Father Malachi Martin
Kyle Kettelle
-- Father Martin's Web site has been down for some time now, does anyone
know how his health is?? I pray his health improves! Let me know
thanks.
MThd
Jim Goodluck
Catholic priest. He lacks any privilege to use the term "Father" in
reference to himself. He has no "insider" knowledge of the Vatican, he
has not been in Rome since the early '60s, when Pope John XXIII booted
him from his low-level staffer job, and had him shipped back to Ireland,
due to his involvement in a scandal.
Ever since then, Martin has had an axe to grind, and has written and
told of all sorts of alleged conspiracies and purported misdeeds in the
Vatican, without a shred of proof to back them up.
If there were _really_ any terrible crimes going on, and Martin had
proof, he would name names and blow the whistle.
Needless to say, he doesn't, because _titilation_ is what sells Martin's
books.
In my humble opinion, Martin is a con artist and a fraud. My advice is
to ignore his nonsense, don't worry about his ominous "prophecies" of
gloom and doom, and simply pray that he will be led to do whatever he
needs to do, to get right with God for his mischief, before he shuffles
off from earth to eternity.
Jim
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Jim Goodluck wrote in message
<19851-36...@newsd-163.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...
> In 1965, Malachi Martin was dispensed from all authority to act as a
> Catholic priest.
Cool. Got any evidence?
"Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not
become a monster."
BirdTribe
Jim Goodluck wrote:
Hi Jim.
> In 1965, Malachi Martin was dispensed from all authority to act as a
> Catholic priest.
I wonder why The Crabalocker Fishwife did that?
> He lacks any privilege to use the term "Father" in
> reference to himself.
As does The Pope™. Your point is....?
> He has no "insider" knowledge of the Vatican, he
> has not been in Rome since the early '60s,
One doesn't need the Vatican for inspiration nor knowledge of....
> when Pope John XXIII booted
> him from his low-level staffer job, and had him shipped back to Ireland,
> due to his involvement in a scandal.
The unnamed scandal. Oooooh. Heavy duty. Did he not screw an Altar boy?
>
>
> Ever since then, Martin has had an axe to grind,
The Lady of Fatima's.
> and has written and
> told of all sorts of alleged conspiracies and purported misdeeds in the
> Vatican, without a shred of proof to back them up.
If the proof is shredded well then, there ya go. I wonder where it went.
>
>
> If there were _really_ any terrible crimes going on,
Like the 1984 Michael Sindona case involving laundering in over
$400,000,000.00 in Gambino heroin moneys that the Vatican was willing to
put a *character witness* on the stand for to protect Michael Sindona (born
on the first lunar eclipse after the solar eclipse the Pope {Karol Wojtyla}
was born on.
> and Martin had
> proof, he would name names and blow the whistle.
> Needless to say, he doesn't, because _titilation_ is what sells Martin's
> books.
And the prime reason entities closely involved with the Catholic Hierarchy
beat him up for no reason on a trip to Europe. After all, Priests can get
out of hand and do what they please. It is The Way.. envisage those
Catholic Priests imbibulating young uns into their brand of *boy, you've
been a naughty girl and let your knickers down* theology and you have a
realistic, time spanning jpeg. Bust it like Malachi and you no longer
belong to the Heroin Priests of The Divine Buggery of the Altar Boy (read;
innocents) Decompress it and all hell breaks loose
>
>
> In my humble opinion,
You must be eminently humble to judge another man, and do a good job a it.
> Martin is a con artist and a fraud.
And you are who? A friend of Jesus... or The Pope? Almost a
Democrat/Republican split there.
> My advice is
> to ignore his nonsense,
If we gotta review their nonsense then his surely qualifies as reading
material. The Canadians still accept him in their diocese. He is in Toronto
and, to my knowledge, hasn't been defrocked.
> don't worry about his ominous "prophecies"
"prophecies"=Interpretations of The Lady of Fatima and guesses of the third
prophecy, which the Catholic Hierarchy seems eminently afraid of. I
wonder/wander.....do you?
> of
> gloom and doom,
The continued flaunting of a dead religion cowed by tricksters. Gloom and
doom penetrates where it has room. (my Art Bell related quote)(am I finally
on topic?)
> and simply pray that he will be led to do whatever he
> needs to do,
And if he is already doing that?
> to get right with God for his mischief,
And you speak from knowledge that the deeds that he has done or attempted
stand as mischievous with the Greatest of Players™. It seems to me he gave
everyone either the window seat and the aisle seat. The window is real life
and the aisle is akin to a row of pews with no view outside to correlate
the speed with which *travel* takes place. Anyone who has *flown* knows the
inherent symbological view out *their* window.
> before he shuffles
> off from earth to eternity.
And energy turns and terns and turns til it tees. Your Point is? The Lady
of Fatima meant nothing? ...right? Thousands of people, seeing a
miracle/prophecy on cue, and a mere fizzle because you tell us to ignore
it. Can you seriously discredit Malachi without any bullshit or
horsehockey? Just what did he do *wrong* except disagree?
A Doubter
BirdTribe
>
>
> Jim
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>> off from earth to eternity.
>
>And energy turns and terns and turns til it tees. Your Point is? The Lady
>of Fatima meant nothing? ...right? Thousands of people, seeing a
>miracle/prophecy on cue, and a mere fizzle because you tell us to ignore
>it.
I'd say, YES! If you read accounts of the "sighting" then you'll find thatthey
are rather suspicious. Different people of those thousands saw and heard
different things. Even while those closer seemed to see more "detail" in the
sighting they still saw differences. How could there be differences if they
were all seeing the same thing?
DavidG8089
>> Catholic priest.
>
>Cool. Got any evidence?
Personally, I would find this VERY believable based on the substance of his
information on Art Bell's show and his web page. I think he himself did
mention have had "problems" with his superiors.
I hope that the poster DOES give a source of some proof. That would take a LOT
of wind out of Malachi's sails (sales?), at least with me.
an intelligent and reasonable Catholic
pminerva
>were all seeing the same thing?
I can't vouch or disprove anything to do with fatima, however, people see the
"same " thing and have different subjective impressions of it.
Although I believe an objective truth does exist, I thing human frailty will
forever stop us from knowing it.
BirdTribe
DavidG8089 wrote:
> >> before he shuffles
> >> off from earth to eternity.
> >
> >And energy turns and terns and turns til it tees. Your Point is? The Lady
> >of Fatima meant nothing? ...right? Thousands of people, seeing a
> >miracle/prophecy on cue, and a mere fizzle because you tell us to ignore
> >it.
>
> I'd say, YES! If you read accounts of the "sighting" then you'll find thatthey
> are rather suspicious. Different people of those thousands saw and heard
> different things. Even while those closer seemed to see more "detail" in the
> sighting they still saw differences. How could there be differences if they
> were all seeing the same thing?
If a gorgeous woman walks through a room and you ask those there what she looked
like you will get many answers. They will all agree she looked like a woman, but
there will be those who don't think she is gorgeous, those who are stunned by her
and others who only notice her red dress. And that is just day to day life. The
sun comes out of place and starts firing geometrics right on prophetic cue. I'ld
say that the best route would be to ignore you. This was most definitely a
pataphysical phenomena of the first order witnessed by thousands.
For The Lady
BirdTribe
paghat
> Jim Goodluck wrote in message
> <19851-36...@newsd-163.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...
> > In 1965, Malachi Martin was dispensed from all authority to act as a
> > Catholic priest.
> (snip)
>
> Cool. Got any evidence?
Exactly my response.
-paghat
ab
>All the same, we do have some evidence that can be verified, that
>sheds some light on Martin's legitimacy, to wit, that he has appeared
>more than once on the Art Bell show.
>
>That's pretty compelling evidence in my book. I'd bet heavily that
>he's a fraud.
Heh. I feel sorry for Arvol Looking Horse. Now, smart people probably
assume he's a fake, and his appearance has only managed to promote his cause
to the Wanabi, a tribe known for big mouths, small minds and vigorous
inaction.
Too bad. He's the real thing, and I admired how he managed to avoid
directly contradicting Art's pet frauds, while still giving his message.
dr. digger
> Jim Goodluck wrote in message
> > In 1965, Malachi Martin was dispensed from all authority to act as a
> > Catholic priest.
> (snip)
>
> Cool. Got any evidence?
FWIW, it was mentioned before on this newsgroup, last year perhaps,
that some magazine for american catholics had mentioned that Martin
was not currently a practicing priest. I don't recall anything more
about it.
All the same, we do have some evidence that can be verified, that
sheds some light on Martin's legitimacy, to wit, that he has appeared
more than once on the Art Bell show.
That's pretty compelling evidence in my book. I'd bet heavily that
he's a fraud.
dr. digger
Chris Borg
Martin himself on the Art Bell show admitted he was no longer a "Fr" also
when he first started popping up on Bell's show he was called Dr. Martin
not FR. Art swiched back and fourth with DR/FR the 1st few times he was
on also I seem to remember he said he was married....
BlueAce69
>Martin himself on the Art Bell show admitted he was no longer a "Fr" also
>when he first started popping up on Bell's show he was called Dr. Martin
>not FR. Art swiched back and fourth with DR/FR the 1st few times he was
>on also I seem to remember he said he was married....
>
Although I can't reveal my sources, I've been told that Martin played a
"pivotal" role at the October 31 1997, "Greek Night". There was appearently a
religous/farming theme to the nights festivities.
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DavidG8089
>sun comes out of place and starts firing geometrics right on prophetic cue.
>I'ld
>say that the best route would be to ignore you. This was most definitely a
>pataphysical phenomena of the first order witnessed by thousands.
Ok, I will agree with your last statement. "Something" did occur. Something
caused all these people to see something. I will NOT agree that it was a
divine vision with apocalyptic portent. It may have been intense radio waves
caused by tectonic faults which effected their brains. Those farther away from
the source would have had a lesser effect than those closer to it.
I was not there, therefore I will use the logic by which I would judge any
other unusual phenomena ocurring in my day to day life.
BirdTribe
DavidG8089 wrote:
> >The
> >sun comes out of place and starts firing geometrics right on prophetic cue.
> >I'ld
> >say that the best route would be to ignore you. This was most definitely a
> >pataphysical phenomena of the first order witnessed by thousands.
>
> Ok, I will agree with your last statement. "Something" did occur. Something
> caused all these people to see something. I will NOT agree that it was a
> divine vision with apocalyptic portent. It may have been intense radio waves
> caused by tectonic faults which effected their brains.
What a great thweory. How does it explain that the kids were told it would be on
hat date at noon. It happened at 1 o'clock local time but the sun was at the noon
position. What does your brand of logic say about that?
> Those farther away from
> the source would have had a lesser effect than those closer to it.
>
> I was not there, therefore I will use the logic by which I would judge any
> other unusual phenomena ocurring in my day to day life.
So you have seen The Lady of Fatima as well?
Your Pal
DavidG8089
on>hat date at noon. It happened at 1 o'clock local time but the sun was at the
>noon position. What does your brand of logic say about that?
I would say that the difference in sun position between noon and 1pm is very
little. I would say that they saw what they wanted to see.
.>So you have seen The Lady of Fatima as well?
Yes, it was REALLY awful.
I think that they saw something VERY unusual. Perhaps they were divinely
inspired. I know that the Church recognizes it as a legitimate vision, but
even though I am a Catholic I still hold my own view of reality hold sway over
anyone elses, UNLESS I am firmly convinced.
With the visions of Fatima, as with any other apocalyptic prophecies they are
later used by others for their own purposes. By the Church to use as an example
of the "supernatural" power of faith and the care still given to us all by Mary
and the Saints. It is even used by others to encourage an unquestioning belief
in the validity of religious experience.
Vanilla Gorilla (Monkey Boy)
>>> before he shuffles
>>> off from earth to eternity.
>>
>>And energy turns and terns and turns til it tees. Your Point is? The Lady
>>of Fatima meant nothing? ...right? Thousands of people, seeing a
>>miracle/prophecy on cue, and a mere fizzle because you tell us to ignore
>>it.
>
>I'd say, YES! If you read accounts of the "sighting" then you'll find thatthey
>are rather suspicious. Different people of those thousands saw and heard
>different things. Even while those closer seemed to see more "detail" in the
>sighting they still saw differences. How could there be differences if they
>were all seeing the same thing?
Happens every day.
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Dr. Carroll states:
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Malachi Martin is a former priest and a former Jesuit who is no longer
either. I do not know why he ceased to be a priest and a Jesuit. He can
still be a Catholic if he professes loyalty to the Pope and the Church,
but I am not sure that he does. He is most certainly not a reliable
historian; he claims to have independent sources, but never states them.
He writes more fiction than fact.
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More info on Malachi Martin, given by another expert on Catholic issues,
Karl Keating, editor of "This Rock" magazine:
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Malachi Martin worked in Rome more than thirty years ago, as a priest.
While there he fell into a scandalous situation and was sent packing.
Later he left the Jesuits. In 1965 he lost his priestly faculties. He no
longer may celebrate Mass, is not incardinated in any diocese, and may
not call himself "Father."
In the 1960s he would have been considered a liberal. In recent years he
has moved to the other end of the spectrum and is a traditionalist. A
year or two ago he wrote a novel that supposedly is a thin-disguised
expose of goings-on in the Vatican--including satanic rituals celebrated
by cardinals.
(Martin declines to name names, which gives an indication of the
reliability of his "news." Which cardinals are satanists? Ratzinger?
Lopez Trujillo? Laghi? If Martin could back up his ludicrous claim, he
would make public a list of the bad guys.)
Martin for years has claimed to have inside and sensitive contacts, even
to the point of reproducing private conversations between the Holy
Father and Cardinal Ratzinger. (They invited Martin to listen in?) But
in fact he has been away from Rome for thirty-plus years, and even in
the 1960s he was a low-level staffer.
(There is a very funny story about how Pope John XXIII, who had a thick
file on him, had him booted out and sent back to Ireland.)
But Martin has a fair amount of the blarney in him and is a skilled
writer. Those two talents have allowed him to have an "authority" far
out of proportion to his true knowledge. His writings, while
entertaining, are not trustworthy.
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Another tidbit:
Malachi Martin insists that he was properly secularized. He also insists
that he was released by Pope Paul VI to work as he does, unattached to
any diocese or religious order. He says that he is permitted to say the
Mass in private, but not publically.
However, this claim by Malachi Martin cannot be true, because the Code
of Canon Law of the Catholic Church forbids "vagi" (canon 265): "Every
cleric must be incardinated into some particular church or personal
prelature or into an institute of consecrated life or society endowed
with this faculty, so that unattached or transient clerics are not
allowed at all."
An inquiry made to the Vatican in June 1997 received the following
reply:
"In 1965, Mr. Malachi Martin received a dispensation from all
privileges and obligations deriving from his vows as a Jesuit and from
priestly ordination."
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In conclusion, there are many sound Catholic authors which one can read,
and it is better not to immerse oneself into conjecture, but to learn
from authentic solid sources.
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The above quotes, etc., are taken from
http://www.ewtn.com/ewtn/experts/showresult.asp?RecNum=19844&Forums=0&Experts=0&Days=3000&Author=&Keyword=MalachiMartin
Jim