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Milton E. Tinkoff
given as to why the Klingons in TNG look radically different from the ones from
TOS?
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Robert J. Granvin
>Forgive me if this has been discussed before but was there ever an explanation
>given as to why the Klingons in TNG look radically different from the ones from
>TOS?
They accidentally intercepted old Earth broadcasts of Mork and Mindy on
their empire-wide cable network, and their brains exploded. (The ones
that you saw in TOS were away from the TV getting nachos and Pace Picante
Sauce, and were spared).
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>given as to why the Klingons in TNG look radically different from the ones from
>TOS?
Yes. Paramount put more money into Star Trek film material after TOS, so they
had the ability to make the Klingons look more alien.
Oh, you want a *Trek universe* explanation. Um... puberty?
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D. Joseph Creighton
>TOS?
Uh oh... Here we go again! :)
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Scott Johnson
ME> Forgive me if this has been discussed before but was there ever
ME> an explanation given as to why the Klingons in TNG look
ME> radically different from the ones from TOS?
GOBS of them. Some include: 1. The "new" klingons are a racial
off-shoot that won out in a political upheaval on the homeworld. 2. The
royalty of the klingons look like the new ones, the commoners look like
the old ones 3. A disease wiped out all but ones with funny shaped
ridges on their heads 4. (I think this is Roddenberry's) They always
looked like that, you just never noticed.
Which (if any) of these is correct I will leave to the "cannon"
weenies that sometimes post their bulls on this echo.
Myrddin ap Taliesin
> Forgive me if this has been discussed before but was there ever an explanation
> given as to why the Klingons in TNG look radically different from the ones from
> TOS?
Here we go again (you are, though, forgiven):
1. Klingons have always looked this way. Try focusing your set when
you watch TOS episodes. Actually, it was a matter of special effects.
This is the appearance Roddenberry had in mind for TOS, but could not
afford it on his budget.
2. The TOS Klingons were genetically engineered to look more human
(source: FASA). This put the humans more at ease when they encountered
Klingons, and made Klingon infiltration of the Federation easier, as in
"The Trouble with Tribbles."
3. The Klingon species is an old one, with several different races.
Some resemble Terran Europeans, like the Klingons from "The Trouble with
Tribbles." Others resemble Terran Orientals, such as the Klingons in
"Errand of Mercy." Still other Klingons look less human than the
others, and have crests on the foreheads.
However, these crests are allegedly extensions of the spinal
column, and therefore there is substantial skeletal difference between
the Imperial Klingons and others. This has been accounted to two
possibilities:
1) At some point, the Klingons interbred with another species,
whether overlords such as _Ishmael_'s Karsids or a conquered
species. One or the other main branches of Klingon springs
from this cross-species union.
2) There are several species of "Klingon"; that is, a conquered
peoples are assimilated into Klingon culture and are called
Klingons even though, biologically speaking, they are not.
As I understand, these different races/species contest for control
of the Empire, and at some point between TOS and TNG, the Klingons of
which race Worf is a member overcame those of whom Kang was a member and
became the "new" Imperial Klingons.
The first option, that they have always looked this way, is the
official view of Gene Roddenberry, and therefore probably "the way
things really are." This is a disappointing fact, as it kills a lot of
creativity. We will never see an episode of TNG where Worf meets a crew
of atypical Klingons (non-crestheaded ones) and is forced to confront
his own racist/bigoted attitudes toward Klingons not of his ilk.
Too bad. It would be interesting to see TNG deal with racism.
Dave Learn lea...@lafcol.uucp
Klingons for Christ dl...@lafayacs.bitnet
(215) 250-8022 lea...@lafayett.bitnet
Wesley: Gosh, Worf, how do Klingons get baptized? With water?
Worf: Klingons do *NOT* get baptized with water. We prefer fire.
Aaron
>Forgive me if this has been discussed before but was there ever an explanation
>given as to why the Klingons in TNG look radically different from the ones from
>TOS?
>
discusses this subject at any kind of length is FASA's ST:RPG. (I know, I
know, it's not . . . **CANON** . . .) In a posting at end of last month, I
talked about their system, which held that there were THREE types of Klingon
being: the real, or IMPERIAL Klingon (the Ridgeheads from the movies and TNG),
a Klingon/Human Fusion (Klingon genetic works, possibly; seen in TOS); and a
Klingon/Romulan Fusion, which is never seen anywhere but the game. This didn't
receive a whole lot of flame before, so either people were ignorant of anything
on this subject or they accepted it fairly gracefully. Anyway, if you want to talk more, drop me some e-mail.
Success to you all, and mnhei'sahe!
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David Mears
> Klingons (non-crestheaded ones) and is forced to confront his own
> racist/bigoted attitudes toward Klingons not of his ilk.
>
> Too bad. It would be interesting to see TNG deal with racism.
Ah, but you forget! Remember the episode where Worf refuses to give
his body products to the Romulan who is dying? That was very clearly
dealing with racism. Worf refuses to help the Romulan because the
Romulans killed his parents at Kittemar, not because of anything about
that one particular Romulan. Beverly even points that out. This is
just as much bigotry on Worf's part, as say, someone who hates all
Japanese (and calls them slurs) because of World War II. So, you see?
They did cover the topic, only in such a way so that they didn't beat
you about the head and shoulders with it.
> Dave Learn lea...@lafcol.uucp
> Klingons for Christ dl...@lafayacs.bitnet
> (215) 250-8022 lea...@lafayett.bitnet
David B. Mears
Hewlett-Packard
Cupertino CA
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Mike O'Connor
me...@hpindda.cup.hp.com (David Mears) writes:
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| Ah, but you forget! Remember the episode where Worf refuses to give
| his body products to the Romulan who is dying? That was very clearly
| dealing with racism. Worf refuses to help the Romulan because the
| Romulans killed his parents at Kittemar, not because of anything about
| that one particular Romulan. Beverly even points that out. This is
| just as much bigotry on Worf's part, as say, someone who hates all
| Japanese (and calls them slurs) because of World War II. So, you see?
The difference: unlike what the auto makers would have us believe, we
are not at war with the Japanese. Relations with the Romulans are not
nearly as friendly.
| They did cover the topic, only in such a way so that they didn't beat
| you about the head and shoulders with it.
Using Worf? He WOULD beat you about the head and shoulders... right
after ripping off your arms and legs! :)
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