Japanese Fence Tie?
Yvonne Chang
point down so the rain does not get into it. Here is a photo of the knot.
www.knottingartist.com/images/fencetie.jpg.
Yvonne
Brian Grimley
There is a file showing how to tie a Japanese Fence Knot at:
http://www.bamboofencer.com/Knot.htm .
I have seen three different ways to wrap the twine around the crossed
bamboo poles; but, the traditional knot used to end the wrapping was
always a "Wall Knot".
It seems to me that the knot used to end the fence tie in your
photograph is a "Single Bow Knot" (slipped reef knot) ABOK #1211.
(always difficult to tell from a photograph. :-)) I would be surprised
if this was a photo of a traditional Japanese fence tie.
Another example of a "Wall Knot" used to end a Japanese binding is
here:
http://osaka70.site.ne.jp/e/rope/japanese.html. It is not a Japanese
fence tie; but I thought you might be interested.
Hope this helps. If you find more information, please post!
All the best - Brian.
ben
>It is not a Japanese fence tie; but I thought you might be interested.
interesting, yes Brian
I have seen this intriguing knot:
http://www1.ocn.ne.jp/~tatsujin/ropework/
now it has a name: KAKINE MUSUBI !
it seems to earn many stars
can anyone figure out what its merits are?
is it a binder, a tie?
is this the alternative way to finish an anchorbend?
know knot how
ben
roo
but do you know Japanese, too? :) Google's language tools have
improved a lot, but they don't have Japanese as an option yet.
arja...@zonnet.nl (ben) wrote in message news:<20f78f6e.03071...@posting.google.com>...
Brian Grimley
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> http://www1.ocn.ne.jp/~tatsujin/ropework/
>
> now it has a name: KAKINE MUSUBI !
>
> it seems to earn many stars
> can anyone figure out what its merits are?
>
> is it a binder, a tie?
> is this the alternative way to finish an anchorbend?
>
The following notes are made from trying to translate from the
Japanese to English using an online translation program.
The Japanese side of the Boy Scouts OSAKA 70 site says:
1. Now it is used for tying a string on a parcel.
2. It is said it was used for connecting (tying) a fence originally
since the knot is beautiful.
The site you posted above says:
1. Since it was conclusion (knot) suitable for making a fence, this
name stuck.
2. "Intensity (strength)": five stars
3. "The degree of practical use": three stars
4. "The ease of connecting (tying): three stars
5. "The ease of solving (learning)": one star.
The words in brackets are my quesses at the meaning of the translated
words.
From the above, I think:
1. The knot is a binding knot.
2. Although the dictionary definition of Kakine is "hedge", I think
Kakine Musubi might be more accurately translated as "Fence Knot".
However, I think the best name for this knot is Kakine Musubi!
I must agree with you - it is an intriguing knot!
Brian.
Dan Lehman
> I have seen this intriguing knot:
> http://www1.ocn.ne.jp/~tatsujin/ropework/ [...]
www1.ocn.ne.jp/~tatsujin/ropework/kakine/index.htm
Which URL I clipped before realizing what the exact issue of this thread
was, wondering about it like you! Brian's find reveals the actual knot,
clearly (although it might be that indeed there is a different one shown
at the site above--they have some goofs in other knots, I see).
(Goof: their Butterfly-LIKE mid-loop is clearly TWO knots, the one in
diagram I recognize, and the one in rope cannot be the same (there are
no *collars* around those SParts, which dive straight into the center
of the knot from above vs. either side; they show a Carrick only in
what I call the "lattice" form--seized or apparently loaded on all ends--;
they have a TRIPLE sheet bend (which rather than adding security gets
more imbalanced)?!)
> now it has a name: KAKINE MUSUBI !
>
> it seems to earn many stars
> can anyone figure out what its merits are?
I was musing over whether we might collectively deduce the rankings.
But note that the Square/Reef knot gets 4-5-4-4, which is better than
I think most of the other bends (i.p., better by much than the Blood
knot--so security & strength don't fit that match-up!)!? Still, it's
an interesting puzzle, accepting that there might be dubious ratings.
> is it a binder, a tie?
> is this the alternative way to finish an anchorbend?
That's what it appeared like to me--throwing an overhand into either the
end or the SPart around the other. But now it appears to be a binder.
(-;
Gordon Smith
These Japanese square lashings aren't the knot you've asked about, but
as long as we're on the subject of Japanese knots...
http://www.northnet.org/ropeworks/reader/JsqarLSH.pdf
Besides, they look really nice.
--
Gordon Smith (There's just one dot in my address.)
Dan Lehman
> These Japanese square lashings aren't the knot you've asked about, but
> as long as we're on the subject of Japanese knots...
>
> http://www.northnet.org/ropeworks/reader/JsqarLSH.pdf
>
> Besides, they look really nice.
Thanks. Note that the supposed image of the clove hitch start for Mark
III (?) is wrong (upper right)--that's an (extended) overhand, not a clove.
--dl*
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