HELP I need a 19inch LCD Flat Panel that works with games

[Brent]

I bought the Sony HS93 19" Flat Panel LCD Display w/ $100
Mail-in-rebate from Staples and tried it out for a day or so. It
looked awesome with regular windows applications but the picture
"ghosted" when playing 1st person shooter games like Quake III, Unreal
T., Unreal T. 2003, etc. When I say "ghosted" I mean that it was
blurry any time I moved in those games.

My video card is a GeForce FX 5200 with 256 megs of ram so I don't
think it's a video card issue. I didn't play with the settings on
video card that much to see if I could get it to work.

Is there anyone out there that has a 19inch LCD Flat Panel that has it
working with 1st person shooter games well? If so tell me what
equipment you have and I will buy the same thing! :)

[SR]

You can wait for the new LG L1910B reviews or user comments.
http://makeashorterlink.com/?Q32B564D5

<<on paper>> the panel is significantly faster than 25ms PVA/MVA
used by Sony, Nec, Eizo, Acer and everyone other.

Regards

[Default]

I thought you said the Sony was supposed to be S-IPS a while ago.

[SR]

> I thought you said the Sony was supposed to be S-IPS a while ago.

Some Sony model have S-IPS panel.
Surely 18'' X82 has one from LG.Philips.

But in the 19'' size Fujitsu MVA and Samsung PVA
are the only alternatives..... until the L1910B coming.

Nec (with Hitachi) say next year.

[Default]

BTW do you know if the new Sansung T and P models have 16ms?

[SR]

> BTW do you know if the new Sansung T and P models have 16ms?

New Samsung T models still have 25ms.
I don't heard of any new P model. :-\

With 16ms there are new X series 152X and 172X.
http://makeashorterlink.com/?X178265E5

Iiyama has a C480T with 19'' 16ms MVA.
But I repeat that MVA/PVA ghosting is more heavy
than TN/S-IPS with same response time.

[SR]

> With 16ms there are new X series 152X and 172X.

I must say X series are TN with dithering.
So can be great for games and general use but not
much suitable for graphic applications.

[Brent]

SR, So what is the bottom line? Is there a 19" flat panel that
someone here has used with games that doesn't ghost???

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[SR]

> SR, So what is the bottom line? Is there a 19" flat panel that
> someone here has used with games that doesn't ghost???

For now, LG L1910B can be the only chance to
have better speed in the 19'' size.

I say "can be" because this model is very new
and I've read only paper informations.
So, to know the real behaviour we must wait
for a good review or a user report.

Regards

[John123]

I was actually thinking about buying a 172X. But what's "TN with dithering"
and how come it's not suitable for graphic applications? Are you sure the X
series use this technology?

[SR]

> I was actually thinking about buying a 172X. But what's "TN with
dithering"
> and how come it's not suitable for graphic applications?

Like many other 16ms LCDs the panel has 18bit (262K colors).
The 16,7M colors are obtained with "temporal dithering".
It mean every image is built with a sequence of more frames (4?).
The eye don't perceive this because the action is fast and
there is the persistence.

No brand is so honest to write this clearly on monitor specs. :-\
(I remember only BenQ)
Usually they write "16.2M colors" instead of "16.7M".

But the real problem is that TN (Twisted Nematic)
don't have a great viewing angle.............
and this is the main point for graphic tasks.

>Are you sure the X series use this technology?

99,99% sure :-)

If you want a graphic oriented LCD
I suggest you the Eizo L565 or new L567.

It have an excellent Hitachi panel (S-IPS)
with quality electronics and manufacturing.
Not fast as 16ms monitors, but more than
many 25ms.

[Default]

The new Samsung 173P (out next month) is supposed to have 16ms on a PVA
panel, and 16.2m (or was 16.7m) colours too.

[Khuli]

Default wrote:
> SR wrote:
>>> I was actually thinking about buying a 172X. But what's "TN with
>>> dithering" and how come it's not suitable for graphic
applications?
>>
>> Like many other 16ms LCDs the panel has 18bit (262K colors).
>> The 16,7M colors are obtained with "temporal dithering".
>> It mean every image is built with a sequence of more frames (4?).
>> The eye don't perceive this because the action is fast and
>> there is the persistence.
>>
>> No brand is so honest to write this clearly on monitor specs. :-\
>> (I remember only BenQ)
>> Usually they write "16.2M colors" instead of "16.7M".
>>
>> But the real problem is that TN (Twisted Nematic)
>> don't have a great viewing angle.............
>> and this is the main point for graphic tasks.
>>
>>> Are you sure the X series use this technology?
>>
>> 99,99% sure :-)
>>
>> If you want a graphic oriented LCD
>> I suggest you the Eizo L565 or new L567.
>>
>> It have an excellent Hitachi panel (S-IPS)
>> with quality electronics and manufacturing.
>> Not fast as 16ms monitors, but more than
>> many 25ms.
>

I've got an Eizo L565 - bloody excellent it is too!

[John123]

Thanks for your reply. Is there *any* manufacturer capable of producing 16ms
TFT monitors without TN technology?

BTW: I had a look at the specs for Samsung 172X, and it says 16.2 million
colours, just like you said was the case with TN based monitors. I guess
you've seen this too, and base your assumption that 172X use TN on this?

[John123]

I've seen it has received excellent reviews. But it appears to only have a
30 ms response time?

[John123]

Is PVA panel the "normal" panel type - meaning that it's not TN (Twisted
Nematic)?

[John123]

I just had a read the specs for Samsung 173P and it looks really good:

16 ms response time
16.7m colors
Contrast 700:1
Brightness 270 cd/m2
178 degree viewing angle
Type: a-si TFT /PVA

Street price: $549

[SR]

> I've got an Eizo L565 - bloody excellent it is too!

You are a connoisseur. ;-)

The only defect (for me) is that is 17''.

[SR]

> Thanks for your reply. Is there *any* manufacturer capable of producing
16ms
> TFT monitors without TN technology?

LG L1910B is a 16ms S-IPS (LG.Philips panel).

Iiyama have 16ms MVA (Fujitsu panel).

But they are 19''...

> BTW: I had a look at the specs for Samsung 172X, and it says 16.2 million
> colours, just like you said was the case with TN based monitors.

TN doesn't implicate necessarily the dithering.
There are TN without dithering and other
technologies with dithering.
Samsung make PVA with dithering.

> I guess you've seen this too, and base your assumption that 172X use TN on
this?

16.2M colors indicate dithering...

Low viewing angle (under 160) indicate TN...

Samsung site indicate TN... ;-)
http://monitor.samsung.de/detail_tft_syncmaster.asp?artid=642

This doesn't mean 172X is a bad monitor...
Samsung panels are among the bests and the
most sold in the world.

I only say that if you want a LCD for graphic work,
there are better models.

[SR]

> I just had a read the specs for Samsung 173P and it looks really good:
>
> 16 ms response time
> 16.7m colors
> Contrast 700:1
> Brightness 270 cd/m2
> 178 degree viewing angle
> Type: a-si TFT /PVA
>
> Street price: $549

WOW

I've found this infos (I think you know):
http://www.hwhpr.com/prclients/samsung/techxny_0903/SM_173P.html

172X will be however faster than 173P
because the different technology.
But speed is not all.......

[Default]

I don't know. AFAIK TN is the "normal" type but has limited viewing angles
compared to PVA.

[John123]

Well, both 172X and 173P are specified at 16 ms response time. But maybe
response time alone doesn't tell the whole story?

[SR]

> Well, both 172X and 173P are specified at 16 ms response time. But maybe
> response time alone doesn't tell the whole story?

"usually" MVA/PVA have an heavy ghosting
and can't be fast as TN.
But on paper this can be a good monitor
for graphic and movies.
I'm also curious to see the design... :-]
Samsung make very nice looking monitors,
also if not robust as others.