[META] The Whereabouts of Nixtr
CoolSlider
the authorities have:
http://www.salon.com/tech/wire/2001/03/09/abortion/index.html
He doesn't lurk the toy aisles for Transformers....he walks up and down
looking for Little Johnny.
Beware!
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TransFan18
words.
Ari X
>
> Have you seen our good friend The_Nixtr around lately? Because lord knows
> the authorities have:
>
> http://www.salon.com/tech/wire/2001/03/09/abortion/index.html
>
> He doesn't lurk the toy aisles for Transformers....he walks up and down
> looking for Little Johnny.
> Beware!
Hoooooly shit.
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> Pleeeeaaasse tell me your kidding, because that is simply too disturbing
for
> words.
'tis true. Pro-life advocate is also a pedophile. "Save the kiddies!
They're only RIPE for so long!" And he didn't collect Transformers as a
hobby; he used them as BAIT. *shudders*
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Darwinian Road Kill
: Have you seen our good friend The_Nixtr around lately? Because lord knows
: the authorities have:
: http://www.salon.com/tech/wire/2001/03/09/abortion/index.html
Oh sweet Primus in a chicken basket...
All those increasingly-absurd and snarky comments I made about Transfans
hiring bounty hunters to take out other Transfans look pretty tasteless
right about now...
Which isn't to say I've forgotten the other factor -- I'm just shocked and
speechless on that one. Comment I cannot. (who'da thought).
On the bounty-offering, though...
I really thought that we wouldn't be seeing that again. Not even in jest
(and I'm not convinced the first time *was* in jest, but hey...).
But none of that matters.
I suspect there's going to be some soul searching in our community (and a
community we are, if a fractious one). After all, it's not like anyone
knew or suspected before now. Who knows what the future will bring?
As for the Nixtr himself... it would be easy to join the bandwagon of
condemnation that will follow. I will not. Which is not to say I defend
his activities, for there is no defense (as his entered plea of
guilty should indicate). Rather, I will hope he gets help, should the
opportunity present itself. Certainly I suspect he'll have a fair bit of
time to reflect...
Ryan
(Yet another wound this is, on an already-riven fandom...)
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Sprocket
half now, and I never suspected.....
It was all a lie?!?!
He just fooled us to....
Ugh. Ugh ugh ugh ugh UGHHH!!!
Man.....how's KILBY going to react to this?!?
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Daniel M Suh
<< Have you seen our good friend The_Nixtr around lately? Because lord knows
the authorities have:
http://www.salon.com/tech/wire/2001/03/09/abortion/index.html >>
Cripes . . . that is VERY disturbing. So much so, I don't wish to comment on it
any further.
Dan "Suspsy" Suh
"Guess we live and learn." -Rattrap
Zobovor with Crunchy Candy Shell
>It was all a lie?!?!
What are you *talking* about? What was a lie? Nick was always a Transfan. He
also made some bad choices, apparently.
(For the record, what he did isn't any worse than the people who threatened to
kill Bob Skir at BotCon last year, and looking at kiddie porn does not
automatically mean that he molests children.)
Zobovor, not even going to try to head off the eventual argument over this one.
Nixtr would likely appreciate the controversy in his honor, actually...
Goldbug
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> I'm just.......I'm in shock. I've been on this board going on a year and
a
> half now, and I never suspected.....
>
> It was all a lie?!?!
I honestly believe Nick *liked* Transformers and that his interest didn't
exist solely for the benefit of his other "hobby". I first met him up in
Steve-O's room at BotCon '97 and I remember how proud he was of the Lava
Bath SHBM Galvatron he purchased for $200 from Tony Preto along with several
BW prototypes. I just can't believe that -
....
Slag...I wonder what *Enza* thinks of all this???
-Star Saber (speechless...for once)
Thomas Hamann
> CoolSlider wrote:
> >
> > Have you seen our good friend The_Nixtr around lately? Because lord knows
> > the authorities have:
> >
> > http://www.salon.com/tech/wire/2001/03/09/abortion/index.html
> >
> > He doesn't lurk the toy aisles for Transformers....he walks up and down
> > looking for Little Johnny.
> > Beware!
>
Can someone tell me what the page is about, before I look at it while I'm
in one of my University's computer rooms? I don't want to see something
utterly disgusting while other people can see what I'm looking at...
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Just an AP news story, no pics.
Unbeleveable. Just completely unbelieveable.
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>in one of my University's computer rooms? I don't want to see something
>utterly disgusting while other people can see what I'm looking at...
>
Its an article about someone being arrested for putting a bounty on abortion
doctors and owning child pornography. The person it is about went by the name
"The_Nixtr". It's clean.
Roar
Bobbi Carothers
> Unbeleveable. Just completely unbelieveable.
I, for one, am not surprised. Disgusted to the core, yes, but not
surprised in the least.
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Sprocket
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> Sprocket wrote:
>
> >It was all a lie?!?!
>
> What are you *talking* about? What was a lie? Nick was always a
Transfan. He
> also made some bad choices, apparently.
Sorry. Guess I was just REALLY in shock. But, you're right. It's not my
place to judge.
>
> (For the record, what he did isn't any worse than the people who
threatened to
> kill Bob Skir at BotCon last year, and looking at kiddie porn does not
> automatically mean that he molests children.)
>
This is correct. I probably should have thought this through a little more.
>
> Zobovor, not even going to try to head off the eventual argument over this
one.
> Nixtr would likely appreciate the controversy in his honor, actually...
I think I'm just going to bow out gracefully here as well. I wouldn't be
able to say anything about the guy, considering I didn't know anything about
him, other than the polls he conducted here for Trans-Talk. Never been to a
Botcon either.
Which is why I probably should've kept my big mouth shut in the first place.
Once again, I apologize.
Sprocket, still a little bewildered, but a lot calmer.
Thomas Hamann
(Growl1) wrote:
And you're sure it is the same person?
> Roar
Joona I Palaste
I'm *pretty* sure it is truly our Nixtr. I was around when the Nixtr was
still posting actively, and he had a very strong opinion that abortion
is wrong. I agree with him there - but that is off-topic for this
discussion.
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"Sprocket" <elho...@optonline.net> wrote in message
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a
> half now, and I never suspected.....
>
> It was all a lie?!?!
>
> He just fooled us to....
>
> Ugh. Ugh ugh ugh ugh UGHHH!!!
>
> Man.....how's KILBY going to react to this?!?
Pretty much like everybody else. It's a SERIOUS shock.
Hooks
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> And you're sure it is the same person?
No, Azi, all of us are just making general assumptions about The Nixtr,
despite all the evidence and facts presented before us. And that many of us
knew the guy. And we're all not really surprised as much as grossed out.
So yes, it was him. Ew.
(X)
SILVERBOLT - Mr. Vertigo Himself
> Growl1 wrote:
>
> > > Can someone tell me what the page is about, before I look at it while
> > > I'm in one of my University's computer rooms? I don't want to see
> > > something utterly disgusting while other people can see what I'm
> > > looking at...
> >
> > Its an article about someone being arrested for putting a bounty on
> > abortion doctors and owning child pornography. The person it is about
> > went by the name "The_Nixtr". It's clean.
> >
> And you're sure it is the same person?
I don't think, even in North America, that there are too many people
named Nick Morency and who just happen to be 30 years of age...
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It somehow seems a little odd now to think that I talked to him a couple
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Steve-o Stonebraker
> 'tis true. Pro-life advocate is also a pedophile.
"Pedophile" is a loaded term, as is "child pornography". There's not
enough information in the article to draw any conclusions. He may have
simply had a few pictures of under-18 models, which is something I doubt
many people really think is immoral, despite its illegality. Just because
they charged him doesn't mean it was hardcore stuff with pre-pubescant
children, or that he is a sexual predator.
> "Save the kiddies! They're only RIPE for so long!" And he didn't
> collect Transformers as a hobby; he used them as BAIT. *shudders*
And, there's absolutely zero evidence for that statement. Nixtr is
undoubtedly a genuine TransFan. Seems like you may have just been making
a joke, but, that should have been indicated in some way. Nixtr still has
a lot of friends on ATT, and I for one don't appreciate seeing people make
these sorts of comments with no justification.
--Steve-o, who imagines the
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> of times on IRC a few years ago...
Eeeg. He used to be a regular way back when in 1997-98. Heck, he was the
first "famous" Transfan that I knew of when I came into the community.
Hoo boy. Still can't say it's much of a surprise. /:)
...better delete all my kitty porn.
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Joona I Palaste
> On Mon, 12 Mar 2001 03:32:26 GMT, Hooks wrote:
>> "Save the kiddies! They're only RIPE for so long!" And he didn't
>> collect Transformers as a hobby; he used them as BAIT. *shudders*
> And, there's absolutely zero evidence for that statement. Nixtr is
> undoubtedly a genuine TransFan. Seems like you may have just been making
> a joke, but, that should have been indicated in some way. Nixtr still has
> a lot of friends on ATT, and I for one don't appreciate seeing people make
> these sorts of comments with no justification.
> --Steve-o, who imagines the
> abortion-doctor thing probably wasn't done seriously, but certainly thinks
> it's an unwise "joke".
I agree with Steve-o. We have heard that the Nixtr was in possession of
some child pornography pictures. That doesn't automatically make him a
child molester. But HooksX has recently taken a quite nasty and cynical
tone.
And besides, abortion IS wrong. I'm not suggesting killing the
abortion-doctor would have been right... but it sure sounds more moral
than letting him kill thousands of innocent children.
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Zobovor with Crunchy Candy Shell
>And besides, abortion IS wrong.
Oh, let's not even go there.
N-Bomb
And about the Kiddie porn... We all have our little perversions (I'd like to
drop a tanker truck full of jet-fuel at around 30,000 ft one day, and detonate
it in mid-air!!), but as long as we don't act on the... 'sicker' ones, there's
really no problem there.
On the other hand, I don't particularly like zealots or fundamentalists. Eh...
Whatever.
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Recharge
=====
>On Mon, 12 Mar 2001 03:32:26 GMT, Hooks wrote:
>
>"Pedophile" is a loaded term, as is "child pornography".
There's not
>enough information in the article to draw any conclusions. He may have
>simply had a few pictures of under-18 models, which is something I doubt
>many people really think is immoral, despite its illegality.
He's not just "charged". He's "plead guilty". If all I was guilty of was a
few pictures of nekkid 16 year olds in a cache file, you better believe I'd
fight that shit. He didn't. He plead guilty. PLEAD. It could still
possibly what you said, and its what I first thought, but...damn, it doesn't
look good. He didn't even *fight* it.
Just because
>they charged him doesn't mean it was hardcore stuff with pre-pubescant
>children, or that he is a sexual predator.
No, but if he IS viewing pictures of pre-pubescent porn (and I don't think
that that stuff is easy to find), he's guilty of perpetuating child abuse.
PERIOD.
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> Joona I Palaste wrote:
>>And besides, abortion IS wrong.
> Oh, let's not even go there.
OK, let's not, then.
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Joona I Palaste wrote:
>
> And besides, abortion IS wrong. I'm not suggesting killing the
> abortion-doctor would have been right... but it sure sounds more moral
> than letting him kill thousands of innocent children.
If you thought threads regarding Decepticons/Autobot portrayals could get
nasty...
Daniel M Suh
<< "Pedophile" is a loaded term, as is "child pornography". There's not
enough information in the article to draw any conclusions. He may have
simply had a few pictures of under-18 models, which is something I doubt
many people really think is immoral, despite its illegality. Just because
they charged him doesn't mean it was hardcore stuff with pre-pubescant
children, or that he is a sexual predator. >>
I'm afraid it's so, Steve. Check out this article, which I found after doing a
search on "Nicholas Morency."
aol://4344:1686.L100VrVP.14480071.668643793
Again, this is indeed a very disturbing incident.
Dan "Suspsy" Suh
"The darkest depths reveal the drakest secrets." -Seawing
Joona I Palaste
> Steve-o-Stonebraker wrote:
> << "Pedophile" is a loaded term, as is "child pornography". There's not
> enough information in the article to draw any conclusions. He may have
> simply had a few pictures of under-18 models, which is something I doubt
> many people really think is immoral, despite its illegality. Just because
> they charged him doesn't mean it was hardcore stuff with pre-pubescant
> children, or that he is a sexual predator. >>
> I'm afraid it's so, Steve. Check out this article, which I found after doing a
> search on "Nicholas Morency."
> aol://4344:1686.L100VrVP.14480071.668643793
Would that be available in a non-AOL-proprietary format for those with
"ISPs for the rest of us"?
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Zobovor with Crunchy Candy Shell
>No, but if he IS viewing pictures of pre-pubescent porn (and I don't think
>that that stuff is easy to find), he's guilty of perpetuating child abuse.
>PERIOD.
This thread looks like it's going to get inflammatory very fast. I will just
point out that a) I get porno spam in my inbox for "ILLEGAL TEENAGE SLUTS!!!"
just about every day, so I'd hardly call that sort of thing difficult to come
across, and b) your latter claim holds about as much water as saying that
anyone who owns a copy of "Lethal Weapon" is guilty of perpetuating murder.
Guys, whatever else Nixtr may be, he is also my friend. Regardless of what you
may think of him personally, I'd rather not see any more unfounded comments
made about him.
Soundwave9
kiddie porn, but not the anti-abortion part. He
reminded me of Dale, Hank's paranoid friend on
King of the Hill. I wouldn't put anything past him.
I read the Reuters article Suspsy found on AOL.
"...Morency's main objective was to intimidate
abortion providers and patients by advertising his
Web site on a Planned Parenthood bulletin board
and an Internet newsgroup frequented by abortion-rights supporters, federal
officials said. ...
When investigators examined his computer, they also
found CD-ROMS containing numerous sexual images
of pre-pubescent children. Some showed children
being subjected to sexual violence, officials said.
The intimidation charge carries a maximum penalty
of one year in prison and the pornography charge five
years. "
I guess he drifted away from ATT and got into other newsgroups like
alt.toys.pedophile.paraphernalia.
Wasn't Nick getting married? I wonder if his fiancee
knew about his other hobbies.
We know someone's not going to BotCon this year...
--Soundwave9
Zobovor with Crunchy Candy Shell
>I'm afraid it's so, Steve. Check out this article, which I found after doing
>a search on "Nicholas Morency."
>
>aol://4344:1686.L100VrVP.14480071.668643793
I don't think that non-AOLers are able to access that article, Suspsy. I
suppose I could cut and paste it here, if only to head off any more
unsubstantiated comments...
Anti-abortion man keeps child pornography in U.S.
CAMDEN, N.J. (Reuters) - A New Jersey man admitted in court Friday that he
collected pornographic images of children at the same time he was offering $1.5
million over the Internet for the murder of any abortion provider.
Nicholas Morency, 30, an Atlantic City casino employee, faces up to six years
in prison and $350,000 in fines after pleading guilty in a U.S. district court
to charges of intimidation -- related to the Internet offer -- and child
pornography, federal officials said. He will be sentenced June 22.
In 1999, Morency, from Villas, New Jersey, used his home computer to set up a
Web site that offered anyone $1.5 million to kill an abortion provider. It even
mentioned an abortion doctor in another state as a potential target. The
physician was identified in court documents only as "GT."
Federal investigators say Morency did not have such a sum of money and
concluded that no one was ever injured as a result of his actions.
"But it's like yelling fire in a crowded theater. You just don't do it," said
assistant U.S. Attorney William Hughes.
Morency's main objective was to intimidate abortion providers and patients by
advertising his Web site on a Planned Parenthood bulletin board and an Internet
newsgroup frequented by abortion-rights supporters, federal officials said.
The FBI shut down the Web site a few days after receiving a complaint from
Planned Parenthood in Washington.
In the 1990s, there were a spate of highly-publicized attacks in the United
States on abortion providers.
A federal public defender declined to comment when asked if Morency belonged to
a religious group or any other organization actively opposed to abortion.
When investigators examined his computer, they also found CD-ROMS containing
numerous sexual images of pre-pubescent children. Some showed children being
subjected to sexual violence, officials said.
The intimidation charge carries a maximum penalty of one year in prison and the
pornography charge five years.
17:22 03-09-01
</transcript>
I admit that the bounty on the physician was an exercise in poor judgment, even
though I'm sure Nixtr didn't expect anyone to take it seriously. (I know I've
told Walky I was going to kill him once. I think M Sipher said he was going to
kill me at one point. I guess the difference is that we didn't hit on a
nationally sensitive subject.)
Regarding the pornography charge, as far as I'm concerned, what he does in the
privacy of his own home is his business, as long as he's not hurting anyone.
(I think my wife and I commit at least one illegal act every week. This is
Utah, after all.)
And quite frankly, it strikes me as odd that looking at a few photos is
apparently a much more severe crime than advocating murder. But anyway.
Joona I Palaste
>>No, but if he IS viewing pictures of pre-pubescent porn (and I don't think
>>that that stuff is easy to find), he's guilty of perpetuating child abuse.
>>PERIOD.
> This thread looks like it's going to get inflammatory very fast. I will just
> point out that a) I get porno spam in my inbox for "ILLEGAL TEENAGE SLUTS!!!"
> just about every day, so I'd hardly call that sort of thing difficult to come
> across, and b) your latter claim holds about as much water as saying that
> anyone who owns a copy of "Lethal Weapon" is guilty of perpetuating murder.
How do you know those TEENAGE SLUTS are really ILLEGAL? Maybe they're
only saying they are to boost their ratings. "It says it's illegal! That
means it MUST be good! Hrm heh hrm heh..."
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> Recharge wrote:
>
> >No, but if he IS viewing pictures of pre-pubescent porn (and I don't think
> >that that stuff is easy to find), he's guilty of perpetuating child abuse.
> >PERIOD.
>
> This thread looks like it's going to get inflammatory very fast. I will just
> point out that a) I get porno spam in my inbox for "ILLEGAL TEENAGE SLUTS!!!"
> just about every day, so I'd hardly call that sort of thing difficult to come
> across,
Bogus sales-pitches don't count. I find it impossible to believe that following
whatever link a spammer would provide would actually lead you to illegal, felonious
material. None of them would last long if that was how they operated.
> your latter claim holds about as much water as saying that
> anyone who owns a copy of "Lethal Weapon" is guilty of perpetuating murder.
C'mon, Zob... "Lethal Weapon" is fiction, not snuff. Legitimate child-pornography
is by definition abusive, and one could easily argue that every time it is
transacted it constitutes another violation of the victim's personal life and
privacy.
Joona I Palaste
I agree that child pornography is abusive, but how is that "by
definition"? The fact is that children can't be subjected to sexual
relations like adults can, but that is a de facto restriction, not a de
jure one. If you start talking about how pornography is inherently
abusive we may end having to forbid adult pornography also.
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ShadowWing
Thomas Hamann wrote
>> Its an article about someone being arrested for putting a bounty on
>> abortion doctors and owning child pornography. The person it is about
>> went by the name "The_Nixtr". It's clean.
>>
>And you're sure it is the same person?
Unless the article changed by the time I read it, there's no mention of
a screen name in the Salon story posted.
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ShadowWing
Recharge wrote
>No, but if he IS viewing pictures of pre-pubescent porn (and I don't
>think that that stuff is easy to find), he's guilty of perpetuating child
>abuse.
Sorry to say that "lolita" porn is far too easy to find. Remember that
some countries have no laws against such things, or at least are lax in
enforcing them. I've gone to a site that turns out to be a porno site (just
type the name of any female celeberty, no matter how limited her star
status, and at least one will sneak in there) and there are links to those
sites. Porno sites are far too rampant on the internet, and what shows up is
far too easy to get. Even if you're not looking for it.
Prometheus-X
here was after he called into the Rush Limbaugh Show and asked Rush his
opinions of The Patriot. "Major Transformer-collecting dittos" I believe it
was. The face you show to your friends and the face you show at home are
almost always different, but I can not beileve Nick's was this different!
Not much more can be said about the whole thing. What he did was wrong! No
two ways around that. Hopefully he will get help for his problems.
P-X
ShadowWing
Joona I Palaste wrote
>If you start talking about how pornography is inherently
>abusive we may end having to forbid adult pornography also.
You make that sound like a bad thing. :)
ShadowWing
Prometheus-X wrote
>It's sad this all happened. The last time I saw Nixtr's name mentioned
>on here was after he called into the Rush Limbaugh Show and asked Rush
>his opinions of The Patriot. "Major Transformer-collecting dittos" I
>believe it was.
Yep.
>The face you show to your friends and the face you show at home are
>almost always different, but I can not beileve Nick's was this different!
>Not much more can be said about the whole thing. What he did was wrong!
>No two ways around that. Hopefully he will get help for his problems.
I agree that calling for a hitman and collecting kiddie porn is wrong. I
also remember a guy who was winning against I believe cancer, and how we
were all in support of him. I wonder what all this is doing to his wife. I'm
just not ready to judge this guy based on this, because as Phil Collins once
sang, "we always need to hear both sides of the story".
Recharge
Shell) =====
>Recharge wrote:
>
>>No, but if he IS viewing pictures of pre-pubescent porn (and I don't think
>>that that stuff is easy to find), he's guilty of perpetuating child abuse.
>
>This thread looks like it's going to get inflammatory very fast. I will just
>point out that a) I get porno spam in my inbox for "ILLEGAL TEENAGE SLUTS!!!"
>just about every day, so I'd hardly call that sort of thing difficult to come
>across,
charging
you on. You wouldn't just say "Guilty", would you? And I'm not talking
about
so-called TEENZ who look more like a bunch of 30 year olds in ponytails and
cheerleader outfits; I'm talking about honest to god prepubescent children.
Viewing this kind of material is supporting it.
and b) your latter claim holds about as much water as saying that
>anyone who owns a copy of "Lethal Weapon" is guilty of perpetuating murder.
>
Fiction and reality, Zob. Fiction: Lethal Weapon. Reality: Little kids
being exploited for sexual purposes. Your argument would hold water if say,
Lethal Weapon was a snuff film.
>Guys, whatever else Nixtr may be, he is also my friend. Regardless of what
you
>may think of him personally, I'd rather not see any more unfounded comments
>made about him.
Note the "IF" in my first statement. Jumping to defend your friends is
great;
just remember to loook before you leap. <Bumblebee>
Deszaras
Zobovor with Crunchy Candy Shell <zob...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20010312023320...@ng-mc1.aol.com...
> Sprocket wrote:
>
> >It was all a lie?!?!
>
>
> (For the record, what he did isn't any worse than the people who
threatened to
> kill Bob Skir at BotCon last year, and looking at kiddie porn does not
> automatically mean that he molests children.)
Well considering there is a larger track record of Abortion Providers being
murdered by right wing lunatics, than there are television writers being
killed by avid fanboys. I would say that lil' Nixtr's actions would be taken
far more seriously as it seems there was actual malicious intent involved
than that of some stupid immature kids pissed about their favorite tv show.
As for the kiddie porn, evidence of such pictures being on one's computer
does not automatically constitute the individual as a child molestor.
Nonetheless having such pictures of violent sexual actions performed on
children for entertainment purposes does make the individual guilty of
supporting such actions, which could be deemed just as morally wrong as
comitting the action itself. I for one hope they give the stupid schmuck the
maximum penalty.
Hooks
SILVERBOLT - Mr. Vertigo Himself <silve...@os.enitel.no> wrote in message
news:eW8r6.544$yO9.17...@news.telia.no...
> I don't think, even in North America, that there are too many people
> named Nick Morency and who just happen to be 30 years of age...
Who are also known pro-life advocates AND live in Jersey, of all places.
Speaking of good ol' Nix, here's a link that a friend provided me. It's
Nix's court papers.
http://news.findlaw.com/cnn/docs/morency/usvmorencyplea.pdf
To quote my good ol' pal, "I can't believe this shit is on the internet."
(By the way, it's confirmed on page six: he possessed pornography of
children under the age of 12. So anyone thinking he was just looking at 16
and 17 year olds, think again.)
(X)
Hooks
Steve-o Stonebraker <srst...@bu-ast.bu.edu> wrote in message
news:slrn9aq97u....@bu-ast.bu.edu...
> On Mon, 12 Mar 2001 03:32:26 GMT, Hooks wrote:
> > 'tis true. Pro-life advocate is also a pedophile.
>
> "Pedophile" is a loaded term, as is "child pornography". There's not
> enough information in the article to draw any conclusions. He may have
> simply had a few pictures of under-18 models, which is something I doubt
> many people really think is immoral, despite its illegality
http://news.findlaw.com/cnn/docs/morency/usvmorencyplea.pdf
(X)
Hooks
Joona I Palaste <pal...@cc.helsinki.fi> wrote in message
news:98j9j3$mqb$1...@oravannahka.helsinki.fi...
> I agree with Steve-o. We have heard that the Nixtr was in possession of
> some child pornography pictures. That doesn't automatically make him a
> child molester.
He had CD-Roms full of material containing child pornography _and_ sexually
abusive/violent acts committed on children. He may not have been a molester
in actions, but most certainly in thought.
> But HooksX has recently taken a quite nasty and cynical
> tone.
I don't see where this comes from, nor do I see the point in this comment.
> And besides, abortion IS wrong.
"My bible told me so."
> I'm not suggesting killing the
> abortion-doctor would have been right... but it sure sounds more moral
> than letting him kill thousands of innocent children.
Tell that to women who the the victims of rape, or the young girls that are
victims of incest.
(X)
Hooks
M Sipher <msi...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:98hk8v$msp$1...@slb6.atl.mindspring.net...
> "Your name is Daniel? Say, wanna play HeadMasters?"
Emphasis on "Head."
> (politely excuses himself so he can go vomit)
The Day Every Transfans' Stomach Churned.
(X)
Hooks
> This thread looks like it's going to get inflammatory very fast. I will
just
> point out that a) I get porno spam in my inbox for "ILLEGAL TEENAGE
SLUTS!!!"
> just about every day, so I'd hardly call that sort of thing difficult to
come
> across
The difference is having porn sites in your History folder and having child
molestation/violent acts on volumes of CD-Roms.
(X)
N-Bomb
-Nick
...Weaksauce Bishonen Hosehead
Daniel M Suh
<< Regarding the pornography charge, as far as I'm concerned, what he does in
the
privacy of his own home is his business, as long as he's not hurting anyone.
(I think my wife and I commit at least one illegal act every week. This is
Utah, after all.) >>
Zob, while I think it's admirable that you're standing up for your friend, I
don't think you can possibly compare anything you and Laurie have indulged in
to possessing child porn. (Unless you're in possession of some yourself, though
I highly doubt it) And regarding your comment in another post about constantly
receiving spam ads for "Illegal Nekkid Girlz," I get junk like that all the
time too, and I delete it right away. I'd hardly call that comparable to
amassing a collection of child porn images on CD-ROM though. I realise Nixtr's
your friend, but what he's done is very, very, VERY wrong, in every sense of
the word.
<< And quite frankly, it strikes me as odd that looking at a few photos is
apparently a much more severe crime than advocating murder. But anyway. >>
You've got a family Zob. What if (and I know you don't want to hear this) some
monster did something like this to one of your relatives? I have several young
cousins who I all love dearly, and if any of them were subjected to such
horrible acts of cruelty and indecency, I'd want to clamp my hands around the
perpetrator's neck and snap it like an icicle. I think you'd want to do the
same.
"A few photos" is an unsuitable description for child pornography. Indeed, I
can think of little else as comtemptible, as degrading, as disgusting, or as
WRONG. It's wrong in every sense of the word, to repeat myself. We're not
talking about +18-year old girls who _choose_ to participate; we're talking
about innocent children who are _forced_ to participate, and will likely suffer
trauma for the rest of their lives. Just the thought of it makes me sick.
Look, I obviously don't know Nixtr as well as you do, so I suppose it's easy
for me to talk about what he's done this way. I just want you to consider
carefully all the implications of what he's done before you continue to defend
him. His transgressions don't necessarily mean he's an evil person, but he
still needs to answer for them.
Bottom line, the person I feel the most sympathy for right now is Nixtr's wife.
Dan "Suspsy" Suh
"The strongest tyrant cannot crush freedom of thought." -Brainstorm
Robert Powers
Behold! On Mon, 12 Mar 2001 20:20:25 GMT, N-Bomb <nick...@hotmail.com>
did speak:
(I'd like to
>drop a tanker truck full of jet-fuel at around 30,000 ft one day, and detonate
>it in mid-air!!)
Bwah. You're a man after my own heart.
--
Robert Powers of the Ever-Changing .sig
repo...@uwm.edu
http://www.BuiltStLouis.net/ _________________________
| But why not an OIL TANKER? They're much bigger! __|
Black Zarak
> It somehow seems a little odd now to think that I talked to him a couple
> of times on IRC a few years ago...
Same here. He and his fiancee had someone take a picture of them with myself and
my wife at BotCon 2K. Kinda creepy to have been associated with him. I hope the
authorities don't find that picture and think I'm his porn dealer or something.
--
Black Zarak
za...@csolve.net
"Bravado in the face of death. How droll!"
-- BM Megatron
Robowang who tastes mighty good
>>drop a tanker truck full of jet-fuel at around 30,000 ft one day, and
>detonate
>>it in mid-air!!)
>
> Bwah. You're a man after my own heart.
Mid-Air?! What's that crap? It's gotta hit ground so it can BLOW STUFF UP!
*BOOM* WOO-HA!
Robowang!
Enter the House of 'Wang!
http://www.100megsfree2.com/robowang/houseofwang.html
"He has nice pants." ~ e-Bay feedback given to me by Straxus
Irrellius Prime
I am already sick of seeing 25 new posts to this thread everytime I sign on.
Some people are sickos, Don't post about it to ATT, do what every other sicko
does, E-mail!!
Al-
http://www.Angelfire.com/mi2/Ob1kenoby/
"I wish i had to defend the earth from the darkness."-TrypticonX
"I think hasbro was a fan character."-TrypticonX
"You tried your hardest, and falied miserably. The lesson is, never try"-Homer
Simpson
Aaron F. Bourque
>> I'm not suggesting killing the abortion-doctor would have been
>> right... but it sure sounds more moral than letting him kill
>> thousands of innocent children.
>
>Tell that to women who the the victims of rape, or the young girls that
>are victims of incest.
Whoah, whoah, whoah. Two wrongs don't make a right.
Besides: if there were no incest or rape victims, there would still be
abortions. It's the old anti-gun argument: if we get rid of all the guns,
there'll still be knives, nooses, poison, bombs . . . heck, even bare
hands.
The only way to get rid of a bad thing is to teach people to not do that
bad thing.
Aaron "The Mad Whitaker" Bourque
--
Now with new-improved .sig
Charles Calhoun
news:20010312162158...@ng-cl1.aol.com...
I am eternally grateful that the distance between us prevents me
from punching you right now. When I cooled off, I'd likely feel bad
about it.
> >No, but if he IS viewing pictures of pre-pubescent porn (and I don't
think
> >that that stuff is easy to find), he's guilty of perpetuating child
abuse.
> >PERIOD.
>
> This thread looks like it's going to get inflammatory very fast. I will
just
> point out that a) I get porno spam in my inbox for "ILLEGAL TEENAGE
SLUTS!!!"
> just about every day, so I'd hardly call that sort of thing difficult to
come
> across, and b) your latter claim holds about as much water as saying that
> anyone who owns a copy of "Lethal Weapon" is guilty of perpetuating
murder.
This is one of the more irresponsible statements I've ever heard. Nobody
was murdered in order to make "Lethal Weapon". You've always seemed
to be a reasonably intelligent person, so I assume that you know this.
Movies
aren't real.
However, in order to have a picture of a dirty old man fucking a ten year
old,
it i necessary for said man to rape said ten year old. There is a
signifigant
moral difference between supporting counterfeited immoral acts, and
supporting actual immoral acts. I realize that Morency is a friend of
yours,
and I am sorry that you are having to deal with this, but that does not in
any
way excuse the man's actions.
Zobovor with Crunchy Candy Shell
>I just want you to consider carefully all the implications of what he's
>done before you continue to defend him. His transgressions don't
>necessarily mean he's an evil person, but he still needs to answer for
>them.
I'm not saying he shouldn't be punished for what he *has* done. There is no
reason for people to make baseless accusations about him molesting children,
though. Maybe I'm the only one here able to make the distinction, but looking
at pictures of children is not the same as touching them, and he was not
charged with molesting anybody. If I listen to music with lyrics about raping
women, does that automatically mean I am a rapist? Or does it just mean I have
questionable taste in music?
I realize that Nick has some controversial political views, and apparently
there are a few people here who aren't fond of him personally. I don't want to
get into any arguments with people here whom I like and respect, so I think I'm
going to be staying out of this thread entirely from now on.
--
Dave Edwards
zob...@aol.com
Deszaras
Aaron F. Bourque <aaronb...@aol.commisar> wrote in message
news:20010312211131...@ng-ff1.aol.com...
Well letting people have access to destructive things like guns really
doesnt help the situation any.
Oh yeah, I forgot. Guns dont kill people, people kill people. Isnt that what
they say?
N-Bomb
"Peace is killing us as surely as war ever did"
meaning overpopulation.
We need another war, maybe...
-Nick
Woo! "Jock-o-rama". ~ TrypticonX
N-Bomb
And imagine it raining fire and truck! Cool!
-Nick
"My finger is shining and calling... calling me to kick your ass!"
On 13 Mar 2001 01:51:46 GMT, robo...@aol.com (Robowang who tastes mighty good)
wrote:
Aaron F. Bourque
>Well letting people have access to destructive things like guns really
>doesnt help the situation any.
Doesn't it? A lot of kids have access to guns, and in fact are *trained
in their use* . . . and don't use them to kill *people* except in self-
defense.
>Oh yeah, I forgot. Guns dont kill
>people, people kill people. Isnt that what they say?
Well, in most cases, it's the *bullets* that kill people . . .
There's a lot of truth to the "people kill people" thing though. Just not
all of the truth.
Irrellius Prime
<< >Mid-Air?! What's that crap? It's gotta hit ground so it can BLOW STUFF
UP!
>
>*BOOM* WOO-HA! >>
Very ineffective. Big bombs never hit ground, if they did, half their explosive
force is driven into ground instead of enemy. Bombs blow up a few hundred feet
up, then explosive fire rains down over a large area.
Before altimiters, hampster-wheels were used to determine the proper place in
the air for a bomb to blow up.
Know your implements of destruction, you will need them someday.
Deszaras
Aaron F. Bourque <aaronb...@aol.commisar> wrote in message
> From: "Deszaras" desz...@worldnet.att.net
>
> >Well letting people have access to destructive things like guns really
> >doesnt help the situation any.
>
> Doesn't it? A lot of kids have access to guns, and in fact are *trained
> in their use* . . . and don't use them to kill *people* except in self-
> defense.
Well there still are quite a few people trained in their use and still use
them to kill people in a terroristic manner. Just because someone is trained
in the use of a firearm doesnt mean they always have good intentions.
Problem is that over the years people have perversed the second amendment so
much, making it sound like any joe schmo has the legal right to own his own
personal armory of assault weapons. King George isnt gonna be breaking down
your door anytime soon. The United States is such a joke to the global
community.
Im just getting sick of hearing "Well if guns were banned, then only the
criminals would have guns." Thats such tired conservative rhetoric, with no
actual basis to it. If I remember correctly Britain banned firearms and they
arent being overrun by criminals packing massive firepower.
Thomas Hamann
aaronb...@aol.commisar (Aaron F. Bourque) wrote:
> From: "Deszaras" desz...@worldnet.att.net
>
> >Well letting people have access to destructive things like guns really
> >doesnt help the situation any.
>
> Doesn't it? A lot of kids have access to guns, and in fact are *trained
> in their use* . . . and don't use them to kill *people* except in self-
> defense.
>
You mean like on those school masacres?!?
eg.
Kid #1: "Hey d00ds! I've got a gun! Now I'm going to take revenge on all
of you assholes for calling me a moron..."
Kid #2: "Your kidding..."
*BLAM*
Kid #1: "No , I was not asshole!"
Kid #2: "Argh..." <dies>
Kid #3: "HE HAS A GUUUUUNNN!!!!"
*BLAMBLAMBLAM*
<bloodbath>
Cop #1: "Hey, you! why did you do that! Drop the gun!"
Kid #1: "It was self-defense,"
Cop #2: "He's right. It was self-defense. We have to let him go..."
Does this sound right? No, it doesn't.
Aaron, this is what you're advocating right now. I wonder how many parents
of kids who have been killed by some local nut kid would like to kill you
now...
> >Oh yeah, I forgot. Guns dont kill
> >people, people kill people. Isnt that what they say?
>
> Well, in most cases, it's the *bullets* that kill people . . .
>
Yeah, but the human pulls the trigger. Except for cartoons (Megatron,
anyone), I've never seen a gun that pulls its own trigger...so the human
is responsible for the other human's death.
> There's a lot of truth to the "people kill people" thing though. Just not
> all of the truth.
>
That last statemant's bullshit.
> Aaron "The Mad Whitaker" Bourque
>
> --
> Now with new-improved .sig
--
Thomas Hamann, aka Aziraphale
Eleyre
Zobovor with Crunchy Candy Shell wrote:
> I'm not saying he shouldn't be punished for what he *has* done. There is no
> reason for people to make baseless accusations about him molesting children,
> though. Maybe I'm the only one here able to make the distinction, but looking
> at pictures of children is not the same as touching them, and he was not
> charged with molesting anybody. If I listen to music with lyrics about raping
> women, does that automatically mean I am a rapist? Or does it just mean I have
> questionable taste in music?
The only difference here is that no women were raped to make the lyrics to that
song. Children had to be abused to make these pictures, unless someone's got some
great skills with Photoshop.
Thomas Hamann
In article <tdhamann-130...@macnb82-212.bio.vu.nl>,
tdha...@email.com (Thomas Hamann) wrote:
When I say ' have been killed', I'm talking about the kids, not the
parents...of course...
N-Bomb
Terrorists do the things they do for some kind of gain, either Ideological,
monetary, or other.
And wackos... well, it's our own fault for being a society that tolerates such
things. "They're sick, they need help!" No, they're sick, put them out of their
misery.
There's so much focus on individual rights that society as a whole is taking a
beating. Geez. But the American government was so damn scared of communism that
the mere thought of doing anything in that direction is avoided like the plague.
As long as the government keeps babying the population, thing'll get worse.
Children have parents for a reason.
You know what else? Britain is a much more mature society that that in North
America has been in over 5 decades. That's why it works there.
-Nick
Hardhead: "...It's all thanks to the donkey..."
N-Bomb
-Nick
Woo! "Jock-o-rama". ~ TrypticonX
Douglass Kern
here.
>===== Original Message From zob...@aol.com (Zobovor with Crunchy Candy
Shell) =====
>Daniel M Suh wrote:
>
>>I just want you to consider carefully all the implications of what he's
>>done before you continue to defend him. His transgressions don't
>>necessarily mean he's an evil person, but he still needs to answer for
>>them.
>
>I'm not saying he shouldn't be punished for what he *has* done. There is no
>reason for people to make baseless accusations about him molesting children,
>though. Maybe I'm the only one here able to make the distinction, but
looking
>at pictures of children is not the same as touching them, and he was not
>charged with molesting anybody. If I listen to music with lyrics about
raping
>women, does that automatically mean I am a rapist? Or does it just mean I
have
>questionable taste in music?
There is a big difference in this case. Actual minors were involved to
create
this material, which is one fo the reason why possession of kiddy porn
carries
such high penelties. I will repeat this again, actual kids were molested to
make these cd-roms that he owned. there by owning them, he is surporting
child molestation and is enncouraging more. When he finally leaves prison,
he
will also fall under laws that notify communities of sex offenders against
minors. NJ is pretty strict about such things.
Not to mention he entered a plea bargin agrement. According to the law he
flat out admited his guilt to make sure he did not get a more severe
sentance,
and the outcome was that he is still being sent away for a good ammount of
time.
>I realize that Nick has some controversial political views, and apparently
>there are a few people here who aren't fond of him personally. I don't want
to
>get into any arguments with people here whom I like and respect, so I think
I'm
>going to be staying out of this thread entirely from now on.
Honestly could not care either way on his views. The fact that kids were
hurt
and tramuatized for his sick perversion is what angers me, and is flat out
inexcusable. This not a recent thing either, since accoridng to the court
records, now part of public knowledge, he admited to doing this from at
least
1998.
Robowang who tastes mighty good
>explosive
>force is driven into ground instead of enemy. Bombs blow up a few hundred
>feet
>up, then explosive fire rains down over a large area.
Inneffective? But craters are cool! All those pathetic insects(blegh!) that
are incinerated...it's awesome! I'd want my bomb to leave it's mark...in
crater form. If I gotta cover large area, I'll just use lots of bombs.
Tyme
Is it just me, or was this a joke gone horribly wrong? =P
I thought Salon was just a parody tabloid-ish online newspaper much akin to
The Onion.
Take a step back and re-examine the things you've just said.
Use your common sense, man!
~ Tyme
The Time Traveling Cat
Irrellius Prime
Same desired effect.
superspy
Tyme <juli...@singnet.com.sg> wrote in message
news:98ljvo$6kc$1...@violet.singnet.com.sg...
> *MASSIVE SNIPPAGE*
>
> Is it just me, or was this a joke gone horribly wrong? =P
>
> I thought Salon was just a parody tabloid-ish online newspaper much akin
to
> The Onion.
No, no, no, Tyme. Salon.com is one of the few internet-only magazines that
actually garners a modicum of respect from traditional media outlets. You
can draw many more parallels between them and the New York Times Magazine
than you can The Onion. (Yes, The Onion does have a print edition, but
damned if I can find a copy at my local news stand.) :)
This is very real and very serious. Somewhere in this thread there's a link
to the actual court papers where he plead guilty to all charges.
superspy (Who wouldn't mind one bit working for Salon, they rule.)
TrypticonX
Let's get it for my hunger!my hunger for power!"-megatron,"more than meet's the eye" mathew sibley.still owner of the shadows, darkling of the after movie scene. Count the way out of hostile territory unnoticed.
Max... You little monkey you... Stop throwing your own status with the word 'sir'" points 3 "greatxscape smell of poo" points funniest afder 2000 most popular afd fanfic writer 2000 world's biggest robert axelrod fan! "The trouble with pw is that just to gain *access* the oracle/vs -- which from all the bad news; let's get to meet those kinds of females in the other either. Terrorists and wackos don't count.
Comics megatron was a starsabre and a fucked up society.
Yes you are now prisoners of my shells how can you really don't need help.
Talk about beating around the town, you paint the town and hollywood you gotta give a disbeleiving stare at rest of society.
Geez, i need spankings.
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>
> Is it just me, or was this a joke gone horribly wrong? =P
>
> I thought Salon was just a parody tabloid-ish online newspaper much akin
to
> The Onion.
>
> Take a step back and re-examine the things you've just said.
> Use your common sense, man!
>
Uhm, no, Tyme. This is legit.
ShadowWing
Charles Calhoun wrote
>Zobovor with Crunchy Candy Shell wrote
>>b) your latter claim holds about as much water as saying that
>>murder.
>
>This is one of the more irresponsible statements I've ever heard. Nobody
>was murdered in order to make "Lethal Weapon". You've always seemed
>to be a reasonably intelligent person, so I assume that you know this.
>Movies aren't real.
I think his point was watching movies of people murdering doesn't make
you a murderer. And before you respond to that, it goes along with the next
response.
>However, in order to have a picture of a dirty old man fucking a ten year
>old, it i necessary for said man to rape said ten year old. There is a
>signifigant moral difference between supporting counterfeited immoral
>acts, and supporting actual immoral acts.
The problem is all we know is that he had child pornography. Playboy is
considered pornography, but from what I know (which is very little--even
back when I wasn't as against it as I am today (puberty sucks)) I don't
recall it having pictures of sex; just naked women. As far as we know, all
he had was nude kids who were talked into various poses. Which is not
exactly a good thing, but it means the kids weren't raped. Not physically,
anyway, though I'm sure this may have an effect emotionally. A bit
technical, but like the great bard wrote, "if we're going to be damned,
let's be damned for who we really are". (And don't ask me which bard--I got
it from the pilot ep. of Star Trek:The Next Generation.)
> I realize that Morency is a friend of yours, and I am sorry that you
>are having to deal with this, but that does not in any way excuse the
>man's actions.
Oh, believe me, I'm not supporting his actions in any way, shape, or
form. I'm a conservative Christian who is opposed to abortion, but I don't
support what amounts to hiring a hitman. I also don't favor kiddie porn
(free speech my @$$!), and think pedophiles need serious help. However, I
also follow the addage "judge not lest ye be judged". His actions are
morally wrong--I'd even say apprehensible. But I think Zob should be given
some credit for standing behind his friend. Nixtr--and his wife, who must be
having a tough time of her own) could use some support. And perhaps some
therapy or time with his pastor/the Lord. Hate the sin, not the sinners.
(Although some guys make that difficult.)
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>
> Charles Calhoun wrote
> >Zobovor with Crunchy Candy Shell wrote
> >>b) your latter claim holds about as much water as saying that
> >>anyone who owns a copy of "Lethal Weapon" is guilty of perpetuating+
> >>murder.
> >
> >This is one of the more irresponsible statements I've ever heard. Nobody
> >was murdered in order to make "Lethal Weapon". You've always seemed
> >to be a reasonably intelligent person, so I assume that you know this.
> >Movies aren't real.
>
> I think his point was watching movies of people murdering doesn't make
> you a murderer. And before you respond to that, it goes along with the
next
> response.
[snip]
Ahh, but I believe the point is, regardless of what causes a person to
commit an act of murder, the victim can only be killed once. When it comes
to kiddie porn, *every* single person who receives some sort of pleasure
from that child's photo is molesting that child over and over again.
If you shot me in the head, hey, go ahead and slice my fingers off while you
are at it. Burn and stab me too, what difference does it make, I'm dead, I
don't have to live with the pain thereafter, wherein a child who is abused
in this manner relives this abuse day to day for the rest of their lives.
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Tyme
> This is very real and very serious. Somewhere in
> this thread there's a link to the actual court papers
> where he plead guilty to all charges.
*turns green* Ewwwww.... so it was true?
*shudder*
But it still doesn't warrant name-calling though
Zepherimus
and really should be punished, and most severely. The fact that he did own
child pornography and it seems an abundant amount of it, clearly means that
he enjoyed it, and might potentially indulge himself. We aren't talking
about the "Illegal Girlz... you can't find this $#!+, anywhere else!!!"
we're talking about small children, being abused for a group of sick
individuals pleasure. You have small children yourself, and I can hardly
believe you'd try to defend him. Honestly, he'll be lucky if he makes it
the 6 or so years that he's going to get. Prisoners don't take kindly to
child molesters, and i'd doubt they'll care if Nixtr didn't actually do
anything but get off to child porn. He'll most likely get beat every day of
his sentence.
Zepherimus
And I can't say as I care.
BW Sidecutter
That said...everyone seems to automatically assume it was *young* children. I
would ask everyone to keep in mind that in the USA, Child Pornography is
considered to be anything depicting children of ANY AGE UNDER 18 in sexual
poses or acts, be they hardcore of softcore. So even if all he had was CDs
full of pictures of 16 and 17 year olds, that would get him child porn charges.
I'm not going to debate the specifics of the case since I could care less
about this event or what he gets for doing what. Just making a note that seems
to have been forgotten.
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"BW Sidecutter" <wrait...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Get this straight before proceeding folks, I'm not taking sides here.
>
Generally discounted, actually. It would be difficult to tell a sixteen or
seventeen year old "model" from an eighteen year old...or even older.
Oftentimes the only way you could tell is if they had a sign that says "I'm
underaged." Or unless there was documentation with the pornography. Why
would there be, though? What would make someone get off on seventeen year
olds instead of eighteen year olds? The thrill of breaking the law? I don't
buy it.
Again, it's not like he only had one picture in his cache--which could be in
there by mistake--he had CD-ROMs full of the stuff. The paperwork said it
had been delivered through interstate commerce (does it mention the web?) I
don't see why someone would go out of their way to get nudie pictures (or,
more likely, hardcore porn) of sixteen or seventeen year olds when legal
images could easily have been substituted.
Doug Kern
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Not to mention there would have be no case here unless they had solid,
full evidence against him. This is not something the authoritites take
lightly. Hence so they would not have proceded in the above case, way
too flimsy a case. THis is the sort of crime they would make sure that
all the evidence panned out before the charges were brought.
Not to mention he pled. I will say it again pled GUILTY. In the eye
sof the state he is fully admitting he is comitting wrong doing. There
probally was no way in hell he could have wormed his way out of this and
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Aaron F. Bourque
>> Doesn't it? A lot of kids have access to guns, and in fact are
>> *trained in their use* . . . and don't use them to kill *people* except
>> in self-defense.
>
>Well there still are quite a few people trained in their use and still use
>them to kill people in a terroristic manner. Just because someone is
>trained in the use of a firearm doesnt mean they always have good
>intentions.
Which is exactly my point: teach your children well, then they'll have
those Good intentions (not just good).
>Im just getting sick of hearing "Well if guns were banned, then only
>the criminals would have guns." Thats such tired conservative
>rhetoric, with no actual basis to it.
The "actual basis" is the fact that most criminals with guns have stolen
guns.
But banning guns solves only one problem: fewer deaths by gunshot
wound. There will still be deaths. That's all I was saying.
Aaron F. Bourque
>In article <20010313003645...@ng-fl1.aol.com>,
>aaronb...@aol.commisar (Aaron F. Bourque) wrote:
>
>> From: "Deszaras" desz...@worldnet.att.net
>>
>> >Well letting people have access to destructive things like guns
>> >really doesnt help the situation any.
>>
>> Doesn't it? A lot of kids have access to guns, and in fact are
>> *trained in their use* . . . and don't use them to kill *people* except
>> in self-defense.
>>
>You mean like on those school masacres?!?
a) Those school shootings are flukes, statistically speaking.
b) Those school shootings are often pulled off by children who "have
issues." My whole point is that more responsible parenting will get rid
of a lot of the problems in our (human, not United States) society.
I mean, *I* was never trained in the use of guns: my dad used to
hunt, though, and he taught me to respect and appreciate what a gun
can do. If I have kids, I don't know if I'll train them in the use of guns
or not, but I *will* teach them the same way I was.
><bloodbath>
Did you know that bathing in blood can actually get you cleaner than
bathing in soap and water? You'll have to rinse the blood off
afterwards, but you'll get rid of a lot more bacterium.
</non sequiter>
>Aaron, this is what you're advocating right now.
No, what I'm advocating right now is responsible parenting.
>I wonder how many parents of kids who have been killed by some
>local nut kid would like to kill you now...
Plenty. And you know why? They were never taught right from wrong.
>> >Oh yeah, I forgot. Guns dont kill people, people kill people. Isnt
>> >that what they say?
>>
>> Well, in most cases, it's the *bullets* that kill people . . .
>>
>Yeah, but the human pulls the trigger. Except for cartoons
>(Megatron, anyone), I've never seen a gun that pulls its own
>trigger...so the human is responsible for the other human's death.
Well . . . improperly handled older gun designs could go off on their
own.
>> There's a lot of truth to the "people kill people" thing though. Just
>> not all of the truth.
>>
>That last statemant's bullshit.
You mean it *is* all the truth? :p
Tyme
> You mean like on those school masacres?!?
Not really a very effective way to send the message across to the jocks to
stop picking on non-jocks, huh?
Zepherimus
I
>would ask everyone to keep in mind that in the USA, Child Pornography is
>considered to be anything depicting children of ANY AGE UNDER 18 in sexual
>poses or acts, be they hardcore of softcore
Behind on the thread again Sidecutter, this is taken from Zobs message above
:
****When investigators examined his computer, they also found CD-ROMS
containing
numerous sexual images of pre-pubescent children. Some showed children being
subjected to sexual violence, officials said. *****
You know what Pre-Pubescent means, so there isn't a need to bother with that
one, and I think everyone is clear on the last sentence as well. Nick had
small child porn, and even some that showed sexually explicit acts. In
other words, little kids getting raped while being photographed.
Zepherimus
Hooks
> everyone seems to automatically assume it was *young* children
*snip*
http://news.findlaw.com/cnn/docs/morency/usvmorencyplea.pdf
Page 6.
(X)
Thylacine 2000
> Get this straight before proceeding folks, I'm not taking sides here.
>
> That said...everyone seems to automatically assume it was *young* children.
We're not assuming. The Reuters article, which was posted by Zob yesterday,
clearly states that the material was strictly pre-pubescent children, some of whom
were obviously the recipients of, quote, "sexual violence".
So much for ambiguity.
BW Sidecutter
>b) Those school shootings are often pulled off by children who "have
>issues." My whole point is that more responsible parenting will get rid
>of a lot of the problems in our (human, not United States) society.
Bwahhhh. Not anymore. Not is young punks who saw Columbine on TV and said
"Heeeeeeeey...if I shoot up my school, I'll be famous! Everyone in the country
will hear about me and see me on TV! Instant star!". They don't have any
legitimate gripe with the world to back it up, they just want to be on TV.
Charles Calhoun
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> Charles Calhoun wrote
> The problem is all we know is that he had child pornography. Playboy
is
> considered pornography, but from what I know (which is very little--even
> back when I wasn't as against it as I am today (puberty sucks)) I don't
> recall it having pictures of sex; just naked women. As far as we know, all
> he had was nude kids who were talked into various poses. Which is not
> exactly a good thing, but it means the kids weren't raped. Not physically,
> anyway, though I'm sure this may have an effect emotionally. A bit
> technical, but like the great bard wrote, "if we're going to be damned,
> let's be damned for who we really are". (And don't ask me which bard--I
got
> it from the pilot ep. of Star Trek:The Next Generation.)
I wish that were the case. A few other people in this thread have posted
links
to the Reuters article and to the plea bargain itself, which make it clear
that
the victims were shown being subjected to "sexual violence".
> > I realize that Morency is a friend of yours, and I am sorry that you
> >are having to deal with this, but that does not in any way excuse the
> >man's actions.
>
> Oh, believe me, I'm not supporting his actions in any way, shape, or
> form. I'm a conservative Christian who is opposed to abortion, but I don't
> support what amounts to hiring a hitman. I also don't favor kiddie porn
> (free speech my @$$!), and think pedophiles need serious help. However, I
> also follow the addage "judge not lest ye be judged". His actions are
> morally wrong--I'd even say apprehensible. But I think Zob should be given
> some credit for standing behind his friend. Nixtr--and his wife, who must
be
> having a tough time of her own) could use some support. And perhaps some
> therapy or time with his pastor/the Lord. Hate the sin, not the sinners.
> (Although some guys make that difficult.)
Right, and I understand that. I simply wanted to make it clear that even in
the
course of supporting a friend, it is utterly irresponsible to defend actions
such as these.
Zepherimus
>Bwahhhh. Not anymore. Not is young punks who saw Columbine on TV and said
>"Heeeeeeeey...if I shoot up my school, I'll be famous! Everyone in the
country
>will hear about me and see me on TV! Instant star!". They don't have any
>legitimate gripe with the world to back it up, they just want to be on TV.
The media is to blame. Every station had live coverage of every angle to be
had of Columbine. We got to see people running, bloody kids sliding out
windows leaving red trails behind them. Not only was it covered, it was
hyped. We heard about that damn shooting for no less than 3 to 4 months...
There are some things the people shouldn't know. Take the Vietnam War,
the first war to be truly televised. They showed on the news people getting
shot, houses being torched, and it made the US vets look like bad guys.
What the hell did people think war was? Did they automatically assume that
in WW2 we went over and had tea and cookies with the Nazi's?
I remember some operation in Desert Storm (or Shield) where a covert team
was going to land on a beach and go in and attack. When they pulled up to
the beach, lights flashed on and there was CNN waiting for them.
Zepherimus
Now, call it evil, but I'd have ordered them to be shot, and the mission
would go as planned.
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coordinate Mon, 12 Mar 2001 18:52:58 GMT, "SILVERBOLT - Mr. Vertigo
Himself" <silve...@os.enitel.no> formulated :
>"Thomas Hamann" <tdha...@email.com> wrote:
>
>> Growl1 wrote:
>>
>> > > Can someone tell me what the page is about, before I look at it while
>> > > I'm in one of my University's computer rooms? I don't want to see
>> > > something utterly disgusting while other people can see what I'm
>> > > looking at...
>> >
>> > Its an article about someone being arrested for putting a bounty on
>> > abortion doctors and owning child pornography. The person it is about
>> > went by the name "The_Nixtr". It's clean.
>> >
>> And you're sure it is the same person?
>
>I don't think, even in North America, that there are too many people
>named Nick Morency and who just happen to be 30 years of age...
Well, considering the amount of people in some countries who have the
same name...it could be possible.
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Andrew Crane
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> > And besides, abortion IS wrong.
> "My bible told me so."
Err, Joona is an Atheist.
> > I'm not suggesting killing the
> > abortion-doctor would have been right... but it sure sounds more moral
> > than letting him kill thousands of innocent children.
> Tell that to women who the the victims of rape, or the young girls
> that are victims of incest.
True. Also, abortion is one of the most traumatic experiences women can
face. I doubt the vast majority of women who have abortions actually enjoy
the fact that a helpless foestus is surgically removed from their womb and
incinerated.
I don't like the idea of abortion myself, but I do think it should be
available for women who need it. Especially without the fear of
intimidation or harm from people who oppose abortion.
Andrew Crane
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> >Tell that to women who the the victims of rape, or the young girls that
> >are victims of incest.
Tell that to the various "pro-life" militants in America who kill people
in the name of their beliefs. That seems very wrong to my set of values;
enforcing a set of views in such an extreme way.
> Besides: if there were no incest or rape victims, there would still be
> abortions. It's the old anti-gun argument: if we get rid of all the
guns,
> there'll still be knives, nooses, poison, bombs . . . heck, even bare
> hands.
Well, guns do make killing easier (but I won't get into that argument
here). The American gun debate is a totally vicious circle, really.
> The only way to get rid of a bad thing is to teach people to not do
> that bad thing.
That approach isn't very effective. If it was, crime and deviancy
whouldn't exist in any civilised culture...
Brian Kilby
"Andrew Crane" <raichu_...@totalise.co.uk> wrote in message
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> "Hooks" <hoo...@gte.net> wrote in message
> news:0Zcr6.47$V55....@dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net...
> > > And besides, abortion IS wrong.
> > "My bible told me so."
>
> Err, Joona is an Atheist.
Hooks knows. That's why he said it that way.
Joona I Palaste
> "Hooks" <hoo...@gte.net> wrote in message
> news:0Zcr6.47$V55....@dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net...
>> > And besides, abortion IS wrong.
>> "My bible told me so."
> Err, Joona is an Atheist.
So I am. Why should hating abortion be only allowed to Christians? And
another thing I hate is lumping abortion and contraception together.
The majority of Christians are either against both, or for both. What's
wrong with being against abortion and for contraception, like me?
>> > I'm not suggesting killing the
>> > abortion-doctor would have been right... but it sure sounds more moral
>> > than letting him kill thousands of innocent children.
>> Tell that to women who the the victims of rape, or the young girls
>> that are victims of incest.
> True. Also, abortion is one of the most traumatic experiences women can
> face. I doubt the vast majority of women who have abortions actually enjoy
> the fact that a helpless foestus is surgically removed from their womb and
> incinerated.
The pain suffered by the woman (both physical and sentimental) is an
issue that must be taken into account, yes, but the thing that I think
is the most important is the child itself. It has done nothing wrong.
Did it ask to be born? Did it ask its mother to be raped, or incested?
No it bloody well didn't.
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Deszaras
Aaron F. Bourque <aaronb...@aol.commisar> wrote in message
> From: "Deszaras" desz...@worldnet.att.net
>
> >> Doesn't it? A lot of kids have access to guns, and in fact are
> >> *trained in their use* . . . and don't use them to kill *people* except
> >> in self-defense.
Suuuure, they're trained that way, but it unfortunately doesnt end up that
way. Its just a proven fact that a kid is far more likely to shoot their
older brother sneaking in at night than they are to shoot a burglar.
> >
> >Well there still are quite a few people trained in their use and still
use
> >them to kill people in a terroristic manner. Just because someone is
> >trained in the use of a firearm doesnt mean they always have good
> >intentions.
>
> Which is exactly my point: teach your children well, then they'll have
> those Good intentions (not just good).
So you're saying its the fault of the parents?
Say someone has three children. One turns out to be a lawyer, another a
doctor, and the other a murderer. Does that make them bad parents?
Or is your solution to have Eddie The Eagle make rounds at schools?
>
> >Im just getting sick of hearing "Well if guns were banned, then only
> >the criminals would have guns." Thats such tired conservative
> >rhetoric, with no actual basis to it.
>
> The "actual basis" is the fact that most criminals with guns have stolen
> guns.
If firearms are banned where do you plan for them to steal them from.
Smugglers maybe?
Its a fact that many violent crimes with guns are comitted by repeat
offenders. Thats because of the lack of logical background checks and
waiting periods that you gun nuts are so paranoid of. If we had such
background checks there would be nothing to fear of a law abiding citizen or
sportsman who wished to own a firearm. But even that is unacceptable by the
Republican hard liners and the NRA.
>
> But banning guns solves only one problem: fewer deaths by gunshot
> wound. There will still be deaths. That's all I was saying.
Significantly less deaths. 64% of all murders in the United States in 1998
were comitted with a firearm. There will be murder, but how easy is it for a
kid to slaughter 25 classmates with a large blade. Guns make killing far
easier and more efficient.
Deszaras
> The pain suffered by the woman (both physical and sentimental) is an
> issue that must be taken into account, yes, but the thing that I think
> is the most important is the child itself. It has done nothing wrong.
> Did it ask to be born? Did it ask its mother to be raped, or incested?
> No it bloody well didn't.
But no one has the right to tell a woman what to do with HER body. In the
event of rape or incest that woman had her body violated and such a
pregnancy is a product of that violation. As unpleasant as Abortion may be,
its up to the individual who is having it done, not some bigwig politician.