Which member of "The Resistance" takes credit for these?
Arny Krüger
like you to think they are paragons of truth and justice. We know that they
revel in binary posts that harass people they don't like. It appears that at
least one of their number has gone way off the deep end:
Here is some private email I received last night:
-----Original Message-----
From: dead...@writeme.com <dead...@writeme.com>
To: ar...@flash.net <ar...@flash.net>
Date: Thursday, February 25, 1999 9:35 PM
Subject: Hello daddy
>Hello daddy,
>
>Thank you for killing me. You fucked me so hard Jesus was very happy with my
arrival. I bet the other daddies didn't let their children suck there dick's
like you sucked mine, daddy. I'm glad I'm dead now.
>
>I've sent you a picture to remind me of you.
(attached jpg - fellatio in progress)
-----Original Message-----
From: dead...@writeme.com <dead...@writeme.com>
To: ar...@flash.net <ar...@flash.net>
Date: Thursday, February 25, 1999 9:37 PM
>Thank you for killing me daddy
(attached jpg fellatio "completed" with results on cheeks)
----Original Message-----
From: dead...@writeme.com <dead...@writeme.com>
To: ar...@flash.net <ar...@flash.net>
Date: Thursday, February 25, 1999 9:39 PM
>You made me come hard, daddy. I'm in heaven now, but you can suck my dick in
your dreams and your prayers.
(attached jpg fellatio "completed" with results on chin and mouth)
-----Original Message-----
From: dead...@writeme.com <dead...@writeme.com>
To: ar...@flash.net <ar...@flash.net>
Date: Thursday, February 25, 1999 9:42 PM
>Does this bring back good memories, daddy?
(attached jpg picture, nude male with erection being urinated on by nude
male)
-----Original Message-----
From: dead...@writeme.com <dead...@writeme.com>
To: ar...@flash.net <ar...@flash.net>
Date: Thursday, February 25, 1999 10:25 PM
Subject: my wavs
>hello daddy,
>
>thank you for murdering me and sodomizing my dead body. please analyse my wav
files daddy.
(attached 494K .wav file, basically low level hum - failed recording attempt?)
-----Original Message-----
From: dead...@writeme.com <dead...@writeme.com>
To: ar...@flash.net <ar...@flash.net>
Date: Thursday, February 25, 1999 10:28 PM
Subject: daddy fucks nate
>hello daddy,
>
>thank you for killing me.
(attached 494K .wav file, basically low level hum - failed recording attempt?)
----Original Message-----
From: dead...@writeme.com <dead...@writeme.com>
To: ar...@flash.net <ar...@flash.net>
Date: Thursday, February 25, 1999 10:31 PM
Subject: sexy daddy
>can i fuck mommy again while you suck my balls daddy
(attached 494K .wav file, basically low level hum - failed recording attempt?)
-----Original Message-----
From: dead...@writeme.com <dead...@writeme.com>
To: ar...@flash.net <ar...@flash.net>
Date: Thursday, February 25, 1999 10:34 PM
>what did it feel like to grope me in my coffin, daddy?
(attached 494K .wav file, basically low level hum - failed recording attempt?)
Now, here is the question - does this have anything do to with their other
attempts to slander me - are they all equally "true"?
Andrew D Thibault
Arny Krüger wrote in message ...
[snip of cruel, un-funny shit...]
Arny, you may be a cyber-jerk, but nobody deserves that kind of bullshit
slung their way.
Note to the person that sent these things to Arny:
GROW THE FUCK UP!
There are so many options when arguing with Arny that there isn't any need
to take the absolute lowest path. You discredit *everybody* that tries to
argue with Arny when you do that.
teebo
Barry Rothman
their name attached to such shit if you have no proof they had
anything to do with. I for one have kept all my comments public about
Arny's lying, weaseling and dishonorable behavior. I, for one, have
no need to hide behind anonymous posts.
BR
Powell
Arny Krüger wrote:
<snip>
How do we know that you didn’t generate this post
to garner sympathy, Arny?
Craig Hampton
Arny Krüger wrote:
> "The Resistance" - Rothman, Sandman, Bergman, Middius, Briggs, et al would
> like you to think they are paragons of truth and justice. We know that they
> revel in binary posts that harass people they don't like. It appears that at
> least one of their number has gone way off the deep end:
>
> Here is some private email I received last night: [snipped for brevity and
> because of being too shocking]
Arny,
In my opinion, the only thing the lunatic that authored these emails is a member
of is hell! Please don't make any sweeping generalizations by attempting to equal
this person with "The Resistance". I believe the only thing the _true_
"resistance" is interested in is countering is your audio beliefs. This lunatic
is too far out to even be lumped into the fringe of those that oppose your
viewpoints.
CH
The Devil
<ar...@flash.net> wrote:
>"The Resistance" - Rothman, Sandman, Bergman, Middius, Briggs, et al would
>like you to think they are paragons of truth and justice. We know that they
>revel in binary posts that harass people they don't like. It appears that at
>least one of their number has gone way off the deep end:
Let me tell you something, you vile shit head. I have now
received in excess of *fifty* e-mails from various anonymous
accounts accusing me of just about every horrible thing one
can imagine.
There are people here I believe may be responsible for the
posts, but I have NEVER accused any one individual. I don't
know who's doing it, and it would be grotesquely unfair to
hurl names about - even yours, as much as I detest what a
miserable scumfuck you are.
Well, here's some of the stuff, Arnii. Since we know you're
a coward and only happy to throw insults from behind your
keyboard, perhaps it was *you* who wrote this.
>i suppose you and your dughter had one good screw before
>the cancer ate her fanny
>did you suck her tits while she was dying in the hospital bed,
>this is all so funny isnt it
>did your bitch wife stick you're head up your daughters cunt
>for one last look around before you buried the slag
I have also received massive text files just repeating my
name or something I have written on RAO. Was it you, Arnii,
who did this? I think it was. And I think you've just made
up all that shit to garner some sympathy after your thorough
humiliation over the past weeks.
--
Roy Briggs. Remove 'ZZ' for e-mail reply.
The Devil
<teeb...@frontiernet.net> wrote:
>[snip of cruel, un-funny shit...]
>Arny, you may be a cyber-jerk, but nobody deserves that kind of bullshit
>slung their way.
>Note to the person that sent these things to Arny:
>GROW THE FUCK UP!
>There are so many options when arguing with Arny that there isn't any need
>to take the absolute lowest path. You discredit *everybody* that tries to
>argue with Arny when you do that.
I agree completely, but please don't forget that he
immediately started accusing a number of people of posting
that stuff he claims he received.
TheCentralSc...@pobox.com
>"The Resistance" - Rothman, Sandman, Bergman, Middius, Briggs, et al would
>like you to think they are paragons of truth and justice. We know that they
>revel in binary posts that harass people they don't like. It appears that at
>least one of their number has gone way off the deep end:
>
Please post complete headers and crosspost it to
news.admin.net-abuse.email.
You should also bring your own ISP in on this as they will have the
experience and the time to track the prick down.
It really isn't hard to trace e-mail. I've kicked at least 50 losers off
the net (at least temporarily).
BTW: the person sending you those e-mails is commiting a felony. Jail
time if you care to press charges!
Steve Zipser
TheCentralSc...@pobox.com says...
That is, if they were in fact sent at all, and not a creation for
garnering sympathy.
Zip
TorResist
>Let me tell you something, you vile shit head. I have now
>received in excess of *fifty* e-mails from various anonymous
>accounts accusing me of just about every horrible thing one
>can imagine.
Though I have no evidence other than a hunch, I tend to believe that Kruger is
behind all the hateful e-mails that were sent to you, and that he also
manufactured the ones he posted himself. I mean, the man *IS* looking more and
more the fool here daily; desperate situations call for desperate measures,
right Arn?
The truth is, if I had my druthers
I'd treat all those here as my brothers.
But there's a prerequisite
Else I say: "Heck wiz it!":
Sibs have to have human mothers.
Ol Arn's not your run-of-the-mill of kin
Like cousin junk-bondsman Mike Milliken
There was no womb birth
Kruger crawled from the Earth
When his dad screwed a slab of dry silicon.
tor b
Sandman
Arny Krüger <ar...@flash.net> wrote in article
<afvB2.12$lz6...@news.flash.net>...
> "The Resistance" - Rothman, Sandman, Bergman, Middius, Briggs, et al
would
> like you to think they are paragons of truth and justice. We know that
they
> revel in binary posts that harass people they don't like. It appears that
at
> least one of their number has gone way off the deep end:
>
> Here is some private email I received last night:
>
Arnii - I can't believe any of the people you mentioned above would stoop
this low. I sure wouldn't send ANYONE that kind of despicable crap. As
rough as Tor, George and Roy have been on you at times, I can't imagine
them doing it either. And Barry's, well, just too polite to even imagine
anything like this.
I think you just got "hacked" in a sense from some anonymous teenage wacko
hacker who may occasionally follow this NG.
Apparently someone's been doing the same kind of thing to Roy's e-mail box.
Sandman
Sandman
TheCentralSc...@pobox.com wrote in article
<slrn7ddf6d.1jl.TheCe...@edison.chisp.net>...
> On Fri, 26 Feb 1999 11:06:46 GMT, Arny Krüger <ar...@flash.net> wrote:
> >"The Resistance" - Rothman, Sandman, Bergman, Middius, Briggs, et al
would
> >like you to think they are paragons of truth and justice. We know that
they
> >revel in binary posts that harass people they don't like. It appears
that at
> >least one of their number has gone way off the deep end:
> >
> >Here is some private email I received last night:
> <extreme nastyness snipped>
>
>
> Please post complete headers and crosspost it to
> news.admin.net-abuse.email.
>
> You should also bring your own ISP in on this as they will have the
> experience and the time to track the prick down.
>
> It really isn't hard to trace e-mail. I've kicked at least 50 losers off
> the net (at least temporarily).
>
> BTW: the person sending you those e-mails is commiting a felony. Jail
> time if you care to press charges!
Good point. Go get the bastard, Arny!!! (Just don't toss names around
until you know who really did it)
Sandman
Gruvmyster
> I think you just got "hacked" in a sense from some anonymous teenage wacko
> hacker who may occasionally follow this NG.
>
> Apparently someone's been doing the same kind of thing to Roy's e-mail box.
Equally detestable on both fronts.
Moral of the story: don't ever let anything personal be known about you on
r.a.o. There are people here who can't handle the information in a nice way.
Doug
--
"Ignorance per se is not nearly as dangerous
as ignorance of ignorance"-- Sydney Harris
bfeng
Sandman wrote:
>
> Arny Krüger <ar...@flash.net> wrote in article
> <afvB2.12$lz6...@news.flash.net>...
> > "The Resistance" - Rothman, Sandman, Bergman, Middius, Briggs, et al
> would
> > like you to think they are paragons of truth and justice. We know that
(snip)
> Arnii - I can't believe any of the people you mentioned above would stoop
> this low. I sure wouldn't send ANYONE that kind of despicable crap. As
> rough as Tor, George and Roy have been on you at times, I can't imagine
> them doing it either.
YOU'VE GOT TO BE KIDDING!!!! Have you been reading their posts at all?
In another post, I'll post a compilation of some of the choice stuff that
has been posted by this gang. Here's a quick synopsis: profane, perverted,
in-humanly nasty personal invective.
> I think you just got "hacked" in a sense from some anonymous teenage wacko
> hacker who may occasionally follow this NG.
That description fits several members of the "resistance" extremely well.
It's not a matter of whether folk agree or disagree. It's a matter of how
they pursue their disagreements. As far as Ed, Barry, are concerned, I have a lot of strong
disagreements with them and yet I don't get any crap from them nor do I
dish it out. Now, George, Tor, etal are another story altogether.
John Feng
bfeng
If you consider past evidenc . .
It's entirely reasonable that Arny should suspect
"one of the resistance."
If you go back and examine past posts by these folk, you'll
find that they've repeatedly posted articles that contain
the substance that was in the emails that Arny just
received. If this group of people are so happy to
post such nastiness in public, why is it such a stretch to
believe that they'd not also send in via private email?
The Devil wrote:
>
> On 26 Feb 1999 13:35:14 GMT, "Andrew D Thibault"
> <teeb...@frontiernet.net> wrote:
>
> >[snip of cruel, un-funny shit...]
> (snip)
>
> I agree completely, but please don't forget that he
> immediately started accusing a number of people of posting
> that stuff he claims he received.
>
> --
>
> Roy Briggs. Remove 'ZZ' for e-mail reply.
--
John Feng
TorResist
>As far as Ed, Barry, are concerned, I have a lot of strong
>disagreements with them and yet I don't get any crap from them nor do I
>dish it out. Now, George, Tor, etal are another story altogether.
Now just one blinkin' minute there, feng! I treated *you* with kid-gloves. Not
a single limerick, not a single personal attack, not a single reference to your
sexuality and, as I recall, not even a single reference to a last name that
*begged* to be lampooned or used in a rhyme. With Kruger? It's no holds
barred; from my perspective, the man deserves no mercy at all. With JJ? Well,
it's mostly Marquis of Queensbury-- except when he starts to get up on a chair
and shriek like the Marquessa of Queensbury. :-)
So cool it.!
tor b
jj, curmudgeon and tiring philalethist
Arny Krüger <ar...@flash.net> wrote:
>"The Resistance" - Rothman, Sandman, Bergman, Middius, Briggs, et al would
>revel in binary posts that harass people they don't like. It appears that at
>least one of their number has gone way off the deep end:
>
>Here is some private email I received last night:
Arnold, you should simply invoke porn laws on that creep. It seems to me
that being the unwilling recipient of porn is still illegal, yes?
I know the creep didn't sign its name, but there ARE ways to track
most of this kind of abuse down.
--
Copyright j...@research.att.com 1999, all rights reserved, except transmission
by USENET and like facilities granted. This notice must be included. Any
use by a provider charging in any way for the IP represented in and by this
article and any inclusion in print or other media are specifically prohibited.
Edward Derson Hou
> Roy,
>
> If you consider past evidenc . .
>
> It's entirely reasonable that Arny should suspect
> "one of the resistance."
>
> If you go back and examine past posts by these folk, you'll
> find that they've repeatedly posted articles that contain
> the substance that was in the emails that Arny just
> received. If this group of people are so happy to
> post such nastiness in public, why is it such a stretch to
> believe that they'd not also send in via private email?
Yes, but by the same token, Kruger has repeatedly been flagrantly
deceitful, cowardly, and less than forthright in the majoriy of his
posts counteracting them.
If you had posted the same charge, no one would be doubting it, Mr. Feng.
-Eddie
jj, curmudgeon and tiring philalethist
>Sandman wrote:
>Moral of the story: don't ever let anything personal be known about you on
>r.a.o. There are people here who can't handle the information in a nice way.
Yes, that's quite true. Then again, it seems that recently the criminals
and other harrassers have gotten much more determined to actually economically,
physically, or emotionally hurt people who debunk their nonsense.
George M. Middius
>Please don't make any sweeping generalizations by attempting to equal
>this person with "The Resistance". I believe the only thing the _true_
>"resistance" is interested in is countering is your audio beliefs. This lunatic
>is too far out to even be lumped into the fringe of those that oppose your
>viewpoints.
FilthyBorg does seem to believe that he's hated by only a select
few vocal opponents on RAO. The truth is that everyone with a
brain™ on RAO loathes and despises him thoroughly.
The true purpose of the Resistance is not only to unshackle Audio
Normalness from the suffocation of the ABXism theocracy. We also
place the highest priority on deflecting the rancid gushes of
BorgSmugSnot that have nothing to do with audio opinion and
everything to do with character. (Assuming the term has any
applicability at all to the metronic sack of shit we know as
Arnii Krooger.)
George M. Middius
George M. Middius
>I have also received massive text files just repeating my
>name or something I have written on RAO. Was it you, Arnii,
>who did this? I think it was. And I think you've just made
>up all that shit to garner some sympathy after your thorough
>humiliation over the past weeks.
Bingo. My thought exactly.
George M. Middius
bfeng
First and somewhat off topic comment. Consider the
profane, perverse, irrational, racist, hostile,
mountain of personal attacks that Arny receives from
Middius, Trotsky, Roy, SDurabito, etal. Furthermore, consider
that this stuff is coming in day after day, week after week,
month after month. I dare say that anyone would get
pretty irrascible if they were subject to that kind of
nasty harrassment, including you.
Now, on to the point of your post.
Let's look at history and evidence to see who is most likely
to be dealing in the sort of sicko stuff that Arny received.
Here's just a few choice selections from rom a search on posts
by Middius, Greg Singh, Roy, etal.
(start quotes)
The purpose of the ABXism blinding rituals is to convert
normals into unseeing, unfeeling, unsentient automatons who
will mindlessly do the bidding of the Supreme SausageMeister.
Your lies are legion. You boast of your lying, your
hypocrisy, your assholeness. You revel in your insensitivity
to all of humanity, especially your poor aggrieved
wifey-bitch, whom you have wrongfully deprived of her son.
Arnii has a gun, shoot it soon will he
In the line of fire is a place you don't want to be.
Commitment was once the means to an end
Now it's how the Kroobitch far away Arnii will send.
BTW, Arnii is having a resurrection party next month. After
he murders the Kroobitch, he'll be serving her up for
Christmas dinner.
Was that before or after you exposed yourself to her while
humming 'Jack and Jill'?
You just described the Kruger household perfectly. Add necrophilia
to your list and the case is closed.
I am the hag who continually bares my bum to people like Fear3000,
Middius, Briggs, Rothman, Zipser, Singh, etc., and I don't feel wrong
about it. Because of this, they penetrate me deeply, and yet the only
thing they appear to withhold is relieving my frustration by caressing
me with my name. My arguments against them are unbearable, and they
know it, and they deeply resent having to let me up for air.
They are poor loosers, and I cannot spell, note. Buy my book.
Speaking of dehumanizing, have you checked with poor Arnii
about his plans to recoup the costs of that very expensive
funeral? Blood money, guilt money -- it's driving him around
the bend, you know.
Heh-heh. I sense a bit of trouble in Kroogadise. Has the
Kroobitch been withholding her favors of late? Is the
Sausage Symmetry atilt? Is Mikey playing hard-to-get?;-)
BTW, Ronnella has a great big heart-shaped bed and an
appropriate decorating theme for entertaining cyborgs. It's
based on a sausage motif, of course.
(end quote)
Oh yes, don't forget all the NAMBLA... (whatever acronym
you guys made up).
Arny has posted some pretty choice stuff of his own lately,
but nothing like the kind of sick-minded crap others have
slung at him.
--
John Feng
bfeng
I'm of the opinion that anyone who needs to resort
to grade school name calling to support their
disagreements isn't one to complain of others
who "take the absolute lowest path."
Let me get myself into some DEEP shit here by reminding
you of a few choice things that you do:
> Festering Boil"
Now that's surely civil of you!
> Was that before or after you exposed yourself to her while
> humming 'Jack and Jill'?
Tell me that's not stooping to the lowest level!
> You just described the Kruger household perfectly. Add necrophilia
> to your list and the case is closed.
What was it you said, Roy? "GROW THE FUCK UP!"
Evidence from your previous posts clearly
show that you have all the potential necessary to have generated the
nasty emails Arny received.
I'm not saying Arny hasn't offended you in the past, nor am I
saying whether or not you have a bone to pick with the man.
I'm just saying that after someone posts all that crap that
you have, why would you expect to be treated civilly (e.g.
when you had your phone conversation) or be above suspicion
when more of the same is sent via email.
John Feng
George M. Middius
>Go get the bastard, Arny!!! (Just don't toss names around
>until you know who really did it)
Arnii knows who "did" it. There's no guesswork involved at all.
What kind of "person" feels validated only when he gets 100's and
100's™ of forced sympathy messages from strangers?
George M. Middius
Steve Zipser
Nothing you can say or do will mitigate the fact that Kreuger welched on
an agreed debate.
But more importantly, you have been a relatively quiet and non-incendiary
voice aroounf here. Do you believe that your threatened post below will
do anything to lower the flame level here on rao? If you do, then you
probably believe that the WWF is legit. Do you honestly believe that
posting that crap would have a positive result?
Steve Zipser
In article <36D6F857...@ibm.net>, bf...@ibm.net says...
> YOU'VE GOT TO BE KIDDING!!!! Have you been reading their posts at all?
> In another post, I'll post a compilation of some of the choice stuff that
> has been posted by this gang. Here's a quick synopsis: profane, perverted,
> in-humanly nasty personal invective.
>
>
> > I think you just got "hacked" in a sense from some anonymous teenage wacko
> > hacker who may occasionally follow this NG.
>
> That description fits several members of the "resistance" extremely well.
>
> It's not a matter of whether folk agree or disagree. It's a matter of how
> they pursue their disagreements. As far as Ed, Barry, are concerned, I have a lot of strong
> disagreements with them and yet I don't get any crap from them nor do I
> dish it out. Now, George, Tor, etal are another story altogether.
>
> John Feng
>
--
LETS GO PANTHERS
Sunshine Stereo,Inc http://sunshinestereo.com Tel: 305-757-9358
9535 Biscayne Blvd Miami Shores, FL 33138 Fax: 305-757-1367
PASS Rega Miranda CODA Audible Illusions CEC Camelot Parasound ESP
Audio Logic Chiro Benz-Micro Dunlavy NEAR NHT Gallo Zenith Arcane
Mordaunt-Short EAD Vans-Evers Monster/ENTECH Straightwire Eggleston
The Devil
wrote:
>Roy,
>If you consider past evidenc . .
I have considered it. Still am considering it.
>It's entirely reasonable that Arny should suspect
>"one of the resistance."
He may suspect, as I suspect one person in particular for
the grief I've gotten in e-mail, but I have no proof and
know I have no way of obtaining it, since the mails
originate from a completely anonymous free UK ISP. All that
can be done is keep shutting down accounts, but since it
takes all of two minutes to open another one, what's the
point? I could say whatever the hell I liked using Freeserve
and simply open another account afterwards without there
being any proof I am the same person.
>If you go back and examine past posts by these folk, you'll
>find that they've repeatedly posted articles that contain
>the substance that was in the emails that Arny just
>received.
No - that is untrue. IMO, only I have really stepped over
the line, and for that I offered sincere and heartfelt
apology to Arnii. Of course, that wasn't good enough, but
whatever. . .
>If this group of people are so happy to
>post such nastiness in public, why is it such a stretch to
>believe that they'd not also send in via private email?
Precisely. Why even bother? I've said worse to Kruger in
public when he's got under my skin with his lies and
distortions and hate-filled shit.
I think Krooger has done this himself, and I think he's got
something behind the mails that I've been receiving. Who
else hates *me* enough to come out with the kind of things
I've been receiving? It's a remarkable coincidence that
suddenly *he's* a victim of the same thing, and that he
immediately assumes it's *me* (notice how I'm *last* on his
list when in fact I'm the one who said the terrible things
about his kid).
Edward M. Shain
>
>Arny Krüger wrote in message ...
>
><vile e-mails snipped>
I'm sorry you received such stuff, Mr. Kruger. Good advice has
been posted to pursue whoever did this through whatever appropriate
routes are available.
This sort of thing is as over the line as anything that's been
said or done previously. It's even worse, given that it was sent via
e-mail.
Ed
The Devil
>And another thing, Roy.
Yes?
>I'm of the opinion that anyone who needs to resort
>to grade school name calling to support their
>disagreements isn't one to complain of others
>who "take the absolute lowest path."
So you agree Krooger takes the absolute lowest path? Well
that's a start.
>Let me get myself into some DEEP shit here by reminding
>you of a few choice things that you do:
Fine. Let's party.
>> Festering Boil"
>Now that's surely civil of you!
Shit, is that the best you can come up with?
>> Was that before or after you exposed yourself to her while
>> humming 'Jack and Jill'?
>Tell me that's not stooping to the lowest level!
OK - that's not stooping to the lowest level. Happy?
>> You just described the Kruger household perfectly. Add necrophilia
>> to your list and the case is closed.
>What was it you said, Roy? "GROW THE FUCK UP!"
Jesus, it looks like you've overlooked some of my best work,
DoctAAAR.
>Evidence from your previous posts clearly
>show that you have all the potential necessary to have generated the
>nasty emails Arny received.
Yes, certainly may appear to be true, but it is not. I have
only recently lost a daughter myself. Do you think I would
post something like *that* to Krueger at a time like this?
You're insane.
I think if you open your eyes you'll find that similar
comments to the ones you list have been made by a number of
RAOers. You may also note Krooger's own sexual comments and
off-color remarks about foetal alcohol syndrome.
>I'm not saying Arny hasn't offended you in the past, nor am I
>saying whether or not you have a bone to pick with the man.
I bear him malice, but I'm quite content to confine that to
RAO, where all can see the lashings he gets.
>I'm just saying that after someone posts all that crap that
>you have, why would you expect to be treated civilly (e.g.
>when you had your phone conversation)
I didn't especially. Krooger on the phone, however, is the
same as Krooger on RAO.
>or be above suspicion when more of the same is sent via email.
Suspicion is fine. I have suspicion about who's been doing
the same thing to me. I kept it at that, since it would be
completely wrong to accuse someone who may have motive but
has left no incriminating evidence.
As I've said before, however, fire with fire. I've suspected
Krooger of sending the posts, since only he really has the
motivation to send them.
The Devil
wrote:
[snip of interesting material]
>Arny has posted some pretty choice stuff of his own lately,
>but nothing like the kind of sick-minded crap others have
>slung at him.
What do you want me to do? BEG him for forgiveness?
I have apologised for my conduct throughout that and have
satisfied my own conscience that I did the right thing.
Despite whatever Arnii did in the past, he didn't deserve
some of the crap I threw at him. I have not attacked him in
any way, shape or form reminiscent of my earlier, more
tasteless endeavours.
Glad you omitted that, DoctAAAR. Wouldn't want to think
you're being fair.
bfeng
I didn't say anything, one way or the other about Arny's posts,
or this recent stuff about debates and discussion panels.
One could take the position that Arny is a liar, based on
one interpretation of his posts. If someone said Arny
does not always negotiate in good faith on offers to
debate audio, one could construe his posts as evidence
to support this idea (although I prefer to stay entirely
out of this whole mess).
Arny, however, has not been so eager and prone to using
perverted sexual insults to harass people. George, and
others have done this for years, and have even become
infamous for it.
I've given you just a tiny portion of the documented posts
from George etal that show they are more than capable of
authoring the emails Arny has received.
If you have any proof that Arny posts fake emails to garner
sympathy, let's have it.
Edward Derson Hou wrote:
>
> On Fri, 26 Feb 1999, bfeng wrote:
>
> > Roy,
> >
> > If you consider past evidenc . .
> >
> > It's entirely reasonable that Arny should suspect
> > "one of the resistance."
> >
> > If you go back and examine past posts by these folk, you'll
> > find that they've repeatedly posted articles that contain
> > the substance that was in the emails that Arny just
> > received. If this group of people are so happy to
> > post such nastiness in public, why is it such a stretch to
> > believe that they'd not also send in via private email?
>
> Yes, but by the same token, Kruger has repeatedly been flagrantly
> deceitful, cowardly, and less than forthright in the majoriy of his
> posts counteracting them.
> If you had posted the same charge, no one would be doubting it, Mr. Feng.
>
(snip)
John Feng
bfeng
Notice that I didn't say ANYTHING regarding the current
2-way flame fest ala JA's invite or the Detroit Debate.
Thank you for not assigning unsupported intentions to my
posts.
The reasons that I'm staying out of this whole mess are
1) It's not a technical or audio issue
2) There's way to many players in this one already
3) I hold Arny in generally high regard, but I would have
handled the 2 debate situations quite differently. That is
not to say that I don't understand or cannot justify what
Arny did (I'm not taking any positions here). It's just
that I don't want to get involved in this one.
4) It wouldn't help anyone's understanding or enjoyment of audio
if I did. It seems like a big hate orgy, and that I can do without.
Steve Zipser wrote:
>
> John:
> Nothing you can say or do will mitigate the fact that Kreuger welched on
> an agreed debate.
>
> But more importantly, you have been a relatively quiet and non-incendiary
> voice aroounf here. Do you believe that your threatened post below will
> do anything to lower the flame level here on rao? If you do, then you
> probably believe that the WWF is legit. Do you honestly believe that
> posting that crap would have a positive result?
> Steve Zipser
>
Well, if someone sent that stuff to me, and if there was evidence
(as there is here) that it could very likely be authored by
a current rao participant, you bet I'd post it. As to whether
it would have a positive effect, if it exposed the dirty little
pr*ck that authored the email, then yes it would.
John Feng
bfeng
Why do so many people (on both sides of the issue)
feel that all the 2nd grade name calling is beneficial,
necessary, or even desirable to ANY debate.
It's not as if we're a bunch of pimply 7th graders
standing around comparing egos on the playground. Is it?
Steve Zipser wrote:
>
John Feng
Edward M. Shain
and tiring philalethist) wrote:
>In article <36D6F289...@idt.net>, Gruvmyster <dhau...@idt.net> wrote:
>>Sandman wrote:
>>Moral of the story: don't ever let anything personal be known about you on
>>r.a.o. There are people here who can't handle the information in a nice way.
>
>Yes, that's quite true. Then again, it seems that recently the criminals
>and other harrassers have gotten much more determined to actually economically,
>physically, or emotionally hurt people who debunk their nonsense.
Huh? Please elaborate, JJ. If people are really determined,
such things would have happened, and they haven't.
As far as the emotional part ---well, no question people want
to seriously flay others verbally and do, but after a while it all
seems part of the background noise, no?
I'll stipulate Mr. Kruger as an exception to the rules, but,
as far as I can tell, no one's hurt him physically or economically
either. Only he can speak to the emtoional part.
Ed
George M. Middius
briefly through memory lane.
>The purpose of the ABXism blinding rituals is to convert
>normals into unseeing, unfeeling, unsentient automatons who
>will mindlessly do the bidding of the Supreme SausageMeister.
Mine.
>Your lies are legion. You boast of your lying, your
>hypocrisy, your assholeness. You revel in your insensitivity
>to all of humanity, especially your poor aggrieved
>wifey-bitch, whom you have wrongfully deprived of her son.
Mine.
>Arnii has a gun, shoot it soon will he
>In the line of fire is a place you don't want to be.
>Commitment was once the means to an end
>Now it's how the Kroobitch far away Arnii will send.
Is that mine? Can't remember.
>BTW, Arnii is having a resurrection party next month. After
>he murders the Kroobitch, he'll be serving her up for
>Christmas dinner.
Roy's.
>Was that before or after you exposed yourself to her while
>humming 'Jack and Jill'?
Roy's.
>You just described the Kruger household perfectly. Add necrophilia
>to your list and the case is closed.
Is that Singh's?
>I am the hag who continually bares my bum to people like Fear3000,
>Middius, Briggs, Rothman, Zipser, Singh, etc., and I don't feel wrong
>about it. Because of this, they penetrate me deeply, and yet the only
>thing they appear to withhold is relieving my frustration by caressing
>me with my name. My arguments against them are unbearable, and they
>know it, and they deeply resent having to let me up for air.
>They are poor loosers, and I cannot spell, note. Buy my book.
I think that's mine, but I'm not sure.
>Speaking of dehumanizing, have you checked with poor Arnii
>about his plans to recoup the costs of that very expensive
>funeral? Blood money, guilt money -- it's driving him around
>the bend, you know.
Mine.
>Heh-heh. I sense a bit of trouble in Kroogadise. Has the
>Kroobitch been withholding her favors of late? Is the
>Sausage Symmetry atilt? Is Mikey playing hard-to-get?;-)
Mine.
>BTW, Ronnella has a great big heart-shaped bed and an
>appropriate decorating theme for entertaining cyborgs. It's
>based on a sausage motif, of course.
Mine.
>Oh yes, don't forget all the NAMBLA... (whatever acronym
>you guys made up).
FYI, Fang, you stupid fucking moron, the first 20 references to
NAMBLA on RAO were posted by FilthyBorg and its henchcreatures
such as "Artie" and the Bug Eater.
BTW, you didn't tell us which of the quotes you thought was the
funniest. And, IMO, the selection you retrieved hardly does
justice to the overall level of humor furnished gratis by the
Resistance.
You're a dismal scholar, Fang. No sense of balance, no sense of
humor, no sense of right and wrong at all.
You love your Arnii, don't you? ;-) 'Till death do you part, I'd
guess.
George M. Middius
bfeng
That's down right gentlemanly of you. If only
everyone on all sides of all issues could
take a cue from your post, . . . we could
all then disagree vehemently but with CIVILITY.
Care to bet if that would led to a hell of a lot
less personal animosity and a lot more enjoyment
of rao?
--
John Feng
bfeng
I recall a little bit about your situation. If what I recall
is correct, you have every bit of sympathy that I extend to
Arnold.
Next:
Since nobody has ever posted evidence that directly
proves Arny posts false, sick minded notes to garner sympathy,
then what warrants your suspicion? George, you and others,
in contrast, show great enjoyment in assigning all manner of
disgusting allegations to Arnold. In these posts, is much
of the content of the emails that Arnold received. What
would you suggest any rational person make of that?
Futhermore:
I do remember that you posted a note about a personal tragedy,
and Arny posted a reply suggesting that it might be a fabrication.
Personally, I think that was in VERY poor taste, and was
completely uncalled for. I didn't tell Arnold that I thought
he was being callous, but I'm saying it now. For what it's
worth I should say the same thing to you for
a number of your posts (but not all of them).
Finally:
No, I am not looking for a flame war, and I don't revel it
flame fests as many in this news group seem to.
The Devil wrote:
>
> On Fri, 26 Feb 1999 15:02:35 -0500, bfeng <bf...@ibm.net>
> wrote:
>
> >Roy,
John Feng
bfeng
I will not take your flame bait.
Go back and read my posts. There's hardly any
screaming going on. Right.
Now read them again and ask yourself if I restricted my
bit about name-calling to you and only you. Do you
get it now? Great.
But, I know you're looking for something solid
to sink your teeth into. Okay, here it is. Be
yourself and do what you will with it.
Arny resorts to name calling, and I've
never said he hasn't.
So do far too many other
posters in this newsgroup, that is if anyone is
here looking for even semi-intelligent audio
discussions. Example: If you don't like Ferstler's posts,
it doesn't help your case to mangle his name (unless
you want to give Greg Singh a run for being
the biggest . . . never mind). I know that some of the
stuff Howard F. posts is erroneous. Some of it
trivially wrong. Much of what he posts comes off being
far to officious for my taste, and I've told him
so on prior occassion. If you search dejanews, you'll see
that I haven't any problem telling him when he's wrong,
and yet there was no need to resort to school yard
misbehavior to do so.
The Devil wrote:
>
> Feng screams:
>
> >And another thing, Roy.
>
> Yes?
>
> >I'm of the opinion that anyone who needs to resort
> >to grade school name calling to support their
> >disagreements isn't one to complain of others
> >who "take the absolute lowest path."
>
> So you agree Krooger takes the absolute lowest path? Well
> that's a start.
>
> >Let me get myself into some DEEP shit here by reminding
> >you of a few choice things that you do:
>
> Fine. Let's party.
>
> >> Festering Boil"
>
> >Now that's surely civil of you!
>
> Shit, is that the best you can come up with?
No. If you were a 13 year old, under-educated, know-it-all,
then I'd say it was typical. However, you're anything but that,
so I think it's a perfect example of meaningless, uncalled for,
stupid behavior. That's why I quoted it.
> >> Was that before or after you exposed yourself to her while
> >> humming 'Jack and Jill'?
>
> >Tell me that's not stooping to the lowest level!
>
> OK - that's not stooping to the lowest level. Happy?
>
> >> You just described the Kruger household perfectly. Add necrophilia
> >> to your list and the case is closed.
>
> >What was it you said, Roy? "GROW THE FUCK UP!"
>
> Jesus, it looks like you've overlooked some of my best work,
> DoctAAAR.
Sorry, I only took a few moments to browse through your
long and prolific past. Nice to see that you haven't lost
the propensity for resorting to name calling. I'm not offended,
just a bit baffled.
> Yes, certainly may appear to be true, but it is not. I have
> only recently lost a daughter myself. Do you think I would
> post something like *that* to Krueger at a time like this?
> You're insane.
I find it hard to believe that anyone who is a parent
would ever post some of the things you've posted.
For more, see my other reply.
>
> I think if you open your eyes you'll find that similar
> comments to the ones you list have been made by a number of
> RAOers.
Right, I've noticed, and that's why I didn't single you out.
I also posted quotes from George.
> You may also note Krooger's own sexual comments and
> off-color remarks about foetal alcohol syndrome.
Yes, I saw one of them and I thought it was not a very smart
thing to do.
> I bear him malice,
It's good that you have the guts to say it. Of course, he knows this
and so perhaps it's not surprising that he wasn't totaly civil when
you called him.
> I didn't especially. Krooger on the phone, however, is the
> same as Krooger on RAO.
Quite frankly, if anyone had said to me some of the things
you've said to Arnold, I'd have hung up on you without so much
as a word. I wouldn't have been surprised if you would do the
same to him.
(snip)
> As I've said before, however, fire with fire. I've suspected
> Krooger of sending the posts, since only he really has the
> motivation to send them.
I don't know. I've seen a fair number of nuts on both sides of
the subj/obj battle. . .
John Feng
David Wareing
wrote:
From: "Arny Krüger" <ar...@flash.net>
Newsgroups: rec.audio.opinion
Subject: Which member of "The Resistance" takes credit for these?
Lines: 114
X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3
Message-ID: <afvB2.12$lz6...@news.flash.net>
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 11:06:46 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.194.218.222
X-Complaints-To: ab...@flash.net
X-Trace: news.flash.net 920027206 208.194.218.222 (Fri, 26 Feb 1999
05:06:46 CDT)
NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 05:06:46 CDT
Organization: FlashNet Communications, http://www.flash.net
Path:
newsread3.dircon.co.uk!news.dircon.co.uk!peer2.news.dircon.net!peer1.news.dircon.net!newspeer1.nac.net!chippy.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!nntp.flash.net!news.flash.net!not-for-mail
Xref: newsread3.dircon.co.uk rec.audio.opinion:261276
Disgusting.
Take it to the police.
There is no need to post this in public.
Sender can't spell "there dick's"
What does the full header look like?
Regards,
David.
bfeng
I would not have felt my post was successful without a
retort from you.
George M. Middius wrote:
>
> bfeng, RAO's archly starchy puritan of the month, leads us
> briefly through memory lane.
Tell me again, George. When is behaving like a sociable adult
equivalent to being a puritan?
> (snip)
> Mine.
> (snip)
> Mine.
> (snip)
> Is that mine? Can't remember.
yours
> (snip)
> Roy's.
> (snip)
> Roy's.
> (snip)
> >You just described the Kruger household perfectly. Add necrophilia
> >to your list and the case is closed.
>
> Is that Singh's?
Nope, Roy's. A bit surprising coming from someone whose daughter
passed away.
> >I am the hag who continually bares my bum to people like Fear3000,
> >Middius, Briggs, Rothman, Zipser, Singh, etc., and I don't feel wrong
> >about it. Because of this, they penetrate me deeply, and yet the only
> >thing they appear to withhold is relieving my frustration by caressing
> >me with my name. My arguments against them are unbearable, and they
> >know it, and they deeply resent having to let me up for air.
> >They are poor loosers, and I cannot spell, note. Buy my book.
>
> I think that's mine, but I'm not sure.
Yes, and it was, I hate to admit, creative.
(snip)
> Mine.
(snip)
> Mine.
(snip)
> Mine.
>
> >Oh yes, don't forget all the NAMBLA... (snip)
>
> FYI, Fang, you stupid fucking moron, the first 20 references to
> NAMBLA on RAO were posted by FilthyBorg and its henchcreatures
> such as "Artie" and the Bug Eater.
Is that so, I'll check on it.
By the way, I don't appreciate your name calling anymore than
Arny. But, we've been over that before.
> And, IMO, the selection you retrieved hardly does
> justice to the overall level of humor furnished gratis by the
> Resistance.
You are absolutely right. 'Twas a quickie, and not meant to
be comprehensive.
George, here's a sincere comment for you. I really hope you're
not anything like your rao persona in real life. If I'm wrong
. . . whew!
John Feng
The Devil
>Roy,
>I recall a little bit about your situation. If what I recall
>is correct, you have every bit of sympathy that I extend to
>Arnold.
Thank you.
>Next:
>Since nobody has ever posted evidence that directly
>proves Arny posts false, sick minded notes to garner sympathy,
>then what warrants your suspicion?
I think there is evidence of that. When I attempted to
extend renewed sympathy to him in the muddle of our family's
tragedy, he wasn't remotely interested. Not surprising, but
I *did*, however, ask for forgiveness for some of the things
I said about Nate, since that was extremely important to me,
and *right after that* he used my request for forgiveness
against me about four or five times. It happened at the same
time of another of his RAO *lows*, and quite a few stated
at that time that he was trying to use that sorry event, for
which I had already apologised a number of times, to his
advantage to win back some support. His harping on that (and
also trying to associate his other adversaries with that
behaviour because they share the same opinions as me) also
provided a nice kick in the teeth to me. He must have added
up the benefits very carefully.
Right then I saw him accuse people who had nothing to do
with the Nate posts of condoning them, contributing to them,
agreeing with them, when in fact it was a simple matter of
public record that some of said people had expressed
distaste at what was going on. I think he'll do *anything*
to try to win support, and it so happens now that support is
something he has very little of.
>George, you and others,
>in contrast, show great enjoyment in assigning all manner of
>disgusting allegations to Arnold.
I have no problem speaking my mind about the kind of person
Krooger is.
>In these posts, is much of the content of the emails
>that Arnold received.
Yes, and isn't that so convenient? Perhaps he was hoping I'd
make a big deal out of the mails I've been receiving and
then smile smugly when the borgs tell me I deserve it.
Perhaps it's just plain vengeance, and since it didn't work
because I re-posted nothing that I've received in e-mail
until today, he had to hot up the waters by *creating* the
same kind of shit he's been sending me and then accusing
*me* of sending the material.
>What
>would you suggest any rational person make of that?
I would say use your head and look at the evidence.
>Finally:
>No, I am not looking for a flame war, and I don't revel it
>flame fests as many in this news group seem to.
Well I'm glad.
Paul Dormer
>"The Resistance" - Rothman, Sandman, Bergman, Middius, Briggs, et al would
>like you to think they are paragons of truth and justice. We know that they
>revel in binary posts that harass people they don't like. It appears that at
>least one of their number has gone way off the deep end:
>
>Here is some private email I received last night:
This stuff is abhorrent.. whoever sent it could do with a spell in
secure accomodation!
Paul Dormer Me...@clara.net
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Sound Design, Editing, Mastering
bfeng
>
> Feng wrote:
> (snip)
> >Since nobody has ever posted evidence that directly
> >proves Arny posts false, sick minded notes to garner sympathy,
> >then what warrants your suspicion?
>
> I think there is evidence of that. When I attempted to
> extend renewed sympathy to him in the muddle of our family's
> tragedy, he wasn't remotely interested. Not surprising, but
> I *did*, however, ask for forgiveness for some of the things
> also trying to associate his other adversaries with that
> behaviour because they share the same opinions as me) also
> provided a nice kick in the teeth to me. He must have added
> up the benefits very carefully.
Okay, okay. I'll look it up, read the posts (I've got
dejanews running on it in the other window right now).
If warranted. I'll email Arny and tell him he behaved
as stupidly as other rao participants have. Happy?
(snip)
Arnold is no Angel (who is). But then, he's no George
either!
> >George, you and others,
> >in contrast, show great enjoyment in assigning all manner of
> >disgusting allegations to Arnold.
>
> I have no problem speaking my mind about the kind of person
> Krooger is.
Roy, if you stick to real life I'd not have said anything
about you in this thread. That you have to drag all manner of
fabricated crap into your discussions is what I object to.
> >In these posts, is much of the content of the emails
> >that Arnold received.
>
> Yes, and isn't that so convenient? Perhaps he was hoping I'd
> make a big deal out of the mails I've been receiving and
> then smile smugly when the borgs tell me I deserve it.
Well, if you're receiving similar email, then it's a lot
less likely that you're the culprit. How's that?
(snip)
> Roy Briggs. Remove 'ZZ' for e-mail reply.
--
John Feng
The Devil
wrote:
>> >You just described the Kruger household perfectly. Add necrophilia
>> >to your list and the case is closed.
>> Is that Singh's?
>Nope, Roy's. A bit surprising coming from someone whose daughter
>passed away.
Was that said before or after the death of my daughter?
I suggest you do your research just a little more carefully.
--
The Devil
wrote:
>But, I know you're looking for something solid
>to sink your teeth into.
Is that so?
>Okay, here it is. Be
>yourself and do what you will with it.
[snip]
Guess you were wrong.
greg pavlov
>And another thing while I'm at it.
>
>Why do so many people (on both sides of the issue)
>feel that all the 2nd grade name calling is beneficial,
>necessary, or even desirable to ANY debate.
>
John, the name-calling and flame fests are the
ends, not the means. With the exception of Zip,
who also picks up some business as a byproduct,
folks such as those Arnie pointed at are here to
flame and be flamed; rao is simply a convenient
source of audience & like-minded folks.
I don't understand much of Arnie's recent behavior.
But if you look at his posts over the long haul, he
stays on topic a much higher percentage of the time
than the folks who expend so much time and energy
slinging everything from mud to excrement. And
over a period of time, there is nothing to do but to
escalate, leading to posts such as you and
Arnie quoted.
greg pavlov
[not affiliated with DFCI or Harvard]
dctest Anonymous Remailer
>
> If you have any proof that Arny posts fake emails to garner
> sympathy, let's have it.
<SIGH>
Gruvmyster
> bfeng <bf...@ibm.net> wrote:
> >Nope, Roy's. A bit surprising coming from someone whose daughter
> >passed away.
>
> Was that said before or after the death of my daughter?
>
> I suggest you do your research just a little more carefully.
So your argument is we all have to experience everything someone else goes
through to realize when we're crossing the line?
Roy, that surprises me.
Doug
--
"Ignorance per se is not nearly as dangerous
as ignorance of ignorance"-- Sydney Harris
George M. Middius
>George, here's a sincere comment for you. I really hope you're
>not anything like your rao persona in real life. If I'm wrong
>. . . whew!
Here's one for you: Is Phoebe's daughter any prettier than her
old man?
George M. Middius
Remove "jiffy" to reply
George M. Middius
> I'm sorry you received such stuff, Mr. Kruger. Good advice has
>been posted to pursue whoever did this through whatever appropriate
>routes are available.
Don't get sucked into this little vortex of self-pity the
Krooborg is pixillating throughout RAO. There is no "mystery"
about the source of these "e-mails". It is just another cheap
ploy by Feebs to deflect everyone's attention from the
disgusting sodder's epochal debacle in The Great Debate.
George M. Middius
>This stuff is abhorrent.. whoever sent it could do with a spell in
>secure accomodation!
You got that right. Arnii, will you be committing yourself, or
will Tommi Notsaine do the honors?
Stewart Pinkerton
>Sandman (any reason why you don't care to use a real name?),
He makes no secret of the fact that his name is Jim Sanders and that
he is an attorney. He just likes the soubriquet 'Sandman'. Not unlike
your esteemed family member, no? :-)
--
Stewart Pinkerton | Music is art, audio is engineering
George M. Middius
shows its ugly face on RAO. bf illustrates:
>3) I hold Arny in generally high regard,
Enough said.
bfeng
The Devil wrote:
>
> On Fri, 26 Feb 1999 17:31:56 -0500, bfeng <bf...@ibm.net>
> wrote:
> >> >You just described the Kruger household perfectly. Add necrophilia
> >> >to your list and the case is closed.
> >> Is that Singh's?
> >Nope, Roy's. A bit surprising coming from someone whose daughter
> >passed away.
>
> Was that said before or after the death of my daughter?
>
> I suggest you do your research just a little more carefully.
Point taken.
I should'nt have assumed it was after unless I had checked.
I'll check the date and post. Please confirm if this
was before or after your loss.
Let's see, I found . . .
(quote)
Quick, everyone, go along to alt.binaries.pictures.misc. Look for
header 'pinmoney'. Secret picture of Mrs Kroobitch waitressing to
financially support Arnii's perverted AXB rituals.
(end quote)
posted on 10/18, so I surmise this was before. Yes?
posted on 10/31
(quote)
Pop along to alt.binaries.pictures.misc and grab header 'Pissed'.
Now we now what JJ looks like when she's upset enough to call
Arnii 'Arnold'.
(end quote)
Oh, but JJ hasn't recently suffered a death in the immediate
family until after that post, and this was also before your loss
so this was okay too. Right?
AH HA! I've got it. On Jan 9th, 1999 you wrote:
"Was that before or after you exposed yourself to her while humming
'Jack and Jill'?"
The dejanew reference is:
http://www.dejanews.com/[ST_rn=ps]/getdoc.xp?AN=430258665
So, did I mistakenly assume this was after your loss?
Now,
explain to me again why it's so fine to engage in the 'sport' of
slander and general nastiness before but not after.
Or perhaps how you think your non-audio related posts are
anything but waddling in the filth that is Middius?
Also, in light of your offence by Arny's inappropriate posts
regarding your daughter's death, perhaps you could comment
on the sort of thing that George and Greg engage in with
respect to Arny's son?
Roy, it's not just the stuff at is aimed
at Arny. The kind of nastiness that the "resistance" has
continually engaged in has no place being directed at anyone.
--
John Feng
Marc Blank
> In article <36D6F289...@idt.net>, Gruvmyster <dhau...@idt.net> wrote:
> >Sandman wrote:
> >Moral of the story: don't ever let anything personal be known about you on
> >r.a.o. There are people here who can't handle the information in a nice way.
>
> Yes, that's quite true. Then again, it seems that recently the criminals
> and other harrassers have gotten much more determined to actually economically,
> physically, or emotionally hurt people who debunk their nonsense.
>
You make the assumption that the reason for trashing folks has to do with
their opinions on audio, and assumption that seems entirely conjectural.
After all, there ARE very strong-minded objectivists here that don't get
flamed. To link this kind of disgusting behavior to audio opinions is,
in itself, inflammatory. I don't think subjectivists here have cornered
the market on rudeness, although I'd agree they do more than their share.
- Marc
trotsky
The Devil wrote:
>
> I don't care whether he thinks I did it or not. Fuck him.
> Maybe one day someone will drive over him with a train.
>
> --
That would be the Bullshit Express, of course.
Gruvmyster
> Gruvmyster wrote:
>
> >So your argument is we all have to experience everything someone else goes
> >through to realize when we're crossing the line?
>
> Try again, Doug. John F said he was surprised that statement
> came from someone whose daughter passed away. It was said
> before that total devastation on our lives. Do you not think
> I regret what I have said?
I know you did, but it's appearing you have recently started going back the
same direction.
> I tried to articulate my sorrow
> and regret the best way I could for Arnii, and also my
> sadness that I had been a total asshole and may have damaged
> him with some things I had said. Looks like I needn't have
> bothered worrying about it, however.
I disagree. You know I got angry with you when you did that, but I (for one, at
least) was glad you showed some class in the issue after your tragedy. Does it
really matter what anyone else does?
> But regardless, had I made any remark of that kind *after*
> my daughter's death, that would indeed - at least to me -
> indicate severe problems of one kind or another.
Clear now.
> >Roy, that surprises me.
>
> Perhaps because you did not understand.
Fair enough.
Gruvmyster
> Sand, is there a Bell Tower in your future? Might I show you where to aim? ;}
Omigod, another sniper reference! This one refers to Texas, as Trots did in an
earlier post. I fear the "resistance" is about to go "postal"...
Or could it be humor...;-)
A. Kuan
bfeng wrote:
> Roy,
>
> If you consider past evidenc . .
>
> It's entirely reasonable that Arny should suspect
> "one of the resistance."
>
> If you go back and examine past posts by these folk, you'll
> find that they've repeatedly posted articles that contain
> the substance that was in the emails that Arny just
> received. If this group of people are so happy to
> post such nastiness in public, why is it such a stretch to
> believe that they'd not also send in via private email?
>
Why even bother sending private email? I think it takes more guts topost
in public with own identity than to send someone anonymous
mail. This is just common sense.
It is very likely that the person(s) who sent those anonymous
emails is(are) individual(s) that seldom post in rao and despise Mr
Kruger.
It is very likely that his recent activities in rao may have infuriated
him(them) and
eventually send these infamous emails as a way to get out his chest.
I am not saying that those emails were not originated by a member of the
"Resistance"
rather, it is more likely that those emails were sent by a third party.
I do have some disagreement with Mr. Kruger opinion and behavior, but he
doesn't
even make it to my top five list of most despised individual in rao.
>
>
> John Feng
Gruvmyster
> You make the assumption that the reason for trashing folks has to do with
> their opinions on audio, and assumption that seems entirely conjectural.
Well, it *does* seem to follow. Either that, or some people here have an amazingly
low tolerance of differing personalities.
> After all, there ARE very strong-minded objectivists here that don't get
> flamed.
Who?
> To link this kind of disgusting behavior to audio opinions is,
> in itself, inflammatory.
Yet possibly true.
> I don't think subjectivists here have cornered
> the market on rudeness, although I'd agree they do more than their share.
I've decided the best route is to "fight fire with fire."
The Devil
<dhau...@idt.net> wrote:
>> >Nope, Roy's. A bit surprising coming from someone whose daughter
>> >passed away.
>> Was that said before or after the death of my daughter?
>> I suggest you do your research just a little more carefully.
>So your argument is we all have to experience everything someone else goes
>through to realize when we're crossing the line?
Try again, Doug. John F said he was surprised that statement
came from someone whose daughter passed away. It was said
before that total devastation on our lives. Do you not think
I regret what I have said? I tried to articulate my sorrow
and regret the best way I could for Arnii, and also my
sadness that I had been a total asshole and may have damaged
him with some things I had said. Looks like I needn't have
bothered worrying about it, however.
But regardless, had I made any remark of that kind *after*
my daughter's death, that would indeed - at least to me -
indicate severe problems of one kind or another.
>Roy, that surprises me.
Perhaps because you did not understand.
--
The Devil
(George M. Middius) wrote:
>Here's one for you: Is Phoebe's daughter any prettier than her
>old man?
Are they not the same person?
Oops, now I'll cop it. :-)
The Devil
wrote:
>> I think there is evidence of that. When I attempted to
>> extend renewed sympathy to him in the muddle of our family's
>> tragedy, he wasn't remotely interested. Not surprising, but
>> I *did*, however, ask for forgiveness for some of the things
>> I said about Nate, (snip) His harping on that (and
>> also trying to associate his other adversaries with that
>> behaviour because they share the same opinions as me) also
>> provided a nice kick in the teeth to me. He must have added
>> up the benefits very carefully.
>Okay, okay. I'll look it up, read the posts (I've got
>dejanews running on it in the other window right now).
>If warranted. I'll email Arny and tell him he behaved
>as stupidly as other rao participants have. Happy?
Ecstatic. You seem to fail to understand the point I am
driving at. In the case I outlined, Arny *knew* those he
accused were innocent - it's verifiable in dejanews. But the
salient truth is: he'd do *anything* do discredit them when
they were making him look like a fool on RAO - say
*anything* at all. And, let's face it, the good old
heartstring puller was the comments I made about the death
of his son. What better way to collect support by smearing
everyone who's against him with the same accusations? It
didn't take him a moment's thought, cause him the least
feeling of shame, to crassly malign people he *knew* had
nothing to do with what I had said. In fact, using some of
his patented logic, he tried to convince RAO that these
people he accused were in support of the comments I made
about Nate *simply because of a loose association borne out
of an agreement of some general hi-fi principles*. Is *that*
*ever* excusable?
I remember him trying to shaft Jim Sanders this way, and I
think maybe Barry too. I'm sure there were others. That is
diabolical. It demonstrates quite clearly what lengths he
will go to just to maintain some flim-flam RAO image of Mr
Engineer.
>Arnold is no Angel (who is). But then, he's no George
>either!
So what? Are you deliberately missing my point?
>> I have no problem speaking my mind about the kind of person
>> Krooger is.
>Roy, if you stick to real life I'd not have said anything
>about you in this thread. That you have to drag all manner of
>fabricated crap into your discussions is what I object to.
Then killfile me. I am entitled to parody Krooger as I see
fit, and I'm entitled to draw on my imagination and
delineate creatively as I see fit. Krooger is shit, and I
don't have any problem at all working with and expanding on
fictional extrapolations of a real piece of human crap.
>> Yes, and isn't that so convenient? Perhaps he was hoping I'd
>> make a big deal out of the mails I've been receiving and
>> then smile smugly when the borgs tell me I deserve it.
>Well, if you're receiving similar email, then it's a lot
>less likely that you're the culprit. How's that?
I don't care whether he thinks I did it or not. Fuck him.
Maybe one day someone will drive over him with a train.
--
Paul Dormer
>I have now
>received in excess of *fifty* e-mails from various anonymous
>accounts accusing me of just about every horrible thing one
>can imagine.
More repugnant stuff ;(
It may be possible to track down the culprits, Arny, Roy, "the man"
was identified in rec.audio.pro a short while ago, ask Fletcher.
George M. Middius
>Arnold is no Angel (who is). But then, he's no George
>either!
Took you long enough.
Now what are you going to do about your hero Arnii? ;-)
George M. Middius
and whimpers, or some other Kroobedient display of
foolishness.
> I don't understand much of Arnie's recent behavior.
> But if you look at his posts over the long haul, he
> stays on topic a much higher percentage of the time
> than the folks who expend so much time and energy
> slinging everything from mud to excrement.
You're a sharp one, pavloborg. Right to the heart of the
matter. Yessirree, no fooling you. ;-)
Sandman
George M. Middius <Glan...@ipo.net> wrote in article
<36e300b8...@news.supernews.com>...
> Craig Hampton said:
>
> >Please don't make any sweeping generalizations by attempting to equal
> >this person with "The Resistance". I believe the only thing the _true_
> >"resistance" is interested in is countering is your audio beliefs. This
lunatic
> >is too far out to even be lumped into the fringe of those that oppose
your
> >viewpoints.
>
> FilthyBorg does seem to believe that he's hated by only a select
> few vocal opponents on RAO. The truth is that everyone with a
> brain™ on RAO loathes and despises him thoroughly.
I don't, George. Maybe I lose my brain when I log onto RAO, but I rather
enjoy his presence. Hell, if it weren't for the wide target he provides
here, how else would I relieve myself when I get into one of those "target
practice" moods? I don't own a gun, a bow and arrow, or a crossbow. How
else am I gonna get rid of that weird energy?
;-)
Sandman
> The true purpose of the Resistance is not only to unshackle Audio
> Normalness from the suffocation of the ABXism theocracy. We also
> place the highest priority on deflecting the rancid gushes of
> BorgSmugSnot that have nothing to do with audio opinion and
> everything to do with character. (Assuming the term has any
> applicability at all to the metronic sack of shit we know as
> Arnii Krooger.)
>
>
> George M. Middius
>
George M. Middius
>You make the assumption that the reason for trashing folks has to do with
>their opinions on audio, and assumption that seems entirely conjectural.
>After all, there ARE very strong-minded objectivists here that don't get
>flamed.
Phoebe is as obtuse as Fungles when it comes to the animosity
the two of them encounter.
>To link this kind of disgusting behavior to audio opinions is,
>in itself, inflammatory. I don't think subjectivists here have cornered
>the market on rudeness, although I'd agree they do more than their share.
We are a hot-tempered lot. We come to RAO to share our love of
high-quality music repro, and we run into a constant barrage
of snot and stupidity. Yes, we go overboard sometimes. But
hell -- if we could have some nice chats about audio, we
wouldn't have the reasons to embarrass the stupid Hivies all
the damn time.
George M. Middius
farfetched rationalization.
>> FilthyBorg does seem to believe that he's hated by only a select
>> few vocal opponents on RAO. The truth is that everyone with a
>> brain™ on RAO loathes and despises him thoroughly.
>I don't, George. Maybe I lose my brain when I log onto RAO, but I rather
>enjoy his presence. Hell, if it weren't for the wide target he provides
>here, how else would I relieve myself when I get into one of those "target
>practice" moods? I don't own a gun, a bow and arrow, or a crossbow. How
>else am I gonna get rid of that weird energy?
I bow to the master.
Armand
says...
Sand, is there a Bell Tower in your future? Might I show you where to aim? ;}
Armand
Steve Zipser (Sunshine Stereo)
George M. Middius <Glan...@jifffy.erols.com> wrote in message
news:36df5457...@news.erols.com...
>Remove "jiffy" to reply
George, me and a friend are in tears of laughter reading the above!
Zip
Nexus 6
>It really isn't hard to trace e-mail. I've kicked at least 50 losers off
>the net (at least temporarily).
*If* the notes Arny received were not faked by him (not beyond him,
IMO, especially after the beating he has taken here lately), then his
ISP should be able to aid in tracking them down.
---
Nexus 6
--- "Quite an experience to live in fear, isn't it?
That's what it means to be a slave."
Annika1980
ya. And don't forget the pics!
-Annika -----> loves e-mail (hint, hint)
Stewart Pinkerton
>Ink...@ZZDemonScript.freeserve.co.uk (The Devil) wrote:
>
>>I have now
>>received in excess of *fifty* e-mails from various anonymous
>>accounts accusing me of just about every horrible thing one
>>can imagine.
>
>More repugnant stuff ;(
>
>It may be possible to track down the culprits, Arny, Roy, "the man"
>was identified in rec.audio.pro a short while ago, ask Fletcher.
Horrible rudeness in r.a.pro usually *is* Fletch, isn't it? :-)
mdryoon
>
> Armand wrote:
>
> > Sand, is there a Bell Tower in your future? Might I show you where to aim? ;}
>
> earlier post. I fear the "resistance" is about to go "postal"...
Better not go to Austin, TX then, Doug. The University of Texas is
going to reopen the tower this spring.
> Or could it be humor...;-)
I found quite a few of Greg Singh's recent posts to be humorous.
Richard Yoon (http://www.angelfire.com/md/RYoonHome/usenetemail.html
has my email address for those who want to send me
email replies.)
Sandman
jj, curmudgeon and tiring philalethist <j...@research.att.com> wrote in
article <F7s2n...@research.att.com>...
> In article <36D6F289...@idt.net>, Gruvmyster <dhau...@idt.net>
wrote:
> >Sandman wrote:
> >Moral of the story: don't ever let anything personal be known about you
on
> >r.a.o. There are people here who can't handle the information in a nice
way.
>
> Yes, that's quite true. Then again, it seems that recently the criminals
> and other harrassers have gotten much more determined to actually
economically,
> physically, or emotionally hurt people who debunk their nonsense.
While I can't condone your sloppy editing (you quoted Gruvmyster, but it
appears you were quoting me) I can't agree with either Gruvy or you more on
this subject. The relative impersonality of the internet not only attracts
some of the worst creeps imaginable, it often brings out the worst in
otherwise very civilized people.
Sandman
Sandman
The Devil <Ink...@ZZDemonScript.freeserve.co.uk> wrote: in article
<36dc3ee2...@news.freeserve.net>...
At least you didn't say you'd drag him behind a pickup truck! :-) A disc
jockey recently got fired as a result of a comment like that about a black
singing group, considering the bastard that actually did that to some poor
guy (who just happened to be born with dark skin) just got sentenced. Let
him fry in hell.
Sandman
Sandman
George M. Middius <Glan...@jifffy.erols.com> wrote in article
<36f75b75...@news.erols.com>...
> Sandman demonstrates the accomplished lawyer's gift for
> farfetched rationalization.
>
> >> FilthyBorg does seem to believe that he's hated by only a select
> >> few vocal opponents on RAO. The truth is that everyone with a
> >> brain™ on RAO loathes and despises him thoroughly.
>
> >I don't, George. Maybe I lose my brain when I log onto RAO, but I
rather
> >enjoy his presence. Hell, if it weren't for the wide target he provides
> >here, how else would I relieve myself when I get into one of those
"target
> >practice" moods? I don't own a gun, a bow and arrow, or a crossbow.
How
> >else am I gonna get rid of that weird energy?
>
> I bow to the master.
I just KNEW it would "floor" you, George! :0)
Sandman
Sandman
Gruvmyster <dhau...@idt.net> wrote in article
<36D77CF6...@idt.net>...
> Armand wrote:
>
> > Sand, is there a Bell Tower in your future? Might I show you where to
aim? ;}
>
> Omigod, another sniper reference! This one refers to Texas, as Trots did
in an
> earlier post.
Thanks for the reference. I didn't know how to answer Armand, because I
didn't get the "Bell Tower" reference.
I fear the "resistance" is about to go "postal"...
Well, not owning a rifle either, I'm not quite sure where Armand would lead
me...
Sandman
Sandman
Stewart Pinkerton <pat...@popmail.dircon.co.uk> wrote in article
<36d72839...@news.dircon.co.uk>...
> bfeng <bf...@ibm.net> writes:
>
> >Sandman (any reason why you don't care to use a real name?),
>
> He makes no secret of the fact that his name is Jim Sanders and that
> he is an attorney. He just likes the soubriquet 'Sandman'. Not unlike
> your esteemed family member, no? :-)
I recently responded to bfent in e-mail about the origins of the handle.
He now understands.
Sandman
Arny Krüger
Edward Derson Hou wrote in message ...
>On Fri, 26 Feb 1999, bfeng wrote:
>
>> Roy,
>>
>> If you consider past evidenc . .
>>
>> It's entirely reasonable that Arny should suspect
>> "one of the resistance."
>>
>> If you go back and examine past posts by these folk, you'll
>> find that they've repeatedly posted articles that contain
>> the substance that was in the emails that Arny just
>> received. If this group of people are so happy to
>> post such nastiness in public, why is it such a stretch to
>> believe that they'd not also send in via private email?
>
>
>deceitful, cowardly, and less than forthright in the majoriy of his
>posts counteracting them.
>If you had posted the same charge, no one would be doubting it, Mr. Feng.
So you, in a rather self-serving way, say.
I know its tough trying to play the game of being an "unpaid associate
Stereophile staffer", when Atkinson balks at debating me one-on-one in public,
w/r/t listeng test methodologies, in person or on this NG. ;-)
But don't take your frustrations out on me!
Armand
>
>Armand wrote:
>
>> Sand, is there a Bell Tower in your future? Might I show you w
>here to aim? ;}
>
>Omigod, another sniper reference! This one refers to Texas, as Tr
>ots did in an
>
>Or could it be humor...;-)
>
Of course it's humor!......... Stand up Doug, can't see you.
Armand
Arny Krüger
The Devil wrote in message <36db093a...@news.freeserve.net>...
>On Fri, 26 Feb 1999 15:02:35 -0500, bfeng <bf...@ibm.net>
>wrote:
>
>>Roy,
>
>>If you consider past evidenc . .
>
>
>>It's entirely reasonable that Arny should suspect
>>"one of the resistance."
>
>the grief I've gotten in e-mail, but I have no proof and
>know I have no way of obtaining it, since the mails
>originate from a completely anonymous free UK ISP. All that
>can be done is keep shutting down accounts, but since it
>takes all of two minutes to open another one, what's the
>point? I could say whatever the hell I liked using Freeserve
>and simply open another account afterwards without there
>being any proof I am the same person.
Your claims in this matter are not credible with people who have spoken with
you over the phone, and see you deny the statements you made in such phone
converstaions the very next day. I don't know if the person who sent these
documents was you, but based on your past activities, their content and format
is consistent with your past behaviour.
Remember, while you've apologized, some weeks later. for claiming that I
murdered my son and sodomizing his dead body last September, AFAIK, you have
not apologized for posting pictorial claims that my wife practices fellatio
in public.
>>If you go back and examine past posts by these folk, you'll
>>find that they've repeatedly posted articles that contain
>>the substance that was in the emails that Arny just
>>received.
Feng observes the truth. "The Resistance" has repeatedly made various kinds of
insulting and gross pictoral and audio posts on binary newsgroups, and then
posted pointers to them on RAO, and attempted to associate the names of people
they disagree with as being characterized by those insulting and gross
pictoral posts.
>No - that is untrue. IMO, only I have really stepped over
>the line, and for that I offered sincere and heartfelt
>apology to Arnii. Of course, that wasn't good enough, but
>whatever. . .
Well, the fact that you waited until the outrage on RAO made things way too
"hot" for you has something to do with that. I think that your "Resistance"
buddies put pressure on you. I don't think you have a "heart" to feel, and
speaking with you over the phone has further confirmed that. It was clear from
you comments that your understanding of human thought and emotion is very
shallow, and you pride yourself on your abilitites to manipulate it and use
that manipulation to enrich yourself by selling "100 million" copies of
fictional works.
>>If this group of people are so happy to
>>post such nastiness in public, why is it such a stretch to
>>believe that they'd not also send in via private email?
It's happened to me before. Middius and Zip, in particular. Zip has even
threatened to come up to Detroit and physically harm me.
>Precisely. Why even bother? I've said worse to Kruger in
>public when he's got under my skin with his lies and
>distortions and hate-filled shit.
What gets under you skin is that you are not the be-all and end-all, and your
understanding of audio technology is highly flawed and very shallow. If one
reviews posts on RAO, it can be seen that yours are very often filled with
tremendous hatred. Your reprehensible accusations against myself and my family
simply demonstrate that for all to see.
>I think Krooger has done this himself, and I think he's got
>something behind the mails that I've been receiving.
If I want to make you look bad in public, all I have to do is engage you in a
technical discussion.
>Who
>else hates *me* enough to come out with the kind of things
>I've been receiving?
Anybody who would like to see RAO return to being an audio forum and is also
highly immature, as you have repeatedly demonstrated you are?
>It's a remarkable coincidence that
>suddenly *he's* a victim of the same thing, and that he
>immediately assumes it's *me* (notice how I'm *last* on his
>list when in fact I'm the one who said the terrible things
>about his kid).
I never said it was you. This is just another example of your hatred running
overtime.
Arny Krüger
Craig Hampton wrote in message <36D6B90C...@lasmx.tinker.af.mil>...
>
>
>Arny Krüger wrote:
>
>> "The Resistance" - Rothman, Sandman, Bergman, Middius, Briggs, et al would
>> like you to think they are paragons of truth and justice. We know that they
>> revel in binary posts that harass people they don't like. It appears that
at
>> least one of their number has gone way off the deep end:
>>
>> Here is some private email I received last night: [snipped for brevity and
>> because of being too shocking]
>
>Arny,
>
>In my opinion, the only thing the lunatic that authored these emails is a
member
>of is hell! Please don't make any sweeping generalizations by attempting to
equal
>this person with "The Resistance". I believe the only thing the _true_
>"resistance" is interested in is countering is your audio beliefs. This
lunatic
>is too far out to even be lumped into the fringe of those that oppose your
>viewpoints.
>
The fact is that I had a run-in with Briggs the day before, and the contents
of this email is consistant with his past attacks on me. Conicidence? Very
well could be. However, since Briggs has denied some of the contents of that
conversation as well, it could be that the person who sent this stuff just
"doesn't remember" doing it.
Arny Krüger
jj, curmudgeon and tiring philalethist wrote in message ...
>In article <36D6F289...@idt.net>, Gruvmyster <dhau...@idt.net> wrote:
>>Sandman wrote:
>>Moral of the story: don't ever let anything personal be known about you on
>>r.a.o. There are people here who can't handle the information in a nice way.
>
>Yes, that's quite true. Then again, it seems that recently the criminals
>and other harrassers have gotten much more determined to actually
economically,
>physically, or emotionally hurt people who debunk their nonsense.
Thinking of attacks on you from Powell and Middius, aimed at your employer?
;-(
Arny Krüger
jj, curmudgeon and tiring philalethist wrote in message ...
>Arny Krüger <ar...@flash.net> wrote:
>>"The Resistance" - Rothman, Sandman, Bergman, Middius, Briggs, et al would
>>like you to think they are paragons of truth and justice. We know that they
>>revel in binary posts that harass people they don't like. It appears that at
>>least one of their number has gone way off the deep end:
>>
>>Here is some private email I received last night:
>
>that being the unwilling recipient of porn is still illegal, yes?
In the US, I guess.
>I know the creep didn't sign its name, but there ARE ways to track
>most of this kind of abuse down.
I will forward the entire messages, or just the headers, to anybody who wants
to takle this problem.
>--
>Copyright j...@research.att.com 1999, all rights reserved, except transmission
>by USENET and like facilities granted. This notice must be included. Any
>use by a provider charging in any way for the IP represented in and by this
>article and any inclusion in print or other media are specifically
prohibited.
Arny Krüger
David Wareing wrote in message <36d720b4...@news.dircon.co.uk>...
>On Fri, 26 Feb 1999 11:06:46 GMT, "Arny Krüger" <ar...@flash.net>
>wrote:
>
>From: "Arny Krüger" <ar...@flash.net>
>Newsgroups: rec.audio.opinion
>Subject: Which member of "The Resistance" takes credit for these?
>Lines: 114
>X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5
>X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3
>Message-ID: <afvB2.12$lz6...@news.flash.net>
>Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 11:06:46 GMT
>NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.194.218.222
>X-Complaints-To: ab...@flash.net
>X-Trace: news.flash.net 920027206 208.194.218.222 (Fri, 26 Feb 1999
>05:06:46 CDT)
>NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 05:06:46 CDT
>Organization: FlashNet Communications, http://www.flash.net
>Path:
>newsread3.dircon.co.uk!news.dircon.co.uk!peer2.news.dircon.net!peer1.news.dir
con.net!newspeer1.nac.net!chippy.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!nntp.flash.net!new
s.flash.net!not-for-mail
>Xref: newsread3.dircon.co.uk rec.audio.opinion:261276
>
>Disgusting.
>Take it to the police.
>There is no need to post this in public.
>Sender can't spell "there dick's"
>What does the full header look like?
Return-Path: <dead...@writeme.com>
Received: from mailgw.flash.net (phobos.flash.net [209.30.0.42])
by centurion.flash.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA03714
for <ar...@centurion.flash.net>; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 21:34:49 -0600 (CST)
From: dead...@writeme.com
Received: from rmx07.globecomm.net (rmx07.iname.net [165.251.8.75])
by mailgw.flash.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA12164
for <ar...@flash.net>; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 21:34:43 -0600 (CST)
Received: from weba4.iname.net by rmx07.globecomm.net (8.9.1/8.8.0) with
ESMTP id WAA18557 ; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 22:34:41 -0500 (EST)
Received: (from root@localhost)
by weba4.iname.net (8.9.1a/8.9.2.Alpha2) id WAA06163;
Thu, 25 Feb 1999 22:34:41 -0500 (EST)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Message-Id: <9902252234...@weba4.iname.net>
Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed;
boundary="Boundary-=_wXZOpxoAGxJUBykIUzjVBtklGUEE"
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 22:34:39 -0500 (EST)
To: ar...@flash.net
X-UIDL: 20cdffbb24cf3f3ee33bf0f3f02496ba
Arny Krüger
The Devil wrote in message <36d71e3a...@news.freeserve.net>...
>I think there is evidence of that. When I attempted to
>extend renewed sympathy to him in the muddle of our family's
>tragedy, he wasn't remotely interested.
Given your past history, why should I be interested in ANYTHING you say?
> Not surprising, but
>I *did*, however, ask for forgiveness for some of the things
>I said about Nate, since that was extremely important to me,
>and *right after that* he used my request for forgiveness
>against me about four or five times.
What I think is that when a person waits weeks after a series of grevious
trangressions, and then gives a partial apology, it seems kinda hollow.
And, your accusation that I fabricated this reprehensible email is very much
in character for you.
Arny Krüger
A. Kuan wrote in message <36D77EE6...@no.SPAM>...
>Why even bother sending private email?
I think the person who did this was using a disposable account to avoid
repercussions in his main email account.
Arny Krüger
George M. Middius wrote in message <36da3354...@news.erols.com>...
>Edward M. Shain said:
>
>> I'm sorry you received such stuff, Mr. Kruger. Good advice has
>>been posted to pursue whoever did this through whatever appropriate
>>routes are available.
>
>Don't get sucked into this little vortex of self-pity the
>Krooborg is pixillating throughout RAO. There is no "mystery"
>about the source of these "e-mails". It is just another cheap
>ploy by Feebs to deflect everyone's attention from the
>disgusting sodder's epochal debacle in The Great Debate.
Interesting that Atkinson runs away everytime I suggest we debate listening
test methodologies. He just did it again, in a post I responded to yesterday.
Arny Krüger
The Devil wrote in message <36da3eaf...@news.freeserve.net>...
>...also my
>sadness that I had been a total asshole and may have damaged
>him with some things I had said.
The shallowness of your "apology" came though loud and clear with your
harassing phone call the other night!
Arny Krüger
Sandman wrote in message <7b8gjp$kem$3...@news-1.news.gte.net>...
>
>
>The Devil <Ink...@ZZDemonScript.freeserve.co.uk> wrote: in article
><36dc3ee2...@news.freeserve.net>...
>> On Fri, 26 Feb 1999 17:47:58 -0500, bfeng <bf...@ibm.net>
>> wrote:
>
>> >Well, if you're receiving similar email, then it's a lot
>> >less likely that you're the culprit. How's that?
Yes, that would be a typical resistance ploy.
>> I don't care whether he thinks I did it or not. Fuck him.
>> Maybe one day someone will drive over him with a train.
Yes, that would be a typical resistance ploy.
>At least you didn't say you'd drag him behind a pickup truck! :-) A disc
>jockey recently got fired as a result of a comment like that about a black
>singing group, considering the bastard that actually did that to some poor
>guy (who just happened to be born with dark skin) just got sentenced. Let
>him fry in hell.
Yes, that would be a typical resistance ploy.
Arny Krüger
bfeng wrote in message <36D70260...@ibm.net>...
>Interesting question.
>
>First and somewhat off topic comment. Consider the
>profane, perverse, irrational, racist, hostile,
>mountain of personal attacks that Arny receives from
>Middius, Trotsky, Roy, SDurabito, etal. Furthermore, consider
>that this stuff is coming in day after day, week after week,
>month after month. I dare say that anyone would get
>pretty irrascible if they were subject to that kind of
>nasty harrassment, including you.
You missed the "joy" of being Alan/Ellen/Alan/Derrida's daily target, to the
tune of like 800 lines of abuse in 1 post, many post daily, for over a year.
;-(
Other than Roy and Middus's slanders, nobody has ever come close...
trotsky
"Arny Krüger" wrote:
>
> Remember, while you've apologized, some weeks later. for claiming that I
> murdered my son and sodomizing his dead body last September, AFAIK, you have
> not apologized for posting pictorial claims that my wife practices fellatio
> in public.
Do you actually refer to your wife as the "Kroobitch" then, or is that
some construct we have for us on this shootin' match known as rao?
>
> >>If you go back and examine past posts by these folk, you'll
> >>find that they've repeatedly posted articles that contain
> >>the substance that was in the emails that Arny just
> >>received.
>
> Feng observes the truth. [QED] "The Resistance" has repeatedly made various kinds of
> insulting and gross pictoral and audio posts on binary newsgroups, and then
> posted pointers to them on RAO, and attempted to associate the names of people
> they disagree with as being characterized by those insulting and gross
> pictoral posts.
Arny, even Feng wouldn't back you on this, because all you are saying is
what's good for the goose isn't good for the gander. How many times on
this group have you made an insinuation that someone suck your dick or
kiss your butt cheek? (And shouldn't we make inferences about your wife
based on these references?) You constantly play yourself off as an
innocent victim in all of this, and you just seem like even more of a
filthy weasel and liar. What you are really complaining about is that
others on the group are more clever than you are.
trotsky
"Arny Krüger" wrote:
>
> Interesting that Atkinson runs away everytime I suggest we debate listening
> test methodologies. He just did it again, in a post I responded to yesterday.
Perhaps he just dislikes train wrecks.
trotsky
"Arny Krüger" wrote:
>
>
> You missed the "joy" of being Alan/Ellen/Alan/Derrida's daily target, to the
> tune of like 800 lines of abuse in 1 post, many post daily, for over a year.
> ;-(
>
> Other than Roy and Middus's slanders, nobody has ever come close...
Arny, this is the nastiest thing you have ever said about me. I'm hurt!
bfeng
I've thought a bit about my posts on this thread, and
I want to say that I shouldn't have posted these followups
specifically discussing your loss.
Despite what I think of your behavior in this group
(oscillates between intelligent audio posts, and
DESPICABLE personal attacks), it was and is stupid of
me to have brought up the topic of your daughter.
I'm sorry it happened, and I won't mention your loss
in any of my posts again.
I sincerely hope we and others can dispense with the
meaningless, vapid, stupid, nastiness and argue more about
audio than people's sexual preferences in the future.
The Devil wrote:
>
> On Fri, 26 Feb 1999 17:34:05 -0600, Gruvmyster
> <dhau...@idt.net> wrote:
>
> >> >Nope, Roy's. A bit surprising coming from someone whose daughter
> >> >passed away.
>
> >> Was that said before or after the death of my daughter?
>
> >> I suggest you do your research just a little more carefully.
>
> >So your argument is we all have to experience everything someone else goes
> >through to realize when we're crossing the line?
>
> Try again, Doug. John F said he was surprised that statement
> came from someone whose daughter passed away. It was said
> before that total devastation on our lives. Do you not think
> I regret what I have said? I tried to articulate my sorrow
> and regret the best way I could for Arnii, and also my
> sadness that I had been a total asshole and may have damaged
> him with some things I had said. Looks like I needn't have
> bothered worrying about it, however.
>
> But regardless, had I made any remark of that kind *after*
> my daughter's death, that would indeed - at least to me -
> indicate severe problems of one kind or another.
>
> >Roy, that surprises me.
>
> Perhaps because you did not understand.
>
> --
>
> Roy Briggs. Remove 'ZZ' for e-mail reply.
--
John Feng
bfeng
> (snip)
> >Roy, if you stick to real life I'd not have said anything
> >about you in this thread. That you have to drag all manner of
> >fabricated crap into your discussions is what I object to.
>
> Then killfile me.
I did some time ago. I un-killfiled it for this
"Which member.." thread.
John Feng
bfeng
For one who just complained that there's
not enough audio discussion and too much
nasty crap, you're as big a hypocrite as
I've ever seen in this newsgroup.
Also, your idea of discussing audio is to have
everyone agree with your opinions and malfunctioning
understanding of acoustics, electronics and hearing.
Whenever anyone disagrees with you, you spew forth
excrement and try to drive them out the discussion.
Some of the stated desires in your recent post (the one Ed liked)
are desires shared most rao participants (myself included).
If you were/are sincere about it, you could show it by
cutting down on the wealth (a poorly chosen term) of
non-audio, school-yard, personal insults.
The actions of youself and quite a few other members of the
"resistance" are evidence that you derive more pleasure from
attacking and insulting people than you do from discussing audio.
More than anything, that is what detracts from this being
an free and open forum for discussing audio.
trotsky wrote:
>
(snip)
>
> That would be the Bullshit Express, of course.
--
John Feng
bfeng
personal attacks on any other participant of
this newsgroup speaks volumes about your
personalities. That applies to both sides
of the fence too.
I'm sure George will chime in any moment to
tell us that this is the behavior of
champions of liberty or some other rot.
Right.
Steve Zipser (Sunshine Stereo) wrote:
>
> Geor(snip)
> >
> >George M. Middius
> >Remove "jiffy" to reply
>
> George, me and a friend are in tears of laughter reading the above!
> Zip
--
John Feng
Steve Zipser
You need to walk away, chill out, and learn how to smile.
Zip
In article <36D80C3A...@ibm.net>, bf...@ibm.net says...
--
LETS GO PANTHERS
Sunshine Stereo,Inc http://sunshinestereo.com Tel: 305-757-9358
9535 Biscayne Blvd Miami Shores, FL 33138 Fax: 305-757-1367
PASS Rega Miranda CODA Audible Illusions CEC Camelot Parasound ESP
Audio Logic Chiro Benz-Micro Dunlavy NEAR NHT Gallo Zenith Arcane
Mordaunt-Short EAD Vans-Evers Monster/ENTECH Straightwire Eggleston