FCC tells Cbplusser he has to upgrade
N2EY
(WA8ULX) writes:
>>I've been on 2 meter FM since 1977 and haven't found any "Cbplussers". Met
>>lots of nice hams, though.
>
> You must have a problem with your 2 Meter CB
Never seen one of those. You mean a MURS radio?
My 2 meter ham rig is a Heathkit HW-2036. Built it from a kit back in 1977.
Still works great after all these years. Big, heavy and not many features
compared to the more recent stuff.
And you still haven't explained what a "Cbplusser" is.
>
> >Ah, so you are talking about one individual. Who is this person? Was there
> >an FCC enforcement letter or other action?
>>
>>If there's any info on line , how about posting a link so we can all read it
>>for ourselves?
>
>Yes, its been sent out by ARRL
Guess you don't know how to post a link to it, then.
>
> >me $250 to take it.
>>
>>Uh huh.
>
>You dont have to believe it, but its fact.
Apostrophes are a fact, too.
>
>>To many
>>
>>Doesn't answer the question.
>
>Oh yes it does
>
No, it doesn't. For some things, one is too many.
73 de Jim, N2EY
>
WA8ULX
ThaT explains it
>And you still haven't explained what a "Cbplusser" is.
A CBplusser is a No-Code Tech, they are only 1 Step Above a cber, and its
really a pretty tiny step, actually you really cant tell much difference
>Guess you don't know how to post a link to it, then.
I know how tp post it, but not going to do the work for you, if you really
wont to know look it up.
>Apostrophes are a fact, too.
>>
I dont like Apostrophes
>No, it doesn't. For some things, one is too many.
Your right, one is more than enough
N2EY
(WA8ULX) writes:
>>What is a "Cbplusser"? Never seen one of 'em. Not sure we have 'em around
>>here.
>
>Just check 2 Meter FM you will find a bunch of them
I've been on 2 meter FM since 1977 and haven't found any "Cbplussers". Met lots
of nice hams, though.
>
>>Anyone who wants to operate an amateur radio station on the HF/MF amateur
>>bands needs to have the appropriate license. For most people, that means an
>>amateur radio license.
>
>Thats the point, the CBplusser has been operating on HF Phone, the FCC
>caught him and told him that if he didnt seize they would cancel his License,
as
>well as fine him.
"told him if he didnt seize"?? I have no idea what that is supposed to mean.
Ah, so you are talking about one individual. Who is this person? Was there an
FCC enforcement letter or other action?
If there's any info on line , how about posting a link so we can all read it
for ourselves?
>his comment was he doesnt to take anymore Test, because there
>being un fair to him
So? People the FCC has caught have said all sorts of things.
> >IIRC, you avoided taking some tests by waiting until after April 2000 to
>>upgrade.
>
> Your right, I didnt need an Extra, still dont, the only reason I took it was
>the FCC was giving them away, and besides I got two Dumb Down CBplussers to
>pay
>me $250 to take it.
Uh huh.
>
>>Huh? How many "present new Hams" do you know?
>
>To many
Doesn't answer the question. Perhaps you are overgeneralizing based on a very
small sample.
>
>>Hmmm, there's a saying about pots and kettles that may fit here.....
Indeed.
73 de Jim, N2EY
WA8ULX
>lots
>of nice hams, though.
>>
You must have a problem with your 2 Meter CB
>Ah, so you are talking about one individual. Who is this person? Was there an
>FCC enforcement letter or other action?
>
>If there's any info on line , how about posting a link so we can all read it
>for ourselves?
Yes, its been sent out by ARRL
>me $250 to take it.
>
>Uh huh.
You dont have to believe it, but its fact.
>To many
>
>Doesn't answer the question.
Oh yes it does
WA8ULX
thats unfair, and he shouldnt have to take anymore tests. Sounds normal for the
present new Hams. Here comes the next cry from the Knuckle Dragging Mentally
Challenged. We need more Dumbing Down for the Mentally Challenged. Isnt Dumbing
Down great.
Robert Casey
What, one idiot out of 200 thousand "CBplussers"? That's hardly like the
whole world of ham radio going down the toilet.
WA8ULX
>whole world of ham radio going down the toilet.
Im sure theres more
Mike H. KC8UBH
"WA8ULX" <wa8...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20030113103107...@mb-mu.aol.com...
> >My 2 meter ham rig is a Heathkit HW-2036. Built it from a kit back in
1977.
>
> ThaT explains it
>
> >And you still haven't explained what a "Cbplusser" is.
>
> A CBplusser is a No-Code Tech, they are only 1 Step Above a cber, and its
> really a pretty tiny step, actually you really cant tell much difference
Most of the No-Code Techs I know do more for the hobby on their feet and
with their hands, heads, and hearts in Emergency and other Community Service
Organizations than Extra's like you who sit on your asses in the shack,
probably pissing other HAMS off by sarcastically announcing that the
frequency you're camping out on (but not using) "is in use" and doing
absolutely NOTHING to further the hobby.
Next time you go to Hamvention in Dayton, thank all those No-Code Techs who
did *MOST* of the legwork setting up the entire event, you thankless slob.
Next time you go to your next field day with a whole bunch of Extra class
HAMS standing around looking important and being jerks, thank the No-Code
Techs who did the *real* work setting THAT event up.
Mike H.
KC8UBH/AG - General Class privileges since 1/11/03.
Jackie L.
"contributions" to this forum still show up on my newsreader as a result of
other people responding to his trollbait.
My advice is to killfile him. He gets his jollies yanking people's chains,
and previously he admitted as much. Don't waste any more of your time with
this dork.
Jackie
KC0ODY / AG
"Mike H. KC8UBH" <mh...@nospam.insight.rr.com> wrote in message
news:G9IU9.58076$GF.17...@twister.columbus.rr.com...
WA8ULX
>Next time you go to Hamvention in Dayton, thank all those No-Code Techs who
>did *MOST* of the legwork setting up the entire event, you thankless slob.
Of the course they do the Grunt work, there not good for much of anything else.
>Next time you go to your next field day with a whole bunch of Extra class
>HAMS standing around looking important and being jerks, thank the No-Code
>Techs who did the *real* work setting THAT event up.
They cant be trusted to do anything
N2EY
(WA8ULX) writes:
>>My 2 meter ham rig is a Heathkit HW-2036. Built it from a kit back in 1977.
>
>ThaT explains it
Expalins what? Have you ever built a VHF ham rig, even from a kit? Or do you
think the cost of the equipment is some sort of indication of the skill and
knowledge of the operator?
>
>>And you still haven't explained what a "Cbplusser" is.
>
>A CBplusser is a No-Code Tech,
I've seen quite a few ham licenses, and none of them say "code" or "no-code".
What is your problem with Technician class licenses? They're real hams, same as
any other license class.
>they are only 1 Step Above a cber, and its
>really a pretty tiny step, actually you really cant tell much difference
Maybe YOU can't, but I sure can. No such thing as a cb licnese, for one thing.
>
>>Guess you don't know how to post a link to it, then.
>
> I know how tp post it,
I doubt that very much.
> but not going to do the work for you,
Indeed.
>if you really
>wont to know look it up.
Where?
>
> >Apostrophes are a fact, too.
>>>
>
> I dont like Apostrophes
>
Nor periods, commas, hyphens, spelling, grammar, capitalization.......
Or spellcheckers.
>>No, it doesn't. For some things, one is too many.
>
>Your right, one is more than enough
>
I don't think we're talking about the same things, though.
73 de Jim, N2EY
N2EY
<buzz...@REMOVE.attbi.com> writes:
>Unfortunately, even though I killfiled Mr. Illiterati a long time ago, his
>"contributions" to this forum still show up on my newsreader as a result of
>other people responding to his trollbait.
Sorry, Jackie. I was just trying to figure out what he was talking about. I'm
still not sure. Something about my 2 meter rig being a problem?
>
>My advice is to killfile him.
Good advice.
>He gets his jollies yanking people's chains,
>and previously he admitted as much.
He's got a lot of company in that....
>Don't waste any more of your time with this dork.
Now there's a word I haven't seen in a while.
>Jackie
>KC0ODY / AG
CONGRATULATIONS!!
73 de Jim, N2EY
Jackie
news:20030113212459...@mb-fm.aol.com...
> In article <DAIU9.669920$WL3.701928@rwcrnsc54>, "Jackie L."
> <buzz...@REMOVE.attbi.com> writes:
>
> >Unfortunately, even though I killfiled Mr. Illiterati a long time ago,
his
> >"contributions" to this forum still show up on my newsreader as a result
of
> >other people responding to his trollbait.
>
> Sorry, Jackie. I was just trying to figure out what he was talking about.
I'm
> still not sure. Something about my 2 meter rig being a problem?
Nah, no need to apologize to me, Jim... just didn't want Mike (or anyone
else) wasting their time trying to talk to this troglodyte. He has no
respect for his fellow hams and even less respect for the written (typed)
form of the English language. In the shrunken coprolyte that resides in his
braincase, he somehow occasionally manages to find two synapses with enough
spark between them to form incoherent rants against Technician-class hams,
and/or against those who use 2 meters to talk to their local friends and
fellow hams. A saving grace for him is the fact that on HF (or any other
band, for that matter), no one knows you're a functional illiterate. But
type, and remove all doubt.
J.
JJ
WA8ULX wrote:
We need more Dumbing Down for the Mentally Challenged. Isnt Dumbing
> Down great.
It is for you, that's the only way you could make extra.
Brian Kelly
> Next time you go to your next field day with a whole bunch of Extra class
> HAMS standing around looking important and being jerks, thank the No-Code
> Techs who did the *real* work setting THAT event up.
Yeah, right, tell that to the horde of nocode rubberneckers who stood
around watching the last time I bothered opearating FD with them. When
3 or so of us beeped our way to two thirds of "their" score.
We haven't been back since, we don't need them to "set up the event"
or cook our hot dogs for us.
> Mike H.
>
> KC8UBH/AG - General Class privileges since 1/11/03.
w3rv
WA8ULX
Yes
>They're real hams, same as
>any other license class.
Wrong there just make belive hams, basically just a Welfare Class of Ham
>No such thing as a cb licnese, for one thing.
Never said there was
>>if you really
>>wont to know look it up.
>
>Where?
On the Internet
>Nor periods, commas, hyphens, spelling, grammar, capitalization.......
>
>Or spellcheckers.
Correct
WA8ULX
>
Spoken like a true CBer that you are. Lets see, QRZ says your still a
CBplusser. I know you just cant handle that really tough Dumb Down General.
WA8ULX
>band, for that matter), no one knows you're a functional illiterate. But
>type, and remove all doubt.
Just like when you key the Mic on your 2 Meter CB
WA8ULX
>or cook our hot dogs for us.
>
We stop letting them Cook for us, they couldnt even do that right. Now all we
let them do is clean the Porta Potties, I can say they are good at that.
Brian
> > >Apostrophes are a fact, too.
> >
> > I dont like Apostrophes
> >
> Nor periods, commas, hyphens, spelling, grammar, capitalization.......
>
> Or spellcheckers.
>
> 73 de Jim, N2EY
Its not just that he can't spell, it's that he tells everyone else
they're stupid while presenting himself as a complete moron.
I'm glad to finally see the Holy Extras policing their own.
N2EY
writes:
>Nah, no need to apologize to me, Jim... just didn't want Mike (or anyone
>else) wasting their time trying to talk to this troglodyte.
Now why do you want to insult troglodytes?
>He has no
>respect for his fellow hams and even less respect for the written (typed)
>form of the English language.
Those lacks are dwarfed by the basic and pervasive lack of logic evidenced in
the posts.
>In the shrunken coprolyte that resides in his
>braincase, he somehow occasionally manages to find two synapses with
>enough
>spark between them to form incoherent rants against Technician-class hams,
>and/or against those who use 2 meters to talk to their local friends and
>fellow hams.
That includes a lot of people! With all the 2 meter FM QSOs I've had, I must be
heavily contaminated.
>A saving grace for him is the fact that on HF (or any other
>band, for that matter), no one knows you're a functional illiterate.
Not entirely true - some things come through regardless of mode. If you can't
or won't spell correctly on CW or one of the keyboard modes, it comes through
very fast.
>But type, and remove all doubt.
>
HAW!!!
73 de Jim, N2EY
N2EY
(Brian Kelly) writes:
>"Mike H. KC8UBH" <mh...@nospam.insight.rr.com> wrote in message
>news:<G9IU9.58076$GF.17...@twister.columbus.rr.com>...
>
>> Next time you go to your next field day with a whole bunch of Extra class
>> HAMS standing around looking important and being jerks, thank the No-Code
>> Techs who did the *real* work setting THAT event up.
>
>Yeah, right, tell that to the horde of nocode rubberneckers who stood
>around watching the last time I bothered opearating FD with them. When
>3 or so of us beeped our way to two thirds of "their" score.
Hey! I was one of those 3 or so!
We had clueless newbie rubberneckers of all license classes. And clueless OTs,
too. Lotsa fun anyhow. Like listening to the 40 SSB bandleader loudly proclaim
how "his" station had peaked at something like 30 QSOs/hr for 40 minutes, then
quietly pointing out how the 80 CW station had done a run 60 QSOs/hr for twice
that long.....
Or the really funny looks when I pulled out the ARC-5-and-dynamotor setup to
copy the W1AW message at 10 AM on Saturday. First 100 points of the event,
earned in about ten minutes.
>We haven't been back since, we don't need them to "set up the event"
>or cook our hot dogs for us.
Actually the guy in charge of food was a General, as I recall. But the best was
the homemade hummus and pita brought by an Extra.
Six and a half months to the next one...
73 de Jim, N2EY
N2EY
<mh...@nospam.insight.rr.com> writes:
>Most of the No-Code Techs I know do more for the hobby on their feet and
>with their hands, heads, and hearts in Emergency and other Community Service
>Organizations than Extra's like you who sit on your asses in the shack,
>probably pissing other HAMS off by sarcastically announcing that the
>frequency you're camping out on (but not using) "is in use" and doing
>absolutely NOTHING to further the hobby.
>
>Next time you go to Hamvention in Dayton, thank all those No-Code Techs who
>did *MOST* of the legwork setting up the entire event, you thankless slob.
>Next time you go to your next field day with a whole bunch of Extra class
>HAMS standing around looking important and being jerks, thank the No-Code
>Techs who did the *real* work setting THAT event up.
Better yet, Mike, don't repeat the mistake of license-class bigotry evidenced
by someone who is simply trying to get you steamed. That's exactly what he
wants.
73 de Jim, N2EY
Extra class since 1970 (no big deal, really)
Mike H. KC8UBH
You're right...of course...but...but...but...but....ah, hell...
KC8UBH/AG
Mike H.
WA8ULX
>
>
When are the CBers going to start policing you CBplussers
WA8ULX
>by someone who is simply trying to get you steamed. That's exactly what he
>wants.
>
>73 de Jim, N2EY
BULL, just giving you the facts
WA8ULX
>
>73 de Jim, N2EY
>
Oh no, we got to to listen to the 10-4 Good Buddy No-Coders again.
Brian Kelly
Eric & Joey are both 20wpm Extras.
> But the best was
> the homemade hummus and pita brought by an Extra.
>
> Six and a half months to the next one...
Yeah, but you're not gonna put up with that bunch any more than I will huh?
>
> 73 de Jim, N2EY
w3rv
Brian
> >I'm glad to finally see the Holy Extras policing their own.
>
> When are the CBers going to start policing you CBplussers
I have no idea what you're talking about, and neither do you.
WA8ULX
Oh yes you do. Hows your Daddy Karl?
JJ
And just what call sign did you look up to find that bit of
misinformation? I got my Advanced Class long before the dumbed
down ones like you came along.
WA8ULX
>misinformation? I got my Advanced Class long before the dumbed
>down ones like you came along.
>
Oh, maybe I got the wrong guy, I thought you were Dumb A$$ Andy
Brian Kelly
True enough but that ain't no FUN . .
>
> 73 de Jim, N2EY
>
> Extra class since 1970 (no big deal, really)
w3rv
Brian Kelly
>
> >they are only 1 Step Above a cber, and its
> >really a pretty tiny step, actually you really cant tell much difference
>
> Maybe YOU can't, but I sure can. No such thing as a cb licnese, for one thing.
'Scuse me here but I have a Class D Citizens Radio Service station &
operator's license issued to me by the FCC, callsign is KLK1937.
Dan/W4NTI
I took mine in 75 or 76 and it was probably a similar test.
I was/am quite proud to have passed it. And I know this will piss off some
folks...but.....that is when it meant something.
So be proud.
Just don't be a bragard like some are.
Dan/W4NTI
Vshah101
>Just like when you key the Mic on your 2 Meter CB
I didn't know they had 2 meter CBs! When a ham puts a 2 meter rig in his car is
it a 2 meter CB? Just curious.
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WA8ULX makes one and only one point: that ALL hams that have not passed the
code test are CBplussers.
Does WA8ULX have any proof that ALL no code techs are CBplussers? Do any
studies, polling, etc indicate this?
Also, how do we know ALL Hams that passed the code test is not a CBplusser?
Upon passing the code test, does one instantly gain the technical knowledge to
be a better operator?
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WA8ULX , lets see some information backing up your accusations.
N2EY
>Subject: Re: FCC tells Cbplusser he has to upgrade
>From: ke...@dvol.com (Brian Kelly)
>Date: 14 Jan 2003 16:20:22 -0800
And it expired when?
73 de Jim, N2EY
N2EY
<w4...@NOSPAMmindspring.com> writes:
>Why do you say that Jim? (no big deal, really).
'Cause it's only one accomplishment in a ham career of over 35 years.
>
>I took mine in 75 or 76 and it was probably a similar test.
Yup. FCC office, the whole deal. From another era.
>I was/am quite proud to have passed it.
Yeah, me too. But there's no point in making a big deal of it.
>And I know this will piss off some
>folks...but.....that is when it meant something.
>
Still does!
>So be proud.
>
>Just don't be a bragard like some are.
>
Good points, Dan, but the way I see it is this: The license test was just the
beginning. What's most important is what is done with the license. Rigs built,
QSOs, skills developed, friendships made, equipment destroyed, antennas raised,
807s consumed, articles written, beginners Elmered, SKN, FD, SS, DX tests, club
meetings, hamfests, etc., etc.
That's the stuff what's a big deal.
N2EY
Well, there you have it. Funny as all get out. This FD I got to cook some.
>> But the best was
>> the homemade hummus and pita brought by an Extra.
>>
>> Six and a half months to the next one...
>
>Yeah, but you're not gonna put up with that bunch any more than I will huh?
All depends on the situation then. Lotta folks out this way have big backyards
with tall trees, and with the K2 and a big battery one can have quite a time.
Or glom a quiet Honda EU series genset and a 100W rig.
Main problem I have with FD these days is too many good ideas!
WA8ULX
>is
>it a 2 meter CB?
Of course
>WA8ULX makes one and only one point: that ALL hams that have not passed the
>code test are CBplussers.
>
True again
>Upon passing the code test, does one instantly gain the technical knowledge
>to
>be a better operator?
By passing the Dumb Down written does that prove you know the material, of
course not. Most new Hams have know Idea what was on the test.
>WA8ULX , lets see some information backing up your accusations.
Well thats easy, just turn on your 2 Meter CB, and listen for 2 minutes, by
then you will understand.
WA8ULX
>>operator's license issued to me by the FCC, callsign is KLK1937.
>
>And it expired when?
>
>73 de Jim, N2EY
His never expired, hes still a CBer
Robert Casey
>
> Well thats easy, just turn on your 2 Meter CB, and listen for 2 minutes, by
> then you will understand.
Doesn't sound like the CB band at all. No echo boxes, music, people jaw
boneing to nobody in particular. 2M is well behaved around these parts
in NNJ. Besides, code wasn't that good of a lid filter, as witness 14313
back before reconstruction.
Steve Robeson K4YZ
>Date: 1/14/03 8:59 PM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: <20030114215927...@mb-mf.aol.com>
>Does WA8ULX have any proof that ALL no code techs are CBplussers? Do any
>studies, polling, etc indicate this?
Vipul, you only feed his rants. That's why the putz is in my killfile.
>Also, how do we know ALL Hams that passed the code test is not a CBplusser?
There is no such thing as a "CBplusser".
>Upon passing the code test, does one instantly gain the technical knowledge
>to
>be a better operator?
No, one does not gain "technical knowledge", however learning (and at
least occassionally using) Morse Code makes one a more functional operator.
>WA8ULX , lets see some information backing up your accusations.
Whew...Seems I heard something like that being asked of someone who kept
insisting that Amateur Radio was somehow rife with "code words". That person
hasn't answered the questions put to him yet.
Steve, K4YZ
N2EY
> WA8ULX wrote:
>
> >
> > Well thats easy, just turn on your 2 Meter CB, and listen for 2 minutes, by
> > then you will understand.
>
> Doesn't sound like the CB band at all.
Agreed.
> No echo boxes, music, people jaw
> boneing to nobody in particular.
No illegal power amps, no "keydowns", no hiding one's real identity
through use of "handles".
> 2M is well behaved around these parts
> in NNJ.
Same here in EPA. Lots of nice people, though. Friends 'n' neighbors.
Watta concept, huh?
> Besides, code wasn't that good of a lid filter, as witness 14313
> back before reconstruction.
What mode did those folks use on 14313? Sure wasn't code!
73 de Jim, N2EY
WA8ULX
Thats because your use to CB and cant tell the difference.
WA8ULX
>
Then stop reading my stuff.
>There is no such thing as a "CBplusser".
Spoken like a true CBplusser
Brian Kelly
I think they were issued "for the duration". There is such a thing and
I do have one, expired or not.
Brian Kelly
I'll outbeep you Sweetums and I got that CB ticket years after I
passed the 20wpm thing.
w3rv
WA8ULX
>I do have one, expired or not.
>
Even if the were not issued for the duration you sure are proud of it. Now go
back on channel 11 or 14 or what ever channel you use. Your just another CBer
with a give away Ham License.
WA8ULX
>passed the 20wpm thing.
>
>w3rv
Beep on big boy.
N2EY
> From: wa8...@aol.com (WA8ULX)
> >Just like when you key the Mic on your 2 Meter CB
>
> I didn't know they had 2 meter CBs!
Nor me!
> When a ham puts a 2 meter rig in his car is
> it a 2 meter CB? Just curious.
>
cb hasn't needed a license since the mid-1970s. A ham license is
needed to operate a 2 meter rig. Therefore, a 2 meter rig cannot be a
cb, by definition.
Simple logic - which escapes some people.
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> WA8ULX makes one and only one point: that ALL hams that have not passed the
> code test are CBplussers.
Not a point. Just a put-down.
And one cannot tell from the license class whether someone has passed
a code test. Any given Tech may have passed the code test but not the
written (yet). And for almost 3 years the FCC has been renewing Tech
Pluses as Techs.
> Does WA8ULX have any proof that ALL no code techs are CBplussers?
No such proof can exist, as shown above. The license simply says
"Technician".
> Do any studies, polling, etc indicate this?
>
> Also, how do we know ALL Hams that passed the code test is not a CBplusser?
First you have to prove such a thing even exists.
> Upon passing the code test, does one instantly gain the technical knowledge to
> be a better operator?
What "technical knowledge" is needed to be a better operator that is
not covered by the Tech written?
Operating better requires SKILL. Code skill is one of the skills that
makes someone a better operator.
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> WA8ULX , lets see some information backing up your accusations.
Don't hold yer breath while waiting...
73 de Jim, N2EY
who was a Technician class ham back in 1968....
WA8ULX
>needed to operate a 2 meter rig. Therefore, a 2 meter rig cannot be a
>cb, by definition.
Better tell that to the Trucker Drivers on 10, oh thats right it cant happen,
because you have to have a License
>Not a point. Just a put-down.
Just the facts
>The license simply says
>"Technician".
Thats just a fell good term to make the Cbers think they have done something.
>First you have to prove such a thing even exists.
Easy turn on your 2 meter CB, and you will find all the facts you need
>who was a Technician class ham back in 1968....
I was, but I was all so a Novice at the same time, and shortly there after a
General, and shortly there after an Advanced, so whats your point?
Brian Kelly
> >I think they were issued "for the duration". There is such a thing and
> >I do have one, expired or not.
> >
>
> Even if the were not issued for the duration you sure are proud of it.
I said I have one, read whatever ya want into that, I could care less.
> Now go
> back on channel 11 or 14 or what ever channel you use. Your just another CBer
> with a give away Ham License.
Not quite. I headed up a volunteer municipal security patrol operation
which used CB radio when it got started so I got the license. I later
moved the operation to VHF FM ~25 years ago which was the last time I
had any interest at all in CB.
w3rv
WA8ULX
>moved the operation to VHF FM ~25 years ago which was the last time I
>had any interest at all in CB.
>
>w3rv
Not true if you still operate 2 Meter CB
Dan/W4NTI
Dan/W4NTI
"N2EY" <n2...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20030114223652...@mb-mj.aol.com...
Brian Kelly
Yeah, right: I have three operable 2m FM xcvrs and I use 'em. Like I
oughta clutter up 75 to yak the guy down the street or what? Going
'way back I ran 2m AM "simplex" for the same reasons. Not that you
were ever there of course.
w3rv
Vshah101
> There is no such thing as a "CBplusser".
A CBplusser is a poor operator, a tiny step above a CBer. WA8ULX claims that
ALL no-code techs are CBplussers and ALL that passed code are not CBplusser.
>>WA8ULX , lets see some information backing up your accusations.
> Whew...Seems I heard something like that being asked of someone who kept
>insisting that Amateur Radio was somehow rife with "code words". That person
>hasn't answered the questions put to him yet.
I have answered this plenty.
I will add this additional method. Invite someone that is unware of Ham radio.
(Don't know what "Ham" radio is, didn't know Hams etc.). Take this person to a
Hamfest and/or a couple meetings
Lets see if the average non-Ham agrees that Hams don't use codewords when they
are not needed.
Also, ask if the person notices certain demographics. Also, lets see if the
average non-Ham does not find Hams strange.
Jackie
"Vshah101" <vsha...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20030115222359...@mb-fr.aol.com...
> From K4YZ:
> > There is no such thing as a "CBplusser".
>
> A CBplusser is a poor operator, a tiny step above a CBer. WA8ULX claims
that
> ALL no-code techs are CBplussers and ALL that passed code are not
CBplusser.
And we all know how much ULX's opinions are worth... *phhfft* I don't listen
to the opinions of trolls.
Jackie
WA8ULX
>'way back I ran 2m AM "simplex" for the same reasons. Not that you
>were ever there of course.
>
>w3rv
Yea right
WA8ULX
>to the opinions of trolls.
>
>Jackie
>
TROLLS, you got to be kidding, you guys just refuse to accept the facts.
Vshah101
>cb hasn't needed a license since the mid-1970s. A ham license is
>needed to operate a 2 meter rig. Therefore, a 2 meter rig cannot be a
>cb, by definition.
Lets face it, even I agree that 2 meters is CB with repeaters, hence it is a 2
meter CB.
>And one cannot tell from the license class whether someone has passed
>a code test.
Irrelevant.
>First you have to prove such a thing even exists.
CBplusser is a definition. Its a tiny step above CB.
WA8ULX claims ALL no code techs are CBplussers and all that passed code are not
CBplussers. Apparently this term is applied whether or not the person used a CB
prior to getting a no code Ham license.
>What "technical knowledge" is needed to be a better operator that is
>not covered by the Tech written?
The material is covered in the written. However, you don't have to understand
the written material to pass the written test. I agree on that point.
>Operating better requires SKILL.
>Code skill is one of the skills that
>makes someone a better operator.
Picking up signals by ear in presense of noise is also a skill. Tuning
receivers by ear is also a skill.
Adjusting for SWR is also skill.
There are many more useful skills.
Code skill is a skill, but only one of the skills, and a [less] useful one that
is made [most] important.
>> WA8ULX , lets see some information backing up your accusations.
>
>Don't hold yer breath while waiting...
I haven't heard proof yet.
Listening to 2 meter doesn't prove anything. No difference between 2 meter and
Hams that passed code at meetings. Although, I learned more about the typical
HAM.
KØHB
: A CBplusser is a poor operator, a tiny step above a CBer.
Are CBer's bad operators?
:
: Also, ask if the person notices certain demographics. Also, lets see if
the
: average non-Ham does not find Hams strange.
:
You seem to enjoy talking in riddles, Vipul. Would you mind expanding on
those oddly worded requests?
You see, you are something of a puzzlement to many of us. You seem
moderately intelligent, so I'm assuming you weren't tricked or coerced into
passing your license examination, thinking perhaps that there would be 17
anxious and willing virgins waiting after you'd passed through the ritual,
or some other similar inducement.
You are a ham, presumably because you wish to be one. With that in mind,
your crusade of denigration of the Amateur Radio Service just doesn't ring
true. What are we missing here?
With all kind wishes,
de Hans, K0HB
WA8ULX
>2
>meter CB.
The problem is most dont wont to admit it.
>WA8ULX claims ALL no code techs are CBplussers and all that passed code are
>not
>CBplussers.
Well not all true, some who have passed the code are still CBplussers.
>Apparently this term is applied whether or not the person used a CB
>prior to getting a no code Ham license.
Exactly
>The material is covered in the written. However, you don't have to understand
>the written material to pass the written test. I agree on that point.
The written is a complete JOKE
WA8ULX
>anxious and willing virgins waiting after you'd passed through the ritual,
Man, I think I will take the test over again, wait a minute, where did you find
17 Virgins?
Dave Heil
>
> From K4YZ:
> > There is no such thing as a "CBplusser".
>
> A CBplusser is a poor operator, a tiny step above a CBer. WA8ULX claims that
> ALL no-code techs are CBplussers and ALL that passed code are not CBplusser.
>
> >>WA8ULX , lets see some information backing up your accusations.
> > Whew...Seems I heard something like that being asked of someone who kept
> >insisting that Amateur Radio was somehow rife with "code words". That person
> >hasn't answered the questions put to him yet.
>
> I have answered this plenty.
>
> I will add this additional method. Invite someone that is unware of Ham radio.
> (Don't know what "Ham" radio is, didn't know Hams etc.). Take this person to a
> Hamfest and/or a couple meetings
>
> Lets see if the average non-Ham agrees that Hams don't use codewords when they
> are not needed.
I don't know of any hams who use "code words" in speaking with non-hams.
> Also, ask if the person notices certain demographics. Also, lets see if the
> average non-Ham does not find Hams strange.
Let's do another one. Let's see if the average ham finds you strange.
Dave K8MN
JJ
And he is an extra light, he would have never gotten the extra
except they dumbed down the test.
JJ
WA8ULX extra lite wrote:
>
> The written is a complete JOKE
>
If it were not, you would never have passed it.
>
Vshah101
>the
>: average non-Ham does not find Hams strange.
>:
>
>You seem to enjoy talking in riddles, Vipul. Would you mind expanding on
>those oddly worded requests?
Sorry, I should explain more.
Referring to demographics, Ham radio is 95% male, large percentage are old,
large percentage (visibly higher than general population) are overweight. This
should not matter except that the hobby must attract/create these types of
people to have such high percentages.
Examples of strange include using codewords in ordinary conversation, putting
call-sign on car license plate, wanting to learn Morse code, hating CBers,
Wuoff Hong, and other cult like beliefs.
>You are a ham, presumably because you wish to be one.
License means band access. So, there is some benefit.
>With that in mind,
>your crusade of denigration of the Amateur Radio Service just doesn't ring
>true. What are we missing here?
I do not denigrate Ham radio to non Hams. I say that I am in Ham Radio and
praise/defend it. I invited non-Ham to Hamfest, gave copy of ARRL handbook,
mentioned I am Ham in social situation. It is in my benefit to improve the
image of Ham Radio.
"Ham" radio is different than Amateur radio. "Ham" radio is very much a cult.
Although technically FCC licenses are given for "Amateur Radio" operation, the
amateur radio operators like to be called "Ham" Radio operators. A big sub-cult
of Ham Radio operators learns a skill called Morse code. Being a cult is not
necessarily bad in itself. Ham cult does not fit my interests. I am interested
in the "other" technical aspects most Hams are not interested in.
WA8ULX
>except they dumbed down the test.
Not true, I didnt want the Extra could have carried less about being an EXTRA.
The only reason I got it was some Dumb CBplussers bet me $250 that I couldnt
pass it. As a matter of fact I still have not used the Extra Privilages and
probably never will.
WA8ULX
>
Your an Idiot, I passed it with no studying, didnt even look at the Stupid
Question Pool, took me 7 Minutes to pass it, and collected $250 in the process.
Jackie
> Referring to demographics, Ham radio is 95% male, large percentage are
old,
> large percentage (visibly higher than general population) are overweight.
This
> should not matter except that the hobby must attract/create these types of
> people to have such high percentages.
*Scratching head* Gee, let's see... I don't answer to *any* of the above
traits, so it must've been something else that attracted me to the hobby.
It was the Spirit of the Radio that brought me in (being a longtime SW
listener and having ham friends who were also SW listeners, mostly). I think
the hobby attracts technical types, for sure. But I have met enough hams now
that don't fit your description that I don't feel like the odd person out.
I'm female, (relatively) young and not overweight. I am a geek, however, and
I think that's almost a prerequisite to get into any technical hobby- and I
think of the term "geek" as a compliment. :-)
> Examples of strange include using codewords in ordinary conversation,
I don't use code words in general conversation when talking with non-hams.
Or with most hams either- the crew I talk to generally doesn't either. So
what.
> putting call-sign on car license plate,
haven't done that either.
>wanting to learn Morse code
Well, it wasn't so much a matter of *wanting* to learn it as needing to for
me, since I wanted HF privileges. Gee, Vipul, you're 0-for-3 so far.
>hating CBers
I have never listened to any of the CB channels, so I can't hate any CBers.
> Wuoff Hong, and other cult like beliefs.
Oh, that is SO 1930's...
> I do not denigrate Ham radio to non Hams. I say that I am in Ham Radio and
> praise/defend it.
Sure Vipul. Just like you do in your posts to rec.radio.cb.
> "Ham" radio is different than Amateur radio. "Ham" radio is very much a
cult.
Well, maybe I'd best get my sorry behind to a "deprogramming center" ASAP.
> I am interested in the "other" technical aspects most Hams are not
interested in.
There are lots of aspects of AR to get into, certainly. If you prefer to go
off on your own to enjoy them, then so be it. Just don't insinuate that the
rest of us are aimless, blind Ham-sheep that're lured in by the siren-song
of some cult leader. Which is simply ridiculous, if that's what you believe.
Jackie
KC0ODY
WA8ULX
ago.
WA8ULX
If you have a 2 meter CB you have
Steve Robeson K4YZ
>From: vsha...@aol.com (Vshah101)
>Date: 1/15/03 9:23 PM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: <20030115222359...@mb-fr.aol.com>
>From K4YZ:
>> There is no such thing as a "CBplusser".
>
>A CBplusser is a poor operator, a tiny step above a CBer. WA8ULX claims that
>ALL no-code techs are CBplussers and ALL that passed code are not CBplusser.
No, Vipul, a >>LID<< is a poor operator.
There are a great many CB operators who are themselves fine operators. A
LID is a LID, regardless of WHICH service in which they are found.
>> Whew...Seems I heard something like that being asked of someone who kept
>>insisting that Amateur Radio was somehow rife with "code words". That
>person
>>hasn't answered the questions put to him yet.
>
>I have answered this plenty.
No you have not. You have yet to explain to me or anyone else why Amateur
Radio should be the least bit different than any other sport, hobby, passtime,
occupation or avocation when it comes to the use of subject-specific "lingo"
for it's activites.
>Lets see if the average non-Ham agrees that Hams don't use codewords when
>they
>are not needed.
How can the "non-Ham" make any such judgement, Vipul? Without some frame
of mutual reference from which to make an informed opinion, all they can do is
shrug their shoulders. In hang gliding we call those folks "wuffos". Wanna
know what a "wuffo" is, Vipul?
Your "suggestion" says "average non-Ham". This means a person with no
radio background at any level other than using a TV remote or microwave oven.
>Also, ask if the person notices certain demographics. Also, lets see if the
>average non-Ham does not find Hams strange.
You mean like the guys who go bare-chested in January to a football game
with thier team's logo painted on them? Or perhaps you mean like teenage girls
who dress in all-black, use black lipstick and fingernail polish and don't
shave their armpits? Or perhaps you meant like middle aged or early senior men
who haven't shaved for 10 years, wear frayed out Levi's with a beerbelly and
ride Harley's..
You mean THAT kind of strange, Vipul?
Or do you just mean a group of guys and gals who like to swap stories
about working Lower Slobovia at 3AM on a dipole and 10 watts, or how they
busted 1M points in the DXWW contest last year?
That kinda strange?
Someone here is strange, alright, Vipul. It's a guy in Mass who has a Ham
Radio license, hangs out in Ham Radio USENET groups, but hates Ham Radio! Ya
wanna know his name and callsign?
73
Steve, K4YZ
Steve Robeson K4YZ
>Date: 1/15/03 10:58 PM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: <3E263BA8...@earthlink.net>
>Let's do another one. Let's see if the average ham finds you strange.
NO BRAINER! He's strange!
73
Steve, K4YZ
Steve Robeson K4YZ
>Date: 1/15/03 9:45 PM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: <20030115224530...@mb-fr.aol.com>
>>cb hasn't needed a license since the mid-1970s. A ham license is
>>needed to operate a 2 meter rig. Therefore, a 2 meter rig cannot be a
>>cb, by definition.
>
>Lets face it, even I agree that 2 meters is CB with repeaters, hence it is a
>2
>meter CB.
Hmmmm.....Just read through Part 95. I cannot find ANY allocation for
Citizen's Band operators in the 144-148mHz Amateru allocation.
And with the RARE exception of repeaters like the W6NUT machine in LA and
few others, there are precious few examples of CB-like operation on 2 meters.
Yes, the occassional new operator slips and says "10-4", "negatory" or
referes to him or herself as "the personal here is...". Thankfully those folks
learn very quickly that that language is bst left on 11 meters.
>>First you have to prove such a thing even exists.
>
>CBplusser is a definition.
WHOA! >>THIS<< from a guy who claims "putz" and "creep" are not in the
dictionary!
VIPUL! P-L-E-A-S-E provide the name and publisher of the dictionary that
defines "CBplusser"... ! ! !
>WA8ULX claims ALL no code techs are CBplussers and all that passed code are
>not
>CBplussers.
Bruce, WA8ULX, is a functionally illiterate, irresponsible and mean-mouthed
idiot. You will not find his name in contest scores, DXCC rolls, nor will you
find him proctoring VE tests or mentoring new Amateurs.
>Apparently this term is applied whether or not the person used a CB
>prior to getting a no code Ham license.
What term? "CBplusser"..?!?! There is NO such term.
>Listening to 2 meter doesn't prove anything. No difference between 2 meter
>and
>Hams that passed code at meetings. Although, I learned more about the typical
>HAM.
Judging from what you post here, Vipul, you haven't learned much of
anything at all, least-of-all Amateur Radio.
Steve, K4YZ
Steve Robeson K4YZ
>Date: 1/15/03 11:55 PM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: <rPrV9.697689$%m4.34...@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net>
>> Examples of strange include using codewords in ordinary conversation,
putting call-sign on car license plate,
>
>haven't done that either.
And what is "strange" about this? People put thier cat's name, overt and
covert sexual innuendo and family names on license plates.
What is strange about putting an Amateur Radio callsign on a tag? My tag
in CA used to read "RSQ EMT". Was it strange to be proud of being an EMT
involved in rescue operations? If not, why would it be "strange" to be proud
of being a licensed Amateur Radio operator?
>>wanting to learn Morse code
>
>Well, it wasn't so much a matter of *wanting* to learn it as needing to for
>me, since I wanted HF privileges. Gee, Vipul, you're 0-for-3 so far.
He's really 0-4...He hasn't figured out that being an Amateur Radio
operator means being able to do almost anything you want to do "in radio" ,
including being different.
Vipul is different. Does that make him strange?
>> "Ham" radio is different than Amateur radio. "Ham" radio is very much a
>cult.
>
>Well, maybe I'd best get my sorry behind to a "deprogramming center" ASAP.
Move over, Jackie! There'll be about 600,000 more next to you!
>There are lots of aspects of AR to get into, certainly. If you prefer to go
>off on your own to enjoy them, then so be it. Just don't insinuate that the
>rest of us are aimless, blind Ham-sheep that're lured in by the siren-song
>of some cult leader. Which is simply ridiculous, if that's what you believe.
Him and Lennie...What a pair!
73
Steve, K4YZ
N2EY
> From: N2...@AOL.COM (N2EY)
>
> >cb hasn't needed a license since the mid-1970s. A ham license is
> >needed to operate a 2 meter rig. Therefore, a 2 meter rig cannot be a
> >cb, by definition.
>
> Lets face it, even I agree that 2 meters is CB with repeaters,
You're simply mistaken, Vipul old chap.
cb is a form of land mobile radio that requires no test or license,
but requires the use of type-accepted equipment. Its basis and purpose
is completely different than that of amateur radio.
> hence it is a 2 meter CB.
Simply not true.
>
> >And one cannot tell from the license class whether someone has passed
> >a code test.
>
> Irrelevant.
It's a fact. Why is it irrelevant?
Also, one cannot tell what written tests a Technician has passed
merely by the license class.
>
> >First you have to prove such a thing even exists.
>
> CBplusser is a definition. Its a tiny step above CB.
That's your definition.
Which leaves out all classes of ham license.
>
> WA8ULX claims ALL no code techs are CBplussers and all that passed code are
> not CBplussers.
Really? I thought he was complaining about the written tests. Though
it is hard to tell.
Fun fact: The license doesn't specify whether someone took a code
test, or what speed.
> Apparently this term is applied whether or not the person used a CB
> prior to getting a no code Ham license.
It's just a put down. End of story.
>
> >What "technical knowledge" is needed to be a better operator that is
> >not covered by the Tech written?
>
> The material is covered in the written.
Which written? Tech, General, or Extra? How does taking a written test
improve operating skill?
> However, you don't have to understand
> the written material to pass the written test. I agree on that point.
In my experience, most new hams want to understand the material.
Understanding comes at many levels, too.
>
> >Operating better requires SKILL.
> >Code skill is one of the skills that
> >makes someone a better operator.
>
> Picking up signals by ear in presense of noise is also a skill.
Agreed.
> Tuning receivers by ear is also a skill.
It's a lot easier to tune them by hand!
> Adjusting for SWR is also skill.
> There are many more useful skills.
Some time back, I posted a whole list of desirable operating skills.
Perhaps I should post it again.
How does a written test of TECHNICAL KNOWLEDGE improve anyone's
OPERATING SKILL?
>
> Code skill is a skill, but only one of the skills,
That's true. It's tested because ITU S25.5 requires it. FCC says so.
That may change soon.
> and a [less] useful one that is made [most] important.
Less useful than what?
Have you ever actually LISTENED to the HF amateur bands?
>
> >> WA8ULX , lets see some information backing up your accusations.
> >
> >Don't hold yer breath while waiting...
>
> I haven't heard proof yet.
We haven't seen proof of your accusations either.
>
> Listening to 2 meter doesn't prove anything.
Sure it does. At least around here, it's very different from cb.
> No difference between 2 meter and Hams that passed code at meetings.
Nor additional WRITTEN tests of TECHNICAL KNOWLEDGE.
> Although, I learned more about the typical HAM.
From sampling how many of the ~685,000 US hams?
Here's a clue, Vipul: What you have seen at the few ham club meetings
and hamfests you have attended is not the entirety of ham radio. Not
by a long shot. Same for your Field Day experience.
73 de Jim, N2EY
WA8ULX
I am, but what the hell I will jump on the CW also for laughs.
WA8ULX
>radio background at any level other than using a TV remote or microwave oven.
Sounds like a definition of most No-Code CBplussers
>Or do you just mean a group of guys and gals who like to swap stories
>about working Lower Slobovia at 3AM on a dipole and 10 watts, or how they
>busted 1M points in the DXWW contest last year?
This really sounds BORRRRRING
>Someone here is strange, alright, Vipul. It's a guy in TENN who has a Ham
>Radio license, hangs out in Ham Radio USENET groups, but hates Ham Radio! Ya
>wanna know his name and callsign?
>
>73
>
>Steve, K4YZ
Let me guess, is it" Little Stevie Wonder, the BED PAN QUEEN from TENN"
STERVIE
Steve Robeson K4YZ
>Date: 1/16/03 7:30 AM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: <c2356669.03011...@posting.google.com>
>> Tuning receivers by ear is also a skill.
>
>It's a lot easier to tune them by hand!
And all this time I've been saying "Look, Ma, No hands!".....
73
Steve, K4YZ
N2EY
> From: "KØHB" kØh...@arrl.DOTORG
> >: Also, ask if the person notices certain demographics. Also, lets see if
> >: the average non-Ham does not find Hams strange.
> >You seem to enjoy talking in riddles, Vipul. Would you mind expanding on
> >those oddly worded requests?
>
> Sorry, I should explain more.
AGREED!!
>
> Referring to demographics, Ham radio is 95% male,
How do you know? What is the source of your demographics?
> large percentage are old,
What's your definition of "large percentage" and "old"? I'm 48 - to an
8 year old, that's old. To a 78 year old, that's young. To me, it
depends;-)
> large percentage (visibly higher than general population) are overweight.
Again, what's your source of demographics? The US population as a
whole is pretty chubby (and getting worse), not just hams. Whole bunch
of reasons for that. But I'm only responsible for me. For the record,
I'm 6' 3" and about 225 pounds right now. And working on getting down
below 200.
Fact is, many Americans these days live relatively sedentary
lifestyles and eat too much of the wrong things. Me included. Has
nothing to do with ham radio.
> This
> should not matter except that the hobby must attract/create these types of
> people to have such high percentages.
Your demographics source, please? Or are these just observations from
a few ham club meetings and Field Day?
Here's a clue: Those things are not a representative sampling.
>
> Examples of strange include using codewords in ordinary conversation,
I don't know any ham who does that. A little jargon where appropriate
does the trick.
> putting call-sign on car license plate,
Never had one of those - but WHY would doing that be "strange"?
> wanting to learn Morse code,
Let's see:
- A mode used by hundreds of thousands of hams all over the world
every day
- Uses very little spectrum space
- Gets through better than any analog voice mode
- Allows use of simple and inexpensive equipment
- Has a unique human-machine interface that many find enjoyable to use
- Users report it to be a lot of fun, often to the point of being
their favorite choice
Yet you say it's "strange" to want to learn the skills to use this
mode. Why is it strange?
Do you tell people who go running, skiing, swimming, sailboating or
bicycling that wanting to do those things are "strange"? How about
people who go fishing but toss the fish back after catching it?
> hating CBers,
Regrettably, some hams do dislike cbers. Do you know why?
> Wuoff Hong,
it's "Wouff Hong", and it's a nice old tradition. Do you dislike
traditions?
> and other cult like beliefs.
Hardly.
> >You are a ham, presumably because you wish to be one.
>
> License means band access. So, there is some benefit.
You can always send it back to the FCC and they will cancel it.
>
> >With that in mind,
> >your crusade of denigration of the Amateur Radio Service just doesn't ring
> >true. What are we missing here?
>
> I do not denigrate Ham radio to non Hams.
But you DO denigrate it to anyone who reads your posts. Why all the
put-downs? What is wrong with live and let live?
> I say that I am in Ham Radio and
> praise/defend it.
Somehow I find that difficult to believe.
> I invited non-Ham to Hamfest, gave copy of ARRL handbook,
> mentioned I am Ham in social situation. It is in my benefit to improve the
> image of Ham Radio.
Do you ever actually get on the air, or build/experiment with radio?
>
> "Ham" radio is different than Amateur radio.
You are mistaken. The two terms mean the same thing.
>"Ham" radio is very much a cult.
Who is the leader, then?
> Although technically FCC licenses are given for "Amateur Radio" operation, the
> amateur radio operators like to be called "Ham" Radio operators.
Just a nickname. Quicker and easier to say and write. Means the exact
same thing. Like "truck driver" and "driver of trucks". Or "medical
doctor" and "physician".
What IS your problem, Vipul?
> A big sub-cult
> of Ham Radio operators learns a skill called Morse code.
Not just learn - they USE it. Lots of fun, too.
> Being a cult is not
> necessarily bad in itself. Ham cult does not fit my interests. I am interested
> in the "other" technical aspects most Hams are not interested in.
Then why do you denigrate what other hams do?
And what are YOU doing with those "technical aspects"? Build any
radios lately? Antennas? Other projects?
Our licenses are for operating ham rigs, so don't put down hams for
wanting to do just that.
73 de Jim, N2EY
WA8ULX
>
>Who is the leader, then?
>
I am
JJ
Yea right.
JJ
Yea right.
JJ
WA8ULX wrote:
> PS the Test Was a Joke, it was even easier than the Novice I took many years
> ago.
Otherwise you would never have passed it.
WA8ULX
Hey CBplusser I could care less you think
WA8ULX
Doesnt that make you fell good that anybody can be an EXTRA now with no effort
or knowledge required.
JJ
WA8ULX wrote:
>>Yea right.
>
>
> Hey CBplusser I could care less you think
Hey CBer you can't even get that right, the phrase is, "I
*couldn't* care less *what* you think."
JJ
You're living proof.
N2EY
> "Vshah101" <vsha...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20030116003652...@mb-fr.aol.com...
>
> > Referring to demographics, Ham radio is 95% male, large percentage are
> > old,
> > large percentage (visibly higher than general population) are overweight.
> > This
> > should not matter except that the hobby must attract/create these types of
> > people to have such high percentages.
>
> *Scratching head* Gee, let's see... I don't answer to *any* of the above
> traits, so it must've been something else that attracted me to the hobby.
> It was the Spirit of the Radio that brought me in (being a longtime SW
> listener and having ham friends who were also SW listeners, mostly). I think
> the hobby attracts technical types, for sure. But I have met enough hams now
> that don't fit your description that I don't feel like the odd person out.
Also, there's not much that can be done about some of the
characteristics Vipul names. Most us are stuck with our gender and
age, f'rinstance.
> I'm female, (relatively) young and not overweight. I am a geek, however, and
> I think that's almost a prerequisite to get into any technical hobby- and I
> think of the term "geek" as a compliment. :-)
Works for me!
>
> > I do not denigrate Ham radio to non Hams. I say that I am in Ham Radio and
> > praise/defend it.
>
> Sure Vipul. Just like you do in your posts to rec.radio.cb.
You just outed him, Jackie!
>
> > "Ham" radio is different than Amateur radio. "Ham" radio is very much a
> cult.
>
> Well, maybe I'd best get my sorry behind to a "deprogramming center" ASAP.
There's one on Main Street in Newington, CT. I've actually been there.
Nice folks.
>
> > I am interested in the "other" technical aspects most Hams are not
> interested in.
>
> There are lots of aspects of AR to get into, certainly. If you prefer to go
> off on your own to enjoy them, then so be it.
Isn't that pretty much what most of us do? We find the parts we like
and ignore the parts we don't. Heck, I wish I had the time, resources
and longevity to do all the things in ham radio that interest me!
> Just don't insinuate that the
> rest of us are aimless, blind Ham-sheep that're lured in by the siren-song
> of some cult leader. Which is simply ridiculous, if that's what you believe.
Well said!
Reading those rrcb posts confirmed my suspicions. Vipul and 'ULX are
basically saying the same things. And share the same lack of facts and
logic. Neither's worth the time.
73 de Jim, N2EY
baa bit baa bit baa baa bit baaaaaa
KØHB
"Vshah101" <vsha...@aol.com> wrote
: Referring to demographics, Ham radio is 95% male-
Certainly a large percentage is male, just like a large percentage of deer
hunters are male, a large percentage of machine knitters are female, a large
percentage of flower gardeners are female, and many other situations where
the participants in a particular hobby are skewed towards one gender or the
other. I don't see that as "strange".
: large percentage are old,
I suppose that depends on what you define as "old". A few years ago, before
the FCC stopped pubilishing the birthdate in their data, it was calculated
that the average age of licensed hams was 54 years old. Just
coincidentally, the state of Minnesota in the same year had stated that the
average age of a licensed driver in Minnesota was 52 years old. When you
think about it, that coincidence isn't surprising, since both licenses are
most often first obtained in late teen/early adult years, and generally kept
in force over the life of the licensee. The largest body of licensees then
fall in the group from 16 to perhaps 80. The "mean" age of that group falls
at 48, but the "average" age is skewed somewhat higher by the bubble of baby
boomers which is moving through. Thus an average age in the low-mid 50's
seems reasonable.
: large percentage (visibly higher than general population) are overweight.
Subjective opinion at best.
: Examples of strange include using codewords in ordinary conversation,
I agree that amateurs use language which contains "insider lingo" in their
conversations with each other. So do members of almost any interest
group/age group/profession that you'd like to name. Nothing strange about
that.
: putting call-sign on car license plate
Nothing strange about that. In my home state their are all sorts of
"special" license plates ..... veterans have them, college alumni have
them, environmentalists have them, firemen have them, and any citizen can
personalize their car license plates (for a fee). A very common thing, and
not at all "strange".
: wanting to learn Morse code
Since it's part of the licensing requirements for two or the three license
classes, what is strange about persons wanting to learn it? If you don't
learn it, you'd be restricted to only the Technician license class.
: hating CBers
Except for a few like WA8ULX, I don't think I personally know a single ham
who "hates" CB operators. Do you hate CB operators?
: Wuoff Hong, and other cult like beliefs.
You need to examine the definition of "cult". You are out to lunch on that!
73, de Hans, K0HB
WA8ULX
>
>
So you ought to be Happy.
WA8ULX
>who "hates" CB operators. Do you hate CB operators?
You most not know many Hams then.
Vshah101
>: large percentage (visibly higher than general population) are overweight.
>
>Subjective opinion at best.
Just go to a random Hamfest and you will see that this is true. And e-ham poll
agrees that large percentage of Hams are overweight.
>Do you hate CB operators?
No, I don't. To me its another frequency, not another culture.
Also, without CBers (AND their vehical demographics), the economy would
collapse. Hams are just icing on the cake, not as needed as CBers. Hams can be
replaced with public servants, CBers cannot. This claim seems reasonable, but
don't hold me to it - I just came up with this.
>: Wuoff Hong, and other cult like beliefs.
So, Wuoff Hong is not an example of a cult? How about pointing out the word Ham
in highway signs, regularly in QST?
Vshah101
> > "Ham" radio is different than Amateur radio. "Ham" radio is very much a
> cult.
>
> Well, maybe I'd best get my sorry behind to a "deprogramming center" ASAP.
--> There's one on Main Street in Newington, CT. I've actually been there.
Are you kidding?, the folks there are into the cult as much as anyone.
Speaking of deprogramming, once you learn Morse code above a certain speed, you
CANNOT forget it (even if you tried). You will automatically translate code
from movies or whereever else you might hear code.
>"Ham" radio is very much a cult.
Who is the leader, then?
A cult does not have to have a leader, just a unified belief system. However,
not all unified belief systems are cults.
-->Reading those rrcb posts confirmed my suspicions. Vipul and 'ULX -->are
basically saying the same things.
WA8ULX is a pro-coder, possibly an only-coder. I am not.
-->We haven't seen proof of your accusations either.
Go to a Hamfest. Take a non-Ham so you have some reference to compare. See what
non-Ham's impression is and you will know.
KØHB
:
: Also, without CBers (AND their vehical demographics), the economy would
: collapse. Hams are just icing on the cake, not as needed as CBers. Hams
can be
: replaced with public servants, CBers cannot.
:
Yesterday I commented that you seem moderately intelligent. I take it back.
With all kind wishes,
de Hans, K0HB
WA8ULX
>
Wrong WA8ULX is a REAL HAM, the rest of you wanna Bs are just CBplussers
KB9TMP
> From: "KØHB" kØh...@arrl.DOTORG
>
>
> >: large percentage (visibly higher than general population) are
overweight.
> >
> >Subjective opinion at best.
>
> Just go to a random Hamfest and you will see that this is true. And e-ham
poll
> agrees that large percentage of Hams are overweight.
I've got bad news for you Vipul just take a random walk
down the street. The U.S. population has shifted to a
higher percentage of overweight people, why would the
ham population be ANY different?
>
> >Do you hate CB operators?
>
> No, I don't. To me its another frequency, not another culture.
If you listen to both on the radio they are totally different,
except on a few 80 & 20 meter frequencies.
>
> Also, without CBers (AND their vehical demographics), the economy would
> collapse.
Just what are you smoking?
> Hams are just icing on the cake, not as needed as CBers.
You should really consider drug rehab!
> Hams can be
> replaced with public servants, CBers cannot.
WHAT?!?!?!
>This claim seems reasonable, but
> don't hold me to it - I just came up with this.
>
Vipul your village just called, their idiot is missing!
> >: Wuoff Hong, and other cult like beliefs.
>
> So, Wuoff Hong is not an example of a cult?
No, I've never seen one in an airport trying
to sell me flowers, and chanting Hare Krishna.
> How about pointing out the word Ham
> in highway signs, regularly in QST?
OK here goes, drive down I-65 in Indiana and
look for the exit sign for HAMburg, or drive
in Ohio and find the sign for HAMilton.
In the Northern part of Indiana we have
signs directing you to HAMmond
Vipul just give it up, write the FCC and
tell them you don't want your license
any more and go away! Leave us cult
loving, fat, code word speaking HAMs alone!
--
WW - KB9TMP
Beware of the man who works hard to learn something,
learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is
full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant
without having come by their ignorance the hard way.
-Peer's Law
N2EY
(Vshah101) writes:
>>Do you hate CB operators?
>
>No, I don't. To me its another frequency, not another culture.
Never listened to the HF ham bands, have you?
>
>Also, without CBers (AND their vehical demographics), the economy would
>collapse.
How?
>Hams are just icing on the cake, not as needed as CBers.
Just the opposite. In these parts, cb antennas on houses and cars are rarer
than ham antennas.
How many cbers are there in the USA, anyhow?
>Hams can be
>replaced with public servants, CBers cannot.
HAW - that's a rip-snorter! You must be into the good stuff, Vipul!
>This claim seems reasonable, but
>don't hold me to it - I just came up with this.
It's not reasonable at all, and we'll hold you to it.
N2EY