Short shot error on Babylon 5 Season 4 disc #5
Kevin M. Dean
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Looks like they screwed up a short shot on the B5 set. When i was
watching Episode 19 on disc 5 during the credit scenes after the
opening titles there's a shot of Franklin approaching Garibaldi with a
hood on that appears twice.... the second time after Garibaldi already
has the hood off. The audio is correct though and the shot is only a
couple of seconds long so it's not too horrible, just stupid.
Can anyone confirm the same?
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Gordon B. Alley
"Kevin M. Dean" <ke...@rhubarbproductions.com> wrote:
> Looks like they screwed up a short shot on the B5 set. When i was
> watching Episode 19 on disc 5 during the credit scenes after the
> opening titles there's a shot of Franklin approaching Garibaldi with a
> hood on that appears twice.... the second time after Garibaldi already
> has the hood off. The audio is correct though and the shot is only a
> couple of seconds long so it's not too horrible, just stupid.
>
> Can anyone confirm the same?
Yep. I see the same thing here. Its the part where Franklin is walking
from his initial position beside Number 1 toward Garibaldi to pull the
hood off his head.
The first time you see the move, Franklin follows through and pulls the
hood off. Then there are some tight shots, and about the time Garibaldi
is saying "it was Bester", there's a quick cut and here comes Franklin
again, but this time it cuts back to the correct video before he reaches
for the hood. As you say, the audio is correct.
I went back and checked an old tape I had of the episode, and I'm pretty
sure it wasn't in the original episode. The reason I'm not sure is that,
while jockeying that old tape back and forth to find the spot, I guess
the tape, which hadn't been played in years, stuck to itself or
something and came unraveled inside my VCR! I managed to extract it, but
the tape got pretty mangled, and all the damage was right around that
particular scene! After winding the tape back and forth in a rewinder a
few times to try to flatten out the major krinkles, I played through the
scene. Parts of it are undeciferable, but from what I could see, I'm
pretty sure that bad cut didn't happen.
Another good reason to have the DVDs! :-)
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barbielon5
I just checked my video tapes and on my old recordings from TV this
DVD mistake isn´t there. (BTW: The name of the episode we are
referring to is: "Between the Darkness and the Light")
Yours
Barbara M.
Aisling Willow Grey
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> Looks like they screwed up a short shot on the B5 set. When i was
> watching Episode 19 on disc 5 during the credit scenes after the
> opening titles there's a shot of Franklin approaching Garibaldi with a
> hood on that appears twice.... the second time after Garibaldi already
> has the hood off. The audio is correct though and the shot is only a
> couple of seconds long so it's not too horrible, just stupid.
>
> Can anyone confirm the same?<<
Good catch -- although it's so obvious, I'm sure everyone will notice it upon
first viewing the episode. And I'm surprised whoever edited the DVD sets
_didn't_! It's almost like a video echo, that horrible technique used in so
many 80s videos -- you see Franklin walking toward Garibaldi, whose hood is
up...they cut to an unhooded Garibaldi who says a few words...then when they
cut back to Franklin, it's the same shot we've just seen of him walking
toward Garibaldi, whose hood is up.
Aisling
Mac Breck
Star Riders clan.
Edger Industries is one of the biggest megacorps. on Earth?
Earth?? No, Mars.
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Aphelion
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> I just checked my video tapes and on my old recordings from TV this
> DVD mistake isn´t there. (BTW: The name of the episode we are
> referring to is: "Between the Darkness and the Light")
Yet another reason why I won't touch these DVDs with biohazard gloves.
Aphelion
Den
208.239.203.48:
> Neroon was a members of the Star Raiders clan? Raiders??
Sure, hes part of a group that likes old Atari games ;o)
Aisling Willow Grey
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> Neroon was a members of the Star Raiders clan? Raiders??
> Star Riders clan.
>
> Edger Industries is one of the biggest megacorps. on Earth?
> Earth?? No, Mars.<<
Well, if we're going to nitpick little things like a planet, isn't it
"Edgars"? :-)
Although you're probably right to complain -- I'm sure Bill Gates would be
very upset to know that Bill Edgars was getting his credit! <g>
Aisling
Aisling Willow Grey
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Wow. A tiny little inconsequential glitch like that is enough to ruin your
enjoyment of probably the greatest story ever told on television, in
gloriously clear, commercial-free digital transfers?
Sorry to hear it.
Aisling
Kevin M. Dean
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B. Alley <gal...@texas.net> wrote:
I checked my tape which was recorded from the original satellite wild
feed all those years ago and it was not that way during broadcast. The
closeup of Garibaldi originally plays through that scene whereas now
the extra shot interrupts the Garibaldi closeup and then returns back
to it afterward. This probably happened when they were redoing the
credits for widescreen. Though not as bad as the infamous teapot, did
Sci-Fi Channel have this error or is it a dvd only "feature"?
Aisling Willow Grey
(in message <100120041013075841%ke...@rhubarbproductions.com>):
>
> I checked my tape which was recorded from the original satellite wild
> feed all those years ago and it was not that way during broadcast. The
> closeup of Garibaldi originally plays through that scene whereas now
> the extra shot interrupts the Garibaldi closeup and then returns back
> to it afterward. This probably happened when they were redoing the
> credits for widescreen. Though not as bad as the infamous teapot, did
> Sci-Fi Channel have this error or is it a dvd only "feature"?<<
I just checked my tape from one of the SciFi channel broadcasts (don't
remember which time, but probably first or second), and the glitch is there.
The erroneous frames, with the replaced hood, and Franklin walking the same
path over to Garibaldi, is simultaneous with the credit for Production
Designer John Iacovelli.
Aisling
Mac Breck
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> >>On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 20:55:11 -0500, Mac Breck wrote
> (in message <btqacv$k71$0...@208.239.203.48>):
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> > Neroon was a members of the Star Raiders clan?
Raiders??
> > Star Riders clan.
> >
> > Edger Industries is one of the biggest megacorps. on
Earth?
> > Earth?? No, Mars.<<
>
> Well, if we're going to nitpick little things like a
planet, isn't it
> "Edgars"? :-)
Should have been "Edgars' Industries." Oh well, at least
Edgers and Edgars sounds the same, unlike "Earth" and
"Mars." I didn't change out a whole planet, complete with a
vid. showing Earth. <g>
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barbielon5
But at the moment the B5 DVDs seem to be the best way to preserve the
episodes for eternity (or at least for as long as I will walk this
earth). The data crystal hasn´t been invented, yet. ;-)
Yours,
Barbara M.
Thunder v.20.04
keeping it back so he can help the entertainment industry sell more DVDs! ;)
Damn government!
t.k.
Pelzo63
the teapot is a Sci-Fi only feature. and it was only the first or second run on
SFC that had that scene, IIRC
...Chris
People like you make me want to access your brain, and type rm -r -f /
barbielon5
Teapot, which teapot ?
yours,
Barbara M.
Mac Breck
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> > I checked my tape which was recorded from the original
satellite wild
> > feed all those years ago and it was not that way during
broadcast. The
> > closeup of Garibaldi originally plays through that scene
whereas now
> > the extra shot interrupts the Garibaldi closeup and then
returns back
> > to it afterward. This probably happened when they were
redoing the
> > credits for widescreen. Though not as bad as the
infamous teapot, did
> > Sci-Fi Channel have this error or is it a dvd only
"feature"?
>
> Teapot, which teapot ?
The Narn Command and Control ship/station that looked
exactly like Londo's teapot, in "Midnight on the Firing
Line" (in Sci-Fi's 1st, and possibly 2nd airing).
Andrew Swallow
> > I checked my tape which was recorded from the original satellite wild
> > feed all those years ago and it was not that way during broadcast. The
> > closeup of Garibaldi originally plays through that scene whereas now
> > the extra shot interrupts the Garibaldi closeup and then returns back
> > to it afterward. This probably happened when they were redoing the
> > credits for widescreen. Though not as bad as the infamous teapot, did
> > Sci-Fi Channel have this error or is it a dvd only "feature"?
>
> Teapot, which teapot ?
>
USA widescreen only. Now corrected.
Andrew Swallow
Joseph DeMartino
There was an editing error when they first assembled the widescreen masters
(which were first used as broadcast tapes for the U.S. Sci-Fi Channel and
later for the DVDs)
In "Midnight" Sinclair and some Starfuries are pursuing a group of raiders.
Back on the station Londo is contemplating murder. He will shortly
disassemble what appears to be a coffee or teapot (probably a jala pot) and
reassemble some of its components as a weapon.
At a certain point Sinclair breaks off the pursuit and heads in the opposite
direction. He has deduced that the raiders are trying to decoy him away
from their command and control ship. In the finished episode the sequence
runs approximately like this:
(Close-up on Sinclair) "They couldn't operate this deep in space without a
command and control ship A C&C ship that looks something like..."
Cut to a CGI shot of an asteroid that slowly moves out of the frame,
revealing the raiders' C&C ship just as Sinclair finishes his line with the
word "that!"
When assembling the widescreen version the editor dropped in a shot of
Londo's "teapot" sitting on the table where the CGI insert of the mothership
should have been, with unintentionally hilarious results. The error was
corrected during later SFC airings, so the master was fixed before the DVDs
were made. It would have made a lovely extra though. I'm told that at
least one person has digitized just those few seconds of video and made it
available on various file-sharing systems. I suppose than anyone wishing to
see it could go looking for it.
Regards,
Joe
Aisling Willow Grey
Narn? Not Narn. It was a bunch of raiders, wasn't it?
Aisling
Chris Adams
>Narn? Not Narn. It was a bunch of raiders, wasn't it?
It was a raider C&C ship, but it had a Narn "weapons advisor" on board.
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> Once upon a time, Aisling Willow Grey
<ais...@fjordstone.com> said:
> >Narn? Not Narn. It was a bunch of raiders, wasn't it?
>
> It was a raider C&C ship, but it had a Narn "weapons
advisor" on board.
I don't think it was ever stated one way or the other, whose
C&C ship it was.
Graeme Kingston
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For all intents and purposes, it was a Raider C&C ship. It was certainly
being used by Raiders as a C&C mother ship. If it were actually being run by
the Narn regime there surely would have been more than one Narn "advisor".
It was most likely built and supplied to the Raiders by the Narn.
Graeme
Kevin M. Dean
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In article <c5baf10d.04011...@posting.google.com>,
barbielon5 <fallens...@aol.com> wrote:
> "Kevin M. Dean" <ke...@rhubarbproductions.com> wrote in message
> news:<100120041013075841%ke...@rhubarbproductions.com>...
> >
> > I checked my tape which was recorded from the original satellite wild
> > feed all those years ago and it was not that way during broadcast. The
> > closeup of Garibaldi originally plays through that scene whereas now
> > the extra shot interrupts the Garibaldi closeup and then returns back
> > to it afterward. This probably happened when they were redoing the
> > credits for widescreen. Though not as bad as the infamous teapot, did
> > Sci-Fi Channel have this error or is it a dvd only "feature"?
>
> Teapot, which teapot ?
When SciFi first started airing the show, one of the first season
episodes had a shot of a teapot appear in the middle of an episode.
This teapot was totally not B5 related. Apparently it came from another
project the company doing the work on B5 was working on. The teapot
problem was later fixed for subsequent airings.
Aisling Willow Grey
(in message <130120041122005745%ke...@rhubarbproductions.com>):
That isn't correct. The teapot was from a subsequent scene in the same
episode. It was a teapot in Londo's quarters. Actually, I'm not going to
bother to re-explain it when Joe DeMartino has already done such a great job
of it on this thread (see his note of Tuesday).
Aisling
barbielon5
without a
>command and control ship A C&C ship that looks something like..."
>Cut to a CGI shot of an asteroid that slowly moves out of the frame,
>revealing the raiders' C&C ship just as Sinclair finishes his line
with the
>word "that!"
>When assembling the widescreen version the editor dropped in a shot
of
>Londo's "teapot" sitting on the table where the CGI insert of the
mothership
>should have been, with unintentionally hilarious results. The error
was
>corrected during later SFC airings, so the master was fixed before
the DVDs
>were made. It would have made a lovely extra though. I'm told that
at
>least one person has digitized just those few seconds of video and
made it
>available on various file-sharing systems. I suppose than anyone
wishing to
>see it could go looking for it.
>Regards,
>Joe
Thanx for the info. Now, that愀 really a good one <lol>, I惴 still
trying to recover from it... :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)
Would love to see it some day.
So, it wasn愒 the Narn, but the Centauri supporting those damn raiders
<lol>....
Yours
Barbara M.
Bruce Goatly
"Joseph DeMartino" <jdem...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> When assembling the widescreen version the editor dropped in a shot of
> Londo's "teapot" sitting on the table where the CGI insert of the mothership
> should have been, with unintentionally hilarious results. The error was
> corrected during later SFC airings, so the master was fixed before the DVDs
> were made. It would have made a lovely extra though. I'm told that at
> least one person has digitized just those few seconds of video and made it
> available on various file-sharing systems. I suppose than anyone wishing to
> see it could go looking for it.
I don't recall whose site it was on originally - sorry! - but I've now put
it up on my site at <www.goatly.co.uk/B5teapot.mpg> if anyone is still
interested.
Bruce
Aisling Willow Grey
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> www.goatly.co.uk/B5teapot.mpg<<
You rock, Bruce. Thanks so much!
Aisling
Bruce Goatly
Aisling Willow Grey <ais...@fjordstone.com> wrote:
> You rock, Bruce. Thanks so much!
Only too glad to help!
Bruce