Frank Bruno
Farmer Alfalfa
the murkier depths of free-to-air digital TV.
At about 6 pm this evening I noticed Sky Sports News flashing up the legend
"Frank Bruno sectioned under mental health act"
BBC did not mention it on the 6 o'clock news and only an hour later did any
of the BBC teletext services report it. Even then they said that he had been
taken to hospital for treatment.
Which is right?
F A
Ian F.
"Farmer Alfalfa" <Alf...@bighouse.net> wrote in message
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> At about 6 pm this evening I noticed Sky Sports News flashing up the
legend
> "Frank Bruno sectioned under mental health act"
http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30100-12801941,00.html
Ian
_ k o s h e r @hotmail.com Hognoxious
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"Recently, he had gone through a painful and costly divorce from wife
Laura."
What colour is she?
Lee J. Moore
>
> At about 6 pm this evening I noticed Sky Sports News flashing up the
> legend "Frank Bruno sectioned under mental health act"
Even Sky's headline is more compassionate than the Sun headline: "Bonkers
Bruno Locked Up."
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Sam Nelson
"Lee J. Moore" <l...@cafe-society.com> writes:
> Farmer Alfalfa wrote:
> >
> > At about 6 pm this evening I noticed Sky Sports News flashing up the
> > legend "Frank Bruno sectioned under mental health act"
>
> Even Sky's headline is more compassionate than the Sun headline: "Bonkers
> Bruno Locked Up."
Changed in later editions, apparently, from `Bonkers' to `Sad'.
--
SAm.
Lee J. Moore
>
>> Even Sky's headline is more compassionate than the Sun headline: "Bonkers
>> Bruno Locked Up."
>
> Changed in later editions, apparently, from `Bonkers' to `Sad'.
A compassionate, last minute change of heart from The Sun eh?
I know they've had many complaints (from charities like MiND, etc.) over the
years regarding their liberal use of the word 'bonkers' to describe anybody
suffering depression to deranged mass-murderers. It's about time they
expanded their vocabulary a little.
owen
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>
> "Recently, he had gone through a painful and costly divorce from wife
> Laura."
>
> What colour is she?
>
Why is that relevant ?
Owen
Fillius
did'nt seem to be a very happy camper, poor old Frank. "Know what I mean
Arry'
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>
> It's about time they expanded their vocabulary a little.
Yeah, those Sun writers are all bonkers.
Regards
Mark
@my_last_name.org.uk Richard Caley
>> Changed in later editions, apparently, from `Bonkers' to `Sad'.
ljm> A compassionate, last minute change of heart from The Sun eh?
Bothof the readers who can operate the telephone (ona good day)
phoned in to complain.
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Joe
The same colour as Chris Eubank's wife.
Btw, are you just curious or do you have a theory?
Joe
Mike Swift
society.com> writes
>I know they've had many complaints (from charities like MiND, etc.) over
>the years regarding their liberal use of the word 'bonkers' to describe
>anybody suffering depression to deranged mass-murderers. It's about
>time they expanded their vocabulary a little.
>--
Bloody 'ell, you mean double the size of their dictionary by putting an
extra page in it.
Mike
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Lee J. Moore
>
> ljm> A compassionate, last minute change of heart from The Sun eh?
>
> Bothof the readers who can operate the telephone (ona good day)
> phoned in to complain.
LOL! When Anna Botting on Sky News was discussing the morning papers, she
said "oh!" - briefly flashing the headline across the screen before quickly
grabbing a copy of The Times to discuss.
If she must disassociate herself from The Sun with such pangs of conscience,
she should go the whole hog, give in her notice and look for another boss.
If Sky News insists on a "What the Papers Say" segment, they should be
discussing headlines like this instead of brushing them aside.
Farmer Alfalfa
"Lee J. Moore" <l...@cafe-society.com> wrote in message
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What - and lose 90% of their readership? I wonder how much room there is
left in Guantanamo Bay?
F A
Farmer Alfalfa
Their teletext output is dancing all round the story by saying that "police
had to assist paramedics in taking Frank to hospital".
The Wright stuff on five (we can't call it Channel 5 any more) used the word
"sectioned".
F A
Andrew Howe
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Don't come here often, eh? It's an in joke.
Tony Walton
>
>
> At about 6 pm this evening I noticed Sky Sports News flashing up the legend
> "Frank Bruno sectioned under mental health act"
>
> [An hour later, BBC teletext] said that he had been
> taken to hospital for treatment.
>
> Which is right?
Both. Why do you think the two statements are mutually exclusive?
--
Tony
Ian
Both, he has been sectioned and taken to a hospital for treatment. That's
what sectioning is for, treating people who are seriously mentally ill but
who do not believe they need treatment, the illness reducing the sufferer's
ability to rationally make a decision on whether they need treatment.
mick
Andrew Howe wrote:
> According to someone on Popbitch.
Oooh! You said black. You`ll be in for the knack now:)
mick
Duncan
"Sam Nelson" <s...@ssrl.org.uk> wrote in message
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People were apparently tearing the front covers off the early editions in
disgust.
http://media.guardian.co.uk/presspublishing/story/0,7495,1047966,00.html
Duncan
Ian
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Why should there be any shame in suffering from serious depression? It would
be much more sensible to blame people who get cancer or heart disease who
are smokers and have an unhealthy lifestyle. At least they had some choice.
Would we see a headline "Stupid [insert celebrity] smokes himself into
cancer ward?"
Interesting link about head injuries and depression in later life here;
http://www.canoe.ca/Health0201/15_warvets-ap.html
Evil Noodle
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Isn't one of the sectioning criteria that they are a danger to themselves
or others? and as for "treatment" so often it's just papering over the
cracks and stripping that person of the last shred of dignity they had
with heavy duty medication.
He may well have been in a bit of a state before but I wonder how he
is now?
Lee J. Moore
>
>> Changed in later editions, apparently, from `Bonkers' to `Sad'.
>
> People were apparently tearing the front covers off the early editions in
> disgust.
>
> http://media.guardian.co.uk/presspublishing/story/0,7495,1047966,00.html
Very pleased to read that. This 'bonkers' thing (in The Sun) has been going
on for years and charities like Mind have been expressing their disgust at
such language during the whole of that time. Disappointed though, that it
takes a bit of a 'Diana affect' to get them to pull the page and republish
a completely contradictory article. Turning 'bonkers' into 'sad' and 'nut'
into 'hero' is just damning and Rebekah Wade should be hung, drawn and
mortared in front of 119 Farringdon Road, EC1 just as soon as a
bloodthirsty crowd of liberals can be arranged.
What's the address of that flash mob site again? ;)
Lee J. Moore
>
> Why should there be any shame in suffering from serious depression? It
> would be much more sensible to blame people who get cancer or heart
> disease who are smokers and have an unhealthy lifestyle. At least they had
> some choice.
Hear hear. Very well said indeed.
Motor
> If she must disassociate herself from The Sun with such pangs of
> conscience, she should go the whole hog, give in her notice and look for
> another boss.
On the subject of Murdoch scum. I watched Bill O'Reilly on Fox News again
last night. They were discussing sex education for American children, and
how it shouldn't follow the evil european model because it was corrupting
their children. He was interviewing (and I use the word loosely) a
researcher about how it is done in Holland. The researcher pointed out
that it worked -- teen pregnancy in the U.S. is the highest in the world
-- and that sex education should be driven by research and not ideology.
This got Bill all riled up... leading to this:
"Yeah, but we are the most effective society in the world. They, Western
Europe, are socialists and we are capitalists... and that's all that needs
to be said."
The look on the researcher's face was great -- a sort of bemused
half-smile that screamed WHAT A FUCKING CRETIN!
It would be a magnificent bit of theatre if only:
a. He didn't *really* believe it.
b. Lots and lots of stupid people took him seriously.
Ian
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> On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 11:34:22 +0100, Lee J. Moore wrote:
>
> > If she must disassociate herself from The Sun with such pangs of
> > conscience, she should go the whole hog, give in her notice and look for
> > another boss.
>
> On the subject of Murdoch scum. I watched Bill O'Reilly on Fox News again
> last night. They were discussing sex education for American children, and
> how it shouldn't follow the evil european model because it was corrupting
> their children. He was interviewing (and I use the word loosely) a
> researcher about how it is done in Holland. The researcher pointed out
> that it worked -- teen pregnancy in the U.S. is the highest in the world
> -- and that sex education should be driven by research and not ideology.
> This got Bill all riled up... leading to this:
>
> "Yeah, but we are the most effective society in the world. They, Western
> Europe, are socialists and we are capitalists... and that's all that needs
> to be said."
>
The higher GDP per capita in the US is almost entirely due to the fact that
in europe most workers have a shorter working week and take about four weeks
of holiday a year whereas in the US they take about two. Comparing GDP per
hour worked europe is on a par or higher than the US and several of the
european countries which are higher are some of the most "socialist" ones
eg. Norway, Denmark.Wanting to take more holidays is hardly an economic
failure.
The same can be said of Japan, longer hours, less holidays but lower
productivity than in europe, but even more so.
See
http://www.cordis.lu/indicators/ind_productivity_pps.htm
Joe
wrote:
The word "bonkers" sounds almost as anachronistic as the Sun's
frequent use of the word "bonk".
Also reminds me of something DJs Smashie and Nicey (Harry Enfield and
Paul Whitehouse) would say, i.e. "That's blooming bonkers barmy, mate.
Sure is, mate".
The media really should be a little more sensitive when referring to
fruitcakes, and calling them bonkers is not the way to go about it.
I would suggest use of the term "compos-mentisally challenged".
Joe
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>
>
> Andrew Howe wrote:
> > According to someone on Popbitch.
>
> Oooh! You said black. You`ll be in for the knack now:)
Nah, I'm running interference for him and drawing the flak, at least till
A.J.Moss gets here.
_ k o s h e r @hotmail.com Hognoxious
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> People were apparently tearing the front covers off the early editions in
> disgust.
>
> http://media.guardian.co.uk/presspublishing/story/0,7495,1047966,00.html
>
Marjorie Wallace, the chief executive of Sane, said the Sun's stance was an
"insult" to Bruno and to others suffering from mental illness. "It is both
an insult to Mr Bruno and damaging to the many thousands of people who
endure mental illness to label him as 'bonkers' or 'a nutter' and having to
be 'put in a mental home',"
she said, and then continued:
"The Editor must be fucking barmy to allow such a headline, I mean what was
she thinking, the loopy cow!"
before adding:
"I'll get me coat. No, it goes the other way round".
_ k o s h e r @hotmail.com Hognoxious
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> On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 13:19:11 +0100, "Evil Noodle"
<evil.noodle@@ntlworld.com>
...
> To be sectioned you have to be fairly well gone (you don't get sectioned
for
> deep depression these days, you have a community psychiatry nurse with
> medication attending you at home for that) People who get sectioned tend
to
> be suffering from things like paranoid schizophrenia, hallucinations,
> delusions etc.
Well he does keep speaking to some invisible chap called 'Arry'...
Adrian Bailey
> In article <22175539....@cafe.lan>,
> "Lee J. Moore" <l...@cafe-society.com> writes:
> > Farmer Alfalfa wrote:
> > >
> > > At about 6 pm this evening I noticed Sky Sports News flashing up the
> > > legend "Frank Bruno sectioned under mental health act"
> >
> > Even Sky's headline is more compassionate than the Sun headline: "Bonkers
> > Bruno Locked Up."
>
> Changed in later editions, apparently, from `Bonkers' to `Sad'.
Does anyone have a link for a pic of the original Sun headline? Or
could someone scan it in (to a binaries ng)?
Ta,
Adrian
Duncan
Hundreds of complaints. Ten complaints to Press Complaints Commission.
Incredibly contrite tone expected tomorrow.
http://media.guardian.co.uk/presspublishing/story/0,7495,1048169,00.html
Duncan
Duncan
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Here you go...
http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Media/Pix/pictures/2003/09/23/Sun5.jpg
Duncan
Farmer Alfalfa
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> Marjorie Wallace, the chief executive of Sane,
What - the former Miss World?
F A
tomScotland
"Joe" <J...@the.office> wrote in message
> I would suggest use of the term "compos-mentisally challenged".
Why? He's obviously mentally ill. It really pisses me off that even in this
day and age mental illness is still looked on by the majority of people as
being something other than a health issue.
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>
>The criteria for sectioning someone varies between the various mental
>health authorities.
Surely the criteria are fixed by the relevant sections of the Mental
Health Act (hence the name). The local authorities may have different
policies as to when they can be bothered taking the initiative,
admittedly.
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Lee J. Moore
>
>> > Even Sky's headline is more compassionate than the Sun headline:
>> > "Bonkers Bruno Locked Up."
>>
>> Changed in later editions, apparently, from `Bonkers' to `Sad'.
>
> Does anyone have a link for a pic of the original Sun headline? Or
> could someone scan it in (to a binaries ng)?
I can't post to a binary ng due to lack of access, nor can I scan the front
page because apparently my scanner is dead (just discovered!), but I've
taken a picture of the newspaper on my desk with a digital camera.
High resolution (1200x1600) so you'll have to zoom out to see it in full.
Compressed it down to 135KB without it becoming too fuzzy. :)
http://www.leej.dsl.pipex.com/images/bruno-sun.jpg
Col
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>
> disgust.
How they can be so crass and insensitive is beyond me.
Doesn't say much for you average Sun reader does it, or at least
what The Sun *thinks* is their average reader.
The Sun do not appear to realise they are about 25 years out of date
when it comes to their attitude towards mental illness.
Col
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Motor
> The same can be said of Japan, longer hours, less holidays but lower
> productivity than in europe, but even more so.
>
> See
> http://www.cordis.lu/indicators/ind_productivity_pps.htm
Wow... the population of Luxembourg is really working his arse off! :)
James Bremner
mot...@hotmail.com says...
> On the subject of Murdoch scum. I watched Bill O'Reilly on Fox News again
> last night. They were discussing sex education for American children, and
> how it shouldn't follow the evil european model because it was corrupting
> their children. He was interviewing (and I use the word loosely) a
> researcher about how it is done in Holland. The researcher pointed out
> that it worked -- teen pregnancy in the U.S. is the highest in the world
> -- and that sex education should be driven by research and not ideology.
> This got Bill all riled up... leading to this:
>
> "Yeah, but we are the most effective society in the world. They, Western
> Europe, are socialists and we are capitalists... and that's all that needs
> to be said."
>
> The look on the researcher's face was great -- a sort of bemused
> half-smile that screamed WHAT A FUCKING CRETIN!
>
> It would be a magnificent bit of theatre if only:
>
> a. He didn't *really* believe it.
> b. Lots and lots of stupid people took him seriously.
>
Bill is hilarious! I remember one memorable episode of his Factor where
he achieved a superb double bill. He began by interviewing someone who
was organising a boycott of Rush Limbaugh ( right wing talk show guy, in
case anyone doesnt care). He was going at this guy hammer and tongs for
trying to stop Rush's freedom of speech. He seems to be unaware that
freedom of speech is not the same as obligation to listen. Then, when the
liberal fellow tried to put him right, he said to his director, "Cut off
this guys mic, we dont want to hear his rubbish anymore".. Genius!
Then, on the same show he was interviewing some guy whose father had died
in the WTC on 11th Sept. This young man was a staunch oponent of the "War
on Terror" and believed his father would have been as well. But,
naturally Bill knew better and told him that his father would be ashamed
and that Bill knew the daddy would have been right behind Bush in what he
was doing.
--
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Duh? Buh.
Farmer Alfalfa
"Col" <Reddw...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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...and their readers are oh - let's see - 24 years out of date - no wonder
they reacted in typical fashion at this outrageous affront to their precious
dignity.
A plague on all of them!
F A
Thanatos
e r @hotmail.com> wrote:
>Marjorie Wallace, the chief executive of Sane
I wonder if they have those little signs up in their offices:
"You don't have to be mad to work here...."
Perhaps not. :-)
Radiohead
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Do they subscribe to MAD magazine?
Adrian Bailey
You are kind indeed, sir. And Pammy and Charlie at no extra charge! Thanks,
Adrian
Adrian Bailey
> I can't post to a binary ng due to lack of access, nor can I scan the front
> page because apparently my scanner is dead (just discovered!), but I've
> taken a picture of the newspaper on my desk with a digital camera.
>
> High resolution (1200x1600) so you'll have to zoom out to see it in full.
> Compressed it down to 135KB without it becoming too fuzzy. :)
>
> http://www.leej.dsl.pipex.com/images/bruno-sun.jpg
Beyond the call of duty! Pammy and Charlie too! Thanks!
Adrian
Andy Mabbett
<Alf...@bighouse.net> writes
>"Frank Bruno sectioned under mental health act"
>Even then they said that he had been taken to hospital for treatment.
>Which is right?
The two are the same.
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Andy Mabbett
<i...@nospam.com> writes
>That's what sectioning is for, treating people who are seriously
>mentally ill but who do not believe they need treatment, the illness
>reducing the sufferer's ability to rationally make a decision on
>whether they need treatment.
Here's a good explanation of the process here:
<http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2204983.stm>
Andy Mabbett
>schizophrenia, hallucinations, delusions etc.
Not necessarily. People can also be sectioned when they're suicidal.
Lee J. Moore
>
> No. For a GP to section you, you have to be dead first for he/she to take
> you serious enough.
LOL! Sounds about right. ;)