Preist & Laymen #2
rib...@hotmail.com
is pepole who have a fear of someone who they think holds a place above them
with a powerfull weilding hand of the law. The second are people who look at
a Preist as a person who devotes his life so the rest of us may do our part
in the everyday world. When I here pepole state that their readings of the
Gosho's is more inportant than the words of the High Preist whos life is the
Lotus Sutra along with the Gosho's. I think of Nichiren refuting the fuddel
goverment of Japan he braced all his replies upon the Lotus Sutra and did not
worry about his life, a preist will do this where a Lay Person must think
about his family before he speaks. Nichiren states you should never let your
faith falter in face of persecution for fear of your life. Nichiren dose
state do not bring up your faith to your master (boss) for to show him his
missgivings would be a mistake and reduce the favors he has shown to you. If
your master should ask though set tell him to the best of your ability
showing him respect. we laymen have the same chance to reach enlightment as
The Head Preist, but I bevive if we feel we are eaqual to him then we should
give up are lives as we live it now and enter the preisthood. As for how much
importance we should place upon the Gosho's. That depends upon how you look
at them. These are leters certin pepole who had helped Nichiren durring hard
times proving how strong their faith to him was, or letters to high Goverment
folks. In all of these letters he explains how to reach enlightment in the
here and now using the teachings of the Lotus Sutra and the true law of cause
and effect, he dosent say worship me as a god. I feel the lack of a bunch of
letters to Preist is due to the fact they had the ability to talk to Nichiren
in Person, allso the Preist used the Lotus Sutra to help people reach
enlightment not letters form Nichiren himself. Nichren Shoshu Places a lot of
importance on the Gosho's. I belive though the truth lies within the depth of
the Lotus Sutra, I will use the guidance from the Head Tempple along with my
own reading to help me to lead all people to enlightment most of all I will
Chant Nam-myoho-renge-kyo till this boddy gives up it's last breath and then
I will chant allong with all the buddhas of the four directions for all of
you. I feel some of this may be hard to grasp be free to reply I wll do my
best to state anything over so it may be eazyer to grasp.
RIBBITT~-~-~-~->
Charles D.
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Craig Bratcher
>Article 17 of his 26 Admonitions
>has always been: "Do not follow even the High Priest if he goes against the
>Buddha's Law and propounds his own views." But since 1991 Nikken has insisted
>that it is: "Even the Head Priest of the time must not use a person who sets
>forth his own doctrines which deviate from Buddhism." (NS Monthly, May 1995,p.16
---------------------------------------
Response:
But Jim can't read a lick of Japanese, so he has to have Daisaku
and company tell him what it says. Mike Bowman, who DOES
understand Japanese covered this years ago. >>>>>
Re: MIKE B. FAILS TO EXPLAIN-DODGES ISSUE
From: wt...@ix.netcom.com(Michael Bowman)
Date: 1996/10/13
Message-Id: <53q4q1$c...@sjx-ixn6.ix.netcom.com>
...
Like I said, I can't post Japanese characters here, and even if I could
and your server could render them to you in a readable manner, it
wouldn't mean much, since I assume you can't read Japanese.
That said, here's the breakdown in Romaji, English letters, as gleaned
from the now obsolete Gosho Zenshu, which I assume you follow.
Toki no (of the time) kanzu (head priest) nari (become) to iedomo
(although) [Though he becomes the head priest of the time] Buppo
(Buddhism) no soui shite (differs from) kogi (selfish doctrine) wo
kamaeba (sets forth) [should someone set forth a selfish doctrine which
differs from Buddhism] kore (this person) wo yuu bekarazaru koto (must
not be used).
Someone out there may very well argue that "kore" is usually rendered
as simply "this," but my Iwanami published "Kogo Jiten" ("Dictionary of
Ancient Language") renders "kore" as, among other things, "this
person."
In other words, Though he be the Head Priest of the time, he is not to
use someone who sets forth a selfish doctrine which differs from
Buddhism.
Hope this answers your questions.
Mike
-------------------------------------
Clearly it is the Daisaku sect who is trying to change the way things are
and have been for 750 years.
Craig
ACTIVITES OF THE SOKA GAKKAI
THE BASICS OF BUDDHIST STUDY
Soka Gakkai Seikyo Times
August, 1979 No. 218
Pages 16-17
The Lay Organization of Nichiren Shoshu
The entirety of Nichiren Daishonin's Buddhism
was correctly inherited solely by Nikko Shonin.
Since then up until the present day, for seven
centuries, the pure lineage of true Buddhism has
been maintained through the successive high
priests of the Nichiren Shoshu Head Temple,
Taiseki-ji, just as water from one glass is trans-
ferred in its entirety into another. The Soka
Gakkai, which is the lay organization of Nichiren
Shoshu, has promoted the movement for kosen-rufu
which Nichiren Daishonin willed that his followers
attain.
I have repeatedly emphasized the importance of
harmony between the clergy and the laity. It
is my firm belief that we can never achieve
k6sen-rufi~ without it. Therefore, let us confirm
that the Soka Gakkai's eternal guiding principle
is to protect, support and advance hand in hand
with the Nichiren Shoshu priesthood. Not only
within our Buddhist circles, but in society as a
whole, the greatest challenges lie in the ques-
tions of how to harmonize forces of tradition
and modernization, history and progress, as
well as standards and social development.
Development without norms, progress without
respect for tradition are all rooted shallowly
and cannot last. Therefore, in promoting
Nichiren Daishonin's Buddhism with respect to
our time, in our society and throughout the
world, we must resolve to advance our activities
with full consideration of the traditions of
Nichiren Shoshu and the orthodoxy of its
doctrine.
In order to realize this spirit of Nichiren Dai-
shonin, the Soka Gakkai observes the doctrines
of Nichiren Shoshu and carries on a religious
movement for the salvation of mankind. The
essential meaning of Buddhism lies in solving
fundamental human sufferings of birth, old age,
sickness and death, which can never be dealt with
through such external approaches as politics,
economics or college education.
Jim Cub 3D
To wit:
>
>Jim Celer says:
>>Article 17 of his 26 Admonitions
>>has always been: "Do not follow even the High Priest if he goes against the
>>Buddha's Law and propounds his own views."
...followed by Nikken's new translation.
He then goes on to post Nikken's new translation:
>
> Re: MIKE B. FAILS TO EXPLAIN-DODGES ISSUE
>From: wt...@ix.netcom.com(Michael Bowman)
>Date: 1996/10/13
>Message-Id: <53q4q1$c...@sjx-ixn6.ix.netcom.com>
>...
>Like I said, I can't post Japanese characters here, and even if I could
>and your server could render them to you in a readable manner, it
>wouldn't mean much, since I assume you can't read Japanese.
>
>That said, here's the breakdown in Romaji, English letters, as gleaned
>from the now obsolete Gosho Zenshu, which I assume you follow.
>
>Toki no (of the time) kanzu (head priest) nari (become) to iedomo
>(although) [Though he becomes the head priest of the time] Buppo
>(Buddhism) no soui shite (differs from) kogi (selfish doctrine) wo
>kamaeba (sets forth) [should someone set forth a selfish doctrine which
>differs from Buddhism] kore (this person) wo yuu bekarazaru koto (must
>not be used).
>
>Someone out there may very well argue that "kore" is usually rendered
>as simply "this," but my Iwanami published "Kogo Jiten" ("Dictionary of
>Ancient Language") renders "kore" as, among other things, "this
>person."
>
>In other words, Though he be the Head Priest of the time, he is not to
>use someone who sets forth a selfish doctrine which differs from
>Buddhism.
Or, more correctly and as it had been rendered at least from the time I joined
(1972) until Nikken found it ionconvenient:
"Though he be head priest at the time, should this person set forth a selfish
doctrine which departs from Buddhism, he is not to be followed."
I wish "Nichiren" Shoshu would get a grip. Stop trying to make this anything
more than what it is -- Nikken didn't like what Nikko actually wrote, so he's
having the 26 admonitions redone. It's obvious to everyone, totally
transparent, and well beyond rationalizing. Just admit it -- no one could
think less of Nikken than they already do, and a dollop of honesty would from
you guys would be a welcome change of pace.
Jim
Visit <bekkoame.or.jp/~bone>
Luap5150
>I wish "Nichiren" Shoshu would get a grip. Stop trying to make this anything
>more than what it is -- Nikken didn't like what
Nikko actually wrote, so he's
>having the 26 admonitions redone. It's obvious to everyone, totally
>transparent, and well beyond rationalizing. Just admit it -- no one could
>think less of Nikken than they already do, and a dollop of honesty would from
>you guys would be a welcome change of pace.
Well, the problem is that these members are just a reflection of Nikken's own
dark and arrogant life condition. Look at how negative UKPaul is, even after
"seeing" the DaiGohonzon. Obviously, the DaiGohonzon won't work for those
without faith such as Nikken's followers. They are incapable of telling the
truth, admitting mistakes and endlessly distort doctrine to suit their own
cult.
Most noticeably, all of their experieces slander SGI and SGI members. They
can't survive as Hokkeko members without this kind of onshitsu since it is also
a reflection of Nikken's fierce onshitsu toward Sensei and SGI. And when
Nikken goes, they will join Nshu before rejoining the Daishonin's Buddhism.
Paul W
Nezumi Kozo
>Well, the problem is that these members are just a reflection of Nikken's own
>dark and arrogant life condition. Look at how negative UKPaul is, even after
>"seeing" the DaiGohonzon. Obviously, the DaiGohonzon won't work for those
>without faith such as Nikken's followers.
>Paul W
Speaking nonsense again Paul, here's my experience.
My wife and I have been trying for over a year for a baby, even though
she doesn't practice, my wife asked me to chant to the Daigohonzon for
us to bring a new life into this world.
During Gokaihi I was doing Shodai to the Daigohonzon, when all of a
sudden I felt a thud in my back. I turned round to see that a tiny
baby had crawled over and bashed into me. I became overjoyed - knowing
that we would now be able to have a baby.
My wife returned from her holiday this morning - she had been
holidaying in Greece while I was in Japan. She performed a pregnancy
test this morning and we were both overjoyed to find out that she is
now expecting.
My experiences in faith are nothing that you can judge with your
narrow minded political agenda. Nichiren Shoshu members throughout the
world are enjoying rich wonderful experiences in faith that surpass
any of your petty baiting and hatred. We are far above that.
Good Luck
Paul
Jim Cub 3D
>My wife returned from her holiday this morning - she had been
>holidaying in Greece while I was in Japan. She performed a pregnancy
>test this morning and we were both overjoyed to find out that she is
>now expecting.
It's a hanging curve on a 3 - 0 pitch. Somebody please flash the take
sign!!!!!!
(Just joking, of course, Congratulations - there is no more wonderful
experience in life, at least until he/she becomes a teenager).
Jim
Visit <bekkoame.or.jp/~bone>
Kenneth Burchell
(Nezumi Kozo) wrote:
> On 31 Aug 1998 14:54:17 GMT, luap...@aol.com (Luap5150) wrote:
>
>
> >Well, the problem is that these members are just a reflection of Nikken's own
> >dark and arrogant life condition. Look at how negative UKPaul is, even after
> >"seeing" the DaiGohonzon. Obviously, the DaiGohonzon won't work for those
> >without faith such as Nikken's followers.
>
> >Paul W
>
> Speaking nonsense again Paul, here's my experience.
>
> My wife and I have been trying for over a year for a baby, even though
> she doesn't practice, my wife asked me to chant to the Daigohonzon for
> us to bring a new life into this world.
>
> During Gokaihi I was doing Shodai to the Daigohonzon, when all of a
> sudden I felt a thud in my back. I turned round to see that a tiny
> baby had crawled over and bashed into me. I became overjoyed - knowing
> that we would now be able to have a baby.
>
> My wife returned from her holiday this morning - she had been
> holidaying in Greece while I was in Japan. She performed a pregnancy
> test this morning and we were both overjoyed to find out that she is
> now expecting.
>
> My experiences in faith are nothing that you can judge with your
> narrow minded political agenda. Nichiren Shoshu members throughout the
> world are enjoying rich wonderful experiences in faith that surpass
> any of your petty baiting and hatred. We are far above that.
>
> Good Luck
>
> Paul
Congratulations, Paul.
You're right about Luap's pechant for making rediculously broad
pronouncments and pontifications about OTHER people's lives.
I've said it before and I'll say it again:
LUAP, I'll put my gohonzon, life, good fortune and achievments up against
yours any time you have the courage to try.
lio...@my-dejanews.com
months study of the 26 admonitions. And you have provided the Admonition of
the Day!
> Jim Celer says:
> >Article 17 of his 26 Admonitions
> >has always been: "Do not follow even the High Priest if he goes against the
> >Buddha's Law and propounds his own views." But since 1991 Nikken has insisted
> >that it is: "Even the Head Priest of the time must not use a person who sets
> >forth his own doctrines which deviate from Buddhism." (NS Monthly, May 1995,p.16
> ---------------------------------------
>
> Response:
> But Jim can't read a lick of Japanese,.... Mike Bowman, who DOES
> understand Japanese covered this years ago. >>>>>
>> That said, here's the breakdown in Romaji, English letters, as gleaned
> from the now obsolete Gosho Zenshu, which I assume you follow.
>
> Toki no (of the time) kanzu (head priest) nari (become) to iedomo
> (although) [Though he becomes the head priest of the time] Buppo
> (Buddhism) no soui shite (differs from) kogi (selfish doctrine) wo
> kamaeba (sets forth) [should someone set forth a selfish doctrine which
> differs from Buddhism] kore (this person) wo yuu bekarazaru koto (must
> not be used).
>
> Someone out there may very well argue that "kore" is usually rendered
> as simply "this," but my Iwanami published "Kogo Jiten" ("Dictionary of
> Ancient Language") renders "kore" as, among other things, "this
> person."
>
"Toki no Kanzu, nari to iedomo.
Though he be head priest of the time,
Buppo no soui shite kogi wo kamaeba kore wo yuu bekarazaru koto!"
If his teachings differ from Buddhism with a selfish doctrine set forth
this person should not be used (followed as an example, followed, listened to)
In other words, the original translation is even stricter. "Selfish
Doctrines" that differ from Buddhism- from the Daishonin's teachings, should
not be followed! Self serving doctrines, like the idea that an institutional
power conveys legitimacy on it's arbitrary execution. Like the idea that you
can excommunicate 10 million persons because they disagree with you? That
you don't have to listen to any legitimate criticism or improve yourself
simply because of your position as chief administrator! Cloaking political
fears in charges of "doctrinal deviation!"
Politics!!!!!
Here is another quote we all need to remember;
Ware Narabi ni! Waga Deshi!
Shonan Aritomo!
> -------------------------------------
>
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Kenneth Burchell
luap...@aol.com (Luap5150) wrote:
> Jim says:
>
> >I wish "Nichiren" Shoshu would get a grip. Stop trying to make this anything
> >more than what it is -- Nikken didn't like what
> Nikko actually wrote, so he's
> >having the 26 admonitions redone. It's obvious to everyone, totally
> >transparent, and well beyond rationalizing. Just admit it -- no one could
> >think less of Nikken than they already do, and a dollop of honesty would from
> >you guys would be a welcome change of pace.
>
> Well, the problem is that these members are just a reflection of Nikken's own
> dark and arrogant life condition. Look at how negative UKPaul is, even after
> "seeing" the DaiGohonzon. Obviously, the DaiGohonzon won't work for those
> without faith such as Nikken's followers. They are incapable of telling the
> truth, admitting mistakes and endlessly distort doctrine to suit their own
> cult.
>
> Most noticeably, all of their experieces slander SGI and SGI members. They
> can't survive as Hokkeko members without this kind of onshitsu since it
is also
> a reflection of Nikken's fierce onshitsu toward Sensei and SGI. And when
> Nikken goes, they will join Nshu before rejoining the Daishonin's Buddhism.
>
> Paul W
More pontificating by the arbn's foremost pissmaster and bluff-monster.
Lap, I'll put my gohonzon, life, good fortune and achievments up against
yours any time you have the courage.
Kath...@yahoo.com
ke...@nimrod.nidlink.com (Kenneth Burchell) wrote:
> You're right about Luap's pechant for making rediculously broad
> pronouncments and pontifications about OTHER people's lives.
Oh, he's just speaking from what he sees here on arbn. Judging by that, you
folks ARE obsessed with bashing SGI and precious little else.
I hope that your "Internet faces" are not the same as your real lives, though.
Hopefully not.
Kathy
Swank23
>
>In article <kenb-31089...@pm3d2-15.nidlink.com>,
> ke...@nimrod.nidlink.com (Kenneth Burchell) wrote:
>> You're right about Luap's pechant for making rediculously broad
>> pronouncments and pontifications about OTHER people's lives.
>
>
>Oh, he's just speaking from what he sees here on arbn. Judging by that,
>you
>folks ARE obsessed with bashing SGI and precious little else.
>
>I hope that your "Internet faces" are not the same as your real lives,
>though.
>Hopefully not.
>
>Kathy
So whom among us on this ng HASN'T made some knee-jerk, heat-of-the-moment,
passionate response to some perceived slander or outrage here? I can safely say
I've done more than my share. Anybody else who makes a claim of some kind of 99
44/100% "purity" when it comes to posting here is deluding not only those who
read this ng, but theirselves as well.
And then there's Daisaku. He isn't always right, but he's never wrong, eh?
T.
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arbn: "Where The Fun Never Stops!"
Rogowdoc
Tim, you write:
>>>>>And then there's Daisaku. He isn't always right, but he's never wrong,
eh?>>>>>
Reminds me of Nikken too.
Mark
Jim Cub 3D
>
>Here is another quote we all need to remember;
>
>Ware Narabi ni! Waga Deshi!
>Shonan Aritomo!
Thank you for the reminder. In 1973, Mr. Williams had 3000 of us rise up
before the Dai Gohonzon and recite this Kaimoku Sho passage -- were you there?
(not sure of the spelling any more)
Utugao wo kokoro nakuba jinen-ni bukkai-ni utarubeshi.......
And I haven't!
Jim
Visit <bekkoame.or.jp/~bone>
~LD
fact, now that you bring it up monsieur, what about monk Nikken? Why is
he "never wrong" according to the "Administrative" offices of NST? Why
is monk Nikken allowed to be cloaked in NST's authority, that he is
"absolute" on not only "NST" doctrines but on secular matters as well?
This is beyond being an expert in a given field; this is beyond being
deemed an authority on a specific matter. Mon dieu! It is proclaiming
himself to be the Creator. But monk Nikken already believes and
declares himself to be a Superior Being to all others, no? That he is
somehow divine and therefore entitled to sin? Does this not contradict
the fundamental premise of "Nichiren Daishonin's " Buddhism? Why do the
monks proclaim themselves to be Superior Beings to all others, to
non-monks? What gives them the right? I should like to know.
In fact they (the monks, their Supreme -Being-ness) should have no
more civil rights then the rest of us, correct? Are not their
Supreme-Being-nesses supposed to be at the forefront of propagation and
protecting Buddhist practioners as in the "Atushara Persecution" as
someone posted earlier? Monks are specifically given as examples to
take the "brunt" of persecutions. What makes this principle different
now? I should like to know.
For instance, why is it that non-monks, such as yourself, such as
"Craig Bratcher" & Company, "Kurt Triffet", "John Ayres", "Donna Ray
Okumura" ("MOMO"), "Kenneth Burchell", etc. are diligently posting on
this newsgroup, arbn, while their Supreme-Beingnesses whose orders you
follow and whom you defend are fanning themselves and sipping Vodkas in
their tub? Why are not any of the monks on arbn? Why do they not post
their own contradictory, error-filled, and unedited sermons themselves?
Do you not see that the monks have you non-monks take the blame, the
criticisms, and the scorn for their and no one else's errors,
self-serving falsehoods, and vilifying tactics against a well-acclaimed
lay organization, the "SGI?" All for what? To satisfy their sense of
Supreme-Being-ness and financial motives.
~ Lady_D...@rocketmail.com
Luap5150
>My experiences in faith are nothing that you can judge with your
>narrow minded political agenda. Nichiren Shoshu members throughout the
>world are enjoying rich wonderful experiences in faith that surpass
>any of your petty baiting and hatred. We are far above tha
Well it's odd that you have so much actual proof but never talk about your
experiences. I wonder what that child would think of her father's use of
falsehood and obscenity to attack his former comerades in faith? Will that kid
be a KHS member when she's older? It's unlikely the Nikken sect can perpetuate
itself that long.
Paul W
Nezumi Kozo
Hey Jimbo what about this one :
"Hawaii! Maharoo! Maharoo! Baka-yarouu! Bahharoo!" Daisaku Ikeda
perhaps your japanese friend can translate that for us -
p
ps. my friend has this on video
Nezumi Kozo
Finding out that I am to be a father for the first time was one of the
most pure and joyous moments of my life. I won't you sully that
preciousness for me.
You feel a warped justification in using my unborn child as part of
an attack against me. You are a disgusting creep Paul. Now everyone
can see that. Would any other Gakkai members care to comment ?
p
Mr T
(Nezumi Kozo) wrote:
What's even scarier is that he's an SGI leader who gives people advice on faith.
--
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lio...@my-dejanews.com
ipcr...@hotmail.com (Nezumi Kozo) wrote:
> On 2 Sep 1998 20:11:55 GMT, luap...@aol.com (Luap5150) wrote:
>
> >UKPaul says:
> >
> >>My experiences in faith are nothing that you can judge with your
> >>narrow minded political agenda. Nichiren Shoshu members throughout the
> >>world are enjoying rich wonderful experiences in faith that surpass
> >>any of your petty baiting and hatred. We are far above tha
> >
> >Well it's odd that you have so much actual proof but never talk about your
> >experiences. I wonder what that child would think of her father's use of
> >falsehood and obscenity to attack his former comerades in faith? Will that kid
> >be a KHS member when she's older? It's unlikely the Nikken sect can perpetuate
> >itself that long.
> >
> >Paul W
>
> Finding out that I am to be a father for the first time was one of the
> most pure and joyous moments of my life. I won't you sully that
> preciousness for me.
>
> You feel a warped justification in using my unborn child as part of
> an attack against me. You are a disgusting creep Paul. Now everyone
> can see that. Would any other Gakkai members care to comment ?
>
> p
>
I think he was trying to appeal to your better nature. If you take it as an
attack, then so be it.
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Craig Bratcher
They only see what they wish to see
They follow sensei's every whimsical wish
Of course they can never do anything wrong
With the brass band blaring a grotesque song
They say we all must follow their charter,
But they don't have to because they are special
When the orders come down from Daisaku the farter
They heap huge piles of dung to offer in his vessel
They burn it in his honor as if it were sandalwood
-------------------------------------
"Those that donate, and bitch about it,
are just monkeys, and can kiss my ass."
Rick Hukkenen, SGI member
"Even a photograph embodies the spiritual nature of the Buddha. When in
doubt, inshrine it."
Rick Hukkanen
"I think that the SGI's reproduction of the Nichikan Gohonzon is very appropriate.
If Nichikan were alive today, he would severely reprimand Nikken. Possibly
slap the shit out of him for being such an arrogant asshole like some of the
NST members here."
Rick Hukkenen
"If I had my way, i'd erase this shitty newsgroup from cyberspace forever."
Rick Hukkenen
"Using a provisional teaching to explain the Lotus Sutra is like trading gold for shit."
Rick Hukkanen
After several years reflection on this subject, It doesn't matter one
bit to ME, what happens in sho shoe. WE'RE NEVER COMMING BACK!
(yes, we are BETTER than you are), so screw you, screw nikken, and
screw your temples that WE paid for (I hope you tear them ALL down in
nikken's silly tantruming).
Rick Hukkenen
I think that the SGI's reproduction of the Nichikan Gohonzon is very appropriate.
If Nichikan were alive today, he would severely reprimand Nikken. Possibly
slap the shit out of him for being such an arrogant asshole like some of the
NST members here. These NST folks will follow Nikken into suffering in
their future existences.
Rick Hukkenen
You can have your high priest and all the other stuff that goes with it.
I don't really give a shit. I'm GLAD that you NST guys are not SGI members.
Rick Hukkanen
rribb...@hotmail.com
> To wit:
>
> >
> >>Article 17 of his 26 Admonitions
> >>has always been: "Do not follow even the High Priest if he goes against the
> >>Buddha's Law and propounds his own views."
>
>
> He then goes on to post Nikken's new translation:
>
> >
> > Re: MIKE B. FAILS TO EXPLAIN-DODGES ISSUE
> >From: wt...@ix.netcom.com(Michael Bowman)
> >Date: 1996/10/13
> >Message-Id: <53q4q1$c...@sjx-ixn6.ix.netcom.com>
> >...
> >Like I said, I can't post Japanese characters here, and even if I could
> >and your server could render them to you in a readable manner, it
> >wouldn't mean much, since I assume you can't read Japanese.
> >
> >from the now obsolete Gosho Zenshu, which I assume you follow.
> >
> >Toki no (of the time) kanzu (head priest) nari (become) to iedomo
> >(although) [Though he becomes the head priest of the time] Buppo
> >(Buddhism) no soui shite (differs from) kogi (selfish doctrine) wo
> >kamaeba (sets forth) [should someone set forth a selfish doctrine which
> >differs from Buddhism] kore (this person) wo yuu bekarazaru koto (must
> >not be used).
> >
> >Someone out there may very well argue that "kore" is usually rendered
> >as simply "this," but my Iwanami published "Kogo Jiten" ("Dictionary of
> >Ancient Language") renders "kore" as, among other things, "this
> >person."
> >
> >Buddhism.
You mean like saying that Nichiern's rules for seting up the homon no kadian
is just a formality? or was Idekada given some secret understanding of what
Nichiren wanted?
>
> Or, more correctly and as it had been rendered at least from the time I joined
> (1972) until Nikken found it ionconvenient:
>
> "Though he be head priest at the time, should this person set forth a selfish
> doctrine which departs from Buddhism, he is not to be followed."
>
> I wish "Nichiren" Shoshu would get a grip. Stop trying to make this anything
> more than what it is -- Nikken didn't like what Nikko actually wrote, so he's
> having the 26 admonitions redone.
Yawn! lets see No change from the Temple. As I see it Only the words of a few
people who are still trying to put support under their faltering Ideas of
What is Buddhism.
>It's obvious to everyone, totally
> transparent, and well beyond rationalizing. Just admit it -- no one could
> think less of Nikken than they already do, and a dollop of honesty would from
> you guys would be a welcome change of pace.
> Jim
Once again you have tried to make people belive that a you have a bridge for
sale! Sorry I'm not intersted in Buying a photo for $500.00. I've reposted
the rest of Craigs post it is a letter forom the SGI to all members.
-------------------------------------------------- ACTIVITES OF THE SOKA
GAKKAI THE BASICS OF BUDDHIST STUDY Soka Gakkai Seikyo Times August, 1979 No.
218 Pages 16-17
The Lay Organization of Nichiren Shoshu The entirety of Nichiren Daishonin's
Buddhism was correctly inherited solely by Nikko Shonin. Since then up until
the present day, for seven centuries, the pure lineage of true Buddhism has
been maintained through the successive high priests of the Nichiren Shoshu
Head Temple, Taiseki-ji, just as water from one glass is trans- ferred in its
entirety into another. The Soka Gakkai, which is the lay organization of
Nichiren Shoshu, has promoted the movement for kosen-rufu which Nichiren
Daishonin willed that his followers attain. I have repeatedly emphasized the
importance of harmony between the clergy and the laity. It is my firm belief
that we can never achieve kosen-rufu~ without it. Therefore, let us confirm
that the Soka Gakkai's eternal guiding principle is to protect, support and
advance hand in hand with the Nichiren Shoshu priesthood. Not only within our
Buddhist circles, but in society as a whole, the greatest challenges lie in
the questions of how to harmonize forces of tradition and modernization,
history and progress, as well as standards and social development.
Development without norms, progress without respect for tradition are all
rooted shallowly and cannot last. Therefore, in promoting Nichiren
Daishonin's Buddhism with respect to our time, in our society and throughout
the world, we must resolve to advance our activities with full consideration
of the traditions of Nichiren Shoshu and the orthodoxy of its doctrine. In
order to realize this spirit of Nichiren Dai-Shonin, the Soka Gakkai observes
the doctrines of Nichiren Shoshu and carries on a religious movement for the
salvation of mankind. The essential meaning of Buddhism lies in solving
fundamental human sufferings of birth, old age, sickness and death, which can
never be dealt with through such external approaches as politics, economics
or college education.
RRIBBITT~-~-~-~->
Charles D.
http://ww2.netitco.net/users/jqpublic/lectures.1html
http://www.primenet.com/~martman/
ns.html
MOMO
All my best and lots of Daimoku for an easy pregnancy
for her and a healthy baby.
Take care,
Momo
Nezumi Kozo wrote:
>Speaking nonsense again Paul, here's my experience.
My wife and I have been trying for over a year for a baby, even though
she doesn't practice, my wife asked me to chant to the Daigohonzon for
us to bring a new life into this world.
During Gokaihi I was doing Shodai to the Daigohonzon, when all of a
sudden I felt a thud in my back. I turned round to see that a tiny
baby had crawled over and bashed into me. I became overjoyed - knowing
that we would now be able to have a baby.
My wife returned from her holiday this morning - she had been
holidaying in Greece while I was in Japan. She performed a pregnancy
test this morning and we were both overjoyed to find out that she is
now expecting.
My experiences in faith are nothing that you can judge with your
narrow minded political agenda. Nichiren Shoshu members throughout the
world are enjoying rich wonderful experiences in faith that surpass
any of your petty baiting and hatred. We are far above that.
Good Luck
Paul<
MOMO
world (and into the lives of parents who will cherish him/her)
thereby making it a better place, you show only your hatred
towards a perceived(in your mind) enemy.
As for actual proof, the greatest proof we have is inconspicuous--
enlightenment. If you truly read and understood anything The
Daishonin wrote, you might have a smidgen of understanding
of what Nichiren Daishonin's advent is all about.
Fusing with a false object of worship keeps your life in
fundamental darkness. Misquoting one of your fellow worshippers---
'Time to think about what you're doing in the Ikeda sect.'
take care,
momo
__________________________
Example of Luap's devotion to his master and *actual proof*
of worship to an SS honzon below:
Luap5150 wrote:
Nezumi Kozo
wrote:
>How wonderful for you and the Mrs.!!!
>
>All my best and lots of Daimoku for an easy pregnancy
>for her and a healthy baby.
>
>Take care,
>Momo
Thanks Momo - we're due in April..
p
Fred S. Wolff
Paul:
My very best wishes to you and your wife! Congratulations! My wife and
I tried for five years and last year we were blessed with our son Erik.
This week we celebrate his 1st birthday!
I only wish for you and your wife the happiness Erik has brought into
our lives.
Again, congratulations!
With Gassho,
Fred
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paul
>
> Nezumi Kozo wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 7 Sep 1998 00:53:43 -0700, "MOMO" <RAY-...@prodigy.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >How wonderful for you and the Mrs.!!!
> > >
> > >All my best and lots of Daimoku for an easy pregnancy
> > >for her and a healthy baby.
> > >
> > >Take care,
> > >Momo
> >
> > Thanks Momo - we're due in April..
> >
> > p
>
> Paul:
>
> My very best wishes to you and your wife! Congratulations! My wife and
> I tried for five years and last year we were blessed with our son Erik.
> This week we celebrate his 1st birthday!
>
> I only wish for you and your wife the happiness Erik has brought into
> our lives.
>
> Again, congratulations!
>
> With Gassho,
>
> Fred
Thanks Fred - and congratulations to you too.
Now I just have to shakubuku my wife...(she's promised to do
Daimoku for the baby's health - so hopefully that commitment will
grow..)
P
TRuby2b
Dr. Hepburn is the foremost translator of Japanese into English. His system
(the Hepburn system) is the standard for pronouncing Japanese using the English
alphabet. According to him "deshi" means pupil, scholar, disciple or learner.
He does not translate this word as "priest", though a priest or a layperson
could fit these definitions.
Deshi is composed of two main Chinese characters. On the left is a thread
wound around a spool. On the right is a child wrapped in swaddling. The
threaded spool represents books or learning. (Thread is used in "kyo" meaning
"sutra" and the "Dai" of "Hoben pon. Dai ni" means chapter or section of a
book.) By extension "deshi" means "child of learning." Such a person could be
a priest, but not necessarily.
The word "danna" in Chinese is composed of main two characters. On the left is
a tree next to a grainery, which is visible at the break of day. A grainery
that is visible at the break of day (for all to see) means "honesty",
"trustworthy" and "sincere." The tree plus the grainery means "Buddhist", or
"sandal wood". On the right is a phonetic that makes the sound "na." Its
meaning in Chinese is not helpful. (It means "this", "that", "who"," what", or
"where.")
The term "danna" refers to laypersons because they practice Buddhism honestly,
and sincerely (not for money.) To priests, Buddhism is a livelihood, a job.
Sincerity and honesty are not required.
Deshi danna, y'all,
Terry
holte...@my-dejanews.com
"MOMO" <RAY-...@prodigy.net> wrote:
> Instead of feeling joy that a new life will be brought into this
> world (and into the lives of parents who will cherish him/her)
> thereby making it a better place, you show only your hatred
> towards a perceived(in your mind) enemy.
>
> As for actual proof, the greatest proof we have is inconspicuous--
> enlightenment. If you truly read and understood anything The
> Daishonin wrote, you might have a smidgen of understanding
> of what Nichiren Daishonin's advent is all about.
>
> Fusing with a false object of worship keeps your life in
> fundamental darkness. Misquoting one of your fellow worshippers---
> 'Time to think about what you're doing in the Ikeda sect.'
>
> take care,
> momo
End this War for them!
I think you are reading dark feelings
into someones words meant as warning.
Something hurt you and you are fighting
feeling all around you enemies swarming
You seem to see only hate
where hate is not intended
You spurn the invite to reason,
see as attacking you,
what is meant as defended.
All around enemies on the march,
calling down lightining,
calling down thunder,
but no one meant as such,
to cause this thing that is called murder.
They wish only someone to speed
to resolve the deep and hurtful gap.
And so guns raised, angry shouts,
the bullets fly across the field,
someone yet will have to yield,
crumpled dead upon the ground.
But no resolution is forthcoming
to the mother distantly wailing.
And the sons of sons plot their revenge
on the sons of murderors, sons of murdered.
We love each other too much to yield,
the course of flags upon the field.
We fear defeat we fear loss of self,
and we feel anger at some long ago bad deed.
And we all have descended into hell,
if we fail to prevent the war,
to resolve the questions that plague our hearts,
and sew discord between us.
I would see your children grow up happy and strong!
Not thinking anyone had done any wrong!
To never even hear of this strange conflict,
that threatens to destroy the course of peace.
That sets seeker into darkness,
and darkness into where there before had been light!
I would see your child have no dark questions!
No remonstrations, no regrets.
I would see my children be the same way!
And some day be able to say,
He fought for peace my dad!
He fought to teach a better way!
But I fear, and yes I pray.
I fear our failure is bringing disaster
to all the world,
where children play in garbage dumps,
and pick the leavings upon the field.
Where Hospitals are shut, and stores are clothed,
and suddenly those who had such hope,
have their hopes dashed and their dreams crushed,
while we sit here in verbal wars,
possessing the means to save them.
Chris
> __________________________
> Example of Luap's devotion to his master and *actual proof*
> of worship to an SS honzon below:
>
> Luap5150 wrote:
> >UKPaul says:
> >
> >Well it's odd that you have so much actual proof but never talk about your
> >experiences. I wonder what that child would think of her father's use of
> >falsehood and obscenity to attack his former comerades in faith? Will that kid
> >be a KHS member when she's older? It's unlikely the Nikken sect can perpetuate
> >itself that long.
> >
> >Paul W
>
>
--
Read the Gosho for yourself
Gosho can be found at:
http://www2.huskynet.com/wkallander/
Fred S. Wolff
> Thanks Fred - and congratulations to you too.
Thank you so much!
> Now I just have to shakubuku my wife...(she's promised to do
> Daimoku for the baby's health - so hopefully that commitment will
> grow..)
I have tried to shakubuku my wife....with disastrous results....I just keep
chanting that she will come around... :-) Hope you have infinitely more
success! :-)
Best wishes,
Fred