Sheepish behavior -- Orenda responds

[carl...@maroon.tc.umn.edu]

Orenda's response to message below:

Sheepish behavior?????? Where??? A foul mouth for a 13 year old girl
maybe, but sheepish?? There is nothing wrong with admitting that you
did
something wrong and deserved to be punished. I don't think her
parents
should spank her bare, but it doesn't seem to have made her sheepish
to
me. Just maybe wiser.

To me, a wise child is not a child who accepts being hit with a willow
on a bare bottom -- that is a hurt child.

When you have kids, you don't expect them to acknowledge they were
wrong???

Yes, and I expect them to acknowledge when others have wronged them.
This little girl accepted her abuse, and felt she deserved it. She
was hurt, she was humiliated, and she was abused. Her acceptance is
sad.

LaVonne

Subject: Re: How old is too Old to Spank
From: oren...@aol.com (Orenda54)
Date: 1997/08/15
Message-Id: <19970815050...@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Newsgroups: alt.parenting.spanking
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>From: "George Chatzipetros" <ne...@mail.otenet.gr>
> Reijo Himanen wrote in article <01bca8b5$a47c7ca0$58940ac3@lifebook>...
>>Hi!
>>
>>I,m 13 yeras old girl from Finland. My parents have spanked me with a
>>willowswitch on a bare bottom. It hurts like hell, but it allso has made
>me
>>to behave and understand what is wrong. In my opinion yoy didn´t do
wrong
>>
>>Reijo
>>
>>
>
>For those anti-spankers that claim spanking is absolutely harmless for
>children ---> this posting is a perfect example of the sheepish behaviour
>spanking induces in children.
>
>

Orenda

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[Tyrone Webster]

I dont want to comment on the other things written by others, I just
want to give my own experiences and opinions on spanking kids.

When I was young I was spanked. At the time I certainly did not enjoy
the experience. But, none the less, whenever I did wrong I was
spanked. I hated it. Now that I am older I realize the reasons my
parents spanked me. When you are a child, you need to be taught early
what respect is and who to respect. If you ask me, I have a high
respect for my parents and people who are older than I because I was
spanked. If I had no respect for my parents(if they didnt spank me), I
would mostly likely be the problem child that every parent dread; the
type talks back to, doesnt listen to, and abuses their own parents. I
thank my parents for spanking my bottom and when I have children I will
enforce the same type of discipline that my parents used on me.

Tyrone Webster (age 16)

[D&H]

Another personal experience.....
My father used to "spank" us with a belt. Personally, I am opposed to
using objects other than open hands for spanking. Anyway, my sister and I
"learned" quickly. My father quit "spanking" us around the age of 7
because others told him that it was wrong and convinced him not to "hurt"
us. It was fine and dandy for my sister and I. My brother, on the other
hand (who was 6 when dad quit spanking) had a very troubled young life.
Reasoning didn't work. Good examples didn't work. He kept finding trouble
at his door. he set fires, he stole, he used and sold drugs, he would set
his jaw and clench his fist and walk right out the door daring my parents
to stop him. He dropped out of school at 15 saying "and there's nothing
you can do about it!" I am convinced that if my father had continued to
spank him for his serious misbehaviors as a young child that he would be a
much more well-adjusted adult now. He would have learned to respect
authority. He would not have had to experience the severe life threatening
"natural" consequences that he did (which, by the way, caused more
problems with his self-esteem and values than anything else).

> >
> > Yes, and I expect them to acknowledge when others have wronged them.
> > This little girl accepted her abuse, and felt she deserved it. She
> > was hurt, she was humiliated, and she was abused. Her acceptance is
> > sad.
> >
> > LaVonne
> >
> >

> > > Reijo Himanen wrote in article
<01bca8b5$a47c7ca0$58940ac3@lifebook>...
> > >>Hi!
> > >>
> > >>I,m 13 yeras old girl from Finland. My parents have spanked me with a
> > >>willowswitch on a bare bottom. It hurts like hell, but it allso has
made
> > >me
> > >>to behave and understand what is wrong. In my opinion yoy didn´t do
> > wrong
> > >>
> > >>Reijo
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >For those anti-spankers that claim spanking is absolutely harmless for
> > >children ---> this posting is a perfect example of the sheepish
behaviour
> > >spanking induces in children.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Orenda
> >
> >

> I dont want to comment on the other things written by others, I just

[Orenda54]

LaVonne wrote:
>Orenda wrote:

>> When you have kids, you don't expect them to acknowledge they were
>> wrong???
>>

>> Yes, and I expect them to acknowledge when others have wronged them.

honestly expect your children to admit when they were wrong?? Well then
why don't you admit that your posting that my son shot out a camper windo
was wrong....

Why don't you admit you asked him to quote that twice, that you would be
delighted to discuss it, and didn't, then said you had discussed it
before..... Out and out LIES... ( your normal reaction to about everything
here....

>> This little girl accepted her abuse, and felt she deserved it. She
>> was hurt, she was humiliated, and she was abused. Her acceptance is
>> sad.
>>

Yep she was abused. However, you have abused me continually on this
newsgroup, and especially my child, and yet you expect me to just accept
it??

Fat chance.

Orenda
who knows LaVonne will just ignore this too, no way to prove I'm wrong
about any of this.