what's the go with Lovecraftian magic?
Mike Tice
> Could someone please tell me exactly why it is that there is a
> sub-branch of magic (I'll spell it any way I bloody-well like, thank you
> very much. Just by adding a 'k' on the end does not make it post-modern or
> powerful. It only means that it is spelt differently) devoted to the dieties
> of the Lovecraft cycles. In my travels about the net (like some kind of
> doomed wanderer, eg - Melmoth), I have come across a little bit of what
> appears to be magic based around his mythos of entities (if you don't know
> what I mean, try looking up "Lovecraft" or "Cthulhu" using Avatarsearch).
> Could somebody please explain what it is that it is that this is? ;o)
Because occultist wankers are usually too stupid or unimaginative to make
up their own baloney, so they borrow other people's baloney.
--Mike
"We know nothing except through logical analysis, and if we reject
that sole connexion with reality, we might as well stop trying to
be adults and retreat into the capricious dream-world of infantility."
-- HP Lovecraft, letter to Robert E. Howard 8/16/32
Erich Zann
sub-branch of magic (I'll spell it any way I bloody-well like, thank you
very much. Just by adding a 'k' on the end does not make it post-modern or
powerful. It only means that it is spelt differently) devoted to the dieties
of the Lovecraft cycles. In my travels about the net (like some kind of
doomed wanderer, eg - Melmoth), I have come across a little bit of what
appears to be magic based around his mythos of entities (if you don't know
what I mean, try looking up "Lovecraft" or "Cthulhu" using Avatarsearch).
Could somebody please explain what it is that it is that this is? ;o)
Regards,
E.Z.
"Just remember when you're feeling very small and insecure
How amazingly ulikely is your birth
And pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space
'Cause there's bugger all down here on Earth."
Eric Idle - The Galaxy Song from "The
Meaning of Life"
Robert McKay
>From: "Erich Zann" Nyarla...@mail.com
>Date: Fri, 19 November 1999 05:00 PM EST
> Could someone please tell me exactly why it is that there is a
>sub-branch of magic (I'll spell it any way I bloody-well like, thank you
>very much. Just by adding a 'k' on the end does not make it post-modern or
>powerful. It only means that it is spelt differently) devoted to the dieties
>of the Lovecraft cycles. In my travels about the net (like some kind of
>doomed wanderer, eg - Melmoth), I have come across a little bit of what
>appears to be magic based around his mythos of entities (if you don't know
>what I mean, try looking up "Lovecraft" or "Cthulhu" using Avatarsearch).
>Could somebody please explain what it is that it is that this is? ;o)
Basically ignorance. There are people who don't realize that the
*Necronomicon* and the various Lovecraftian deities are fictional - HPL
described these things with great realism.
And there are some people who wouldn't believe they're fictional if HPL himself
said so, as in fact he did.
Robert McKay/Raibeart MacAoidh
AOL - Goffs California
E-mail - goffsca...@aol.com
November 7, 1999 - Baltimore Ravens 41, Cleveland Browns 9
Friday Jones
<Nyarla...@mail.com> wrote:
> Could someone please tell me exactly why it is that there is a
>sub-branch of magic (I'll spell it any way I bloody-well like, thank you
>very much. Just by adding a 'k' on the end does not make it post-modern or
>powerful. It only means that it is spelt differently) devoted to the dieties
>of the Lovecraft cycles. In my travels about the net (like some kind of
>doomed wanderer, eg - Melmoth), I have come across a little bit of what
>appears to be magic based around his mythos of entities (if you don't know
>what I mean, try looking up "Lovecraft" or "Cthulhu" using Avatarsearch).
>Could somebody please explain what it is that it is that this is? ;o)
LaVey's "The Satanic Rituals" has one, or possibly two, rituals to
Lovecraftian dieties.
For him, I think it may have been the humor factor of watching geeky male
cultists shiver in thin robes while trying to pronounce the names of the
Unnameable.
And watching non-geeky female cultists in thin robes is a reward unto itself.
Belief is important - not what you believe in.
Martin Evans
Ward got into Satanism after the "Batman" series went bellyup just to
bang cult chicks.
No, I'm not a troll and I'm not kidding.
vonj...@hotmail.com
goffsca...@aol.com.Inchon (Robert McKay) wrote:
> Basically ignorance. There are people who don't realize that the
> *Necronomicon* and the various Lovecraftian deities are fictional -
>HPL described these things with great realism.
> And there are some people who wouldn't believe they're fictional if
>HPL himself said so, as in fact he did.
Some, but not all. Allow me to explain.
There are those who see Lovecraft's writing as fiction, yet who use
it for magic. Traditionally, magic has involved invocations to spirits
and gods of one's particular culture, which are believed to have the
power to empower magic. This is either because the spirits have
became real due to power gained from their worshipers, or as concepts
that have deep significance for the magician and that allow him/her
to draw power from within). The justifications for using Lovecraftian
magic are mainly these two:
1) Lots of people have tried to summon the Old Ones, believed in
the Necronomicon, etc. Because of the energy expended in this way,
these ideas have taken on a spiritual significance of their own,
and can be tapped into to harness their power.
2) In a world in which traditional gods and spirits have lost their
hold on the popular imagination, new symbols are needed. Thus, if
our magician has read a great deal of Lovecraft, they can manipulate
his gods as symbols to call up their emotions and (thereby) their
inner power.
Hey, I didn't say anyone had to like it. I'm just pointing out the
theoretical basis behind it, as I see it.
--
Yrs.,
Daniel Harms
http://www.necfiles.com/
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Before you buy.
Robin
Exactly. Magic is like prayer - prayer in any religion helps the
believer to overcome his problems etc., even though the various
religions practically cancel each other. Magic works the same way; self-
empowerment can come from anything, whether you use the symbol of
Azathoth or an 'existing' demon / angel / boddhisattva.
Incidentally, has anyone ever read Peter Carroll's books on chaos
magic? This person has an interesting approach to magic - and the
Psychonomicon (I think the book is called that) contains an invocation
of Azathoth, although the author expressly states the fictional
character of that creature. He even uses the colour of magic Octarine
from Pratchett's books, also stating the source.
Robin
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Ian Corrigan
Erich Zann <Nyarla...@mail.com> wrote in message
news:814h53$gi0$1...@bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au...
> Could someone please tell me exactly why it is that there is a
> sub-branch of magic (I'll spell it any way I bloody-well like, thank you
> very much. Just by adding a 'k' on the end does not make it post-modern or
> powerful. It only means that it is spelt differently) devoted to the
dieties
> of the Lovecraft cycles.
Maybe.... As a practicing magician/Pagan/occultist, I certainly have felt
the draw of the Mythos. I think it's because it successfully imitates actual
occult traditions, while adding the imagination and creativity of a nicely
twisted mind (HPL's , that is). The Necronomicon manifests the (previously
fairly latent) archetype of the Magician's Book perfectly. (Read a book
called 'Forbidden Rites' for a scholastic understanding of the place of the
near-sentient, magical-in-itself, book of spells in European folklore).
Lovecraft's hinted horors make it much juicier than any actual grimoire, or
than any of its attempted pastiches. The spiritual powers shown in the tales
(I scoff at those who think HPL's move toward 'science' fiction was an
improvement :) have really cool, evocative names that sound ancient and
powerful, and they are indistinct enough to respond to imagination, unlike
Greek gods, say.
Some people who take up occult systems based on fictions (whether it's
Lovecraft or Tolkein or Lackey or Bradley) do so naively, because they can't
tell a convincing fiction from dry scholarship. Others take a philosophical
approach that denies any significant difference between those two. They say
(Chaos magicians are an example) that if a set of ideas produces emotional
and psychological juice for a magician, then it should be used as a source
of power for magic. So they consciously pursue fictional models. Gothic ones
like HPL - or Anne Rice, of course...
> Regards,
> E.Z
Ian
DONALD G. DAVIS
>As a practicing magician/Pagan/occultist, I certainly have felt
>the draw of the Mythos. I think it's because it successfully imitates actual
>occult traditions, while adding the imagination and creativity of a nicely
>twisted mind (HPL's , that is). The Necronomicon manifests the (previously
>fairly latent) archetype of the Magician's Book perfectly. (Read a book
>called 'Forbidden Rites' for a scholastic understanding of the place of the
>near-sentient, magical-in-itself, book of spells in European folklore).
>Lovecraft's hinted horors make it much juicier than any actual grimoire, or
>than any of its attempted pastiches. The spiritual powers shown in the tales
>(I scoff at those who think HPL's move toward 'science' fiction was an
>improvement :) have really cool, evocative names that sound ancient and
>powerful, and they are indistinct enough to respond to imagination, unlike
>Greek gods, say.
>Some people who take up occult systems based on fictions (whether it's
>Lovecraft or Tolkein or Lackey or Bradley) do so naively, because they can't
>tell a convincing fiction from dry scholarship. Others take a philosophical
>approach that denies any significant difference between those two. They say
>(Chaos magicians are an example) that if a set of ideas produces emotional
>and psychological juice for a magician, then it should be used as a source
>of power for magic. So they consciously pursue fictional models. Gothic ones
>like HPL - or Anne Rice, of course...
Fascinating, and very lucidly expressed. It never occurred to me
that people might seriously take up occult systems that they *know* are
based on fiction. Whether or not the basis is thought to be fact or
fiction, how can they maintain such beliefs when the "magic" must
inevitably fail to work in the real world?
Doesn't Lovecraft's shift from magical to scientific background
simply reflect more mature logic? On reflection, it simply doesn't make
sense that entities with cosmic powers should be affected by spells
recited by human beings, as in _The Case of Charles Dexter Ward_. Spoken
language, after all, is simply arbitrary patterns of vibration in air,
which have no meaning even to other humans who lack the same coding, let
alone to greater powers above the human level. Why should such ritual
recitations be any more powerful than any other random speech?
--Donald Davis
Richard D Magrath
DAVIS) writes:
>Why should such ritual
>recitations be any more powerful than any other random speech?
I thought it was supposed to be a psychological thing - you know, say a magic
spell and burn some 'special herbs' and you'll cure your illness (for example).
The effect of unknown powers or merely the effects of switching your thinking
from "I will get better" to "I feel so awful... I'm going to die"? I vote for
the latter, but it still doesn't make the effects of the magic less potent. It
has been scientifically proved that people who pray (or, in the case of
atheists/agnostics, those who practice yoga or similiar meditative excercises)
have better health than those who don't.
Of course, I still mock those* who believe their magic can drastically alter
the course of reality (or predict the future, conjure up ghosts, etc) and some
of the people who reviewed Simon's 'Necronomicon' on Amazon.com were really out
of their minds :)
And yes, that includes Feng Shui practitioners, crystal therapists and anyone
else who is on the first page of the 'Lifestyle' section of the Sunday Times
'Style' supplement.
*You can't prove it, you know.
Richard D. Magrath
LtRi...@aol.com
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dgd...@nyx10.nyx.net (DONALD G. DAVIS) wrote:
>Fascinating, and very lucidly expressed. It never occurred to
>me that people might seriously take up occult systems that they *know*
>are based on fiction. Whether or not the basis is thought to be fact
>or fiction, how can they maintain such beliefs when the "magic" must
>inevitably fail to work in the real world?
They don't inevitably fail to work. Take healing magic. When someone
goes to a magician to get well, they usually do. When someone goes
to the doctor, they usually get well. Is this due to the power of
the healer, or because most of the time we get over illnesses?
I recommend Tanya Luhrmann's _Persuasions of the Witch's Craft_ for
an explanation of how magic works. Or maybe an actual practitioner
can cut my posturing short.
> Doesn't Lovecraft's shift from magical to scientific background
> simply reflect more mature logic?
I wouldn't touch that assertion with a ten-foot pole - that's dangerous
ideological territory you're getting into. I would say it this way -
Lovecraft found that the science fiction background worked more in
line with what he was trying to accomplish than magic did.
--
Yrs.,
Daniel Harms
http://www.necfiles.com/
Pyrephox
>From: dgd...@nyx10.nyx.net (DONALD G. DAVIS)
> Fascinating, and very lucidly expressed. It never occurred to me
>that people might seriously take up occult systems that they *know* are
>based on fiction. Whether or not the basis is thought to be fact or
>fiction, how can they maintain such beliefs when the "magic" must
>inevitably fail to work in the real world?
How can millions of people maintain belief in a remote and "unknowable" god
when their "prayers" must inevitably fail to work in the real world?
Faith is faith is faith. Whether one places their belief in the Christian God,
a Pagan Goddess, tarot cards, or even the Great and Mighty Cthulhu... proof
isn't needed for belief.
And just maybe, that faith and belief is strong enough to change the world in
little ways. Whether you call the outcome "magic" or "prayer" or whatever, it
becomes real to *you*. And when all is said or done, isn't that pretty much all
that counts?
As to your other, well, either you suspend disbelief or you don't.
Pyrephox
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Georg Datterl
>
> >From: dgd...@nyx10.nyx.net (DONALD G. DAVIS)
> > Fascinating, and very lucidly expressed. It never occurred to me
> >that people might seriously take up occult systems that they *know* are
> >based on fiction. Whether or not the basis is thought to be fact or
> >fiction, how can they maintain such beliefs when the "magic" must
> >inevitably fail to work in the real world?
> How can millions of people maintain belief in a remote and "unknowable" god
> when their "prayers" must inevitably fail to work in the real world?
> Faith is faith is faith. Whether one places their belief in the Christian God,
> a Pagan Goddess, tarot cards, or even the Great and Mighty Cthulhu... proof
> isn't needed for belief.
> And just maybe, that faith and belief is strong enough to change the world in
> little ways. Whether you call the outcome "magic" or "prayer" or whatever, it
> becomes real to *you*. And when all is said or done, isn't that pretty much all
> that counts?
If I conjure a demon, because I believe in him, does the demon have to
believe as well to make him real?
Or, using Mr. Harms' healing magic example, if one person casts a
healing (in whatever usfull way), but the second person does not know
it, is the magic effective? CAN it be effectiv?
--
mfg, Georg
James Goodzeit
Pyrephox <pyrep...@aol.com> wrote
> How can millions of people maintain belief in a remote and "unknowable"
god
> when their "prayers" must inevitably fail to work in the real world?
Your assertion is as condescending as it is silly.
> Faith is faith is faith. Whether one places their belief in the Christian
God,
> a Pagan Goddess, tarot cards, or even the Great and Mighty Cthulhu...
proof
> isn't needed for belief.
Or that the universe acts in accordance with some consistent set of laws.
> And just maybe, that faith and belief is strong enough to change the world
in
> little ways. Whether you call the outcome "magic" or "prayer" or whatever,
it
> becomes real to *you*. And when all is said or done, isn't that pretty
much all
> that counts?
>
Robin
me
> that people might seriously take up occult systems that they *know*
are
> based on fiction. Whether or not the basis is thought to be fact or
> inevitably fail to work in the real world?
Why should it? Think of it this way: those religiously inclined in our
society pray to God, or Allah, or any number of Hindu gods, you name
it. All of them, if true believers, will say that their prayers work,
but they can't all be right in their beliefs, can they? Whatever power
source they tap into, it doesn't seem to care just what brand name you
stick on it. The same goes for magic. It's all symbols.
I bet I could create a stupid belief system right now, and if
propagated well enough it would eventually lead to someone's
enlightenment. Can't help it. The human mind wants to wake up.
Robin
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Robin
"James Goodzeit" <good...@msn.com> wrote:
>
> Pyrephox <pyrep...@aol.com> wrote
> > How can millions of people maintain belief in a remote and
"unknowable"
> god
> > when their "prayers" must inevitably fail to work in the real world?
>
> Your assertion is as condescending as it is silly.
I think s/he was just mirroring the syntax of the previous poster to
show that as faith regardless of brand name obviously works in subtle
ways, magic may also. I don't think s/he meant to be condescending.
Robin
to me
> > >that people might seriously take up occult systems that they
*know* are
> > >based on fiction. Whether or not the basis is thought to be fact
or
> > >inevitably fail to work in the real world?
> > How can millions of people maintain belief in a remote and
"unknowable" god
> > when their "prayers" must inevitably fail to work in the real world?
Christian God,
> > a Pagan Goddess, tarot cards, or even the Great and Mighty
Cthulhu... proof
> > isn't needed for belief.
the world in
> > little ways. Whether you call the outcome "magic" or "prayer" or
whatever, it
> > becomes real to *you*. And when all is said or done, isn't that
pretty much all
> > that counts?
>
> believe as well to make him real?
As no modern magician I know speaks of conjuring a demon as if that
demon would physically appear, I think this falls under the category of
too flashy to work. Demons are invoked or evoked; in the first
instance, their abilities or traits manifest in the caster, in the
second their attributes are meant to influence some outside element of
reality. I might for instance visualize a demon to pat your back while
you read this. Can you feel it?
> Or, using Mr. Harms' healing magic example, if one person casts a
> healing (in whatever usfull way), but the second person does not know
> it, is the magic effective? CAN it be effectiv?
We're entering Jungian territory here: the collective unconscious.
People pray for other people all the time, without them knowing it. Can
it have some effect? If you believe that we all tap into a great big
pool of the collective unconscious, some of the concern (or hatred)
poured into it by the caster may actually communicate itself to the
target. Voodoo seems to work that way, but often it helps to let the
target know (by putting some symbol of a curse of healing spell where
he has to find it).
Miss Felicity
> I bet I could create a stupid belief system right now, and if
> propagated well enough it would eventually lead to someone's
> enlightenment. Can't help it. The human mind wants to wake up.
Some might argue it's already been done:
Miss Felicity (it's like Drano for your brain!)
Miss Felicity
<snip>
> Some people who take up occult systems based on fictions (whether it's
> Lovecraft or Tolkein or Lackey or Bradley) do so naively, because they
> can't tell a convincing fiction from dry scholarship. Others take a
> philosophical approach that denies any significant difference between
> those two. They say (Chaos magicians are an example) that if a set of
> ideas produces emotional and psychological juice for a magician, then
> it should be used as a source of power for magic. So they consciously
> pursue fictional models. Gothic ones like HPL - or Anne Rice, of
> course...
I have been interested in Chaos magic for about a year now, and I think
Lovecraft's deities appeal to this particular subculture of magic for
two main reasons. First, because they are fictional, the Lovecraftian
pantheon doesn't have the cultural baggage of a current or ancient
religion attached to it, so the symbolism and corrsepondences are much
more open than they would be with, say, the Christian archangels or
saints or the Celtic gods and goddesses. Second, Lovecraft's gods are
fundamentally amoral, so there is a definite advantage in using this
pantheon for someone who believes that magic and ethics don't
necessarily have to have anything to do with each other. And then, of
course, you've got the little wannabe satanists who think it'd be "rilly
kewl" to invoke an Elder God and have it stomp around the
neighbourhood...
Miss Felicity (which it would be, but I'd want it to go stomp on someone
else's neighbourhood)
Robin
Yes, that's certainly a good example. I wouldn't even be too surprised
if in the end the concept of religion itself was actually based on
someone's conscious decision to make someone else's money his.
Robin
...but not after it had sat (and you may want to insert an 'h' here) on
that wannbes' collective heads...
Magog
wrote:
>Ian Corrigan wrote:
>
><snip>
>
>> Some people who take up occult systems based on fictions (whether it's
>
>I have been interested in Chaos magic for about a year now, and I think
>Lovecraft's deities appeal to this particular subculture of magic for
>two main reasons.
A question: When you say this, I assume your interest is scholarly?
That is, you don't actually believe in magic or the
supernatural---yes? (as opposed to the paranormal and preternatural,
which I believe the weight of accumulated anectodal evidence over
time has just been too much to dismiss)
But, you know, it would be fun to conjure up a piece of
Shub-niggurath somehow ("rilly kewl" and "totally nuclear" also)...
"The Old Ones were, the Old Ones are, and the Old Ones shall be,
not in the spaces we know,
but between them,
they walk serene and primal,
undimensioned and to us unseen..."
Michael Tice
glha...@steel.ucs.indiana.edu (Gregory L. Hansen) wrote:
> and _Classical Electrodynamics_ by the maniacal
> Jackson, most feared by graduate students.
NOOO!!! It can't be! A VON NEUMANN function!
AAAAAAGH!
--Mike
Georg Datterl
> Robin wrote:
> > I bet I could create a stupid belief system right now, and if
> > propagated well enough it would eventually lead to someone's
> > enlightenment. Can't help it. The human mind wants to wake up.
> Some might argue it's already been done:
> http://www.subgenius.com
I would have thought of Scientology. At least it enlightened many of
those who don't believe in it, I guess.
--
mfg, Georg
Gregory L. Hansen
A young man went to visit the wizard Widdershins. To call him a man was
perhaps a compliment, for he was still a teenager. He wasn't doing well
in his classes, he was picked on in school, and was at that period when
young people feel restless and unhappy with their lot in life. He found
the wizard Widdershins' house in an old but picturesque part of town and
knocked on the door. He was greeted by a middle-aged man with a short and
tidy beard, and asked him "Are you the wizard Widdershins?"
"I am", said the wizard.
"They say you have visions beyond mortal ken. They say you can use the
non-Euclidean geometries to explore higher dimensions, to travel
throughout the universe, and to travel in time. They say you
wreak terrible vengence on your enemies and give lavish gifts to your
friends. They say you win lotteries at will. They say your mojo is the
best."
"And who says all that?", asked the wizard.
"The guys at school... you know..."
"What they say is true." said the wizard. "And I gamble at casinos, and
would have been kicked out long ago except that I can cloud the minds of
the casinos' guardians. When I travel, the stoplights are always green
and I never need to stop for gas. And can you believe I'm more than a
hundred years old, and yet as fit as a man a quarter of my age! My, um,
'mojo' is the best. Now why did you come here?"
"I want you to teach me your magic. I want people to respect me. I want
the power to control my life. But... but I'll use it responsibly, of
course."
"Yes," said the wizard, "I believe you will. Hmm...", and he thoughtfully
scratched his chin. Then said "Very well, I will teach you if you are
ready to learn. But it will be a long and difficult journey. You will
work like you've never worked before. You will find that the lessons will
demand great sacrifice of time and discipline."
"I'll do anything!" said the young man.
"My 'magic', as you call it, is an alien science that humanity is only
beginning to guess at. But within human science is the foundations, like
an infant that will one day begin to crawl, and later to walk. You must
learn the science of man, and then we will build upon that from my own
studies. Are you ready?"
"Yes, I'm ready."
"Very well" said the wizard Widdershins. "You may begin your lessons at
once. Come in and let me collect some materials for you."
And the wizard collected ominous tomes like _Calculus and Analytic
Geometry_ by Mizrahi and Sulliven, _Multivariable Calculus, Linear
Algebra, & Differential Equations_ by Grossman, _Mathematical Methods
for Physicists_ by the revered Arfken, and _Differential Forms with
Applications to the Physical Sciences_ by that great visionary, Flanders.
He gathered _Introductory Physics_ by Halliday and Resnick, _Classical
Mechanics_ by Goldstein, and _Classical Electrodynamics_ by the maniacal
Jackson, most feared by graduate students. And the young man shuddered
when the wizard produced that enormous tome of unspeakable evil, that
hideous collection of non-Euclidean lore, _Gravitation_, by Misner,
Thorne, and Wheeler. But then it only got worse as _Principles of Quantum
Mechanics_ by the exotic and swarthy Shankar, _Quantum Field Theory of
Point Particles and Strings_ by Hatfield, and finally _Lorentzian
Wormholes_ by the mad geometer Visser appeared.
The yong man looked over the pile of books, stacked to a considerable
height, in dismay. "I didn't realize there was so much... math."
"Well of course there is, boy! Mathematics is the foundation of anything
worth knowing! It's the language of science, and it is your studies of
differential geometry in particular that will produce
the powers you seek. But since you ask, I should inquire what your
mathematical background is."
"Uh, I took 'Algebra I' in high school..."
"Oh, dear. Oh, dear. You'll need to work up to this lot. Stay here
while I fetch some precalculus primers."
And when the wizard went upstairs to seek out additional math books, the
young man quietly slipped away and never returned.
--
"That's not an avocado, that's a grenade!" -- The Skipper
Carl Speros
nearly as often kills or incapacitates the castor as the enemy. In
the RPG I once found a means of summoning a nightgaunt. At the
time I was a novice atthe game, & didn`t know that if you summon
such a monster. you`d beter have a means of binding him to your will or
''as i found out horrible things can happen. the night gaunt then
dropped me off somewhere in the Gobi desert where my poor
psychologist from Miscatonic U died of thirst. Here today,gone or
insane tomorrow.
Carl Speros
Magog
funny.
Friday Jones
>> Robin wrote:
>> > I bet I could create a stupid belief system right now, and if
>> > propagated well enough it would eventually lead to someone's
>> > enlightenment. Can't help it. The human mind wants to wake up.
>> Some might argue it's already been done:
>> http://www.subgenius.com
I myself have found enlightenment in the ways of "Bob" - however, I think
it's more the case of being able to find enlightenment using any method.
It doesn't matter what tool you use to pound the nail in; all that matters
is that the nail gets pounded.
Or, in a misquote of "Dogma", "It doesn't matter what you have faith in -
what matters is faith."
--
"I believe the children are our future: nasty, brutish and short."
-- The Onion
D.E. Kesler
Fire walk with me.
Regards and Best Wishes,
Donald Eric Kesler
Friday Jones wrote:
>
> I myself have found enlightenment in the ways of "Bob"
(snip)
> -- The Onion
nu-monet
>
> >Miss Felicity schrieb:
> >> Robin wrote:
> >> > I bet I could create a stupid belief system right now, and if
> >> > propagated well enough it would eventually lead to someone's
> >> > enlightenment. Can't help it. The human mind wants to wake up.
>
> >> Some might argue it's already been done:
> >> http://www.subgenius.com
>
> I myself have found enlightenment in the ways of "Bob" - however, I think
> it's more the case of being able to find enlightenment using any method.
> It doesn't matter what tool you use to pound the nail in; all that matters
> is that the nail gets pounded.
> Or, in a misquote of "Dogma", "It doesn't matter what you have faith in -
> what matters is faith."
>
And, if enlightenment involves hot alien sex, so much the better.
Friday Jones
Working your faith muscle is just like working any other muscle in your
body - it doesn't matter WHAT you pick up, it matters only that you pick it
up. If you're lifting a 10-pound barbell, or a 10-pound can of pumpkin pie
filling, or a 10-pound cat, you will get the same workout.
StoOdin101
>filling, or a 10-pound cat, you will get the same workout.
Except, of course, that the cat will scratch you all up real bad.
"What makes possible the writing of good music, beyond that talent for handling
sound that is required for being a musician at all, is emotional sincerity and
intellectual honesty." ---- Virgil Thomson; "The Art of Judging Music"
nu-monet
>
> In article <383EBE...@succeeds.com>, like....@sex.org wrote:
>
> >Friday Jones wrote:
> >>
> >> >Miss Felicity schrieb:
> >> >> Robin wrote:
> >> >> > I bet I could create a stupid belief system right now, and if
> >> >> > propagated well enough it would eventually lead to someone's
> >> >> > enlightenment. Can't help it. The human mind wants to wake up.
> >>
> >> >> Some might argue it's already been done:
> >> >> http://www.subgenius.com
> >>
> >> I myself have found enlightenment in the ways of "Bob" - however, I think
> >> it's more the case of being able to find enlightenment using any method.
> >> It doesn't matter what tool you use to pound the nail in; all that matters
> >> is that the nail gets pounded.
> >> Or, in a misquote of "Dogma", "It doesn't matter what you have faith in -
> >> what matters is faith."
> >>
> >
> >And, if enlightenment involves hot alien sex, so much the better.
>
> Working your faith muscle is just like working any other muscle in your
> body - it doesn't matter WHAT you pick up, it matters only that you pick it
> filling, or a 10-pound cat, you will get the same workout.
>
Is it better to pick up your 10-pound muscle once, or your 1-pound muscle
a bunch o' times? I don't think I could imagine someone with a 10-pound
muscle, and while picking up a barbell or a can of pumpkin pie filling
would hurt like hell, picking up a cat could positively injure you if
the cat objected.
Friday Jones
stood...@aol.com (StoOdin101) wrote:
>>If you're lifting a 10-pound barbell, or a 10-pound can of pumpkin pie
>>filling, or a 10-pound cat, you will get the same workout.
>
>Except, of course, that the cat will scratch you all up real bad.
Depends on the cat. Of course chasing some cats could exercise your leg
muscles; nonetheless I've met some cats who would limpidly lie there and
let themselves be used as a barbell so long as you didn't shake them too
much.
Georg Datterl
> >If you're lifting a 10-pound barbell, or a 10-pound can of pumpkin pie
> >filling, or a 10-pound cat, you will get the same workout.
> Except, of course, that the cat will scratch you all up real bad.
Maybe, if the cat is still alive.
--
mfg, Georg
Georg Datterl
>
> >Miss Felicity schrieb:
> >> Robin wrote:
> >> > I bet I could create a stupid belief system right now, and if
> >> > propagated well enough it would eventually lead to someone's
> >> > enlightenment. Can't help it. The human mind wants to wake up.
> >> Some might argue it's already been done:
> >> http://www.subgenius.com
> I myself have found enlightenment in the ways of "Bob" -
My brother once told me of a "Bob", who lives under the fridge and
eats left socks. Coincidence? I think so.
> however, I think
> it's more the case of being able to find enlightenment using any method.
> It doesn't matter what tool you use to pound the nail in; all that matters
> is that the nail gets pounded.
> Or, in a misquote of "Dogma", "It doesn't matter what you have faith in -
> what matters is faith."
Why does it seem like most "magick-doer" don't know this? Typical
quote: "Need rare book to conjure my favourite demon". And why has
this thread spawned to alt.friday (whatever that is)?
--
mfg, Georg
James Goodzeit
> >If you're lifting a 10-pound barbell, or a 10-pound can of pumpkin
pie
> >filling, or a 10-pound cat, you will get the same workout.
>
> Except, of course, that the cat will scratch you all up real bad.
>
That's why I declaw them (and, just to be safe, untooth them as well)
before a workout.
They're also quite good for soccer practice.
Richard D Magrath
fri...@fridayjones.com (Friday Jones) writes:
>Depends on the cat. Of course chasing some cats could exercise your leg
>muscles; nonetheless I've met some cats who would limpidly lie there and
>let themselves be used as a barbell so long as you didn't shake them too
>much.
What happens if you do?
Richard D. Magrath
LtRi...@aol.com
Richard D Magrath
>I myself have found enlightenment in the ways of "Bob" - however, I think
>it's more the case of being able to find enlightenment using any method.
>It doesn't matter what tool you use to pound the nail in; all that matters
>is that the nail gets pounded.
>Or, in a misquote of "Dogma", "It doesn't matter what you have faith in -
>what matters is faith."
Sorry to drag this thread back on course (Philosophy! Metaphysics! Truly the
sciences of the damned), but....
I am reminded of an Ambrose Bierce quote:
(from 'The Devil's Dictionary')
ELYSIUM, n. An imaginary delightful country which the ancients foolishly
believed to be inhabited by the spirits of the good. This ridiculous and
mischievous fable was swept off the face of the earth by the early Christians -
may their souls be happy in heaven!
Was Bierce mocking religion in general, or was he merely criticising its
hypocrisys? (A rhectorical question, BTW)
There is something I have a problem with, though - how does religion compare
to science? I think believing in the validity of accepted scientific facts is
comparable to believing in the existance of God, but science has actual
physical proof (in most cases, anyway), whereas most major religions are based
on the most flimsy of evidence (stories passed down for millenia, mostly by
word of mouth, translated hundreds of times...).
So if, for example, one state in America decides to deny the existance of
Darwin's theory of evolution and teach the Garden of Eden as have actually
happened, are they reinforcing their faith or are they being incredibly dense
and backward-thinking? Using your argument, it would be the former, but most of
us would consider it the latter.
And what of the idea that the Bible was written merely as an allegory to teach
concepts such as sharing (the feeding of the five thousand) to the uneducated
masses? And if so, what of the firm belief that everything actually happened as
written, but ignoring the teachings? (My primary school, circa age 6-7,
repeatedly taught us the story of the feeding of the five thousand, but never
once mentioned the story's message of sharing)
Would Jesus, if he saw what was happening in the 20th century, be proud of the
way we had accepted that God existed and miracles actually happened, despite
the intrusion of science, or would he be saddened by our disregard for basic
politness, ability to share, embracing of violence (often using his teachings
as an excuse), using of other human beings for our own personal gain, etc?
You've opened a can of worms here, and I'd like to have some of my questions
answered (I've noticed that some regular posters have been avoiding this
thread. I would probably do so as well, due to my lack of arguing skills and
unconscious ability to insult people, but this is the only place where I can
expect a proper intelligent argument, and I do honestly want to know your views
on this, so....)
Richard D. Magrath
LtRi...@aol.com
Richard D Magrath
<good...@email.msn.com> writes:
>They're also quite good for soccer practice.
I think he means 'football practice'.
Richard D. Magrath
LtRi...@aol.com
nu-monet
>
> Friday Jones schrieb:
> >
> > >Miss Felicity schrieb:
> > >> Robin wrote:
> > >> > I bet I could create a stupid belief system right now, and if
> > >> > propagated well enough it would eventually lead to someone's
> > >> > enlightenment. Can't help it. The human mind wants to wake up.
> > >> Some might argue it's already been done:
> > >> http://www.subgenius.com
>
> eats left socks. Coincidence? I think so.
>
> > it's more the case of being able to find enlightenment using any method.
> > It doesn't matter what tool you use to pound the nail in; all that matters
> > is that the nail gets pounded.
> > Or, in a misquote of "Dogma", "It doesn't matter what you have faith in -
> > what matters is faith."
>
> quote: "Need rare book to conjure my favourite demon". And why has
> this thread spawned to alt.friday (whatever that is)?
>
Friday Jones is my favorite demon.
Friday Jones
>Friday Jones schrieb:
>> however, I think
>> it's more the case of being able to find enlightenment using any method.
>> It doesn't matter what tool you use to pound the nail in; all that matters
>> is that the nail gets pounded.
>> Or, in a misquote of "Dogma", "It doesn't matter what you have faith in -
>> what matters is faith."
>
>Why does it seem like most "magick-doer" don't know this? Typical
>quote: "Need rare book to conjure my favourite demon". And why has
>this thread spawned to alt.friday (whatever that is)?
I'm Friday, this is my newsgroup.
James Goodzeit
> In article <81pumr$s1f$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, James Goodzeit
> <good...@email.msn.com> writes:
>
> >They're also quite good for soccer practice.
>
> I think he means 'football practice'.
I should have mentioned that soccer is called "football" in countries
not virile enough for *real* football.
OK, OK, OK, Just kidding. No need for anyone to get in a tiff about my
post! =)
James Goodzeit
Truly the
> sciences of the damned), but....
>
In deductive logic there is a 'falsum rule', ~ex falso sequitur
quodlibet~ --from an absurdity one can derive anything, consistent or
otherwise. What could be more absurd than the creation/big
bang/whatever? It is on this foundation that I have layed the
foundation of my metaphysics, and which all science, philosophy, and
religeon ultimately derive. He said it that knows it best, that we live
on a placid island of ignorance from which we were not meant to stray
far.
Joseph Michael Bay
>Yeah, well... having been on the receiving end of a rambling and
>incoherent monologue from some grubby kid in a Marilyn Manson t-shirt
>about how he and his friends got stoned and tried to summon Cthulhu with
>the Simonomicon, I sometimes wish the Elder Gods _would_ put in an
>appearance just to scare the little buggers witless. Or at least moreso
>than they already are.
>Miss Felicity
"Let's see who you REALLY are, Nyarlathotep!"
"Why it's Miss Felicity from the haunted amusement park!"
"And I would've gotten away with it if it hadn't been for those stoners."
--
Joseph M. Bay Boy Genius
Putting the "harm" in the "Molecular Pharmacology" since 1997
T U S T U L T U S E S
Miss Felicity
> >Why does it seem like most "magick-doer" don't know this? Typical
> >quote: "Need rare book to conjure my favourite demon".
Which I think is the whole point of Discordianism/SubGenius/Chaos Magick
et. al. Just because something is hoary with age doesn't mean it's
particularly useful, or even interesting for that matter.
> > And why has this thread spawned to alt.friday (whatever that is)?
>
> I'm Friday, this is my newsgroup.
You know you spend way too much time on usenet when...
Miss Felicity
Miss Felicity
>
> >I have been interested in Chaos magic for about a year now, and I
> >think Lovecraft's deities appeal to this particular subculture of
> >magic for two main reasons.
>
> A question: When you say this, I assume your interest is scholarly?
> That is, you don't actually believe in magic or the supernatural --
> yes? (as opposed to the paranormal and preternatural, which I believe
> the weight of accumulated anectodal evidence over time has just been
> too much to dismiss)
You know, whenever someone asks me this on any newsgroup not on the alt.
magick.* hierarchy, I'm always a little leery of responding candidly,
lest a flame war erupt. Short answer, my interest is scholarly to the
extent that I haven't actually _tried_ any magick myself, but I've seen
a small number of people who practice some tradition of magick do some
pretty freaky stuff (and a much larger number of self-preclaimed
magicians do nothing but try to blow smoke up my ass or try to interest
me in "private tantric meditation lessons"). So there you go. My
interest in Chaos magick in particular is spawned by the fact that some
of these people are attempting to discover a scientific foundation for
magick.
> But, you know, it would be fun to conjure up a piece of
> Shub-niggurath somehow ("rilly kewl" and "totally nuclear" also)...
Richard D Magrath
>> yes? (as opposed to the paranormal and preternatural, which I believe
>> the weight of accumulated anectodal evidence over time has just been
>> too much to dismiss)
What is preternatural? The Collins English Dictionary describes it as "beyond
the laws of nature, supernatural". Which is not helpful. Anyone?
>...but I've seen
>a small number of people who practice some tradition of magick do some
>pretty freaky stuff (and a much larger number of self-preclaimed
>magicians do nothing but try to blow smoke up my ass
!
A metaphor, I hope?
Richard D. Magrath
LtRi...@aol.com
Richard D Magrath
<good...@email.msn.com> writes:
>> >They're also quite good for soccer practice.
>>
>> I think he means 'football practice'.
>
>I should have mentioned that soccer is called "football" in countries
>not virile enough for *real* football.
>
>
>OK, OK, OK, Just kidding. No need for anyone to get in a tiff about my
>post! =)
James Goodzeit - an all-American kinda guy. He has his suits made out of US
flags, keeps an American bald eagle in his shed, eats only pot roasts and
twinkies, drives an overly-large V8 'sedan', has a home-run Joe DiMaggio-signed
baseball on his mantelpiece and talks extensively about his time in 'Nam.
I for one am voting Goodzeit for president.*
*I'd rather have him rule your country than mine!
Richard D. Magrath
LtRi...@aol.com
Stuart Barrow
On 30 Nov 1999, Richard D Magrath wrote:
> >I should have mentioned that soccer is called "football" in countries
> >not virile enough for *real* football.
> James Goodzeit - an all-American kinda guy. He has his suits made out of US
> flags, keeps an American bald eagle in his shed, eats only pot roasts and
> twinkies, drives an overly-large V8 'sedan', has a home-run Joe DiMaggio-signed
> baseball on his mantelpiece and talks extensively about his time in 'Nam.
Wait - he's American? But his comment makes no sense at all unless he's
Australian!
Stu, Aussie expat.
Miss Felicity
> >...but I've seen a small number of people who practice some tradition
> >of magick do some pretty freaky stuff (and a much larger number of
> >self-preclaimed magicians do nothing but try to blow smoke up my ass
>
> !
>
> A metaphor, I hope?
Yeeeesss... unfortunately, the bit about "private tantra lessons"
wasn't.
Miss Felicity (Why is it always the refugees from the Disco age who try
that sort of sh*t?)
Miss Felicity
> James Goodzeit - an all-American kinda guy. He has his suits made out
> of US flags, keeps an American bald eagle in his shed, eats only pot
> roasts and twinkies, drives an overly-large V8 'sedan', has a home-run
> Joe DiMaggio-signed baseball on his mantelpiece and talks extensively
> about his time in 'Nam.
>
> I for one am voting Goodzeit for president.*
>
> *I'd rather have him rule your country than mine!
Shades of Denis Leary...
Miss Felicity
James Goodzeit
>
> *I'd rather have him rule your country than mine!
That does it. As soon as I'm elected, I'm invading England. Then I'm
appointing Rush Limbaugh Prime Minister and Charleton Heston Deputy
Prime Minister.
James Goodzeit
> <good...@email.msn.com> writes:
>
> >> >They're also quite good for soccer practice.
> >>
> >> I think he means 'football practice'.
> >
> >not virile enough for *real* football.
> >
>
of US
> flags, keeps an American bald eagle in his shed, eats only pot roasts
and
Whoa! I seem to have hit a sensitive nerve there, eh?
> twinkies, drives an overly-large V8 'sedan', has a home-run Joe
DiMaggio-signed
> baseball on his mantelpiece
No, No, No, you silly English k'niggit. I have a touch down pass Brett
Favre signed *football* on my mantlepiece.
Robin Low
>> >I should have mentioned that soccer is called "football" in countries
>> >not virile enough for *real* football.
And in many of those countries that call soccer football (a slightly
more accurate description of play, incidentally), there's a game called
rugby played by people who are tough enough not to need a lot of silly
armour.
Regards
Robin
--
Robin Low
Benoīt Smith
>appointing Rush Limbaugh Prime Minister and Charleton Heston Deputy
>Prime Minister.
Charlton Heston ? The NRA Honorary Chairman ? I hope you're kidding ! (I
know, I'm not English, but that hurts me, after all.)
Benoît Smith
IN MADNESS WE TRUST
Richard D Magrath
<good...@email.msn.com> writes:
>> James Goodzeit - an all-American kinda guy. He has his suits made out
>of US
>> flags, keeps an American bald eagle in his shed, eats only pot roasts
>and
>
>Whoa! I seem to have hit a sensitive nerve there, eh?
I was just joking. Just like me and the guys used to joke back in Korea. I
remember 'Serial' Ian Miller from the 101 Black Aces squadron. Funny guy, a
great pilot. One day he pushed his luck too far. Tried to do a mach 1
loop-the-loop. We all cried when we had to scrape his brains off the runway.
It's guys like me who made this country great, boy. Don't you forget that.
Richard D. Magrath
LtRi...@aol.com
Richard D Magrath
<good...@email.msn.com> writes:
>That does it. As soon as I'm elected, I'm invading England. Then I'm
>appointing Rush Limbaugh Prime Minister and Charleton Heston Deputy
>Prime Minister.
Semi-competent people in government? I think we both know that violates
international laws.
Richard D. Magrath
LtRi...@aol.com
Richard D Magrath
writes:
>Miss Felicity (Why is it always the refugees from the Disco age who try
>that sort of sh*t?)
Because it is a life choice that doesn't require a hair cut.
Richard D. Magrath
LtRi...@aol.com
Nunya D. Bidness
On 30 Nov 1999 20:54:04 GMT, ltri...@aol.com (Richard D Magrath) wrote:
>In article <81u2du$hlr$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, James Goodzeit
><good...@email.msn.com> writes:
>
>>> >They're also quite good for soccer practice.
>>>
>>> I think he means 'football practice'.
>>
>>I should have mentioned that soccer is called "football" in countries
>>not virile enough for *real* football.
>>
>>
>>OK, OK, OK, Just kidding. No need for anyone to get in a tiff about my
>>post! =)
>
>James Goodzeit - an all-American kinda guy. He has his suits made out of US
>flags, keeps an American bald eagle in his shed, eats only pot roasts and
>twinkies, drives an overly-large V8 'sedan', has a home-run Joe DiMaggio-signed
>baseball on his mantelpiece and talks extensively about his time in 'Nam.
>
>I for one am voting Goodzeit for president.*
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>*I'd rather have him rule your country than mine!
>
>Richard D. Magrath
>LtRi...@aol.com
If marriage as outlawed, then only outlaws would have inlaws.
James Goodzeit
violates
> international laws.
If this be true, the United States is in some deep doo-doo.
James Goodzeit
Korea. I
> remember 'Serial' Ian Miller from the 101 Black Aces squadron. Funny
guy, a
> great pilot. One day he pushed his luck too far. Tried to do a mach 1
> loop-the-loop. We all cried when we had to scrape his brains off the
runway.
> It's guys like me who made this country great, boy. Don't you forget
that.
Too late. The spores have been released; the plasmodia will grow and
multiply, consuming every bit of organic matter; within 8 weeks England
will be a rocky desolation.
If I were French, I'd be concerned that the tunnel beneath the English
Channel be dynamited before it's too late.
James Goodzeit
> Charlton Heston ? The NRA Honorary Chairman ? I hope you're kidding !
(I
> know, I'm not English, but that hurts me, after all.)
Yes! I was just mock waving a tenticle at my imaginary presecutors.
In reality I have nothing against Charlton Heston or the NRA--I am all
for the freedom of responsible, law-abiding citizens to possess fire
arms.
Magog
>>
>> A question: When you say this, I assume your interest is scholarly?
>> That is, you don't actually believe in magic or the supernatural --
>> yes? (as opposed to the paranormal and preternatural, which I believe
>> the weight of accumulated anectodal evidence over time has just been
>> too much to dismiss)
>
>You know, whenever someone asks me this on any newsgroup not on the alt.
>magick.* hierarchy, I'm always a little leery of responding candidly,
>lest a flame war erupt.
Oh, no, please----at least in my case, you need not be leery. I'm an
atheist myself, but not the irritating militant kind who thinks that
atheism is a religion and belief system itself, and wants to propagate
it, rather than seeing atheism as just the simple "no, that's not so
unless you prove it to me" that it is.
I'm glad you answered, and intelligently at that. I'm obviously biased
in favor of your response; but if you had said "absolutely, I've seen
supernatural phenomena occur", that would have been fine. Life's too
short to take things like this personally.
:: Short answer, my interest is scholarly to the
>extent that I haven't actually _tried_ any magick myself, but I've seen
>a small number of people who practice some tradition of magick do some
>pretty freaky stuff (and a much larger number of self-preclaimed
>magicians do nothing but try to blow smoke up my ass or try to interest
>me in "private tantric meditation lessons"). So there you go. My
>interest in Chaos magick in particular is spawned by the fact that some
>of these people are attempting to discover a scientific foundation for
>magick.
>
By Odin's beard and the 8 hooves of Sliepnir, I like this answer! (I
have to say that I just LOVE Norse mythology. Always liked the fact
that all the gods and everyone else KNOW that they're doomed, and
decide to carouse and have a good time anyway; that, and the fact that
the creation myth as it was known by the priestly types is actually
unusually sophisticated for a polytheistic religion-----Ginungagap,
order from chaos by direct will, creation ex nihilo; in fact far more
sophisticated than certain parts of the Bible (the Garden, as opposed
to "In the beginning...." because in the Garden there are images that
separate God's will from His power....but I'm rambling).
mmmmm...I must admit I am ignorant of what "Chaos magick"
means.....why the modifier "Chaos", as opposed to just "magic" or
"magick"? What is different?
But back to the "freaky stuff". It seems to me you are saying these
people DO things, and much of it is weird and frightening----but have
you ever seen an effect of these things that they do (rather than the
actions themselves), anything that truly gives you pause, that
suggests a genuine supernatural occurrence? I ask NOT to scoff, truly,
but in the spirit of pure curiosity. As a second best, absent the
supernatural, have you ever actually seen paranormal phenomena? I
credit the existence of these, as I have said, but have never
experienced, seen, or sensed the paranormal/preternatural....I suppose
what I am saying is that the world seems a very dull material place to
me, and inside I would like a bit of sense of wonder restored.
I should qualify the above somewhat with something even more
off-topic: there are some explicable, wholly scientific matters in
the world that do instill a sense of awe, joy, and wonder in me---the
incredible, grand sweep of the history of life on earth, particulalry.
That evolutionary theory is a science of historical contingency, that
it is generally understandable only in hindsight, that so much of it
can be chalked up to "s---t happens", makes it all the more amazing to
me....the Ediacaran fauna, that strange, separate, extinct beginning
of multicellularity.....the Cambrian explosion....genomes probably
having been more malleable before the increasing interdependencies of
ontogenic pathways.....mass extinctions changing the course of
everything time and time again....genes having their own little
evolutionary, chemical battle separate from the phenotypes of the
organisms for which they are the blueprints.....the incredible effects
of neoteny and paedomorphosis (humans being a prime example)...the
fact that more modern research suggests strongly that life has a
tendency to simplification, rather than complexification as once was
accepted canon, absent environmental pressures.....
Ok, I'm stopping. Sorry. It just got out. This subject just brings out
some real rapture in me, at times.
>> But, you know, it would be fun to conjure up a piece of
>> Shub-niggurath somehow ("rilly kewl" and "totally nuclear" also)...
>
>Yeah, well... having been on the receiving end of a rambling and
>incoherent monologue from some grubby kid in a Marilyn Manson t-shirt
>about how he and his friends got stoned and tried to summon Cthulhu with
>the Simonomicon, I sometimes wish the Elder Gods _would_ put in an
>appearance just to scare the little buggers witless. Or at least moreso
>than they already are.
>
lololol.....it really is amazing how deluded some people can be....why
can't these people do something more intelligent with their time, like
drop some acid. Where did you encounter these tenthwits?
Speaking of Elder Gods, does HP mention any besides Nodens?
Magog
<good...@email.msn.com> wrote:
>ltri...@aol.com (Richard D Magrath) wrote:
>> In article <81u2du$hlr$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, James Goodzeit
>> <good...@email.msn.com> writes:
>>
>> >> >They're also quite good for soccer practice.
>> >>
>
>No, No, No, you silly English k'niggit. I have a touch down pass Brett
>Favre signed *football* on my mantlepiece.
>
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sheep dip"
Rule 1------------No one is to be found maltreating the abos, when
there is anyone watching
Rule 2-------------No puftas
Rule 3-------------No one is to be found not drinking in his room
after dark
Rule 4-------------No puftas
Rule 5.............(mmmm, I forgot rule 5)
Rule 6------------There is noooooooooooooooooooo, rule 6
Rule 7------------No puftas
Magog
wrote:
>>> That is, you don't actually believe in magic or the supernatural --
>>> yes? (as opposed to the paranormal and preternatural, which I believe
>>> the weight of accumulated anectodal evidence over time has just been
>>> too much to dismiss)
>
>What is preternatural? The Collins English Dictionary describes it as "beyond
>the laws of nature, supernatural". Which is not helpful. Anyone?
>
Well, Richard, I'm not going by strict dictionary definitions---which,
after all, are written by other people like you and me.
As I was taught, the supernatural is wholly inexplicable, and can
never be "doped out" by scientific means---for me, anything that is
supernatural (ghosts, angels, possessions, etc.) has the implication
of all roads leading back to God, and is therefore, in the end, in any
manifestation, unknowable; and because I'm an atheist, naturally I
don't accept the supernatural's existence.
But the preternatural is, as I accept the word, potentially
knowable----phenomena that are, as of now, outside the compass of
human understanding, but eventually may fall within it.
How's that?
-----------Magog
Benoīt Smith
>"Benoît Smith" <benoit...@vnumail.com> wrote:
>In reality I have nothing against Charlton Heston or the NRA--I am all
>for the freedom of responsible, law-abiding citizens to possess fire
>arms.
So, Mr President, what do you suggest to prevent kids from playing
"Face/Off" in their classroom ? (That's a serious question, I'm not mocking
you).
Benoīt Smith
>multiply, consuming every bit of organic matter; within 8 weeks England
>will be a rocky desolation.
>
>If I were French, I'd be concerned that the tunnel beneath the English
>Channel be dynamited before it's too late.
>
Thanks for the advice !
Gregory L. Hansen
I suppose then they wouldn't be responsible, law-abiding citizens.
--
"That's not an avocado, that's a grenade!" -- The Skipper
Magog
<good...@email.msn.com> wrote:
>Too late. The spores have been released; the plasmodia will grow and
>multiply, consuming every bit of organic matter; within 8 weeks England
>will be a rocky desolation.
>
.
>
>
But what of the plasmodia? They are organic; do they consume
themselves?
In one way, this invenitive bit of horror of yours is reality, James.
It has always been, is, and almost certainly always will be, the "Age
of Bacteria." Bacteria are life's great success story, measured in
time of existence as superphyla (two, the modern bacteria and the
archaeobacteria), biomass (likely 20 times the physical weight of all
other life put together), physical durability (some able to withstand
Phs at either end of the scale that would turn you or me to a puddle,
and temperatures that would freeze us solid or boil us to pudding or
radiations that would fry us pretty crispy), and niche-filling (from
oceanic vents to stratoshphere to human gut to every cubic inch of
soil or ocean or riverine water). and in simple numbers (just those
bacteria in your one set of intestines, James, probably outnumber
every human being on earth.)
Ya' gotta love 'em, little dominant buggers. Sort of puts things in
perspective, when you think about it.
And, you know, we ARE all consumed, as James described, after we're
buried, anyway, by our microscopic friends (actually we're being eaten
and replaced all the time, but best not to dwell on that, eh?)
Maybe horror of a Lovecraftian kind is right here, in real life, if we
just notice it....
Magog
wrote:
>On Wed, 01 Dec 1999 14:25:38 GMT, James Goodzeit
><good...@email.msn.com> wrote:
>
>>ltri...@aol.com (Richard D Magrath) wrote:
>>> In article <81u2du$hlr$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, James Goodzeit
>>> <good...@email.msn.com> writes:
>>>
>>> >> >They're also quite good for soccer practice.
>>> >>
>
>>
>>No, No, No, you silly English k'niggit. I have a touch down pass Brett
>>Favre signed *football* on my mantlepiece.
>>
>
>HELLO, fellow pythoner!
>
>"Bruce here teaches logical positivism, and is also in charge of the
>sheep dip"
>
>
>
>
>
>Rule 1------------No one is to be found maltreating the abos, when
>there is anyone watching
>
>Rule 2-------------No puftas
>
>Rule 3-------------No one is to be found not drinking in his room
>after dark
>
>Rule 4-------------No puftas
>
>Rule 5.............(mmmm, I forgot rule 5)
>
>Rule 6------------There is noooooooooooooooooooo, rule 6
>
>Rule 7------------No puftas
Oh, I remember now: Rule 1 is "no puftas" and all the others get
pushed up one.
Thank you for explaining that, me.
D.E. Kesler
As I announced on IRC a few weeks back, I have plans to raise the
second Confederate Army and invade Washington. I already have several
allies on this news group. These brave souls have decided to join my
army if I can somehow get my hands on some giant mechanical spiders.
While I do not, as of yet, have access to the spiders, I do have a
considerable stock pile of coffee and half of a pack of cigarettes.
In any event, since it seems that you will probably be the very next
president of these so-called United States of Amerika, I have decided to
do the gentlemanly thing and inform you that there will be a tremendous
battle filled with deeds of valour and epic heroism. This battle will
not be with the forces from the home country (although some of those
brave souls might wish to assist me in my noble efforts), instead this
battle will pit brother against brother here upon our own soil.
Regards and Best Wishes,
Donald Eric Kesler
James Goodzeit wrote:
>
> ltri...@aol.com (Richard D Magrath) wrote:
> > I for one am voting Goodzeit for president.*
> >
> > *I'd rather have him rule your country than mine!
>
> That does it. As soon as I'm elected, I'm invading England. Then I'm
> appointing Rush Limbaugh Prime Minister and Charleton Heston Deputy
> Prime Minister.
>
Aaron Feingold
"Benoît Smith" wrote:
>
> James Goodzeit a écrit dans le message <823ajd$c27$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
> >ltri...@aol.com (Richard D Magrath) wrote:
> >As soon as I'm elected, I'm invading England. Then I'm
> >appointing Rush Limbaugh Prime Minister and Charleton Heston Deputy
> >Prime Minister.
>
> Charlton Heston ? The NRA Honorary Chairman ? I hope you're kidding ! (I
> know, I'm not English, but that hurts me, after all.)
Yes, freedom in England is a lost cause. Charleton Heston and the NRA
are much more useful in America, where there is still some chance
(admittedly small) of avoiding total government control of everyone's
life.
-Aaron
"And Aaron stretched out his hand over the waters of Egypt; and the
frogs came up, and covered the land of Egypt."
Georg Datterl
>
> Goodzeit,
> if a mind parasite got into your head he'd probably puke.
*Beep* You own, personal mind parasite just starved to death.
RIP.
--
mfg, Georg
Richard D Magrath
presidential candidate Goodzeit make his comments on mould and the NRA (serious
topics in today's political field)? Why are some replies before the actual
posts?
Perhaps James is trying to use non-Euclidean geometry to escape to a universe
in which Cthulhu-worshipping, pro-NRA right-wing extremists can get to be
president and these are the side effects.
Yikes.... JG as US President..... that would be like John Prescott being
British Prime Minister! Except without the silly mullet.
Richard D. Magrath
LtRi...@aol.com
Richard D Magrath
writes:
>> >As soon as I'm elected, I'm invading England. Then I'm
>> >appointing Rush Limbaugh Prime Minister and Charleton Heston Deputy
>> >Prime Minister.
>>
>> Charlton Heston ? The NRA Honorary Chairman ? I hope you're kidding ! (I
>> know, I'm not English, but that hurts me, after all.)
>
>Yes, freedom in England is a lost cause. Charleton Heston and the NRA
>are much more useful in America, where there is still some chance
>(admittedly small) of avoiding total government control of everyone's
>life.
America - the land of the free. Don't like a co-worker? Blow him away. Wife
left you? Gun her down. New York Knicks lost the championship title? Go on a
killing spree and make the nine o'clock news. Excellent!
You really are "pissing into the wind" with those comments, as we say 'up
north'.
Richard D. Magrath
LtRi...@aol.com
James Goodzeit
> Argh! For some strange reason this thread no longer makes sense to me.
When did
> presidential candidate Goodzeit make his comments on mould and the NRA
(serious
> topics in today's political field)?
About 90 million years ago, when my mind was trapped insind a Yithian. Only
recently one of our Austrailan collegues discovered the tablet wherein I
inscribed those comments.
> Why are some replies before the actual
> posts?
Yog-Sothothery.
> Perhaps James is trying to use non-Euclidean geometry to escape to a
universe
> in which Cthulhu-worshipping, pro-NRA right-wing extremists can get to be
> president and these are the side effects.
I'm not sure how much of this is in jest, Richard. I've stated my position
on guns and I really don't care to be labeled as a 'pro-NRA right-wing
extremist'. The last thing want is to start a gun debate on this NG, and
won't get involved if one occurs. There are many reasonable arguments both
for and against as well as many fallacious ones; and there are sensible,
rational people on both sides. Calling one side a bunch of 'militant
right-wing extremists' is merely spewing vitreol, exhibiting fanaticism, and
does not advance any cause.
James Goodzeit
>
> But what of the plasmodia? They are organic; do they consume
> themselves?
I suppose they can somehow recognise their own, as do white blood cells in
the human body.
I don't know much biology, but aren't plasmodia fungal? As in a stage of a
slime mold's life that is spent as a motile blob of protoplasm that consumes
organic matter. Though the ones I had in mind were as big as automobiles and
quite motile--and with an uncanny ability to track the richest, most
nutrient source of organic matter: human beings.
> In one way, this invenitive bit of horror of yours is reality, James.
I wouldn't say inventive here: hasn't the basic premise been used in 'The
Blob', even though I don't know of any film or literature that features a
giant plasmodium per se.
> It has always been, is, and almost certainly always will be, the "Age
> of Bacteria." Bacteria are life's great success story, measured in
> time of existence as superphyla (two, the modern bacteria and the
> archaeobacteria), biomass (likely 20 times the physical weight of all
> other life put together),
Excluding, of course, Rosie O'Donnell.
> physical durability (some able to withstand
> Phs at either end of the scale that would turn you or me to a puddle,
> and temperatures that would freeze us solid or boil us to pudding or
> radiations that would fry us pretty crispy), and niche-filling (from
> oceanic vents to stratoshphere to human gut to every cubic inch of
> soil or ocean or riverine water). and in simple numbers (just those
> bacteria in your one set of intestines, James, probably outnumber
> every human being on earth.)
Gee-those 'suicidal' chicken-wings probably burnt to a crisp, irradiated,
sterilized every living thing in my gut: bacteria, tapeworms, mudskippers,
and all.
> Ya' gotta love 'em, little dominant buggers. Sort of puts things in
> perspective, when you think about it.
Sounds like you keep a few of these critters as pets! BT, I suppose if some
people keep cats, why not keep something that actually does something for
the ecosystem.
> And, you know, we ARE all consumed, as James described, after we're
> buried, anyway, by our microscopic friends (actually we're being eaten
> and replaced all the time, but best not to dwell on that, eh?)
And there are those who have been eaten and replaced--by the bacteria--to
such an extent that they may be regarded as of an essentially different kind
of organism.
> Maybe horror of a Lovecraftian kind is right here, in real life, if we
> just notice it....
Still think shoggoths and flying polyps are more interesting though.
James Goodzeit
> Hello James,
>
> As I announced on IRC a few weeks back, I have plans to raise the
> second Confederate Army and invade Washington. I already have several
> allies on this news group. These brave souls have decided to join my
> army if I can somehow get my hands on some giant mechanical spiders.
> While I do not, as of yet, have access to the spiders, I do have a
> considerable stock pile of coffee and half of a pack of cigarettes.
> In any event, since it seems that you will probably be the very next
> president of these so-called United States of Amerika, I have decided to
> do the gentlemanly thing and inform you that there will be a tremendous
> battle filled with deeds of valour and epic heroism. This battle will
> not be with the forces from the home country (although some of those
> brave souls might wish to assist me in my noble efforts), instead this
> battle will pit brother against brother here upon our own soil.
ROTFLMAO!
I can't help you out with the spiders. How about some giant mechanical
grasshoppers?
James Goodzeit
> James Goodzeit a écrit dans le message <82677p$fpl$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
> >"Benoît Smith" <benoit...@vnumail.com> wrote:
> >In reality I have nothing against Charlton Heston or the NRA--I am all
> >for the freedom of responsible, law-abiding citizens to possess fire
> >arms.
>
>
> So, Mr President, what do you suggest to prevent kids from playing
> "Face/Off" in their classroom ? (That's a serious question, I'm not
mocking
> you).
>
Would it be better if I state my position as "I am all for the freedom of
responsible, law-abiding *adult* citizens to posess fire arms"?
Aaron Feingold
developing hive mind with thoughts of individual value and
responsibility. I do not intend or craft my comments to be processed by
those who have been programmed with ethics and ideology suitable for
bees, or perhaps ants. It seems that you would prefer to to give the
police, who are generally one of the less educated portions of society,
a monopoly on weapons, and therefore total control of a weak, pathetic
society of the disarmed. Sounds suspiciously like several of the
totalitarian states which call themselves "democracies" or "republics"
these days (North Korea, Australia, China, England, etc...).
Now that we have all spewed a good amount of venom, perhaps we can get
back on topic...this discussion is better suited to talk.politics.guns
(i do not know of any alt.left.extreme or alt.anti.freedom type
newsgroups, or i would have suggested those for some members of the
current thread)...
So who (pro-freedom and anti-freedom alike) thinks that if Rhan-Tegoth
is killed, the Old Ones can never return? Do you think this was just a
myth, based on wishful thinking, or does it really give mankind a way
out? Is it even possible to kill Rhan-Tegoth?
-Aaron
"And Aaron stretched out his hand over the waters of Egypt; and the
frogs came up, and covered the land of Egypt."
Richard D Magrath wrote:
<various anti-freedom remarks snipped>
Kwarl
if a mind parasite got into your head he'd probably puke.
On Thu, 02 Dec 1999 16:37:13 GMT, James Goodzeit
<good...@email.msn.com> wrote:
>"Benoît Smith" <benoit...@vnumail.com> wrote:
>> Charlton Heston ? The NRA Honorary Chairman ? I hope you're kidding !
>(I
>> know, I'm not English, but that hurts me, after all.)
>
>
>Yes! I was just mock waving a tenticle at my imaginary presecutors.
>
>In reality I have nothing against Charlton Heston or the NRA--I am all
>for the freedom of responsible, law-abiding citizens to possess fire
>arms.
>
>
StoOdin101
>is killed, the Old Ones can never return?
That was true in HORROR IN THE MUSEUM, just as it is true that all the Old Ones
are in R'lyeh, and that Cthulhu is their leader, in CALL OF CTHULHU. And it is
equally true, but only in THE DUNWICH HORROR, that The Old Ones are far more
powerful than Cthulhu and that he can see them only dimly. It wasn't until the
last few stories of his life that HPL began to make some real connexions within
his stories, and those connexions were more a Cosmic History than a Cthulhu
Mythos.
"What makes possible the writing of good music, beyond that talent for handling
sound that is required for being a musician at all, is emotional sincerity and
intellectual honesty." ---- Virgil Thomson; "The Art of Judging Music"
Richard D Magrath
writes:
>I suppose they can somehow recognise their own, as do white blood cells in
>the human body.
>I don't know much biology, but aren't plasmodia fungal? As in a stage of a
>slime mold's life that is spent as a motile blob of protoplasm that consumes
>organic matter. Though the ones I had in mind were as big as automobiles and
>quite motile--and with an uncanny ability to track the richest, most
>nutrient source of organic matter: human beings.
Like the big silver thing in cult Welsh surreal drama 'The Prisoner'?
Richard D. Magrath
LtRi...@aol.com
Richard D Magrath
writes:
>Please accept my apologies for intruding on your small section of a
>developing hive mind with thoughts of individual value and
>responsibility. I do not intend or craft my comments to be processed by
>those who have been programmed with ethics and ideology suitable for
>bees, or perhaps ants. It seems that you would prefer to to give the
>police, who are generally one of the less educated portions of society,
>a monopoly on weapons, and therefore total control of a weak, pathetic
>society of the disarmed. Sounds suspiciously like several of the
>totalitarian states which call themselves "democracies" or "republics"
>these days (North Korea, Australia, China, England, etc...).
>
>Now that we have all spewed a good amount of venom, perhaps we can get
>back on topic...this discussion is better suited to talk.politics.guns
>(i do not know of any alt.left.extreme or alt.anti.freedom type
>newsgroups, or i would have suggested those for some members of the
>current thread)...
Looks like you've been sucking too hard on Uncle Charlton's propaganda teat,
Comrade (sorry about any disturbing images that sentence may bring up). I was
going to write a scathing reply, but in the spirit of recycling I am going to
use your original post, albeit with some subtle alterations. Have fun!
[Author's note to right-wing readers: Please don't be offended by this. Unless
you are Aaron Feingold, who should feel very offended indeed]
Please accept my apologies for intruding on your small section of a
developing hive mind with thoughts of individual value and
responsibility. I do not intend or craft my comments to be processed by
those who have been programmed with ethics and ideology suitable for
Tories, or perhaps small apes. It seems that you would prefer to to give the
general public, who are generally one of the less educated portions of society,
all the weapons, and therefore ensure total anarchy in a mindless, bloodthirsty
society of the heavily armed. Sounds suspiciously like several of the
totalitarian states which call themselves "democracies" or "republics"
these days (Kuwait, East Timor, Russia, America, etc...).
Now that we have all spewed three pub measures of venom, perhaps we can get
back on topic...this discussion is better suited to talk.politics.guns
(i do not know of any alt.right.extreme or alt.neo.nazi type
newsgroups, or i would have suggested those for some members of the
current thread)...
So who (pro-freedom and anti-freedom alike) thinks that if Bill Gates
is killed, Windows can never return? Do you think this was just a
myth, based on wishful thinking, or does it really give mankind a way
out? Is it even possible to kill Bill Gates?
-Richard
"And Richard stretched out his hand over the waters of Egypt; and got lots of
funny looks from passing tourists."
Richard D. Magrath
LtRi...@aol.com
Richard D Magrath
writes:
>> Perhaps James is trying to use non-Euclidean geometry to escape to a
>universe
>> in which Cthulhu-worshipping, pro-NRA right-wing extremists can get to be
>> president and these are the side effects.
>
>I'm not sure how much of this is in jest, Richard.
Everything I say is in jest, unless stated otherwise. I destest 'emoticons',
you see, and constantly write letters to the UN asking for an international ban
on them. Just imagine I have a little smily face at the end of each sentence,
you moronic, friendless spawn of Cthulhu :)
>I've stated my position
>on guns and I really don't care to be labeled as a 'pro-NRA right-wing
>extremist'. The last thing want is to start a gun debate on this NG, and
>won't get involved if one occurs. There are many reasonable arguments both
>for and against as well as many fallacious ones; and there are sensible,
>rational people on both sides. Calling one side a bunch of 'militant
>right-wing extremists' is merely spewing vitreol, exhibiting fanaticism, and
>does not advance any cause.
And with those words I read Aaron Feingold's post....
Richard D. Magrath
LtRi...@aol.com
D.E. Kesler
Although I find your kind offer to loan me the use of your weaponry to
be most gentlemanly, I feel that such an act violates the spirit of the
forthcoming conflict. After all, we will be at war with one another.
Fear not. We will come up with some means of challenging your
mechanical swarm of grasshoppers. Currently, I am in top secret
negotiations with the French. I am quite confident that they will loan
me their small yet effective fleet of Simonized Ornithopters. These
beauties are all equiped with the latest Neoplatonic drive systems and
Duel Tessla Cannons. I am only telling you this, because I know that
you are a man of honor and will not use this information in an
unsportsmanlike fashion.
Regards and Best Wishes,
Donald Eric Kesler
Benoīt Smith
Richard D Magrath a écrit dans le message
<19991205141245...@ngol03.aol.com>...
No. Everyone knows that Uncle Bill is actually one of the most powerful
avatars of Nyarlathotep... (I know, this joke was really rough, but I
couldn't resist...)
Benoît Smith
TEKELI-LI !
Aaron Feingold
> And with those words I read Aaron Feingold's post....
And with your words (calling Mr. Goodzeit a right-wing extremist) in
mind I wrote that post... While I disagreed with pretty much everything
you said in your followup, it was funny. Sorry for the flame, I also
did not realize that you intended your words to be in jest. I saw you
basically blasting those you disagreed with, and decided to respond more
or less in kind. Your comments regarding Nazis were perhaps the most
annoying, as Nazis were definitely not pro-gun...
Now I shall withdraw, as this is not the forum for a gun rights
flamewar... I have been lurking here for quite a long time, posting
only occasionally, and I did not intend to become involved in something
like this. Perhaps this thread can die. Kwarl's sudden appearence is a
rather bad omen... This discussion seems to have attracted him, where in
the past he has started this type of thing.
It seems that Kwarl is on your side, btw. Rather strange, as he seems
to have posted a question regarding the quality of new S&W weapons to
the newsgroup rec.guns a while back (although that was in his prior
"Evil Ivan" incarnation, he had the same email address). It seems that
he noticed the brewing flame war, and just decided to add to the fire.
Miss Felicity
>
> Dear President to be Goodzeit,
>
> Although I find your kind offer to loan me the use of your weaponry
> to be most gentlemanly, I feel that such an act violates the spirit of
> the forthcoming conflict. After all, we will be at war with one
> another.
>
> Fear not. We will come up with some means of challenging your
> mechanical swarm of grasshoppers. Currently, I am in top secret
> negotiations with the French. I am quite confident that they will
> loan me their small yet effective fleet of Simonized Ornithopters.
> These beauties are all equiped with the latest Neoplatonic drive
> systems and Duel Tessla Cannons. I am only telling you this, because
> I know that you are a man of honor and will not use this information
> in an unsportsmanlike fashion.
>
> Regards and Best Wishes,
>
> Donald Eric Kesler
Onward Martian spiders
Crawling off to war
With the King in Yellow
Leading on before...
Miss Felicity (But boy, could he play guitar...)
James Goodzeit
everything I sent yesterday, my school's server has been dead these
past 3 days, and nothing has shown up on my-deja. BTW Outlook Express
5.0 is garbage.]
D.E. Kesler <er...@fantasm.org> wrote
> Dear President to be Goodzeit,
>
> Although I find your kind offer to loan me the use of your weaponry to
> be most gentlemanly, I feel that such an act violates the spirit of
the
> forthcoming conflict. After all, we will be at war with one another.
>
> Fear not. We will come up with some means of challenging your
> mechanical swarm of grasshoppers. Currently, I am in top secret
> negotiations with the French. I am quite confident that they will
loan
> me their small yet effective fleet of Simonized Ornithopters. These
> beauties are all equiped with the latest Neoplatonic drive systems and
> Duel Tessla Cannons. I am only telling you this, because I know that
> you are a man of honor and will not use this information in an
> unsportsmanlike fashion.
>
Dear General Kesler:
Your little insurrection doesn't stand a chance and will quickly be
crushed.
Not only do the grasshoppers spit tobacco juice so corrosive that it
will
eat through adaminium armour, but they are so numerous that a man could
not
count them in his lifetime. In addition, several specimens of the giant
moa,
previously though extinct, have been found in the remotest forrests of
New
Zealand. With a vigorous captive breeding program, my forces now boast
136
cavalry divisions. In addition to serving as mounts, these animals are
in
themselves formidable instruments of warfare. Consider the loan of the
grasshoppers to be an act of good sportsmanship--though the battle will
be
but very brief and when over, the rebels will be delt with harshly. And
consider this offer of hospitality: I will grant you diplomatic
immunity and
invite you to tea and to watch the bloody outcome in the complete
safety of
my mobile submarine headquarters, right now on the abyssal plain off the
coast of Puerto Rico, 33,000 feet below the surface.
Your most humble and obliged servant,
J. E. Goodzeit
jim boyle
> more accurate description of play, incidentally), there's a game called
> rugby played by people who are tough enough not to need a lot of silly
> armour.
I have also heard of a game in which if an individual does not wear this
"silly" armor he is likely to be killed by a very large, strong, fast, angry
individual....
--
jim boyle
Anything rather than the burning brightness of unmitigated Reality-anything!
"The Doors of Perception"
-Aldous Huxley
Patrick Crocker
Confederacy! And may I say that we are really going to kick your asses this
time."
-- General Cartman Lee
"D.E. Kesler" <er...@fantasm.org> wrote in message
news:3847EC...@fantasm.org...
> Hello James,
>
> As I announced on IRC a few weeks back, I have plans to raise the
> second Confederate Army and invade Washington. I already have several
> allies on this news group. These brave souls have decided to join my
> army if I can somehow get my hands on some giant mechanical spiders.
> While I do not, as of yet, have access to the spiders, I do have a
> considerable stock pile of coffee and half of a pack of cigarettes.
> In any event, since it seems that you will probably be the very next
> president of these so-called United States of Amerika, I have decided to
> do the gentlemanly thing and inform you that there will be a tremendous
> battle filled with deeds of valour and epic heroism. This battle will
> not be with the forces from the home country (although some of those
> brave souls might wish to assist me in my noble efforts), instead this
> battle will pit brother against brother here upon our own soil.
>
> Regards and Best Wishes,
>
> Donald Eric Kesler
> James Goodzeit wrote:
> >
> > ltri...@aol.com (Richard D Magrath) wrote:
> > > I for one am voting Goodzeit for president.*
> > >
> > > *I'd rather have him rule your country than mine!
> >
> > That does it. As soon as I'm elected, I'm invading England. Then I'm
> > appointing Rush Limbaugh Prime Minister and Charleton Heston Deputy
> > Prime Minister.
> >
Patrick Crocker
paraphrasing here)
Ray: "I think were dealing with the preternatural here."
Egon: "Yes, I concur"
Peter: "Preter-what?"
Ray: "Hmm? oh, well there's what's supernatural and then there's what's
preternatural."
Peter: "And what's the difference might I ask?"
Ray: "Well, the supernatural concerns ghosts, monsters, deamons and such
that was once normal to our world. Preternatural beings are totally alien to
our existance, like Zuul."
Peter: "And Egon."
Egon: "Right Peter, ha ha."
Just a thought.....he he :)
Egon: "Cthulhu" Peter: "Bless you" -- The Real Ghostbusters
"Magog" <Jack_F...@talkcity.com> wrote in message
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> On 30 Nov 1999 20:54:00 GMT, ltri...@aol.com (Richard D Magrath)
> wrote:
>
> >>> That is, you don't actually believe in magic or the supernatural --
> >>> yes? (as opposed to the paranormal and preternatural, which I believe
> >>> the weight of accumulated anectodal evidence over time has just been
> >>> too much to dismiss)
> >
> >What is preternatural? The Collins English Dictionary describes it as
"beyond
> >the laws of nature, supernatural". Which is not helpful. Anyone?
> >
>
>
> Well, Richard, I'm not going by strict dictionary definitions---which,
> after all, are written by other people like you and me.
>
> As I was taught, the supernatural is wholly inexplicable, and can
> never be "doped out" by scientific means---for me, anything that is
> supernatural (ghosts, angels, possessions, etc.) has the implication
> of all roads leading back to God, and is therefore, in the end, in any
> manifestation, unknowable; and because I'm an atheist, naturally I
> don't accept the supernatural's existence.
>
> But the preternatural is, as I accept the word, potentially
> knowable----phenomena that are, as of now, outside the compass of
> human understanding, but eventually may fall within it.
>
> How's that?
>
>
>
> -----------Magog
James Goodzeit
> Just imagine I have a little smily face at the end of each sentence,
> you moronic, friendless spawn of Cthulhu :)
>
Why you rancid puddle of Mi-Go ichor, I HATE you, I HATE you!!!!!!!!! / %-D
/
Georg Datterl
> Perhaps this thread can die. Kwarl's sudden appearence is a
> rather bad omen...
I guess you are right. Kwarl posta, causa finita.
--
mfg, Georg
Richard D Magrath
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>> >What is preternatural? The Collins English Dictionary describes it as
>"beyond
>> >the laws of nature, supernatural". Which is not helpful. Anyone?
>> >
>>
>>
>> Well, Richard, I'm not going by strict dictionary definitions---which,
>> after all, are written by other people like you and me.
>>
>> As I was taught, the supernatural is wholly inexplicable, and can
>> never be "doped out" by scientific means---for me, anything that is
>> supernatural (ghosts, angels, possessions, etc.) has the implication
>> of all roads leading back to God, and is therefore, in the end, in any
>> manifestation, unknowable; and because I'm an atheist, naturally I
>> don't accept the supernatural's existence.
>>
>> But the preternatural is, as I accept the word, potentially
>> knowable----phenomena that are, as of now, outside the compass of
>> human understanding, but eventually may fall within it.
>>
>> How's that?
Thanks for the explanation, Jack. Unfortunately it was one of the posts that
disappeared into the ether a while back, so I only got to read it when Pat
Crocker replied to it. I see what you're getting at, but if both are unknowable
to current science, who decides what is supernatural and what is preternatural?
(Presuming you do not deny the supernatural exists?)
Richard D. Magrath
LtRi...@aol.com
"In Italy for 30 years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder, and
bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci, and the
Renaissance. In Switzerland they had brotherly love - they had 500 years of
democracy and peace, and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock." -Harry Lime,
THE THIRD MAN
Richard D Magrath
<good...@email.msn.com> writes:
I'm already recording Sky News in anticipation. Would the victor like to
purchase a copy afterwards?
Richard D Magrath
writes:
>Why you rancid puddle of Mi-Go ichor, I HATE you, I HATE you!!!!!!!!! / %-D
Rot in hell like the proverbial mouldy piece of banana that fell down the back
of the fridge in 1989 and was recently unearthed by an archeological team in my
kitchen last July (or maybe that was a plumber - I'm not quite sure) that you
are! :-) <hugs>