, then delivers his own line as usual.
Broadcast version: Starscream warns Megatron that Grimlock will never
willingly betray Optimus Prime.
Rhino version: Starscream is colored like Thundercracker in this scene.
Broadcast version: After Prime saves Grimlock's life, Grimlock moves
toward the Decepticons and proclaims, "Bad Megatron!"
Rhino version: Starscream's colored like Thundercracker again.
"The Ultimate Doom" part 1:
Broadcast version: A computer display shows the energy being collected by the
solar panels at the Maharajah's palace.
Rhino version: The backlighting for the computer display is missing, so
the readout isn't glowing.
Broadcast version: Bumblebee talks with Wheeljack after trying to
console Spike over Sparkplug's capture.
Rhino version: The fins on Wheeljack's head don't flash when he speaks.
Broadcast version: Hound projects an image detailing Prowl's rescue
plan, showns with dark lines over a solid yellow background.
Rhino version: The hologram shows white outlines over a translucent
yellow background. (I'm not sure, but I think this was the intended
effect.)
Broadcast version: The Decepticon jets are (very easily) fooled by
Megatron's fake model of Optimus Prime and prepare to attack.
Rhino version: Starscream and Skywarp's color schemes are swapped
in this scene.
Broadcast version: Starscream falls into the hole in the floor of
Decepticon Headquarters, and emerges dripping wet. (The water stops
moving in mid-drip near the end of the scene, though.)
Rhino version: Starscream's not wet at all.
Broadcast version: Dr. Archeville tells the zombie Sparkplug to only try to
repair the Autobots who are actually injured.
Rhino version: Archeville's mouth hangs open the whole time he's
speaking.
"The Ultimate Doom" part 3:
The Rhino version contains a number of scenes in which Shockwave's
eye doesn't flash when he speaks. Some fans have observed that Rhino
themselves added an overlay to compensate for this, but their work is
quite noticeable. (There's also another scene in which Wheeljack's side
fins aren't flashing, for example, but when Rhino added the overlay, they
only made the center of his fins flash instead of the entire thing).
Broadcast version: Mirage turns invisible, sneaks inside the Decepticon
starship, and after he becomes visible again, the human slave boarding
the craft turns around to leave.
Rhino version: This scene was reconstructed by Rhino themselves. In
the new version of this scene, footage taken from the 1" master is used
showing Mirage reappearing inside the starship. The image is then
immediately paused, resulting in no further movement from the slave,
and an image of Mirage is overlaid (badly) onto the picture. (It is
speculated that Rhino did this because the film elements they were
using were incomplete, but they didn't want to simply substitute the
scene from the 1" master because the picture quality was too poor.)
"A Plague of Insecticons":
Broadcast version: Bumblebee and Spike board Skyfire to depart for
Bali.
Rhino version: As the doors to Skyfire's hatch close, Bumblebee and
Spike can still be seen in front of the doors.
Broadcast version: Wheeljack flies up to assist Skyfire in dealing with the
Insecticons, but is promptly shot down.
Rhino version: Wheeljack's side fins aren't flashing at any point when he
speaks.
Broadcast version: Shrapnel uses his electronic control beams to
assume control of Sideswipe and Sunstreaker.
Rhino version: At one point, the beams are there, but Shrapnel is
missing.
Broadcast version: There are storm clouds all around as Shrapnel is
struck by lightning and threatens the Autobots.
Rhino version: There's a clear blue sky behind Shrapnel, and the
animation of his mouth moving is delayed so that it doesn't match up
with his dialogue. (The sky is also blue in two other scenes where it
should be dark and cloudy, as it was in the broadcast version.)
"Heavy Metal War":
Broadcast version: After the Constructicons steal the needed
components, we see Bonecrusher, Long Haul, and Mixmaster transform
to robot mode.
Rhino version: The camera doesn't pan up to meet the Constructicons'
faces when they transform, so after they switch to robot mode, we're left
staring at their feet.
Broadcast version: Back at the base, Long Haul transforms back to
dump truck mode to demonstrate the capture of the needed
components.
Rhino version: The components are still in his truck bed, but they
appear to be an overlay added by Rhino, and pop up out of nowhere.
Broadcast version: Hook and Scavenger can be seen working on the
strength transfer machine before the camera pans over to Megatron and
Starscream, standing in front of it.
Rhino version: The camera is on Megatron and Starscream for the
duration of this scene, resulting in the two just standing there for several
seconds.
Broadcast version: Cliffjumper spots Megatron approaching Autobot HQ
and fires his glass gas.
Rhino version: Cliffjumper's color yellow in this scene, like Bumblebee.
Broadcast version: After Megatron explains he's come to talk, Optimus
orders that the Autobots cease fire, and Megatron lands gracefully.
Rhino version: Rhino slipped in another shot of the miscolored
Cliffjumper again, and replaced Megatron's landing with footage from later
in the episode during his battle with Optimus.
Broadcast version: After Megatron has proposed the duel, the camera
pans across from Cliffjumper, then to Prime, and finally Wheeljack as
the Autobots discuss this proposal.
Rhino version: Rhino apparently attempted to reconstruct this scene
themselves; the camera starts on Cliffjumper, but doesn't pan across,
and then a still image of Wheeljack to the right of Optimus is shown,
with overlays added to create the effect of his side fins flashing.
Broadcast version: Scrapper opens the doors to the strength transfer
machine's exchange furnace.
Rhino version: The lights from the furnace are merely drawn in, not yet
having gotten the backlighting treatment.
Broadcast version: The camera pans down as Starscream opens his chest and
removes his power chip rectifier, a small glowing object.
Rhino version: Some different footage is used here, with Starscream
further away from the camera and the power chip is apparently so small
as to be invisible.
Broadcast version: Inside the Decepticon base, Scrapper's eyes glow
before he and the other Constructicons transform and head for Autobot
Headquarters.
Rhino version: Scrapper's eyes don't glow, and the Constructicons
transform in front of an exterior background apparently outside Autobot
HQ. Scavenger, Mixmaster, and Long Haul aren't even standing on the ground
when they transform, and Mixmaster is wobbling forward and
backward as he drives off.
Broadcast version: The Autobots transform to robot mode after arriving at the
site of Prime and Megatron's duel.
Rhino version: Ironhide transforms from robot to vehicle mode after he
arrives.
Broadcast version: Optimus throws a rock at Megatron, who responds
by teleporting, glowing for an instant before he vanishes from sight.
Rhino version: Optimus throws the rock at Megatron, who responds by
hovering in mid-air and glowing for a moment as the rock passes through
his body.
Broadcast version: Skywarp brags about the powers his rectifier chip
grants him.
Rhino version: Skywarp is colored like Starscream, and is sitting right
next to Starscream to boot.
Broadcast version: Megatron floats to the ground during the battle and
blasts Prime.
Rhino version: No blast is seen, and Prime's right side starts smoking
for no adequate reason. ("But his weapon didn't fire!" "We'll draw the
rays on the film later. You know, special effects!")
Broadcast version: Just as Megatron is about to deliver the final blast,
Chip, Spike, and Sparkplug look on in disbelief.
Rhino version: The animation used is different, with Chip and friends
being drawn very off-model.
Broadcast version: The camera pans from Megatron to Prime as
Megatron fires, causing Prime to fall to the ground.
Rhino version: The camera pans more slowly, and instead of Prime
being shot, a scene from earlier in the battle is used of Prime being hit in
the chest.
Broadcast version: Spike remarks that Prime is barely functional.
Rhino version: Again, different animation, with Spike again being drawn
way off-model.
Broadcast version: The Constructicons appear before what is apparently
Teletraan I's brain, which the camera zooms up to.
Rhino version: The film and master tape seem to have been combined to
create this a composite image of this shot. Rhino apparently had a
scene of the Constructicons, but not Teletraan's brain, so they spliced
the footage together.
Broadcast version: After the Dinobots awaken, they drive the
Constructicons back through the breach in the volcano wall.
Rhino version: Part of the right wall is missing, revealing an incomplete
drawing of Scavenger's legs, which would have been covered by the wall.
Broadcast version: The camera zooms in on Chip as he and Spike
notice that there was something peculiar about Megatron's duel with
Prime.
Rhino version: Again, different footage, with Chip and Spike being drawn
slightly off-model.
Broadcast version: The Dinobots transform, and Sludge fires lasers from his
eyes at the Constructicons.
Rhino version: Sludge's eye lasers are missing.
</errors list>
Obviously, if you've never seen any of these episodes before, you're liable to
simply dismiss a lot of the problems as having already been there. It ain't
easy to distinguish between the "proper" errors, i.e., mistakes that *did* make
it into the broadcast version (Prime being colored entirely blue during one
scene in "S.O.S. Dinobots comes to mind) and the "wrong" errors, the mistakes
that are brand-new for all intents and purposes. Still, I don't consider the
DVD release to be the definitive version of the episodes by any means.
Somebody over on ATTCM recently tried to cite Cliffjumper standing on Skyfire's
grave as an example of how the Autobots didn't really care about him, not
realizing that this did *not* happen in the episode in the finished, broadcast
version that the entire world actually saw back in 1984.
Pyre
>
> I do, 'smatter of fact. Here's a copy of the list I sent to Rhino. (They
> weren't aware of *any* of these errors, as it turned out.)
Do you know if Rhino has any plans to fix these errors or are we just SOL
as far as good Season 1 DVDs go?
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>Do you know if Rhino has any plans to fix these errors or are we just
>SOL as far as good Season 1 DVDs go?
I strongly suggested to them the idea of issuing a corrected first-season set
(or at the *very* least, including a normal version of "Heavy Metal War" on the
second-season set as an Easter egg of sorts) but they didn't go for it. C'est
la vie.
Jordan L Derber
Chris McFeely <ma...@troy49.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>However, if you're into importing stuff, and have a DVD player that'll
>handle region 2 DVDs, you might want to invest in the UK release of season
>1, by a different company called Maverick, which used complete versions of
>the episodes (but did include Rhino's 5.1 audio track, which has extra sound
>elements added).
Is there a separate track where the new SFX are not present? I was
planning on getting this box set, but I may pass if I'd have to put up
with those damn sounds Rhino added.
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Subtitler and Co-Organizer of the Japanese TF episode fansubbing project
e-mail: jsdst5 at pitt.edu
Chris McFeely
> planning on getting this box set, but I may pass if I'd have to put up
> with those damn sounds Rhino added.
Nope, sorry. I really don't think the sounds are that bad, though - some of
them border on cool. But maybe that's just me. ^^;
Chris (at least, I'm ASSUMING it's Rhino's track, because it contains
various sounds that aren't in the original releases, and some examples of
Rhino's sounds that I've found match up with what I hear on the R2 set).
Jordan L Derber
Chris McFeely <ma...@troy49.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>Nope, sorry. I really don't think the sounds are that bad, though - some of
>them border on cool. But maybe that's just me. ^^;
>
>Chris (at least, I'm ASSUMING it's Rhino's track, because it contains
>various sounds that aren't in the original releases, and some examples of
>Rhino's sounds that I've found match up with what I hear on the R2 set).
Oh well, guess I'll get the individual releases, then. The extras in the
box set aren't that special, are they?
Chris McFeely
> box set aren't that special, are they?
FFoD part one, Rebirth part one (put on there to pimp the fact that both
miniseries were the next DVD releases), character profiles, commercial
bumpers from season one, FFoD, Rebirth, Headmasters and G2, lots of toy
commercials, including Japanese ones, a gallery of classic quotes, a fan art
gallery, the Japanese promo trailer for TFTM, Sunbow's original synopsis
card used to advertise the series, a fan-made trivia quiz with three pieces
of bonus footage, and the original dialogue scripts for all three parts of
MTMTE.
The extras were the reason I *got* the set. ^^;; I have the original
releases already, and got all narked when the box set was released with all
those extras, for only *two-thirds* of the price it costs to buy the
individual releases.
Do as you will. ^^
Chris
Jordan L Derber
Chris McFeely <ma...@troy49.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>FFoD part one, Rebirth part one (put on there to pimp the fact that both
>miniseries were the next DVD releases), character profiles, commercial
>bumpers from season one, FFoD, Rebirth, Headmasters and G2, lots of toy
>commercials, including Japanese ones, a gallery of classic quotes, a fan art
>gallery, the Japanese promo trailer for TFTM, Sunbow's original synopsis
>card used to advertise the series, a fan-made trivia quiz with three pieces
>of bonus footage, and the original dialogue scripts for all three parts of
>MTMTE.
Bwargh. The extras on there make Rhino's look even more pathetic. Guess
I'll have to get the box set just for the extras as well, I hate it when I
do that...
Oh well, looks like the individual releases don't go for much on
ebay.co.uk, unless you or someone you know would be willing to part with
them.
Thanks for the info.
Chris McFeely
I also neglected to mention that each disc contains a full (if brief)
synopsis guide for it's respective episodes. The fourth discs also contains
a guide for all parts of FFoD and the Rebirth, rather than just the single
episodes the disc contains.
Just so you have the full picture, though, the set does have it's problems -
I've heard from many that it's picture quality isn't as good as Rhino's (I
don't have the Rhino set myself, y'see), not just limited to sharpness, but
also the odd flicker or bit of speckling.
Five of the episodes have season two's opening animation - not Maverick's
fault, though. The episodes (MTMTE, Roll for It, Heavy Metal War) had an
alternate opening sequence attached to them created after the third season
aired, which comprised season two animation and season three music. This
sequence is intact on the individual releases, but because of the different
audio track on the box set, the third season music is replaced with the
correct season one music (this makes me think even more than they use
Rhino's track, because Maverick are not the brightest of buttons, and
probably wouldn't KNOW to replace the music if they did the audio
themselves). Roll For It and Heavy Metal War also have season two's closing
credits to go along with the opening (not MTMTE, which has it's own
exclusive sequence still intact).
MTMTE is missing a second or two of footage after it's second commercial
(Ratchet and Cliffjumper arriving). This was the same on the individual
release disc - I assume it's because it was damaged
beyond Maverick's repair. All the other episodes have their animation intact
(no snow falling up here, matey!).
The toy commercials are great an' all, but there aren't any US ones for the
cartoon years of the toyline - it's all Pretenders, Actionmasters,
Micromasters, and a heap of G2 stuff. There are some Japanese season one
ads, though. I'm not sure that this is a PROBLEM, per se... but, just
thought I'd point it out. /:)
At places in the profiles and episode guides, the writing style is rather
basic and unprofessional. The profiles are mostly lifted from Tech specs and
TFU entries, so it's not as regular with them (though they choose some silly
examples to hilight voice actors' other work (eg: Welker as Abu - a million
to pick from, and they choose Abu...) I'm led to believe these sections were
actually written by fans, as the quiz was made by one, the packaging is
painted by one, and the fan art gallery is... well, you get me.
Also, it seems Maverick didn't do anything to clean up two of the three
bonus footage pieces on the quiz, as there's a li'l bar o' static across the
bottom of them.
>Oh well, looks like the individual releases don't go for much on
>ebay.co.uk, unless you or someone you know would be willing to part with
>them.
I WAS originally going to try and get shot of my inidividual releases, but
when I discovered the box set had the altered audio, I decided to keep 'em
after all. I could never compare the differences if I didn't. :)
Oh, and here's something else - order the set on Play.com. It'll only set
you back £17.99, instead of the RRP of £29.99. ^^
Chris
Jordan L Derber
Chris McFeely <ma...@troy49.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>Just so you have the full picture, though, the set does have it's problems -
>I've heard from many that it's picture quality isn't as good as Rhino's (I
>don't have the Rhino set myself, y'see), not just limited to sharpness, but
>also the odd flicker or bit of speckling.
Yeah, I figured they wouldn't look as good since the eps weren't
remastered, but I'm willing to forgo that in favor of having the episodes
without a maw full of animation errors that weren't in the original
versions.
>
>Five of the episodes have season two's opening animation - not Maverick's
>fault, though. The episodes (MTMTE, Roll for It, Heavy Metal War) had an
>alternate opening sequence attached to them created after the third season
>aired, which comprised season two animation and season three music. This
>sequence is intact on the individual releases, but because of the different
>audio track on the box set, the third season music is replaced with the
>correct season one music (this makes me think even more than they use
>Rhino's track, because Maverick are not the brightest of buttons, and
>probably wouldn't KNOW to replace the music if they did the audio
>themselves). Roll For It and Heavy Metal War also have season two's closing
>credits to go along with the opening (not MTMTE, which has it's own
>exclusive sequence still intact).
Any problems with the OPs and EDs aren't that big of a deal for me.
>
>MTMTE is missing a second or two of footage after it's second commercial
>(Ratchet and Cliffjumper arriving). This was the same on the individual
>release disc - I assume it's because it was damaged
>beyond Maverick's repair.
Hmm, not really thrilled to hear that, but I've got the Japanese R2 sets,
so as long as there's no missing dialogue, it's not that big of a deal.
>The toy commercials are great an' all, but there aren't any US ones for the
>cartoon years of the toyline - it's all Pretenders, Actionmasters,
>Micromasters, and a heap of G2 stuff.
Oh, sweet, I'd buy the box set even if it only had just those extras.
I've got alot of the early commercials on DVD from the Japanese sets (both
US and Japanese, and some US ones dubbed in Japanese...), but having the
later commercials on DVD would be awesome, as you get to see characters
animated that never appeared elsewhere. (Not counting the Japanese shows
since those usually aren't the same characters and have different, albeit
more toy-accurate, character designs)
There are some Japanese season one
>ads, though. I'm not sure that this is a PROBLEM, per se... but, just
>thought I'd point it out. /:)
>
>At places in the profiles and episode guides, the writing style is rather
>basic and unprofessional. The profiles are mostly lifted from Tech specs and
>TFU entries, so it's not as regular with them (though they choose some silly
>examples to hilight voice actors' other work (eg: Welker as Abu - a million
>to pick from, and they choose Abu...) I'm led to believe these sections were
>actually written by fans, as the quiz was made by one, the packaging is
>painted by one, and the fan art gallery is... well, you get me.
Ah well, it's pretty much stuff I've had memorized since I was a little
brat, and having the Japanese sets and their beautiful jacket art makes up
for any lack in that department.
>Oh, and here's something else - order the set on Play.com. It'll only set
>you back £17.99, instead of the RRP of £29.99. ^^
Hmm, you sure they ship to the US? I placed an order, but didn't see any
listing for the US under the Country pull-down menu. So I put "USA" in
the last address line and chose "Jersey" as the country, since New Jersey
is the state to the west of where I live...
Oh, BTW, does the Japanese trailer for The Movie you mentioned contain
any of the unused footage, such as the extra shots of Unicron and the
Diaclone-colored Ultra Magnus scene?
Farrell
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> Oh, BTW, does the Japanese trailer for The Movie you mentioned contain
> any of the unused footage, such as the extra shots of Unicron and the
> Diaclone-colored Ultra Magnus scene?
>
that's the one...
with the kana subtitles and all
it's basically the same trailer that's doing the rounds on the net, but
slightly better quality (ie, still grainy)
I like how the subtitles give more info on the voice actors, though...
"Star Trek's Leonard Nimoy"
"Under Cover's (I think) Robert Stack"
"Saint Elmo's Fire's Judd Nelson"
etc
gotta love how it gives the whole game away though...
"and at the film's end, when the monstrous planet Unicron, played by Orson
Welles, reveals it's long held secret by transforming into the most
gigantic robot ever!"
finally...the 'matrix' hung round Galvy's neck is great...
a glowing outline of a rugby/Merkin football with a pink nit in the bottom
:o)
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Chris McFeely
> remastered, but I'm willing to forgo that in favor of having the episodes
> without a maw full of animation errors that weren't in the original
> versions.
My thoughts exactly.
> Any problems with the OPs and EDs aren't that big of a deal for me.
Yeah, same here, but I kinda wish they could have fixed 'em, just for the
sake of a greater sense of unity within the set.
> Hmm, not really thrilled to hear that, but I've got the Japanese R2 sets,
> so as long as there's no missing dialogue, it's not that big of a deal.
No missing dialogue, anyway.
> Oh, sweet, I'd buy the box set even if it only had just those extras.
> I've got alot of the early commercials on DVD from the Japanese sets (both
> US and Japanese, and some US ones dubbed in Japanese...), but having the
> later commercials on DVD would be awesome, as you get to see characters
> animated that never appeared elsewhere. (Not counting the Japanese shows
> since those usually aren't the same characters and have different, albeit
> more toy-accurate, character designs)
They are quite fun. :D And the number of those icky "rap" commercials is
limited just to Combat Megs and Prime. "Prime is one tough dude/underneath
his hood...."
> Ah well, it's pretty much stuff I've had memorized since I was a little
> brat, and having the Japanese sets and their beautiful jacket art makes up
> for any lack in that department.
'fair nuff. The packaging art on this set is rather nice, too. :)
> Hmm, you sure they ship to the US?
Oh, er, hmn, good point. Haven't a clue...
> Oh, BTW, does the Japanese trailer for The Movie you mentioned contain
> any of the unused footage, such as the extra shots of Unicron and the
> Diaclone-colored Ultra Magnus scene?
Yup, it's the full four-minute trailer, so it's got all o' that.
Chris
Andrew Crane
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> >you back £17.99, instead of the RRP of £29.99. ^^
>
> Hmm, you sure they ship to the US? I placed an order, but didn't see any
> listing for the US under the Country pull-down menu. So I put "USA" in
> the last address line and chose "Jersey" as the country, since New Jersey
> is the state to the west of where I live...
Oh man! I hope you're aware that Jersey is part of the United Kingdom (sort
of). It's a small island near France (and Guernsey), that was actually the
only part of Britain to be occupied by Germany in WWII. For some reason,
items bought from Jersey don't have full VAT (British sales tax), which
explains why Play.com's prices are so cheap compared to high-street retail
outlets.
Speaking of the season 1 boxset, I was very tempted to buy it for 18-odd
quid. I'm not a G1 cartoon fan at all, but I thought it would be
interesting to see the episode I hadn't seen, like MTMTE and Ultimate Doom.
Of course, I've just read Zob's list of errors, so I think that I'll spend
the money on the Legacy of Unicron paperback instead. Let's hope that
Rhino/Maverick release a version of the seaon 1 DVDs without the animation
errors in the near future.
--
Andrew
Chris McFeely
> quid. I'm not a G1 cartoon fan at all, but I thought it would be
> interesting to see the episode I hadn't seen, like MTMTE and Ultimate
Doom.
> Of course, I've just read Zob's list of errors, so I think that I'll spend
> the money on the Legacy of Unicron paperback instead. Let's hope that
> Rhino/Maverick release a version of the seaon 1 DVDs without the animation
> errors in the near future.
Psst, keep up. ;) The Maverick version DOESN'T have the animation errors.
Buy it. :)
Chris
Jordan L Derber
Jordan L Derber <jsd...@unixs1.cis.pitt.edu> wrote:
>Hmm, you sure they ship to the US? I placed an order, but didn't see any
>listing for the US under the Country pull-down menu. So I put "USA" in
>the last address line and chose "Jersey" as the country, since New Jersey
>is the state to the west of where I live...
East, I mean... Duh, the only thing that Jersey is to the west of is the
Atlantic Ocean...
And it looks like they might send me my DVDs, since my order status says
my DVDs are "packing"... I just hope that they don't try sending them to
this so-called "Jersey" place (I figured there would have to be a Jersey
if there's a New Jersey, but never really looked it up on a map or
anything). But just in case I changed the 4th line of my address to say
"United States of America" and the country to "United Kingdom," since at
least they share the first part...
If I do get them, I wonder if I'll still get free shipping...
Karl Thurgood
> > Thanks for the info.
>
>
> The toy commercials are great an' all, but there aren't any US ones for
the
> cartoon years of the toyline - it's all Pretenders, Actionmasters,
> Micromasters, and a heap of G2 stuff. There are some Japanese season one
> ads, though. I'm not sure that this is a PROBLEM, per se... but, just
> thought I'd point it out. /:)
And sadly they don't even have all the G2 adds I've seen. NO G2
Aerialbots advert for a start, and no Laser Rods ad.
Karl
ShadowWing
"npk"
>
> ...and in the comics Prime died practically every other page! ;)
Don't exaggerate. Every other issue.
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> Aerialbots advert for a start, and no Laser Rods ad.
There were plenty more ads that they didn't include. What, you wanted every
ad ever made? /:)
Chris
Andrew Crane
> Psst, keep up. ;) The Maverick version DOESN'T have the animation errors.
> Buy it. :)
Really? Errr, I guess that I haven't been paying enough attention. I may
actually get the boxset after all... Once I've bought the Legacy of Unicron
book, natch.
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Karl Thurgood
Nahh, just all the CG ads. I'm picky that way? :-)
Now what I really want is a DVD release of the best pre-beast TF series:-
Chojin Masterforce. Sub, dub, rotten StarTV dub I don't care. I'd just
love to see a boxed set of it (It'll never happen mind, but that doesn't
stop me _wanting_ it).
Karl
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