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Bond

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Oct 21, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/21/99
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Here is an idea on how to backup the GD Roms

BRIEF HISTORY LESSON:-
When Sega Were Developing The Dreamcast, They Needed A New Kind
Of Storage Medium. They Chose Yamaha To Come Up With The Drive
And Disc. Yamaha Chose The CD Format For Many Reason'z:
1.)It Proved To Be Very Popular With Consumer'z ie:PLAYSTATION
2.)It Is Very Inexpensive To Make A CD And Package It
3.)It Give'z Developer'z Huge Amount'z Of Space To Play Around With
But There Is A Problem, CD'z Can Be Copied Very Easily.
That'z Why Yamaha Chose To Make It A 1GigaByte Disc,
So That People Like You And I Could Not Copy Them.
We All Know That A Standard CD-Recordable Can Hold
Between 650-680 MegaByte'z Of Recorded Data.
As Stupid As SEGA Are They Agreed To Use Yamaha'z
New CD Medium For This Reason.
Little Did SEGA Japan Know That Yamaha Had Teamed Up Some
Time Back With A Software Group Called CeQuadrat To
Release A Software Bundle With Every New Yamaha CD-Writer.
The Thing Is That CeQuadrat Had Also Found A Way Of Storing
1Gbyte+ On A Standard Disc Using Some Type Of New Writing
Method, Which Could Be Deployed By Most Yamaha Writer'z.
So If Dreamcast Uses A 1Gbyte Disc For It'z Drive, And Yamaha
Writer'z Can Now Write 1Gbyte+, Then Surely We Have Won.

WHAT DO I NEED?:-
First Of All You Will Need A CD-Writer That Is Equivalent To A
Yamaha 400At Or Above. -Easily Obtainable.
Second You Will Need A Copy Of CeQuadrat's Latest PacketCD
Software. - http://www.cequadrat.com


Mark Wilson

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Oct 21, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/21/99
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"Bond" <hmss_j_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Here is an idea on how to backup the GD Roms
>

Nope, wouldn't work. CeQuadrat's "new writing method" you speak of simply
compresses data before it writes it, and then uses a special driver to
uncompress it when reading it back, hardly revolutionary. The DC wouldn't
have a clue how to read the data.

I imagine the only way you can genuinely increase the capacity of a CDR is
by cutting down the amount of error correction data, but this has obvious
drawbacks. You can't increase the track density, because this is fixed when
the CDR is stamped.

Not to mention the fact that the disc wouldn't be a GD-ROM, so the DC would
probably just treat it as an audio CD with one track.

Mark

Bond

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Oct 21, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/21/99
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Will there be a GD rom drive available do you think????

Or what about using a dvd writer?

~ .Steve.~

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Oct 21, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/21/99
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It does not work, its been proven.

OLD NEWS, this was News about 6 months ago.


Bond <hmss_j_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Here is an idea on how to backup the GD Roms
>

~ .Steve.~

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Oct 21, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/21/99
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A GD Writer is meant to be in development, but I think Sega will have
somthing
to say on that, due to the format been GD which I "think" they own copyright
on.

DVD writer, DVD Ram drives are crap, and dedicated DVD Writers cost an arm
and 3 leggs.


Bond <hmss_j_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

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> Will there be a GD rom drive available do you think????
>
> Or what about using a dvd writer?
>
> On Thu, 21 Oct 1999 18:08:56 +0100, "Mark Wilson"
> <m.wilson!REMOVE_ME!@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
>
> >

> >"Bond" <hmss_j_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >news:380edc4c...@news.dial.pipex.com...
> >> Here is an idea on how to backup the GD Roms
> >>
> >

Mark Wilson

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"Bond" <hmss_j_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Will there be a GD rom drive available do you think????
>

If you mean a GD writer, then I would doubt it. Anyway, the writer is only
half the problem. The GDs look like they've got a central "standard" CD
section in the middle, with a higher density section on the outside.
Mechanically, standard CD writers _may_ be able to write at that higher
density, but you'd have to modify the drive firmware and find some way of
getting blank GDRs... and you're unlikely to be able to do that, even if
they exist.

Mark

MoNkFiSh

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Oct 21, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/21/99
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Clever as Sega have been I`ll put money on that Pirate Silvers of some
form come out of Hong Kong within 2 months (if that) its just too much
buisness for the professional pirates in Asia to lose ...just look at
how much trouble they went to to create the Doctor 64 for the Nintendo
64..
Its a Multi million pound industry over there theres no way that
they`ll let Sega beat them after all no one ever has b4...
I`m interested in hearing anyone elses`s feelings on the subject!


On Thu, 21 Oct 1999 18:41:54 +0100, "~ .Steve.~"
<st...@internetuser.free-online.co.uk.SPAM> wrote:

>It does not work, its been proven.
>
>OLD NEWS, this was News about 6 months ago.
>
>

>Bond <hmss_j_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>news:380edc4c...@news.dial.pipex.com...
>> Here is an idea on how to backup the GD Roms
>>

James Sutherland

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Oct 21, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/21/99
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MoNkFiSh <monkf...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Clever as Sega have been I`ll put money on that Pirate Silvers of some
> form come out of Hong Kong within 2 months (if that) its just too much
> buisness for the professional pirates in Asia to lose ...just look at
> how much trouble they went to to create the Doctor 64 for the Nintendo
> 64..

Why 2 months from now? The machine has been out nearly a year. Presumably
they've been working on it since the Japanese release.

~ .Steve.~

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Oct 22, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/22/99
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Yea, but the DC has been out for over a year now in HK and still no HK
copies
of games.


MoNkFiSh <monkf...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Clever as Sega have been I`ll put money on that Pirate Silvers of some
> form come out of Hong Kong within 2 months (if that) its just too much
> buisness for the professional pirates in Asia to lose ...just look at
> how much trouble they went to to create the Doctor 64 for the Nintendo
> 64..

dave

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Oct 22, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/22/99
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how do you know live in HK ??????


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MoNkFiSh

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Oct 22, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/22/99
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I`m only going off what a few of my Hong Kong contacts are saying
...and they`ve allways been right b4 ...I realise its been out in Hong
Kong for a year now but u have to realise that they dont pay anywhere
near as much as we do for games (or the dreamcast! its only £100 brand
new over there) the demand for pirated games is much higher in the
West ....

Daniel Cartwright

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Oct 23, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/23/99
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In Hong Kong they have no modem with the Dreamcast :-(

~ .Steve.~

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Oct 23, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/23/99
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Its all that I hear as well, DCs HK silvers soon etc, Ive heard that for the
last
8 months but still nothing has come out.

People in HK LOVE pirate goods, the ratio between legit goods and pirated
goods is unreal.

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~ .Steve.~

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Oct 23, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/23/99
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My mates out their working.


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dave

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Oct 23, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/23/99
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one of the big pirate groups are offering them for sale .......
i have bought 3 faulty asian / jap games over the last few weeks so maybe
they are pirates ?????? who knows they are that clever now a days .....


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~ .Steve.~

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> one of the big pirate groups are offering them for sale .......

MSPSX are, but well we all know about them,

> i have bought 3 faulty asian / jap games over the last few weeks so maybe
> they are pirates ?????? who knows they are that clever now a days .....

? Could be but if pirates were in existance do you not think the net would
be full off
adverts for them ?

Pat Chaney

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Oct 23, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/23/99
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hmss_j_...@yahoo.com (Bond) wrote:

>3.)It Give'z Developer'z Huge Amount'z Of Space To Play Around With

Oh, For God'z Sake ...

--
Pat <p...@pchaney.demon.co.uk>

dave

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Oct 23, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/23/99
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Guess so but lets wait and see my guess within weeks not months the market
will be flooded......
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James Sutherland

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dave <d.c...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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> Guess so but lets wait and see my guess within weeks not months the market
> will be flooded......

Why now all of a sudden? The machine's been out for nearly a year. There's
not going to be anything different about a UK machine that suddenly makes
them work out how to copy the games.

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