Definition of the term "multiplayer"...
Dick Garage
http://www.3000ad.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=2;t=001124#000005
Yup, Derek now claims BCM multiplayer won't be released or it will be lan only
if there is alot of bitching. Gory details in the link above!
Comedy post in the thread, Derek getting pissed at someone bitching:
>Supreme Cmdr
>
>Supreme Cmdr [GALCOM]
>Member # 308
>
>Member Rated:
> posted 12-23-2002 08:17 AM
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>quote:
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>Originally posted by Romale:
>as multiplayer as industry standard == internet play.
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Rubbish
>
>By the same token, in this instance, yes, I did mean LAN/NET play,
>which is why both are in the FAQ.
>
>
>quote:
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>i would of just stuck to bc3000 and waited for bcm gold to come out
>had i known,
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>BCM Gold was not announced until a short time ago. And until this
>Dreamcatcher deal, it still wasn't final - as most of my posts here
>and elsewhere have indicated.
>
>
>quote:
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>while your games are great, your business practices seem questionable
>at times and frankly uncle sam doesn't pay me enough to not be
>iritated by it.
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>My business practices? Are kidding me? Did you PAY me for ALL the
>feature enhancements (I'm not talking bugs) I implemented in BCM
>during the past year? And for $9.99 (yes, I know *exactly* when you
>bought BCM), what gives you the right to question MY decisions and
>seemingly insult me in the process?
>
>Here's a thought. Why don't you write to the Florida BBB? Be sure to
>tell them exactly what is written on the BCM box wrt multiplayer
>m'kay?
>
>
>quote:
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>while i am just one consumer out of many and feelings probably
>insignificant. i just wanted to state my view of the whole thing cause
>damnit its just not doing the right thing
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Oh? Lemme see. First it was my questionable business practices; now
>its the right thing?
>
>Let me explain something to you. I didn't promise you or anyone JACK.
>I said that it would be available for download when available and
>thats the way it is. I haven't done what other companies do by
>blatantly listing features on a game box and either not including them
>in the game itself nor made available as a patch.
>
>And in case there was any doubts, DreamCatcher has NO rights to BCM.
>They only have rights to BCM Gold and BCG. So, I can do what I bloody
>well want and it will be my decision to make AS I SEE FIT.
>
>I have stated my position. I have stated my thoughts. I have stated my
>concerns. What you do with them is entirely YOUR problem. I know that
>I am operating within legal and FTC guidelines. And if you knew
>anything about me, you wouldn't be giving me crap over this.
>
>What I decide to do in the end with be my decision and it will be
>final. You are welcome to rave, rant, scream and have a good cry about
>it.
>
>[ 12-23-2002, 08:19 AM: Message edited by: Supreme Cmdr ]
>
>--------------------
>President, 3000AD Inc.
>Designer/Lead Developer
>The Battlecruiser Series
>
>"Dealing with publishers is like stepping through a minefield.
>In the dark. Blindfolded. With people shooting at you.
>And your ex mother-in-law giving you directions."
>
>
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>Posts: 11244 | From: FT. Lauderdale, Florida | Registered: Oct 98 |
>IP: Logged
--
"Remember the rule about NOT having ANY spelling errors in thread
subjects?" - Derek Smart, site forum
Radio Free CSIPGS-S
> http://www.3000ad.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=2;t=001124#000005
> Yup, Derek now claims BCM multiplayer won't be released or it will be lan only
> if there is alot of bitching. Gory details in the link above!
How predictable: A plagiarist detractor who claims my anti-Derek scoop as his own.
Talk about stealing credit!
Xan
news:9d4u0vsmv09i39iit...@4ax.com...
> SHIT !!! I was really looking forward to posting to the BC300ad forums
> from the multi player lobby like Derek did.
If you want, I can work my Usenet lobby into a releasable version. =D
> Damn looking at the thread it looks like Epsilon 5 is about to get in
> trouble with the supreme one, again.
This should be fun.
// Xan, Ph.D.
// I worship His Shadow.
Xan
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> >Posts: 11244 | From: FT. Lauderdale, Florida | Registered: Oct 98 |
> >IP: Logged
Fascinating. I guess that 65536-acre mansion in Weston was too much for him to
hold on to as well?
Allan Parent
release....and it will only be LAN? Lol! Come on, what con artist thought
this one up? If I read correctly, DS is debating even releasing a free patch
vs forcing folks to buy BCM gold for MP. Epsilon 5 has some very valid
points regarding LAN games. Too bad he backed down.
Allan
"Dick Garage" <di...@garage.invalid> wrote in message
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>
>
Bill Huffman
"Allan Parent" <all...@nospamforme.charter.net> wrote in message
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> OMG. So the infamous MP patch will finally come out over a year after
BCM's
> release....and it will only be LAN? Lol! Come on, what con artist thought
> this one up? If I read correctly, DS is debating even releasing a free
patch
> vs forcing folks to buy BCM gold for MP. Epsilon 5 has some very valid
> points regarding LAN games. Too bad he backed down.
It looked like to me that he simply accepted the fact that Derek is a
megalomaniac that would just dig his heels in further if he were confronted
with reason. No reason for him to fight a lost battle. What it means to me
is that more of the Taco Palace toadies are realizing that Derek is a liar
that can't be trusted.
Xan
> Nope he folded only two post later. ;(
Yeah, he has some sense, but above all, he's still a toad. =/
Xan
> Yeah that should be a blast 2 player MP. YEEEEHAAAAA !!!
Dewey must be real bad if he doubts his own ability to be efficient enough
even for a LAN implementation!
> fool me once shame on you fool me twice......
>
> Better hope MP isn't disabled in BGMG or it may also never see the
> light of day?
Cross your fingers [and cut them off =].
> No kidding, did he make a 180 in record time or what ?
It's the Palace after all.
Dick Garage
>What it means to me is that more of the Taco Palace toadies
>are realizing that Derek is a liar that can't be trusted.
No doubt.
Epsilon's post was the perfect example. It was as if he realized all of the
sudden that everything about the SC was true and there was no point in getting
banned for trying to reason with excellent points. I've said it before, the SC
Soap Opera is great entertainment and we don't have to plunk our $49.99 down to
enjoy it!
--
*****************************************
"BUT, before I make the final decision to
not release a free downloadable mp patch,
I'd probably do a poll. And if BC fans
are pissed about it, well then, I'd
release the patch. And make it LAN only.
Multiplayer is still multiplayer."
*****************************************
Lance Art
<all...@nospamforme.charter.net> wrote:
>vs forcing folks to buy BCM gold for MP. Epsilon 5 has some very valid
>points regarding LAN games. Too bad he backed down.
Epsilon 5 has a decent head on his shoulders, he just has an
unfortunate habit of parking it in the wrong place.
Ethel the Ardvaark
> release....and it will only be LAN? Lol! Come on, what con artist thought
> this one up? If I read correctly, DS is debating even releasing a free patch
> vs forcing folks to buy BCM gold for MP. Epsilon 5 has some very valid
> points regarding LAN games. Too bad he backed down.
Derek is a reknowned liar. He shafted his customers before, and it
seems he's not above doing it again. The best predictor of future
behaviour is the past. Note that this is the verbatim text from the
BCM box about multiplayer.
<quote>
Optional Multiplayer*
Requirements
---------------------
Internet and LAN
supported over TCP/IP
Internet client requires
56K or Broadband modem
Internet server requires
Broadband, T1 or ISDN
* A free multiplayer update
will be available for
download from 3000ad.com
when ready
</quote>
Xan
news:92ba3e7.02123...@posting.google.com...
> reknowned
*BING*
Bill Huffman
"Allan Parent" <all...@nospamforme.charter.net> wrote in message
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> release....and it will only be LAN? Lol! Come on, what con artist thought
> this one up? If I read correctly, DS is debating even releasing a free patch
> vs forcing folks to buy BCM gold for MP. Epsilon 5 has some very valid
> points regarding LAN games. Too bad he backed down.
Before BCM was ever released, my prediction was that Derek would never release
the promised multiplayer patch. My theory was that it would be available so late
after release that no one would care very much about the patch anymore. (A
sprinkling of hard-core fans at the Taco Palace is not a financial base to be
concerned with.) If he actually does release the LAN version then I guess I
would have to admit that I was partially wrong. What, maybe a third wrong? I'm
still not too worried, in his mind his "poll" has probably already shown that
only one or two fans were not liking his idea and they decided it was okay in
the end.
I enjoy his story that it will mean too many versions to support. It's obvious
that he just wants to force as many of his loyal fans to buy the new version as
is possible.
I must admit that I'm amazed that 7 years after the DOA game was released in
1996, Derek has now apparently managed to release the same basic game 3 times!
BC3K2.0, BCM, and BCMG. Basically BC3K2.0 was the exact same as the final
patched BC3K1.0 (it had inferior support for Voodoo but apparently that didn't
help the graphics much at all). BCM was basically just upgraded graphics (the
added new careers are reportedly useless). BCMG will just have multiplayer
(which was promised for BCM). On top of all that he apprently got a publishing
deal to provide a fourth reheated-left-over version of battlecruiser. (I forget
what new features are promised because a Derek promise is so totally worthless
it's not worth trying to remember.)
Epsilon 5
> Nope he folded only two post later. ;(
aww
JS
The Good Doctor has been backed into a corner, and so has finally spelled it
all out for us . . . I can't believe it was so clear all along. A 13-step
plan. Who would have thunk it??
By the way, he's gotten quite fond of telling people to "Go read the FAQ"
(or some other variation of it). Maybe this could replace "The Freight
Train is Coming" as his new catch-phrase.
-----
quote:
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--
Originally posted by PipBoy:
I see a link promoting what is at this point vaporware.
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--
You didn't see a link. You went searching for it. Which is how come you came
across the archives - whcih are not on the main page.
I'm going to keep this simple because I know you confuse easily. So, hold
still.
1.. BCM went into developent in Nov/Dec of 1999
2.. Multiplayer, like so many other features that didn't make the cut, was
just that, another feature
3.. That dev diary you posted was from 05-08-2000. And if you actually
read all the BCM dev diary archives and soapbox archives, instead of doing a
selective cut 'n paste, you'd get the picture.
4.. What picture? I hear you ask. The picture depicted right here in the
first paragraph of the 04-16-2001 dev diary.
5.. Given the picture, I opted to not include a less than satisfactory mp
component into BCM and shipped it without. The game shipped in November of
2001 - many months after I had posted publicly and on my forums about the
lack of multiplayer. Nobody bitched about it. Nor did they bitch about the
plethora of free features which have been implemented into BCM; amidst the
continued support, bug fixes etc. This, the BC fan base has become
accustomed to.
6.. I finally unveiled my grand scheme for a unified multiplayer component
in order to cut down on the work involved, support and stability issues etc
etc. Then I unveiled www.battlecruiser.net portal on that day.
7.. With BCM Gold being released, the support issue is still there because
once BCG is released later in 2003, we'd have three specific single and
multi player games to support and upkeep. While sharing similar kernels,
they have different features and those features are primarily what keeps
them unique. I decided to make it easy for everyone by not bothering with
the free downloadable component for BCM simply because, knowing that the BCM
Gold version is more advanced (for obvious reasons), I know that it won't be
worth the hassle to make available and support a multiplayer game based on a
1999 kernel and for a game that will not be available for sale once EB's
units run out sometime next month.
8.. My decision, while not final by any stretch of the imagination, is
still my decision and I don't care who doesn't like it. If I have to release
a downloadable mp component for BCM, I will, but its support will lag behind
current BC titles such as BCM Gold and BCG, going forward.
9.. And I know my fanbase (and I'm not talking the peripheral flaky
fly-by-night stragglers); as such, I know for a fact that they'd rather have
the advanced and fully support mp than anything.
10.. Further, there is a $10 rebate (on a $29.99 game) from Dreamcatcher
to existing owners of BCM. BCM Gold contains more than a year of revisions,
updates and a fully integrated multiplayer component, which, in fact uses
the mp kernel from BCG.
11.. Now, if BCM owners don't think BCM Gold is worth $19.99 to them,
thats their problem, not mine. They don't have to buy it. It makes NO
difference to me whatsoever. Thats why gamers have the power to make
choices. I'm not getting involved in any hand holding as I never have. Its
the same premise I have adopted all these years. You like my games, buy
them. If you don't, then walk on by.
12.. DC didn't have to offer a rebate, but they did. Do you think people
would rather make less money for NO reason? DC had NO hand in BCM whatsoever
and didn't have to offer a rebate. And if I tell them to retract it, they
probably would.
13.. Most of the people making a mountain out of molehill are those who
don't even own the damn game. And I decide not to release a free
downloadable component and that makes me lose a few fans here there. Well
then, in every battle there can and will be collateral damage. Some
decisions aren't easy to make - but when I make mine, come what may, I stick
to them. Thats who I am.
And btw, has anyone heard the fate of the promised mp component for Mafia
(and a bunch of other games)? No? Go check. Last I heard, it had been
canned. Did you hear the one about CIVII expansion pack for multiplayer? No?
Go read up on it.
Finally, this interview which I did last week (I did a bunch of them) and
which just got released this evening, also explains my current mp strategy.
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JS
"JS" <non...@no.com> wrote in message
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I forgot to add . . . I always love when a dev. damns his own game. (See
Simple Step#13)
Allan Parent
dollar out of his shrinking fanbase. Maybe he is? $19.95 for yet another
version of BCM just so they can play over a LAN....lol!
Allan
"JS" <non...@no.com> wrote in message
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Gordon
<all...@nospamforme.charter.net> wrote:
>All this does is make it sound like he is trying to squeeze every last
>dollar out of his shrinking fanbase. Maybe he is? $19.95 for yet another
>version of BCM just so they can play over a LAN....lol
Just think, you could hold a lan party in a very small room!!
Lance Art
<all...@nospamforme.charter.net> wrote:
>All this does is make it sound like he is trying to squeeze every last
>dollar out of his shrinking fanbase. Maybe he is? $19.95 for yet another
>version of BCM just so they can play over a LAN....lol!
Astoundingly, Derek states
"If you knew anything about anything, let alone my games, you would
know that multiplayer was never in the game nor planned to be in the
game"
What and absolute bald-faced lie. Or maybe it's the truth. But it
certainly is at odds with his statement that multiplayer was done, but
turned off.
Derek si so full of shit I'm surprised he can still breathe. He must
have gills that convert crap into oxygen.
Xan
news:4as11v8qamvgnkcik...@4ax.com...
> Astoundingly, Derek states
>
> "If you knew anything about anything, let alone my games, you would
> know that multiplayer was never in the game nor planned to be in the
> game"
>
> What and absolute bald-faced lie. Or maybe it's the truth.
It apparently is the truth -- and what we 'freaks' have basically been getting
at since... an eternity ago, despite his mega hype machine.
> But it
> certainly is at odds with his statement that multiplayer was done, but
> turned off.
Shocker!
> Derek si so full of shit I'm surprised he can still breathe. He must
> have gills that convert crap into oxygen.
I think he natively runs on crap. I'm pretty sure there's a linker switch for
that.
Gordon
Bill Huffman
Mr. Smart apparently has a terminal case of dishonesty. His case is so chronic
that it has become definitive of Mr. Smart's whole character. Mr. Smart's
fabrications are more important to him than is reality. The literature makes
reference to those with severe cases of NPD (narcissist personality disorder)
being highly likely to fabricate stories especially regarding accomplishments
but not only restricted to accomplishments. Mr. Smart weaves fabrications in
order to manipulate and control others. For example, he had Dan Brooks tightly
wrapped and strung up like a puppet.
I believe that the real reason that Derek no longer posts on Usenet is that he
finally realized that he cannot afford to have his exact words archived. He
really is a most expert liar, especially in conversation. His whole speech and
thought pattern is to lie. He has absolutely perfected the art of lie by
implication. What I mean by that is that he describes two separate lines of
thought at the same time but never directly makes a link between the two
stories. He just lets the listener make the connection. For example on the
Planetcrap web forum he tried to smear me with racism.
*****start of Derek's complete post on Planetcrap ********
#419 by Derek Smart
09/09/2001 16:04
sunw-65-34-228-118.pompano.net
dsm...@3000ad.com
http://www.3000ad.com/
#335 deadlock
xero:I bought Battlecruiser not because it was a genre I was interested in, but
because it was made by a black developer whom I felt deserved the support of the
black gaming community.
Although I laud you for standing on your principles and not buying products that
you feel don't represent you and your ancestry, come on: buying something purely
because it is developed by a black person ? Gimme a break... I'm sure Derek
would be more appreciative if you purchased the game based on it's merits and
Derek's merits as a game designer and programmer.
heh, he's not along though. You should see some of the emails I get. The weird
thing is (a) I do NOT support affirmative action, because, IMHO, it is a form of
segregation (b) nothing should be about Black, White or Amber (c) As you said,
games should be bought and judged based on merit, not the race, color or creed
of the developer.
Its the same old nonsense going on in Hollywood, where you have people
clamouring about not even 'Blacks' being in movies etc. EVERY time I see that or
similar arguments, it just makes me whince. Then, I go out in public (which is
why I don't go out much), and someone starts talking to you in lingo ("....what
up bro?") and I just wonder if they really speak like that around the world
(just kiddding, of course they do). Then I respond in *perfect* English (sans
the Brit portion) and I get looked at funny. It gets worse when I actually get
to *talk* to people, rather than just stare at them. The next thing you know,
they're asking the inevitable "....you're not from here, are you?". My typical
response is ".....no, I'm just visiting from another dimension". That gets them
every time. Of course, by this time, they've discarded me as a kook. All the
better, since I get to be left alone. I swear, for as many times as I've moved,
I can't remember *any* of my neighbors - Black, White, Hispanic or Martian.
When someone sends you email praising you for being a Black developer in a White
dominated industry, how do you respond? They're expecting sort of bonding type
response. I don't frigging get it. But then again, that is not to say that there
aren't those who don't take this (me being part-Black) into account and
attacking me for it in subtle ways (without outright saying it). In fact, that
kid, Louis (part of Huffman's detractor consortium) flat out called me an
inferior programmer because I was Black. That got him banned from so many ISPs,
we've lost count. Don't take my word for it, read this
www.3000ad.com/temp/louisJM.zip. It all comes with the territory I guess. *sigh*
Anyway, on a lighter note, here are today's complimentary shots :-)
New pre-Gold BCM shots
************* end of Derek's post ********
Latter Derek plays a similar trick that attempts to associate the Flame War
Follies site with white supremacy and child porn sites.
*********piece of follow-up post by Derek ******
Go figure. Thats ALL that loser does. But of course, people like him just skirt
the law. And because he's in CA and I'm in FL, he can use the Net to his
advantage and do wtf he likes. Its guys like him (and those with websites
promoting child porn, White supremacy, how-to-commit-suicide etc) that make most
of us *want* the govt. to police the net. This thing called free speech is the
*only* reason why guys like him can pull off shit like this. Can you even begin
to imagine this loser slandering me to my face? I mean, just think about it for
a minute. No, buy on the Net, him and his friends can commit libel all day long.
I've spent *enough* money on attorney fees and time, closing down one site or
the next. He just moves on to the next ISP. Libel, even if it is clear and cut
(as in this case), is not the easiest case to prove. All I can do, is what I
have been doing, posting over and over again that its false. At least when it
all comes to a head and he gets dragged into court, he won't be able to hide
behind the ignorance of the truth defensive which libel offenders are used to
hiding behind.
***********end of snippet********
Derek was apprently totally surprised that his lies on Planetcrap would be
caught. No one that he knew of in the Planetcrap thread had any knowledge of me
or the true facts of the Usenet flame war. An hour and a 36 minutes after he
posted the first post I copied above, I responded to his false accusation. The
funny part of this story is that he used the following post of mine on
Planetcrap as proof that I stalk him on the Internet and all I was doing was
responding to his libelous accusation that I was racist!
The link to the Planetcrap thread on the following page used to point to the
thread that I have archived and have provided quotes from in this post.
http://www.ivic.cncdsl.com/cyberstalker/pages/bill.html
**** my reponse that is used in the link above to try to prove that I'm a
Cyberstalker***
#420 by Bill Huffman
09/09/2001 17:40
dt017ndc.san.rr.com
bhuf...@san.rr.com
http://follies.werewolves.org/
In #419 Mr. Smart says,
"In fact, that kid, Louis (part of Huffman's detractor consortium) flat out
called me an inferior programmer because I was Black."
Mr. Smart you really should stop trying to unfairly smear others with racism.
You are a kook because of a defective personality. It has absolutely nothing to
do with race. You are just telling whatever lie that at this moment you believe
will make you look the best. This act of trying to smear people that know you to
be a fraud and liar with racism is an ongoing lie with you.
Mr. Smart, you even forged racist email in an attempt to win sympathy and
explain away why people would call you a fraud and a liar. People call you a
fraud and a liar because you are. It has absolutely nothing to with your race.
Here's the proof that Mr. Smart did forge racist email. He posted the forged
email on www.EvilAvatar.com and on the Usenet. He posted the full header of the
email and the header indicated that the email as posted was much longer than the
email received by Mr. Smart. I know what part Mr. Smart forged because Mr. Smart
himself a few months prior to this incident had posted the email as originally
received to Usenet.
*****end of my Planetcrap post ********
Xan
news:AV9Q9.195390$%k2.54...@twister.socal.rr.com...
> Latter Derek plays a similar trick that attempts to associate the Flame War
> Follies site with white supremacy and child porn sites.
Wait a minute, wait a minute! I remember some crap like that at VE -- someone
implying that your site was tied to pr0n -- wasn't it butterjelly sisko?
Bill Huffman
"Xan" <m...@1.com> wrote in message
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I assume that sisko (or was is cisko?) was a Derek alias. I guess that his super
supporter on VE3D that accused me of being into child porn was Dan Brooks. The
online relationship between sisko and him and his posting style as well as the
fact that he admitted that he hadn't ever played BC point to the guy as being
Dan Brooks. Also Dan Brooks had a warped sense of justice whereby he would do
exactly what he thought was despicable to demonstrate how despicable it was. In
this case I had stated that Derek's middle name was Kevin and Dan Brooks(?) was
disgusted because he thought that I was lying about having real evidence that
Derek's middle name was Kevin so he accussed me of being into child porn. When I
posted a link to a website that showed Derek's middle name was actually Kevin
then Dan Brooks(?) disappeared which is also his typical modus operandi.
I also note that Derek contacted the fellow that had revealed his middle name
was Kevin and got him to remove references to Kevin and then tried to accuse me
of fabricating the whole thing (using his famous lie by implication). What he
forgot is that the web search engines would still have "Derek Kevin Smart" in
their index so his lie was exposed.
Xan
> I assume that sisko (or was is cisko?) was a Derek alias.
Now why would that be? =D
> I guess that his super
> supporter on VE3D that accused me of being into child porn was Dan Brooks.
The
> online relationship between sisko and him and his posting style as well as
the
> fact that he admitted that he hadn't ever played BC point to the guy as
being
> Dan Brooks. Also Dan Brooks had a warped sense of justice whereby he would
do
> exactly what he thought was despicable to demonstrate how despicable it was.
In
> this case I had stated that Derek's middle name was Kevin and Dan Brooks(?)
was
> disgusted because he thought that I was lying about having real evidence
that
> Derek's middle name was Kevin so he accussed me of being into child porn.
How logical. =)
> When I
> posted a link to a website that showed Derek's middle name was actually
Kevin
> then Dan Brooks(?) disappeared which is also his typical modus operandi.
I see.
> I also note that Derek contacted the fellow that had revealed his middle
name
> was Kevin and got him to remove references to Kevin and then tried to accuse
me
> of fabricating the whole thing (using his famous lie by implication). What
he
> forgot is that the web search engines would still have "Derek Kevin Smart"
in
> their index so his lie was exposed.
Yeah, I remember that.
Still though, I'm pretty sure bluejay said he didn't want to visit the Follies
site because it contained pr0n [as opposed to not wanting to have to dispute
the truth in plain view =]. Note that I'm not specifically referring to child
pr0n here, just pr0n in general.
Memnoch
>On Mon, 30 Dec 2002 18:56:20 -0600, "Allan Parent"
><all...@nospamforme.charter.net> wrote:
>
>>All this does is make it sound like he is trying to squeeze every last
>>dollar out of his shrinking fanbase. Maybe he is? $19.95 for yet another
>>version of BCM just so they can play over a LAN....lol!
>
>Astoundingly, Derek states
>
>"If you knew anything about anything, let alone my games, you would
>know that multiplayer was never in the game nor planned to be in the
>game"
>
>What and absolute bald-faced lie. Or maybe it's the truth. But it
>certainly is at odds with his statement that multiplayer was done, but
>turned off.
Yeah. I distinctly remember him saying, nay boasting, that MP was "trivial" to
implement and in fact was already developed and working but had just been
switched off.
Brad Martin
>I assume that sisko (or was is cisko?) was a Derek alias. I guess that his super
>supporter on VE3D that accused me of being into child porn was Dan Brooks. The
>online relationship between sisko and him and his posting style as well as the
>fact that he admitted that he hadn't ever played BC point to the guy as being
>Dan Brooks.
I would say it would be a fair assumption that cisko was Derek, he
didn't seem to have any real point and he certainly had that Derek
'feel' about him, and I would say that's what gave you, me and others,
the impression it was him. But it's still just an assumption. The
supporter being Brooksie is more of a reach though, although, if
that's your opinion you're entitled to state it, and before I go on, I
want to point out that i'm not saying it was or wasn't - I have no
idea - just that it's assumption only.
> Also Dan Brooks had a warped sense of justice whereby he would do
>exactly what he thought was despicable to demonstrate how despicable it was. In
>this case I had stated that Derek's middle name was Kevin and Dan Brooks(?) was
>disgusted because he thought that I was lying about having real evidence that
>Derek's middle name was Kevin so he accussed me of being into child porn. When I
>posted a link to a website that showed Derek's middle name was actually Kevin
>then Dan Brooks(?) disappeared which is also his typical modus operandi.
You need to be more careful here. I understand your revulsion at
accusations of that nature, for me there is nothing worse, and I
firmly believe this kind of filth to be utterly off the scale and that
anybody who throws this shit around just to score points needs nothing
less than the shit kicked out of them. But even though I do not
believe you to be lying about your suspicions, when dealing with this
kind of stuff I think you need to be a little more objective with your
presentation. Just attaching a question mark in brackets after the
name is too weak a qualifier in this instance.
Pedantry?
Semantics?
Perhaps both.
If you were discussing the fact that this assumed person was an
arsehole, or a toady, or a fraud, then i'd have no complaint, but
whoever this fucker was, he/she was using the lowest tactics there are
and just as it's unforgivable to make groundless accusations of this
nature against you, I feel you need to watch how you present your
suspicions in turn. I know I probably seem out of line here Bill, and
I haven't taken a New Years resolution to give you a hard time believe
me, but often these 'suggestions' have a habit of becoming 'facts'.
Easy to check the record right?
Easy to see you didn't actually say any such thing, sure, but when
accusations of this kind are bandied about, I don't think intimations
from any side are acceptable. 'Whoever' or 'he/she' would have
sufficed just as well after you stated your initial suspicions.
So who the fuck am I right? Usenet cop? It'd be a fair point no doubt,
I just don't want to see that kind of stuff become just another form
of ammunition, another cheap shot, it's happened before around here
and it changes everything, it's just is *not* the fucking same as all
the other shit that goes on around here.
Just my long winded opinion, i'd welcome your retort, I know it would
be measured, and I promise to leave you the fuck alone for the rest of
the week :)
Peace Bill.
br d
Bill Huffman
"Brad Martin" <br...@zakalwe.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:kgd91v0o6dvfejmfk...@4ax.com...
I thought I made it clear that it was only a strong suspicion on my part that it
was in fact Dan Brooks. Dan was the only supporter that I know of that didn't
play Battlecruiser. Anyway, the other stuff was my feeble attempt to explain my
reasoning as to why I had that strong suspicion. I got lazy qualifying that it
was just my suspicion in that explanation so I used a question mark inside of
paranthesis. I don't believe that it was really insufficient to get across the
fact that I was just expressing my strong suspicion since I had already
explicitly stated it as such.
If I try to turn it around in an attempt to get a more objective view, let's say
that Mr. QuestionMark (who I suspect was Dan Brooks) had some real suspicion
that I was into child porn rather than just making up bullshit out of thin air
in order to be more insulting. If he had given his theory and then given the
reasons for his suspicions I would do my best to address those reasons but in
the process I would not consider Mr. QuestionMark (who I suspect was Dan Brooks)
the scum of the earth. My point being that you seemed to be drawing an analogy
between the two actions and my argument is that the analogy breaks down because
Mr. QuestionMark (who I suspect was Dan Brooks) really had no basis for his
suspicion and in fact I don't believe that he even really had such a suspicion
in the first place.
Regarding the stating of my strong suspicion hurting Hypocrite Dan's reputation,
I would just like to remind you that Dan is that one that went off the deep end
on Typhon (IIRC) because Typhon thought people should contact Interplay and warn
Interplay about Derek because it might somehow jeopordize an already signed
contract.
http://follies.werewolves.org/archives/1Toady/Derek-DanBashThemselves.txt He had
threatened to contact my employer before this incident. After this incident (see
link above) he then subsequently contacted my employer in a thinly veiled
attempt to damage my livleyhood. The ridiculous accusation that I was into child
pornography is very mild compared to his previous actions, at least IMHO.
Listen Brad, I always enjoy your posts, even when (especially when) you are
expressing a difference of opinion. It keeps things interesting and real.
MajorFreak
> >
> > "If you knew anything about anything, let alone my games, you would
> > know that multiplayer was never in the game nor planned to be in the
> > game"
> >
> > What and absolute bald-faced lie. Or maybe it's the truth. But it
> > certainly is at odds with his statement that multiplayer was done, but
> > turned off.
> >
> > Derek si so full of shit I'm surprised he can still breathe. He must
> > have gills that convert crap into oxygen.
>
> finally realized that he cannot afford to have his exact words archived. He
> really is a most expert liar, especially in conversation. His whole speech and
> thought pattern is to lie. He has absolutely perfected the art of lie by
> implication. What I mean by that is that he describes two separate lines of
> thought at the same time but never directly makes a link between the two
> stories. He just lets the listener make the connection. For example on the
> Planetcrap web forum he tried to smear me with racism.
>
> *****start of Derek's complete post on Planetcrap ********
> #419 by Derek Smart
> 09/09/2001 16:04
> sunw-65-34-228-118.pompano.net
>
> dsm...@3000ad.com
> http://www.3000ad.com/
> #335 deadlock
>
> xero:I bought Battlecruiser not because it was a genre I was interested in, but
> because it was made by a black developer whom I felt deserved the support of the
> black gaming community.
>
LOL. you sir have waaaaaaaaaaay too much time on your hands. You know,
i never knew he was black, nor have i actually played his BCM game.
Funny how i don't even know what he looks like nor how his game is
like, and yet i find i'm judging him to be a complete arse based
solely on the fact he's a compulsive liar? how strange.
Perhaps merit includes the qualification of honesty too.
Brad Martin
Xan
> *BING!*
What did I tell you about punctuation and emphasis marks?
Brad Martin
I've been thinking hard on this one for a few days Bill. Your points
are all relevant, my argument is mainly one of degree.
I had a lot of stuff to say but i'm going to drop it and run away.
The views I hold are not contrary to yours and I'm well aware of the
events to which you allude and to the injustice you feel about them. I
happen to agree with you. There are however, certain issues that just
get me wound up. The last time I got into this I stopped even reading
usenet for 5 months because I was so angry. Your own advice to me was
instrumental in my re-installing Agent and getting back on the horse
(btw - so if everyone's sick of all the old shite I post, it's Huffman
and Lemmings fault!), and i'm determined not to recycle all that rage
and nonsense I made such a fool of myself with last time. It's not
your views that I disagree with per se, just some of the stuff that is
considered above the water line around here.
And i'm surprised that it bothers me anyway, because i'm the most
cynical, soulless, valueless fucker in just about every area of
morality and belief I can think of. So i'll keep this at arms length,
and I shouldn't have brought it up. (Pure, fucking cowardice and no
mistake).
Thanks.
br d
(But i'm still going to jump on you if I sniff hypocrisy. You get too
much of an easy ride around here lately :) ).
Bill Huffman
Bill Huffman
Oops, sorry for the empty post. The biggest disagreement with what you said is
your statement that you made a fool of yourself in the past. If you did then I
sure didn't see it. Please feel free to email me if you'd rather discuss it in
that forum.
Cheers,
Bill
Brad Martin
<bhuf...@REMOVE-THISsan.rr.com> wrote:
Lol! No problem, I do it all the time, even when i've actually
written stuff!
>The biggest disagreement with what you said is
>your statement that you made a fool of yourself in the past. If you did then I
>sure didn't see it. Please feel free to email me if you'd rather discuss it in
>that forum.
Thanks.
But it doesn't need dredging up again, for the sake of our sanity :)
Our previous email correspondence gave me plenty of food for thought -
and at risk of getting all group-huggy - was a very big help, in a
'seeing the wood for the trees' type of way.
I owe you one for that, you no-good, obsessive, cyber-stalking, weirdo
with way too much time on your hands.
br d
Xan
> Our previous email correspondence gave me plenty of food for thought -
(whistles =)
Bret Ripley
> "Brad Martin" <br...@zakalwe.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:0lmj1voie8m9st0ll...@4ax.com...
> > Our previous email correspondence gave me plenty of food for thought -
>
> (whistles =)
Are you short and stout?
Have you a handle? Have you a spout?
Bret
Xan
news:MPG.18838bdc3...@news.ywave.com...
> Are you short and stout?
> Have you a handle? Have you a spout?
heh, look whose talking.
Bret Ripley
> "Bret Ripley" <rip...@olywa.net> wrote in message
> news:MPG.18838bdc3...@news.ywave.com...
> > Are you short and stout?
> > Have you a handle? Have you a spout?
>
> heh, look whose
*BING*
Recently Reactivated Rear Private E. Bretanica
HMS Bounty
3rd Tactical-Galactical (occasionally Practical) Star Squadron
"Hurry Starblazers: there are only 37 days left!"
Xan
> *BING*
Rule #16384: Thou shalt not *BING*eth me for sloppiness when it iseth part of
a parody.
> Recently Reactivated Rear Private
[ugly details thnipped to protect the innocent]
Bret Ripley
> "Bret Ripley" <rip...@olywa.net> wrote in message
> news:MPG.188395b82...@news.ywave.com...
> > *BING*
>
> Rule #16384: Thou shalt not *BING*eth me for sloppiness when it iseth part of
> a parody.
That wasn't a parody -- it was a travesty.
> > Recently Reactivated Rear Private
>
> [ugly details thnipped to protect the innocent]
Would it be impertinent of me to observe that jealousy does not suit
you?
Bret
Xan
> That wasn't a parody -- it was a travesty.
Hmm.
Thanks for clearing that up, rear private.
> Would it be impertinent of me to observe that jealousy does not suit
> you?
I have no idea what you're talking about - but when you find out what is is,
let me know, m'kay?
Bret Ripley
> "Bret Ripley" <rip...@olywa.net> wrote in message
> news:MPG.1883aa5d1...@news.ywave.com...
> > That wasn't a parody -- it was a travesty.
>
> Hmm.
>
> Thanks for clearing that up, rear private.
stunning today? =H
> > Would it be impertinent of me to observe that jealousy does not suit
> > you?
>
> I have no idea what you're talking about - but when you find out what is is,
> let me know, m'kay?
Great post, SC! =H
You are obviously doing parody again, in which case you are being
devilishly clever, as always! =H
Anyway, I've been away for awhile and need to catch up on all the latest
messages and announcements. I can't wait until you release the MP
patch! =H This is going to kick so much a$$! =H
Rr. Pvt. etc. etc.
Lemming
Ooh! Ooh! I know this one.
--
Lemming
Curiosity *may* have killed Schrödinger's cat.
Bill Huffman
...
> Anyway, I've been away for awhile and need to catch up on all the latest
> messages and announcements. I can't wait until you release the MP
> patch! =H This is going to kick so much a$$! =H
What rubbish, MP was done being coded December 2000. I just need to turn it on.
I will turn it on just as soon as my Viagra gets here.
Xan
> Anytime, SC. Has anyone told you that you are looking particularly
> stunning today? =H
We already know that, thanks
> Great post, SC! =H
>
> You are obviously doing parody again, in which case you are being
> devilishly clever, as always! =H
heh
> Anyway, I've been away for awhile and need to catch up on all the latest
> messages and announcements. I can't wait until you release the MP
> patch! =H This is going to kick so much a$$! =H
Yes, please kick so much money in our direction. Its fun milking you like
that.
Xan
> What rubbish, MP was done being coded December 2000. I just need to turn it
on.
> I will turn it on just as soon as my Viagra gets here.
...(!) ;)
// Xaniel, Ph.D.
Bret Ripley
l3m...@bumblbee.demon.co.uk says...
> Bret Ripley <rip...@olywa.net> wrote:
>
> >In article <HElS9.3436$1c....@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>, m...@1.com says...
> >> "Brad Martin" <br...@zakalwe.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
> >> news:0lmj1voie8m9st0ll...@4ax.com...
> >> > Our previous email correspondence gave me plenty of food for thought -
> >>
> >> (whistles =)
> >
> >Are you short and stout?
> >Have you a handle? Have you a spout?
>
> Ooh! Ooh! I know this one.
Oh, Lemming . . . I was just thinking about you.
I know you recently read Lord of the Rings. I remember you had some
difficulty catching some of the literary nuances, and I was happy to
help you understand certain points: the symbolism of the pig, the use of
the conch (and how to get rid of it), Piggy surrendering his mortality,
and so forth.
Now I am happy to help you again. It may have come to your attention
that the books are being adapted to cinema. Some brave soul got his
hands on a boot-legged foreign language copy of the first film, and
kindly added English captions. These captions will help remind you of
some of the finer points of the story that you may have forgotten.
http://users3.ev1.net/~eekfrenzy/captionspage/badfotrcaptionsx.html
Remember: the recurring theme of LOTR is Location, Location, Location.
Bret
Lemming
>In article <njbk1vc5go95rllvo...@4ax.com>,
>l3m...@bumblbee.demon.co.uk says...
>> Bret Ripley <rip...@olywa.net> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <HElS9.3436$1c....@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>, m...@1.com says...
>> >> "Brad Martin" <br...@zakalwe.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
>> >> news:0lmj1voie8m9st0ll...@4ax.com...
>> >> > Our previous email correspondence gave me plenty of food for thought -
>> >>
>> >> (whistles =)
>> >
>> >Are you short and stout?
>> >Have you a handle? Have you a spout?
>>
>> Ooh! Ooh! I know this one.
>
>Oh, Lemming . . . I was just thinking about you.
I had forgotten all about you. Sorry.
>I know you recently read Lord of the Rings. I remember you had some
>difficulty catching some of the literary nuances, and I was happy to
>help you understand certain points: the symbolism of the pig, the use of
>the conch (and how to get rid of it), Piggy surrendering his mortality,
>and so forth.
Yes, and I'm very grateful to you for it. And after your help, I
finally understood about the flies.
What has me confused is why the film didn't include certain essential
characters. I mean, whatever happened to GoldingBerry? The primary
erotic interest in the whole book, and he never appears in the film
once. I'm very disappointed. Still: at least they had the courage to
retain the homo-erotica and BDSM, even if they did tame it down.
>Now I am happy to help you again. It may have come to your attention
>that the books are being adapted to cinema. Some brave soul got his
>hands on a boot-legged foreign language copy of the first film, and
>kindly added English captions. These captions will help remind you of
>some of the finer points of the story that you may have forgotten.
>
>http://users3.ev1.net/~eekfrenzy/captionspage/badfotrcaptionsx.html
>
>Remember: the recurring theme of LOTR is Location, Location, Location.
I had no idea JRRT was an estate agent. I shall have to check your
link when I get time.
Bret Ripley
> Bret Ripley <rip...@olywa.net> wrote:
>
> >In article <njbk1vc5go95rllvo...@4ax.com>,
> >l3m...@bumblbee.demon.co.uk says...
> >> Bret Ripley <rip...@olywa.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >In article <HElS9.3436$1c....@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>, m...@1.com says...
> >> >> "Brad Martin" <br...@zakalwe.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
> >> >> news:0lmj1voie8m9st0ll...@4ax.com...
> >> >> > Our previous email correspondence gave me plenty of food for thought -
> >> >>
> >> >> (whistles =)
> >> >
> >> >Are you short and stout?
> >> >Have you a handle? Have you a spout?
> >>
> >> Ooh! Ooh! I know this one.
> >
> >Oh, Lemming . . . I was just thinking about you.
>
> I had forgotten all about you.
You lucky bastard.
> Sorry.
> >I know you recently read Lord of the Rings. I remember you had some
> >difficulty catching some of the literary nuances, and I was happy to
> >help you understand certain points: the symbolism of the pig, the use of
> >the conch (and how to get rid of it), Piggy surrendering his mortality,
> >and so forth.
>
> Yes, and I'm very grateful to you for it. And after your help, I
> finally understood about the flies.
>
> What has me confused is why the film didn't include certain essential
> characters. I mean, whatever happened to GoldingBerry? The primary
> erotic interest in the whole book, and he never appears in the film
> once.
He is implicitly present in the Elven race.
> I'm very disappointed. Still: at least they had the courage to
> retain the homo-erotica and BDSM, even if they did tame it down.
Yes, I believe Ian McKellen discusses this at some length on the FOTR EV
DVD Actors Commentary track.
> >Now I am happy to help you again. It may have come to your attention
> >that the books are being adapted to cinema. Some brave soul got his
> >hands on a boot-legged foreign language copy of the first film, and
> >kindly added English captions. These captions will help remind you of
> >some of the finer points of the story that you may have forgotten.
> >
> >http://users3.ev1.net/~eekfrenzy/captionspage/badfotrcaptionsx.html
> >
> >Remember: the recurring theme of LOTR is Location, Location, Location.
>
> I had no idea JRRT was an estate agent.
No no no. JRRT wasn't an estate agent; all his main characters were.
> I shall have to check your
> link when I get time.
You may wish to ask Bill for a loan.
Bret