California Pacific University
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Cal-Pacifica University) in San Deigo,Ca?
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Rich Douglas
and Doctoral degrees in business; a narrow, yet successful, approach
they've used for more than two decades. In the past, they made abortive
attempts at cooperative arrangements with other schools (International
College, now defunct, and Alabama A&M were two), but now seem to be happy
concentrating on their core business. My guess is their degrees are of
limited value in the workplace, of little or no value in academia, and of
great value for self-esteem. I like 'em, but caution that if you need
someone else's acceptance of your degree, you should consider the plethora
of accredited options.
Rich Douglas, who is from San Diego originally, but has no connection with
Dr. Dalton's operation.
Tom Head
> Does anybody have any comments about California Pacific University (Not
> Cal-Pacifica University) in San Deigo,Ca?
To the best of my knowledge, legitimate but unaccredited. Approved by the
state of California, which is nothing to sneeze at, but I wouldn't want to
apply for a job with one of their degrees.
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degree from this school will probably be limited outside of CA.
You'll find few (if any) regular participants in this group that would
chose this school to complete their education; in most cases the LCD
is regional accreditation.
Pete
On Tue, 07 Dec 1999 12:19:13 GMT, 042...@my-deja.com wrote:
>Does anybody have any comments about California Pacific University (Not
>Cal-Pacifica University) in San Deigo,Ca?
>
>
John Bear
anywhere from one to five years, and California Pacific is one of the very
few that got it for the full five years.
Pete
choose, that is
>chose
042...@my-deja.com
In article <384D1064...@erols.com>,
Rich Douglas <rcdo...@erols.com> wrote:
> Yes. A reputable, State-Approved school offering the Bachelor's,
Master's
> and Doctoral degrees in business; a narrow, yet successful, approach
> they've used for more than two decades. In the past, they made
abortive
> attempts at cooperative arrangements with other schools (International
> College, now defunct, and Alabama A&M were two), but now seem to be
happy
> concentrating on their core business. My guess is their degrees are
of
> limited value in the workplace, of little or no value in academia, and
of
> great value for self-esteem. I like 'em, but caution that if you need
> someone else's acceptance of your degree, you should consider the
plethora
> of accredited options.
>
> Rich Douglas, who is from San Diego originally, but has no connection
with
> Dr. Dalton's operation.
>
LevineJW
suggest that students have to work just as hard for their degrees as those
attending regionally accredited schools? After all, California state approval
is suppose to mean that a school meets specific criteria similar to that of
regional accreditation, including meeting minimal academic standards. (Thus,
holders of appropriate 'approved' degrees can sit for California state
licensing exams such as those in law, psychology and marriage therapy.)
If this is true, why then would someone choose to attend a California approved
school rather than a regionally accredited one, especially if self-esteem is a
primary reason for achieving their degree? I admit to having a bias: I highly
suggest that you attend one of the many regionally accredited schools oft
discussed in this newsgroup (such as Union Institute, Regents College, Thomas
Edison State College) rather than a California approved school. As others have
already noted, such a degree will likely have little or no value in acadamia or
business, particularly outside of California. I am not sure how that could
possibly help with self-esteem.
Jeffrey
Joseph Wang
LevineJW <levi...@cs.com> wrote:
>If this is true, why then would someone choose to attend a California approved
>school rather than a regionally accredited one, especially if self-esteem is a
>primary reason for achieving their degree?
Because there are degrees and credentials offered by California
approved schools that aren't offerred by the regionally accreditted
ones.
For example, if you want to practice law via distance learning,
graduating from a California-approved school and passing the bar is
one of the few routes open to you. Also, there is a general lack of
distance learning doctoral programs, and while we can get into a long
argument over the rigor of the California-approved doctoral programs,
they certainly aren't crooks wanting to take your money.
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Steve Montelli
California Coast DBA program 3 months ago. It is a 15 course program. I was given
credit for 9 MBA classes taken at California Pacific. This left 6 DBA classes to
complete at Calif. Coast.
I've read Steve L's tirades about Cal Coast for quite awhile now, but always with
the "jaundiced eye". I found the California Pacific MBA to be fairly challenging
and it allowed me to take the Nursing Home Administrator exam in California and
thought the same would hold true for California Coast. However, one course into the
Cal Coast DBA I realized everything that SL had written was true. The "class"
consisted of a syllabus with 6 sections of questions and a standard college text.
The first section covered, for example, chapters 1-7. There would then be a 25
question test. Keep in mind that all the questions were multiple choice and the
chapter that the question was taken from was indicated next to the question. This
was followed by another series of chapters to read and then another 25 question
exam. The mid term consisted of 50 questions and covered the previous reading and
included some of the same questions asked on earlier exams. Then more reading, two
more exams of 25 questions each, then the 50 question final. All done in the same
format.
The course material was very professionally done. I would go to the school to get
my textbooks and course exams. The people were pleasant and VERY busy mailing out
info. to prospective students and statements to current students. The inside of the
building is nice compared to the outside. The upstairs library has literally
thousands of student dissertations lining the shelves. It's a pretty impressive
operation.
I finished one class in three weeks. Finished the second about a month later.
Finished the third three weeks after that. I still owed $3,000.00 and was almost
finished with the entire degree program. At this point, realizing the severe error
of my ways, I wrote a pleasant letter to the registrar withdrawing from the
program.
So, from first hand experience, there is NO rigor at California Coast.
Steve Montelli
Joseph Wang wrote:
> Also, there is a general lack of
> distance learning doctoral programs, and while we can get into a long
> argument over the rigor of the California-approved doctoral programs,
> they certainly aren't crooks wanting to take your money.
John Bear
<mont...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> Well Joe, let me add my experience with a California approved DBA. I
started the
> California Coast DBA program 3 months ago. It is a 15 course program. I
was given
> credit for 9 MBA classes taken at California Pacific. This left 6 DBA
classes to
> complete at Calif. Coast.
What's interesting about this is that California law (as I think I
understand it) requires that only 25% of the credit for a doctorate can
come from things done prior to enrollment. It would seem that Mr. Montelli
got 60%.
Rich Douglas
LevineJW wrote:
> Am I missing something? If a school is California approved, does that not
> suggest that students have to work just as hard for their degrees as those
> attending regionally accredited schools? After all, California state approval
> is suppose to mean that a school meets specific criteria similar to that of
> regional accreditation, including meeting minimal academic standards. (Thus,
> holders of appropriate 'approved' degrees can sit for California state
> licensing exams such as those in law, psychology and marriage therapy.)
Not exactly. The law used to say that "Approved" schools were comparable to
accredited degrees, but this was not widely accepted. It has never been generally
accepted that approved schools are/were equivalent to accredited schools.
>
>
> If this is true, why then would someone choose to attend a California approved
> school rather than a regionally accredited one, especially if self-esteem is a
> primary reason for achieving their degree? I admit to having a bias: I highly
> suggest that you attend one of the many regionally accredited schools oft
> discussed in this newsgroup (such as Union Institute, Regents College, Thomas
> Edison State College) rather than a California approved school. As others have
> already noted, such a degree will likely have little or no value in acadamia or
> business, particularly outside of California. I am not sure how that could
> possibly help with self-esteem.
>
> Cost, residency, credit for prior learning, time limits, and, unfortunately,
> easier academic standards are just a few. But to say these degrees are of little
> value in academia or business ignores that many people use degree titles with
> little or no scrutiny. If legitimate, unaccredited schools offer a product with
> no value, how have so many stayed in business for so long? CCU must be
> delivering a product that performs to most holders' (graduates') expectations, or
> they would have gone out of business a long time ago.
Rich Douglas, who as a Human Resources Director can confidently assert there are
plenty of opportunities for unaccredited degrees to be accepted in the workplace by
employers who don't know or don't care. So there.
Macken
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as well as multiple choice. There is also a doctoral (essay)
exam at the end of the program.
While a course can be completed in 3-4 weeks, a more
meaningful rate of progress would be at least 6-8 weeks per
course. (Speedy exam completion should not be one's only
objective). At a rate of 6-8 weeks per course, a student with
little or no transfer credit would take an appreciable amount of
time to complete the program.
As for myself, I withdrew early from the CCU program because
it turned out that I needed an RA degree. But if a California
approved degree is all that is needed, CCU will suffice.
Macken