pak for 5.4
Phillip Williams
At a auction I got VMS 5.4 on 9 track tape. Great!!!, but after looking
thru the contents I dont see a pak. It has a VAXcluster but no VMS pak.
Now what??? On the bom everything is there. This is a complete 5.4 kit
with DECwindows and the cluster software. Should I call DEC and see
what they will charge for a pak/update to 6.1.!!!
tks phillip
Ed Wilts
What you purchased was the media, not a license to run it. Depending on the
CPU size and the number of users you want to support, the price will be
anywhere from about $500 to $50K+.
Why did you buy the software if you don't already have a Vax? And if you do
have a Vax, you've already got the PAK.
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Ed Shannonhouse
In article <0098FE35.0...@earth.oscs.montana.edu>, Mark Tarka <ich...@earth.oscs.montana.edu> writes:
>In article <1995May4.2...@venus.gov.bc.ca>,
>ewi...@vmsmail.gov.bc.ca (Ed Wilts) writes:
>
>[NB Quote symbol is "| " for the current message.]
>| In article <D82LC...@indirect.com>, pdw...@indirect.com (Phillip Williams)
>| writes:
>| > At a auction I got VMS 5.4 on 9 track tape. Great!!!, but after looking
>| > thru the contents I dont see a pak. It has a VAXcluster but no VMS pak.
>| > Now what??? On the bom everything is there. This is a complete 5.4 kit
>| > with DECwindows and the cluster software. Should I call DEC and see
>| > what they will charge for a pak/update to 6.1.!!!
<snip>
>I read that the right thing to do is to contact DEC and transfer the
>pak to the new owner, yes? What's the cost of the transfer?
I thought that a license for OpenVMS/VMS is not transferable, that the O/S
is capital (therefore it can depreciate) and is treated the same as the computer
hardware. Is this the way it is or have I been misinformed?
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Mark Tarka
[NB Quote symbol is "| " for the current message.]
| In article <D82LC...@indirect.com>, pdw...@indirect.com (Phillip Williams)
| writes:
| > At a auction I got VMS 5.4 on 9 track tape. Great!!!, but after looking
| > thru the contents I dont see a pak. It has a VAXcluster but no VMS pak.
| > Now what??? On the bom everything is there. This is a complete 5.4 kit
| > with DECwindows and the cluster software. Should I call DEC and see
| > what they will charge for a pak/update to 6.1.!!!
| What you purchased was the media, not a license to run it. Depending on the
| CPU size and the number of users you want to support, the price will be
| anywhere from about $500 to $50K+.
PAK? Might you mean a paper folder labeled "License PAK Software
License Produce Authorization Key", with a sheet of paper dated
21-JAN-1991 held by light blue ribbon and the word "CHECKSUM"
appearing just before the copyright symbol? Suppose someone had
tapes, VMS LIC KEY (1986) and VMS 5.3 with upgrades all the way to
5.5 (1991); is it too much to assume that if that person ever get
around to trying to load the software into the machine, he or she
would have a fair chance to get it to work?
I read that the right thing to do is to contact DEC and transfer the
pak to the new owner, yes? What's the cost of the transfer? And
wouldn't that be an admission that the terms of the authorization
key were violated!
Mark
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Phillip Williams
: Hello
: At a auction I got VMS 5.4 on 9 track tape. Great!!!, but after looking
: thru the contents I dont see a pak. It has a VAXcluster but no VMS pak.
: Now what??? On the bom everything is there. This is a complete 5.4 kit
: with DECwindows and the cluster software. Should I call DEC and see
: what they will charge for a pak/update to 6.1.!!!
: tks phillip
I should note that my vaxs are already running 4.7.
Richard B. Gilbert [VAX]
>
>In article <0098FE35.0...@earth.oscs.montana.edu>, Mark Tarka
><ich...@earth.oscs.montana.edu> writes:
>>ewi...@vmsmail.gov.bc.ca (Ed Wilts) writes:
>>
>>[NB Quote symbol is "| " for the current message.]
>>| In article <D82LC...@indirect.com>, pdw...@indirect.com (Phillip Williams)
>>| writes:
>>I read that the right thing to do is to contact DEC and transfer the
>>pak to the new owner, yes? What's the cost of the transfer?
>
>
>is capital (therefore it can depreciate) and is treated the same as the computer
>hardware. Is this the way it is or have I been misinformed?
You have been misinformed! System Integrated Products; e.g. VMS,
DECnet, VWS, DW/Motif (I think) and maybe a couple of others are transferrable
but only with the CPU for which they were originally licensed. There is a fee
($300/transaction not per license) to have licenses transferred and new PAKs
issued in your name.
Layered products; e.g. Fortran, C, LSE, etc, are transferrable only
within the company that originally purchased them. You can move the licenses
to any other machine for which they are valid (e.g. have sufficient units,
right activity code, etc).
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man...@decus.org.au
> At a auction I got VMS 5.4 on 9 track tape. Great!!!, but after looking
> Now what??? On the bom everything is there. This is a complete 5.4 kit
> with DECwindows and the cluster software. Should I call DEC and see
> what they will charge for a pak/update to 6.1.!!!
>
> tks phillip
I suggest that prior to making that phone call, you do whatever
suits you to get in a very relaxed state...... drink/drugs/meditation..
whatever, then, make the call from a recumbant position......
you are in for a shock! ;-)
Seriously, the fact of having bought the distribution does _not_
mean that you have bought the right to use the software. Even if you
found a working Pak in the plastic bag, it is _still_ not legal for you
to use it. (At least in Digital's opinion, and they probably have more
tame lawyers than you!)
regards,
CrazyCam Nostalgic and Obsolete Products SIG
DECUS Australia
Mike Stubblefield
writes:
> Seriously, the fact of having bought the distribution does _not_
>mean that you have bought the right to use the software. Even if you
>found a working Pak in the plastic bag, it is _still_ not legal for you
>to use it. (At least in Digital's opinion, and they probably have more
>tame lawyers than you!)
>
One thing you might look at is the label on the tape. If the tape says
VMS 5.4 bin WITH WARRANTY, although you are not legally allowed to use
it, the pak for VMS is included on the tape and will install as a part of
the VMSINSTAL function. Technically, you must own a license on the
machine you want to use the software on and technically must buy an
upgrade... That upgrade is just paperwork. Then you may use the binaries,
separately purchasable...
Richard Seymour
Richard B. Gilbert [VAX] <76702...@compuserve.com> wrote:
> System Integrated Products; e.g. VMS,
>DECnet, VWS, DW/Motif (I think) and maybe a couple of others are transferrable
>but only with the CPU for which they were originally licensed. There is a fee
>($300/transaction not per license) to have licenses transferred and new PAKs
>issued in your name.
> Layered products; e.g. Fortran, C, LSE, etc, are transferrable only
>within the company that originally purchased them. You can move the licenses
>to any other machine for which they are valid (e.g. have sufficient units,
>right activity code, etc).
ahhh, memories... back around 1989, the transfer was free (just fill out a
multipart form and send it to DEC)
But the -best- memory is of the mid-80's Fall DECUS in San Francisco (the
Muscone Ctr, i believe), when Digital announced a change in policy re: license
transfer.
They were going to -disallow- transfers of the base VMS license if machine
ownership changed.
(i pity the poor person they chose to make that announcement (whatever happend
to her in later years? who at DEC Corporate hated her so much?)...)
picture a -large- hall (cavern) with over 2000 VMS managers and the like
sitting there... the "we will no longer transfer the license, the new owner
has to purchase a new license" announcement.
ever hear a pin drop in an airplane hanger?
Stunned silence is the appropriate descriptor.
i forget who asked the first question (one of the very nice, true Pillars
of Decus and the volunteer spirit it represented, and wearing a suit),
but it was something along the line of: (spoken quietly and -very- evenly)
"And just who do we tell our corporate lawyers to talk to, since Digital has
just converted millions of dollars of capital assets we've been depreciating
to zero?"
I think the announcement was on a Tuesday (or Monday evening).
The policy was "reviewed", and i believe was fully rescinded by Thursday.
--dick