Monosodium Glutamate (MSG) found in many "Kosher" foods is made of PORK!
musashimarufan
a startling discovery. They uncovered the fact that a pork-based
enzyme was being used in the production of MSG. This has led to
rioting, closing down the Ajinomoto plant and the arrest and
subsequent release of three Ajinomoto executives.
The previously undisclosed use of a pork-based enzyme in the
production of Monosodium Glutamate (MSG) and the labeling of foods
containing MSG for Arab markets as "halal" by the Japanese firm PT
Ajinomoto, essentially assuring the consumer that pork was not used in
the production, is at the center of the controversy.
...the National Organization Mobilized to Stop Glutamate (NoMSG) find
the recent arrests and rioting in Indonesia predictable. The use of
pork-based ingredients in the production of MSG has been known for
years and often commented on by NoMSG with much careful alliteration
to the contrary by members of the Glutamate Association, which has
elements that represent Anjinomoto PT interests. Many foods packaged
in the United States with labeling, or rather mislabeling, stating
"kosher" and "halal" include MSG and has been part of the discourse
provided by NoMSG with regard to much of the labeling issues over the
past decade.
With the Ajinomoto stock plummeting, we believe that much damage
control of the tarnished image of Ajinomoto and MSG is hastily being
thrown together and expect to see an increase in pro-MSG information
in the future. We will keep our members apprised of any important
developments."
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: "On January 10, 2001, the Muslim population of Jakarta, Indonesia made
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I have seen this before and have seen responses from kosher authorities.
Of course,I am no posek (halachic decisor) but an just passing on
information I heard for what it's worth. MSG is kosher. It has something
to do with there being none of the medium in the final product. It struck
me as weird that this was so. It reminds me of a recent discussion about
cane sugar refining which used aanimal bones as a filter. A kosherly
knowledgeable person cited kosher authorities that none of the bone is in
the sugar and the sugar is kosher.
It just goes to show you that this is a far more complicated business than
we all thought when we were taught in Hebrew school
Wendy Baker
Debbie Deutsch
<9gqd36$bef$1...@news.panix.com>:
[SNIP]
> Of course,I am no posek (halachic decisor) but an just passing on
>information I heard for what it's worth. MSG is kosher. It has
>something to do with there being none of the medium in the final
>product. It struck me as weird that this was so. It reminds me of a
>recent discussion about cane sugar refining which used aanimal bones as
>a filter. A kosherly knowledgeable person cited kosher authorities that
>none of the bone is in the sugar and the sugar is kosher.
>
>It just goes to show you that this is a far more complicated business
>than we all thought when we were taught in Hebrew school
>
[SNIP]
This observation brings to mind the recent discussion of maple syrup. It
seemed to say that using pork fat to stop foaming would mean that the
resulting syrup isn't kosher. How is this different from the manufacture
of MSG using pork products? It would not be difficult to remove all traces
of pork fat from the syrup...
Debbie
musashimarufan
MSG sites below....Most neuroscientists agree that MSG causes
migraines, increases appatite, and may impaires learning and brain
function, AND it is in many processed foods under different names.
http://www.nomsg.com/#Common%20Reactions
http://www.price-pottenger.org/Articles/MSG.html
Joe Slater
>This observation brings to mind the recent discussion of maple syrup. It
>seemed to say that using pork fat to stop foaming would mean that the
>resulting syrup isn't kosher. How is this different from the manufacture
>of MSG using pork products? It would not be difficult to remove all traces
>of pork fat from the syrup...
I don't know the facts of the case, but it could be that the enzyme is
sufficiently denatured that it is no longer a food product.
jds
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And not criticize, as some have done,
Hitherto herebefore. (Julia Moore, "The Author's Early Life")
maxine in ri
> [SNIP]
>
> This observation brings to mind the recent discussion of maple syrup. It
> seemed to say that using pork fat to stop foaming would mean that the
> resulting syrup isn't kosher. How is this different from the manufacture
> of MSG using pork products? It would not be difficult to remove all traces
> of pork fat from the syrup...
>
> Debbie
I find it interesting that many kosher foods do use MSG, especially
the broths and mixes. A recent discussion elsewhere got responses
back from the manufacturer and the UO overseers that animal bone
char is used in processing sugar, which carries an UO-P hechser all
year long. and makes me wonder about gelatin, which is processed to
the point where it is a pure chemical, but is still not considered kosher.
No wonder we're not poseks.
maxine in ri
Joel Jacobson
> I'm not a posek either, but as a physician I urge all to
check these
> MSG sites below....Most neuroscientists agree that MSG
causes
> migraines, increases appatite, and may impaires learning
and brain
> function, AND it is in many processed foods under
different names.
Really? Which would suggest that these symptoms are much
more prevalent in societies that consume great amounts of
MSG --- such as Japan.
Tony Lew
> I'm not a posek either, but as a physician I urge all to check these
> MSG sites below....Most neuroscientists agree that MSG causes
> migraines, increases appatite,
I guess that's why Asians are all so fat.
> and may impaires learning and brain
> function,
That must be the reason for the abyssmally low test scores and
low educational achievement of Asian children around the world!
meirm...@erols.com
ri <wee...@hotmail.coma> posted:
>Debbie Deutsch wrote:
>
>> [SNIP]
>>
>> This observation brings to mind the recent discussion of maple syrup. It
>> seemed to say that using pork fat to stop foaming would mean that the
>> resulting syrup isn't kosher. How is this different from the manufacture
>> of MSG using pork products? It would not be difficult to remove all traces
>> of pork fat from the syrup...
It wouldn't? A major problem here I think is that the syrup is hot
during processing. Globs of fat might be removeable, but what about
the part that has merged with the syrup, physically.
Aren't there loose bonds, like water of hydration, except not water.
Do any apply here?
>>
>> Debbie
>
>I find it interesting that many kosher foods do use MSG, especially
>the broths and mixes. A recent discussion elsewhere got responses
>back from the manufacturer and the UO overseers that animal bone
>char is used in processing sugar, which carries an UO-P hechser all
>year long. and makes me wonder about gelatin, which is processed to
>the point where it is a pure chemical, but is still not considered kosher.
>
>No wonder we're not poseks.
>
>maxine in ri
Searched on 'sugar kosher bone' with no quotes.
http://www.star-k.org/articles/gelatin.html a jewish source
http://chabad-mequon.org/kosher1.html not much about this but a good
site to learn about kosher and keeping kosher in general. Not all of
it is elementary.
One thing I often notice in searches is that the same info is quoted
in other newsletters.
Another thing in a vegan website is that it mentioned that some vegans
don't, although most do, share the perspective that bone processed
sugar is ok just because it is kosher. That's perfectly legitimate,
and it's not a matter of strictness, because they are not applying a
parallel standard. Their feeling I believe is that a cow contributes
to the process and they won't eat it. This is much the same as my not
eating non-union lettuce. Or not eating a Nestle's candy bar because
the same company pushed infant formula on women who couldn't afford to
buy enough. The lettuce and the candy are still kosher, but I don't
to be associated with the makers.
http://www.vrg.org/journal/vj97mar/973sugar.htm
Bones from cows are the only type used to make bone char. According to
the Sugar Association and several large sugar producers, all of the
cows have died of "natural causes" [This makes vegans happy, but cows
that die of natural causes are no longer kosher.] and do not come from
the U.S. meat industry. Bone char cannot be produced or bought in the
United States (3).
Bone char is derived from the bones of cattle from Afghanistan,
Argentina, India and Pakistan. The sun-bleached bones are bought by
Scottish, Brazilian, and Egyptian marketers, who sell them
to the U.S. sugar industry after the bones are first used by the
gelatin industry (4). [So they haven't been changed as much during the
gelatin stage as they are in the paragraph below. Parts in brackets
are from me, Meir]
Bone is heated to an extremely high temperature, which results in a
physical change in the bones composition. The bone becomes pure carbon
before it is used in a refinery.
Refined sugar does not contain any bone particles and is therefore
kosher certified. The bone char simply removes impurities from the
sugar, but does not become a part of the sugar.
Individual pieces of bone char, like granular carbon, can be used for
several years. They must be continuously washed to remove the sugar
deposits. Companies that use bone char claim that the char is more
economically feasible and efficient than other types of filters (4).
Many cane refineries use bone char. Domino, the largest sugar
manufacturer, uses bone char in the filtration process. The cane
refineries of Savannah Foods, the second largest sugar manufacturer,
also use bone char. California and Hawaiian Sugar employs bone char
filters in addition to granular carbon and ion exchange filters. All
these companies use the bone char in the refining process of brown
sugar, powdered sugar (sugar mixed with corn starch) and white
sugar.
Some cane refineries do not use bone char. Refined Sugar, producers of
Jack Frost Sugar, claim to use a granular carbon instead of bone char
for economic reasons. Florida Crystal sugar is a cane sugar which has
not passed through the bone. Although Florida Crystals sugar has a
straw color, the impurities still have been removed.
Some labels on sugar packages seem to indicate that the product is raw
sugar, but all commercial sugar has undergone some refining. Genuine
raw sugar cannot be bought and sold to the general consumer in the
United States according to FDA regulations, as it is considered unfit
for human consumption.
[Got stuff about maple syrup without trying, in the same search:]
Maple syrup
Maple syrup is another sweetener which may sometimes be a concern to
vegans. ... The traditional process of reducing the foam in maple
syrup has included the use of lard. Previously, local producers would
hang pork fat over a tub of maple syrup and let drops of fat drip into
the syrup. Others used milk, cream or butter. If animal products are
used in the form of lard or milk, the amount is minute. For example,
eight to ten gallons of syrup will involve a quarter of a teaspoon of
cream or a pea-sized drop of butter.
Vegetable oil is a common defoaming agent. It can be applied to the
end of a wooden stick and dipped into the foaming part of the maple
syrup. Most manufacturers of maple syrup now use vegetable oil or
synthetic defoamers instead of lard.
It may be difficult to determine whether a particular brand of syrup
has an animal or vegetable based defoamer. Most syrups do not use
lard, with the exception of certain small-scale products. Brands which
are kosher certified, such as Spring Tree or Maple Groves, are
unlikely [more than unlikely but I appreciate their desire not to
stick their necks out] to contain animal products in their defoamers.
Holsum Foods, which produces pancake syrup, also uses vegetable oil as
a defoaming agent, and their product is labeled by food chains such as
Dominick's, Supervalue and Superfine.
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Baker "" <wba...@panix.com> posted:
I was thinking about this some more. I was thinking about lecithin.
It comes in two varieties. Kosher and not kosher. If perhaps some
MSG is not kosher, one can still be sure that that used in
kosher-certified food is. Kosher inspectors don't just go to the
"assembly" plant for food they inspect. They get a list of
ingredients there and any ingredient that is processed or doubtful in
someway, they point out the ingredients at issue to their original
client, and after being invited, they go to the supplier and do the
same thing there, working their way back to the origin of all the
ingredients. They have or send inspectors all over the world, Hong
Kong etc. Only after all the ingredients are certified does the
product get certification.
Kosher inspection agencies don't solicit business. When a food
producer comes to them, they tell him that he'll have to use only
certified ingredients. If he doesn't already use them, if he wants to
keep using those that haven't been certified, the producer contacts
his suppliers and tells them he'd like them to get certified. Then
the supplier invites the kosher inspector too, or not.
>Wendy Baker
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rosesc...@yahoo.com (Tony Lew) posted:
>musashi...@yahoo.com (musashimarufan) wrote in message news:<63bcf531.01062...@posting.google.com>...
>> I'm not a posek either, but as a physician I urge all to check these
>> MSG sites below....Most neuroscientists agree that MSG causes
>> migraines, increases appatite,
>
>I guess that's why Asians are all so fat.
>
>> and may impaires learning and brain
>> function,
>
>That must be the reason for the abyssmally low test scores and
>low educational achievement of Asian children around the world!
>
How do we know they put MSG in their food. Maybe they only put in
ours!
>> AND it is in many processed foods under different names.
>>
Oooh, for a while I thought this was the humor list.
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Ravchaz
that Muslims don't have the concepts of bitul b'shishim (nullification of tiny
amounts) or davar hadash (that the substance has undergone chemical change and
thus is in essence a new product.) In theory a kosher-certified product could
contain miniscule amounts of an additive which originates in pork and still be
kosher, but not acceptable to Muslims.
How this squares with the known fact that religious Muslims look for kosher
certification on the products they buy, I don't know. My guess is that they by
and large aren't aware of the intricacies of kashrut law and don't know about
the differences between our laws and their's.
Charles Arian
York, PA
arby
but msg is found naturally in many plant and animal foods...
i wonder why you think it is coming from pork...
arby...
wba...@panix.com
: my understanding most commercial msg is in fact a vegetable product...
: but msg is found naturally in many plant and animal foods...
: i wonder why you think it is coming from pork...
: arby...
Apparently, according to the original article, the pork product is used to
grow it on in some fashion that makes it unacceptable to Muslims, but not
to kosher authorities. This has been discussed on other, non-food groups
of Jewish interest, which is where I received my information on the
kashrut of the msg despit the use of pork product.
Wendy Baker
Debbie Deutsch
<3b3bf54a...@news.bellatlantic.net>:
>my understanding most commercial msg is in fact a vegetable product...
>but msg is found naturally in many plant and animal foods...
>
>i wonder why you think it is coming from pork...
>
>arby...
>
[SNIP]
The article that started this thread said that pork was involved in at
least some cases.
Debbie
maxine in ri
>
> my understanding most commercial msg is in fact a vegetable product...
> but msg is found naturally in many plant and animal foods...
>
> i wonder why you think it is coming from pork...
>
> arby...
Because the thread started with:
From: musashi...@yahoo.com (musashimarufan)
"On January 10, 2001, the Muslim population of Jakarta, Indonesia made
a startling discovery. They uncovered the fact that a pork-based
enzyme was being used in the production of MSG.
[snip for brevity]
maxine in ri