[OT] Earthian- how long is it?
TCurryFan
So, I rented the _Earthian_ tapes "Beginning of the End", "Fallen Angel", and
"Angelic Destroyer"... My friend has "BotE", but he's convinced it's not the
start of the series, as it seems to start in the middle of the plot and has
flashbacks to stuff that has happened previously (so he says; I haven't seen it
yet).
So, what IS the beginning of the _Earthian_ series, and how long is it?
Thanks!
Catherine Johnson.
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The Shadow Dragon
>From: tcur...@aol.com.net (TCurryFan)
>Subject: [OT] Earthian- how long is it?
>Date: 10 Dec 1998 07:39:43 GMT
>Ohayo, minna!
>So, I rented the _Earthian_ tapes "Beginning of the End", "Fallen Angel", and
>"Angelic Destroyer"... My friend has "BotE", but he's convinced it's not the
>start of the series, as it seems to start in the middle of the plot and has
>flashbacks to stuff that has happened previously (so he says; I haven't seen it
>yet).
>So, what IS the beginning of the _Earthian_ series, and how long is it?
>Thanks!
As I understand it, there are only 4 OAVs (the last of which isn't out yet).
The problem seems to be that a lot of stuff is only explained in the manga
(hence that huge plot gap between parts 2 and 3). (That's AFAIK, BTW. Anyone
who knows more about the series should feel free to correct me.)
The Shadow Dragon
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Theresa Ann Wymer
: Ohayo, minna!
: So, I rented the _Earthian_ tapes "Beginning of the End", "Fallen Angel", and
: "Angelic Destroyer"... My friend has "BotE", but he's convinced it's not the
: start of the series, as it seems to start in the middle of the plot and has
: flashbacks to stuff that has happened previously (so he says; I haven't seen it
: yet).
: So, what IS the beginning of the _Earthian_ series, and how long is it?
: Thanks!
It's one of those *aggravating* series that presupposes the viewer has the
manga memorized. It's especially frustrating in this case, because they
seem to have animated the most boring stories and left out all the
fireworks at the end. IIRC (and I haven't read the manga, just synopses),
the first two OAVs are expanded chapters, where Chihaya does his thing of
latching on to a stray Earthian and Kagetsuya gets annoyed. The third
story, which was broken up into OAVs three and four for North American
release, takes place *after* the manga, which must confuse the hell out of
viewers who don't know the story.
What really drives you loony is that they have all sorts of references to
stuff that isn't shown on screen but took place in the manga. Major,
major plot points. And they do this ALL THE TIME, mostly in the second
and third shows.
After all this, I still enjoy the show tremendously, as the artstyle and
direction are lovely, but do see if you can look up some links on AnimeWeb
Turnpike, because you'll be going "huh?" all the time if you don't.
--
Theresa Ann Wymer twy...@efn.org
TCurryFan
>TCurryFan (tcur...@aol.com.net) wrote:
>: Ohayo, minna!
>
>: So, I rented the _Earthian_ tapes "Beginning of the End",
>: "Fallen Angel", and "Angelic Destroyer"... My friend has
>: "BotE", but he's convinced it's not the start of the series, as it
>: seems to start in the middle of the plot and has flashbacks to
>: stuff that has happened previously (so he says; I haven't
>: seen it yet).
>: So, what IS the beginning of the _Earthian_ series, and how
>: long is it? Thanks!
>
>It's one of those *aggravating* series that presupposes the
>viewer has the manga memorized.
Lovely... I've now seen the three OAV's, and... Yeah, it is quite
confiusing... Eep.
>It's especially frustrating in this case, because they seem to
>have animated the most boring stories and left out all the
>fireworks at the end.
I agree. I found the first two stories rather predictable and not very
interesting
>IIRC (and I haven't read the manga, just synopses), the first
>two OAVs are expanded chapters, where Chihaya does his
>thing of latching on to a stray Earthian and Kagetsuya gets
>annoyed.
Yep, pretty much.
And Kagetsuya keeps having to save Chihaya's butt... ^_^
>The third story, which was broken up into OAVs three and
>four for North American release, takes place *after* the
>manga, which must confuse the hell out of viewers who don't
>know the story.
AAARRRRRRGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!
>What really drives you loony is that they have all sorts of
>references to stuff that isn't shown on screen but took place
>in the manga. Major, major plot points. And they do this ALL
>THE TIME, mostly in the second and third shows.
Indeed...
Guess who's gonna try to get herself some Earthian manga?
^_^
>After all this, I still enjoy the show tremendously, as the
>artstyle and direction are lovely,
Indeed. And I rented the dubbed version (They had the subbed version of one of
them, but I didn't want to switch back and forth), and I like the voices.
And...
S
P
O
I
L
E
R
S
?
I was pleasantly surprised to find that Chihaya and Kagetsuya become lovers..
That brief scene with them in "Angelic Destoyer" was like... WHOAH! I didn't
see it coming, but amn...
<fans herself off>
>but do see if you can look up some links on AnimeWeb
>Turnpike, because you'll be going "huh?" all the time if you
>don't.
Ok, thanks. ^_^
>Theresa Ann Wymer twy...@efn.org
Catherine Johnson, who doesn't regret getting them, at any rate.
Zoisite No Miko
>
> Ohayo, minna!
>
> So, I rented the _Earthian_ tapes "Beginning of the End", "Fallen Angel", and
> "Angelic Destroyer"... My friend has "BotE", but he's convinced it's not the
> start of the series, as it seems to start in the middle of the plot and has
> flashbacks to stuff that has happened previously (so he says; I haven't seen it
> yet).
> So, what IS the beginning of the _Earthian_ series, and how long is it?
> Thanks!
Earthian is three episodes long, but it's being released as four (the
last ep is twice as long so they're dividing it into two parts...). I
don't know what volume is what, as I havn't gotten the commercial sub
yet (I will! I will!)
~ZNM (whose Earthian fansubs aren't in the best shape...)
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TCurryFan
>Earthian is three episodes long, but it's being released as
>four (the last ep is twice as long so they're dividing it into two
>parts...). I don't know what volume is what, as I havn't gotten
>the commercial sub yet (I will! I will!)
Ok. I've now seen three of the four parts... I really wanna see the last one,
and get the manga
>~ZNM (whose Earthian fansubs aren't in the best shape...)
Awww... )-:
Catherine Johnson.
Theresa Ann Wymer
: "twy...@garcia.efn.org (Theresa Ann Wymer)" said:
: >TCurryFan (tcur...@aol.com.net) wrote:
: >: So, what IS the beginning of the _Earthian_ series, and how
: >: long is it? Thanks!
: >
: >It's one of those *aggravating* series that presupposes the
: >viewer has the manga memorized.
: >It's especially frustrating in this case, because they seem to
: >have animated the most boring stories and left out all the
: >fireworks at the end.
: I agree. I found the first two stories rather predictable and not very
: interesting
And it just makes me want to tear my hair out, because it seems according
to the manga there are *reasons* for these particular characters to be
introduced, but the anime has no followthrough, so they just seem
irrevelent. Both Taki and the Seraphim (not Cliff, the other guy)
mentioned in the first and second OAVs turn out to be pivotal characters
in the action.
: >IIRC (and I haven't read the manga, just synopses), the first
: >two OAVs are expanded chapters, where Chihaya does his
: >thing of latching on to a stray Earthian and Kagetsuya gets
: >annoyed.
: Yep, pretty much.
: And Kagetsuya keeps having to save Chihaya's butt... ^_^
Oh yeah, there is that. Kagetsuya really should coach Chihaya in some of
that hand to hand he's so good at. (No hentai meaning intended).
: >After all this, I still enjoy the show tremendously, as the
: >artstyle and direction are lovely,
: Indeed. And I rented the dubbed version (They had the subbed version of one of
: them, but I didn't want to switch back and forth), and I like the voices.
I like the dub quite a lot, especially the third episode. Chihaya seems a
bit overplayed at times, and Kagetsuya can come off as harsher than the
original does, but they're all quite good overall. I especially like the
Aya (I haven't heard her original voice).
SPOILERS!
SPOILERS!:
By the way, the angel at the opening of 3 with long, straight, white hair
is Raphael, and the blond with frilly curls is Michael (please try not to
choke too hard). Yes, they are both archangels. Raphael took over from
Michael and decided the Earthians were a negative race so it was time for
them to go blooey. As for why Michael was in the clink (?), if you find
out, please tell me. I believe *Kagetsuya* was in jail for a while, but
that obviously wasn't him in that shot.
(Oh, if they'd only animated the scene Chihaya tears a feather from his
wing to give to his beloved Kagetsuya when they parted...! *sniff*)
And did you know Chihaya is Michael's adopted son?! You'd NEVER guess
that one from the anime--also Kagetsuya's Raphael's protege, and Chihaya
graduated first in his class from Angel Academy, or whatever it was.
*boggle*
: And...
: S
: P
: O
: I
: L
: E
: R
: S
: ?
: I was pleasantly surprised to find that Chihaya and Kagetsuya become lovers..
: That brief scene with them in "Angelic Destoyer" was like... WHOAH! I didn't
: see it coming, but amn...
: <fans herself off>
Yeah! But it was so short and then they got mad at each other. : ( I
really, really, REALLY wish they'd animated the story where Kagetsuya and
Chihaya confess their feelings and make love for the first time, because
it sounds like a dynamite storyline. And I'm not just saying this for
drooling fangirl reasons. Their forbidden love affair intertwines with
all the Eden-Earth warfare stuff that's alluded to at the beginning of the
third video.
And from what I've heard second-hand about the manga storyline, Kagetsuya
and Chihaya are VERY much in love--a real starcrossed-lovers, Romeo and
Juliet scenario without the dying. But lots of angst! But they live
happily ever after. *niko*
It's interesting in the anime to watch their progression as a couple,
bickering constantly, but getting closer and more protective of each other
as the show continues. I particularly love the ending of 2...so romantic.
*sniff*
: >but do see if you can look up some links on AnimeWeb
: >Turnpike, because you'll be going "huh?" all the time if you
: >don't.
: Ok, thanks. ^_^
Bishonen no Miko's site is especially good--it takes a long time to load
up with Netscape, but the info and pics are terrific. Also Jen's Chihaya
website has loads of info on the end of the manga. I think Monica has an
Earthian page as well, as does Thera.
Haruka
>
>SPOILERS!
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>SPOILERS!:
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>By the way, the angel at the opening of 3 with long, straight, white hair
>is Raphael, and the blond with frilly curls is Michael (please try not to
>choke too hard). Yes, they are both archangels. Raphael took over from
>Michael and decided the Earthians were a negative race so it was time for
>them to go blooey. As for why Michael was in the clink (?), if you find
>out, please tell me.
Michael was in the clink for helping Chihaya and Kagetsuya escape when they
were put on trial for having a homosexual affair. This part hasn't appeared
in the manga as of yet, nor in the anime.
>Bishonen no Miko's site is especially good--it takes a long time to load
>up with Netscape, but the info and pics are terrific. Also Jen's Chihaya
>website has loads of info on the end of the manga. I think Monica has an
>Earthian page as well, as does Thera.
So does my Michiru: http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Ginza/1790/earth.html
Haruka
TCurryFan
>TCurryFan (tcur...@aol.com.net) wrote:
>: "twy...@garcia.efn.org (Theresa Ann Wymer)" said:
>: >TCurryFan (tcur...@aol.com.net) wrote:
>: >
>: >: So, what IS the beginning of the _Earthian_ series, and
>: >: how long is it? Thanks!
>: >
>: >It's one of those *aggravating* series that presupposes
>:>the viewer has the manga memorized. It's especially
>: >frustrating in this case, because they seem to have
>: >animated the most boring stories and left out all the
>: >fireworks at the end.
>
>: I agree. I found the first two stories rather predictable and
>: not very interesting
>
>And it just makes me want to tear my hair out, because it
>seems according to the manga there are *reasons* for these
>particular characters to be introduced, but the anime has no followthrough, so
they just seem
>irrevelent.
Has the manga been translated into English? And how long is it (how many
volumes)?
>Both Taki and the Seraphim (not Cliff, the other guy)
>mentioned in the first and second OAVs turn out to be
>pivotal characters in the action.
Ok...
<sigh>
>: >IIRC (and I haven't read the manga, just synopses), the
>: >first two OAVs are expanded chapters, where Chihaya
>: >does his thing of latching on to a stray Earthian and
>: >Kagetsuya gets annoyed.
>:
>: Yep, pretty much.
>: And Kagetsuya keeps having to save Chihaya's butt... ^_^
>
>Oh yeah, there is that. Kagetsuya really should coach
>Chihaya in some of that hand to hand he's so good at.
No kidding! <sigh>
>(No hentai meaning intended).
No, it looks like he IS coaching him in that. ^_~
>: >After all this, I still enjoy the show tremendously, as the
>: >artstyle and direction are lovely,
>
>: Indeed. And I rented the dubbed version (They had the
>: subbed version of one of them, but I didn't want to switch
>: back and forth), and I like the voices.
>
>I like the dub quite a lot, especially the third episode.
COol.
>Chihaya seems a bit overplayed at times, and Kagetsuya can
>come off as harsher than the original does, but they're all
>quite good overall. I especially like the Aya (I haven't
>heard her original voice).
Yeah, she's pretty cool. ^_^
>SPOILERS!
>
>
>SPOILERS!:
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>
>By the way, the angel at the opening of 3 with long, straight,
>white hair is Raphael, and the blond with frilly curls is
>Michael (please try not to choke too hard).
What? Why?
>Yes, they are both archangels. Raphael took over from
>Michael and decided the Earthians were a negative race so
>it was time for them to go blooey.
D'OH!
>As for why Michael was in the clink (?), if you find out,
>please tell me. I believe *Kagetsuya* was in jail for a while,
>but that obviously wasn't him in that shot.
Nope... ^_^
>(Oh, if they'd only animated the scene Chihaya tears a
>feather from his wing to give to his beloved Kagetsuya when
>they parted...! *sniff*)
Awwwww...
>And did you know Chihaya is Michael's adopted son?!
Really? Cool.
>You'd NEVER guess that one from the anime--also
>Kagetsuya's Raphael's protege, and Chihaya graduated first
>in his class from Angel Academy, or whatever it was.
>*boggle*
Wow...
Ok.
>: And...
>
>: S
>: P
>: O
>: I
>: L
>: E
>: R
>: S
>: ?
>
>: I was pleasantly surprised to find that Chihaya and
>: Kagetsuya become lovers..
>: That brief scene with them in "Angelic Destoyer" was like...
>: WHOAH! I didn't see it coming, but amn...
>: <fans herself off>
>
>Yeah! But it was so short and then they got mad at each >other. : (
I know! )-:
>I really, really, REALLY wish they'd animated the story
>where Kagetsuya and Chihaya confess their feelings and
>make love for the first time, because it sounds like a
>dynamite storyline.
Yeah! As it is, they're relationship goes from guarded, to friendly, to
lovers, with no explantion of h0ow they went form one stage to the next.
>And I'm not just saying this for drooling fangirl reasons.
But that is a nice bonus. ^_^
>Their forbidden love affair intertwines with all the
>Eden-Earth warfare stuff that's alluded to at the beginning of
>the third video.
Really? Damn, I forgot to check that again. I'll have to rent them again
sometime.
>And from what I've heard second-hand about the manga
>storyline, Kagetsuya and Chihaya are VERY much in love--a
>real starcrossed-lovers, Romeo and Juliet scenario without
>the dying. But lots of angst! But they live happily ever after.
>*niko*
Everyone say it with me:
Awwwwwwwww....
>It's interesting in the anime to watch their progression as a
>couple, bickering constantly, but getting closer and more
>protective of each other as the show continues.
Yeah, but as I said, it really jumps rom ome stage to the next.
>I particularly love the ending of 2...so romantic. *sniff*
Yeah... Awwwww...
>: >but do see if you can look up some links on AnimeWeb
>: >Turnpike, because you'll be going "huh?" all the time if
>: >you don't.
>:
>: Ok, thanks. ^_^
>
>Bishonen no Miko's site is especially good--it takes a long
>time to load up with Netscape, but the info and pics are
>terrific.
OK.
>Also Jen's Chihaya website has loads of info on the end of
>the manga. I think Monica has an Earthian page as well,
Yeah, I've seen it. ^_^
>as does Thera.
Hmmm.. I'm not sure I've seen that one...
Catherine Johnson. ^_^
TCurryFan
>>SPOILERS!
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>>SPOILERS!:
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>> By the way, the angel at the opening of 3 with long,
>> straight, white hair is Raphael, and the blond with frilly curls
>> is Michael (please try not to choke too hard). Yes, they are
>> both archangels. Raphael took over from Michael and
>> decided the Earthians were a negative race so it was time
>> for them to go blooey. As for why Michael was in the clink
>> (?), if you find out, please tell me.
>
>Michael was in the clink for helping Chihaya and Kagetsuya
>escape when they were put on trial for having a homosexual
>affair.
So, they're affair is forbidden becasue they're both guys? I thought it might
be for another reason; I wasn;t sure...
>This part hasn't appeared in the manga as of yet, nor in the
>anime.
Not in the manga yet? You mean in the traslation?
>> I think Monica has an Earthian page as well, as does Thera.
>
>So does my Michiru:
> http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Ginza/1790/earth.html
Woo-hoo!
Thanks!
>Haruka
Catherine Johnson.
Theresa Ann Wymer
[websites with Earthian info]
: So does my Michiru: http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Ginza/1790/earth.html
*sound of heavy book whacking into Theresa's forehead* D'oh!
A thousand apologies! That's about the most informative and complete
Earthian site I've come across, and I completely spaced it. Do check it
out, it's got wonderful manga translations! We're not likely to see them
anywhere else any time soon.
Thanks for putting all that work into your site--it really shows.
Theresa Ann Wymer
: >TCurryFan (tcur...@aol.com.net) wrote:
: >: "twy...@garcia.efn.org (Theresa Ann Wymer)" said:
: >: >TCurryFan (tcur...@aol.com.net) wrote:
: Has the manga been translated into English? And how long is it (how many
: volumes)?
The website Haruka mentioned has fan translations of the manga. (Insert
groveling apology for forgetting to recommend this site earlier. It's
very good). It hasn't been officially released here, and AFAIK there are
no plans for it to be. If anyone knows differently, I'd be very eager to
hear it! I believe the original magazine was SOUTH, and the creator is
Kouga Yun (family name first). I'm not sure how you'd get a copy.
Special order from Kinokuniya or something,I guess.
[dub comments]
: >Chihaya seems a bit overplayed at times, and Kagetsuya can
: >come off as harsher than the original does, but they're all
: >quite good overall. I especially like the Aya (I haven't
: >heard her original voice).
: Yeah, she's pretty cool. ^_^
"*Right!* Turn RIGHT!" Great peel the paint off the walls voice. I feel
sorry for poor Miyagi, though. Not only is he an angel, he's a saint to
put up with her! If she had been paired with Kagetsuya, he'd probably
have dumped her out the window within the first five seconds. I can't see
either K or Aya putting up with each other's...direct...communication
style.
: >SPOILERS!
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: >SPOILERS!:
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: >By the way, the angel at the opening of 3 with long, straight,
: >white hair is Raphael, and the blond with frilly curls is
: >Michael (please try not to choke too hard).
: What? Why?
Okay, so maybe it's just me. But I always picture the Archangel Michael
as a stern, swashbuckling type, so seeing him with bows in his hair took
me by surprise. I kind of thought he should look like Raphael, but hey,
that's just me. I doubt the audience is supposed to put much thought into
this sort of thing.
Okay, so the Eden Michael isn't *really* the same Michael as in Western
monotheistic tradition, but I assume there are supposed to be broad
parallels.
Theresa Ann Wymer
: "Haruka <nur...@sprint.ca>" said:
: >>SPOILERS!
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: >Michael was in the clink for helping Chihaya and Kagetsuya
: >escape when they were put on trial for having a homosexual
: >affair.
Thanks! That puts a spin on things I wasn't expecting. *ponders* Wow.
: So, they're affair is forbidden becasue they're both guys? I thought it might
: be for another reason; I wasn;t sure...
Apparently homosexuality is the Great Sin of Eden (does this apply to
women as well, I wonder?). This does not seem to stop the angels from
having rather torrid romantic friendships, but consummating the
relationship is Right Out. As is sleeping with humans. A bunch of
Lucifers eloped with some Earthians, and produced angel-human hybrids, the
so-called "black angels". Seraphim's daughter(!) is one of these. I
wonder if she's the woman we see with Taki in that one still in "Angelic
Destroyer". I have no idea who she's supposed to be. I assume the kids
that C and K rescue at the beginning are mixed species. I'm also guessing
that Elvira is a human involved with the angels, but I have no idea.
Anyway, Chihaya and Kagetsuya having a sexual relationship is the Scandal
of the Millennium in Eden. They end up defecting to Earth when the dust
settles, and then I guess the whole Messiah affair starts.
Speaking of which, my fiance, who's also seen the show, has a rather
darker view of the K/C romance than I do. He feels that Chihaya is
basically looking for Mr. Goodbar, in that he's relentlessly searching for
answers to his identity and latches rather haphazardly onto anyone he
thinks might be able to help him. James feels this a) is not doing his
existing relationship a whole lot of good and b) that Chihaya is probably
going to wind up dead the way things are going; not necessarily with
Messiah in particular, but C's attitude in general. He also finds K/C
relationship more coercive than loving, and doesn't like the power
imbalance between them that he feels exists.
Me, I'm an incurable romantic, and think they'll work things out. Also, a
lot of the dominant/submissive stuff is just endemic to the genre Kouga's
writing in.
: >> I think Monica has an Earthian page as well, as does Thera.
: >
: >So does my Michiru:
: > http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Ginza/1790/earth.html
And a very good one it is too. Thanks!
Haruka
TCurryFan wrote in message <19981212000340...@ng38.aol.com>...
>
>>This part hasn't appeared in the manga as of yet, nor in the
>>anime.
>
>Not in the manga yet? You mean in the traslation?
>
>>The only place this part has been shown is in the Wings Comics. That's
where manga 1-5 originated, but it's looking grim for a #6 with the trial
scenes to ever show up *sigh*
Haruka
V. K. McLellan
Theresa Ann Wymer wrote in message <74td0h$iq2$1...@haus.efn.org>...
>TCurryFan (tcur...@aol.com.net) wrote:
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>: >Michael was in the clink for helping Chihaya and Kagetsuya
>: >escape when they were put on trial for having a homosexual
>: >affair.
>
>Thanks! That puts a spin on things I wasn't expecting. *ponders* Wow.
>
>: So, they're affair is forbidden becasue they're both guys? I thought it
might
>: be for another reason; I wasn;t sure...
>
>Apparently homosexuality is the Great Sin of Eden (does this apply to
>women as well, I wonder?). This does not seem to stop the angels from
>having rather torrid romantic friendships, but consummating the
>relationship is Right Out. As is sleeping with humans. A bunch of
>Lucifers eloped with some Earthians, and produced angel-human hybrids, the
>so-called "black angels". Seraphim's daughter(!) is one of these. I
>wonder if she's the woman we see with Taki in that one still in "Angelic
>Destroyer". I have no idea who she's supposed to be.
Michael and Raphael have had their own little romance for awhile, however
Raphael has decided to marry.
Michael will never marry as he's in love with a woman wh's been dead for
several years, his own sister Lucifer. Also, they had had a child together
many years ago, and guess who the child is.... Kagetsuya! (his father,
Prince Sakura, adopted him)
Seraphim's daughter is Elvira. The woman that died with Taki was not her,
but was his girlfriend (can't remember the name) they died to save earth
from destruction when Raphael gave the order to destroy it (right after he
became the head archangel)
I assume the kids
>that C and K rescue at the beginning are mixed species. I'm also guessing
>that Elvira is a human involved with the angels, but I have no idea.
The children they saved were Elvira's son and daughter. Her father was
Seraphim.
Also, it was found out later, that Seraphim was Chihaya's natural father....
>Anyway, Chihaya and Kagetsuya having a sexual relationship is the Scandal
>of the Millennium in Eden. They end up defecting to Earth when the dust
>settles, and then I guess the whole Messiah affair starts.
Michael helps Chihaya escape. Chihaya tears off one of his wings for
Michael to give to Kagetsuya. I guess he gets it back in time for messiah
to rip it off again, but at least this can relieve you to know it goes back
on....
There's a big battle between The angels of Earth and the angels of Eden.
Taki dies in this, and, I'm not sure, but I think Eden and earth are cut off
from each other. I know the Earthside angels help destroy the
space/teleportation station, (named after one of the archangels)
Michiru
TCurryFan
>TCurryFan (tcur...@aol.com.net) wrote:
>: "twy...@garcia.efn.org (Theresa Ann Wymer)" said:
>
>: Has the manga been translated into English? And how long
>: is it (how many volumes)?
>
>The website Haruka mentioned has fan translations of the
>manga. (Insert groveling apology for forgetting to
>recommend this site earlier. It's very good). It hasn't been
>officially released here, and AFAIK there are no plans for it to be.
<sigh>
No, instead they just released the anime, which doesn't make sense unless
you're familiar with the manga.
/-:
>If anyone knows differently, I'd be very eager to hear it! I
>believe the original magazine was SOUTH, and the creator
>is Kouga Yun (family name first). I'm not sure how you'd get
>a copy. Special order from Kinokuniya or something,I guess.
Lovely.
>[dub comments]
>
>: >Chihaya seems a bit overplayed at times, and Kagetsuya
>: >can come off as harsher than the original does, but they're >: >allquite
good overall. I especially like the Aya (I haven't]
>: >heard her original voice).
>
>: Yeah, she's pretty cool. ^_^
>
>"*Right!* Turn RIGHT!" Great peel the paint off the walls
>voice.
Hehhehe...
>I feel sorry for poor Miyagi, though. Not only is he an angel,
>he's a saint to put up with her!
Of course, he's probably been asking to be transferred to another team.. ^_^
>If she had been paired with Kagetsuya, he'd probably have
>dumped her out the window within the first five seconds.
Oh, that's ok- he's just looking for the Puma Man.
<sorry, MST ref...>
>I can't see either K or Aya putting up with each other's...
>direct...communication style.
No... O_O
>: >SPOILERS!
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>: >SPOILERS!:
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>: >
>: >
>: >By the way, the angel at the opening of 3 with long,
>: >straight, white hair is Raphael, and the blond with frilly
>: >curls is Michael (please try not to choke too hard).
>
>: What? Why?
>
>Okay, so maybe it's just me. But I always picture the
>Archangel Michael as a stern, swashbuckling type, so seeing
>him with bows in his hair took me by surprise.
Ooohh.. Ok.
I really don't spend much time thinking about what the Archangel Mishael might
look like, ^_^
>I kind of thought he should look like Raphael, but hey, that's
>just me. I doubt the audience is supposed to put much
>thought into this sort of thing.
Probably.
>Okay, so the Eden Michael isn't *really* the same Michael as
>in Western monotheistic tradition, but I assume there are
>supposed to be broad parallels.
I thought so.... Oh, well. ^_^
>--
>Theresa Ann Wymer twy...@efn.org
Catherine Johnson.
TCurryFan
>TCurryFan (tcur...@aol.com.net) wrote:
>: "Haruka <nur...@sprint.ca>" said:
>
>: >>SPOILERS!
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>: >Michael was in the clink for helping Chihaya and
>: >Kagetsuya escape when they were put on trial for having
>: >a homosexual affair.
>
>Thanks! That puts a spin on things I wasn't expecting.
>*ponders* Wow.
What? Am I missing something?
>: So, they're affair is forbidden becasue they're both guys? I
>: thought it might be for another reason; I wasn't sure...
>
>Apparently homosexuality is the Great Sin of Eden
<sarcastic>
So, it's kinda like Earth that way, huh?
>(does this apply to women as well, I wonder?).
No, cuz women don't have sexual relationships with each other. Just ask Queen
Victoria.
</sarcastic>
>This does not seem to stop the angels from having rather
>torrid romantic friendships, but consummating the
>relationship is Right Out.
So, it's kinda like the idea behind a true Platonic relationship?
>As is sleeping with humans.
Whoops!
>A bunch of Lucifers eloped with some Earthians, and
>produced angel-human hybrids, the so-called "black angels".
Is that what's up with Chihaya? The reason he has black wings, etc? Or do we
ever find out?
>Seraphim's daughter(!) is one of these. I wonder if she's the
>woman we see with Taki in that one still in "Angelic
>Destroyer". I have no idea who she's supposed to be. I
>assume the kids that C and K rescue at the beginning are
>mixed species.
That makes sense. Their mother appears to be an Earthian.
>I'm also guessing that Elvira is a human involved with the
>angels, but I have no idea.
Elvira?
>Anyway, Chihaya and Kagetsuya having a sexual
>relationship is the Scandal of the Millennium in Eden.
<sigh>
>They end up defecting to Earth when the dust settles,
Yay!
>and then I guess the whole Messiah affair starts.
>
>Speaking of which, my fiance, who's also seen the show, has
>a rather darker view of the K/C romance than I do. He feels
>that Chihaya is basically looking for Mr. Goodbar, in that he's
>relentlessly searching for answers to his identity and latches
>rather haphazardly onto anyone he thinks might be able to
>help him.
I can seee that- but does that mean his relationship woth Kagetsuya is invalid?
>James feels this a) is not doing his existing relationship a
>whole lot of good and
Well, no.
>b) that Chihaya is probably going to wind up dead the way
>things are going; not necessarily with Messiah in particular, >but C's
attitude in general.
Hmmmm...
>He also finds K/C relationship more coercive than loving,
Why?
>and doesn't like the power imbalance between them that he
>feels exists.
I don't think a relationship between two people of differing power is
necessarily ABOUT power, or wrong,. or doomed to failure.
>Me, I'm an incurable romantic, and think they'll work things
>out.
Me, too! ^_^
>Also, a lot of the dominant/submissive stuff is just endemic to
>the genre Kouga's writing in.
Indeed.
TCurryFan
TCurryFan
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>Michael and Raphael have had their own little romance for
>awhile, howeverRaphael has decided to marry.
Whoops.
>Michael will never marry as he's in love with a woman wh's
>been dead for several years, his own sister Lucifer.
He's ion love wit his own sister?
O....K...
>Also, they had had a child together many years ago, and
>guess who the child is.... Kagetsuya!
Du-du-DUN!
<sorry, that seemed to call for a dramatic note>
>> I assume the kids that C and K rescue at the beginning are
>> mixed species. I'm also guessing that Elvira is a human
>> involved with the angels, but I have no idea.
>
>The children they saved were Elvira's son and daughter.
So, that lady was Elvira, then?
>Her father was Seraphim.
>Also, it was found out later, that Seraphim was Chihaya's
>natural father....
...Making Elvira his ssiter.
Oh! And that's why he has black wings!! HE's a half breed, or quater breed,
so somesuch!
Cool!
>> Anyway, Chihaya and Kagetsuya having a sexual
>> relationship is the Scandal of the Millennium in Eden.
>> They end up defecting to Earth when the dust settles, and
>> then I guess the whole Messiah affair starts.
>
>Michael helps Chihaya escape. Chihaya tears off one of his
>wings for Michael to give to Kagetsuya.
Wait... His whole WING? I read that as feather the first time someone
mentioned it.
OUCH.
>I guess he gets it back in time for messiah to rip it off again,
Whoops.
>but at least this can relieve you to know it goes back on....
Everyone: Awwwww...
>There's a big battle between The angels of Earth and the
>angels of Eden. Taki dies in this, and, I'm not sure, but I think
>Eden and earth are cut off from each other. I know the
>Earthside angels help destroy the space/teleportation station,
>(named after one of the archangels)
Cool.
>Michiru
Catherine Johnson, who really doesn't care about much else, as long as Chihaya
and Kagetsuya end up together. ^_^
Theresa Ann Wymer
: "twy...@garcia.efn.org (Theresa Ann Wymer)" said:
: >TCurryFan (tcur...@aol.com.net) wrote:
: >: "Haruka <nur...@sprint.ca>" said:
: >
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: >: >Michael was in the clink for helping Chihaya and
: >: >Kagetsuya escape when they were put on trial for having
: >: >a homosexual affair.
: >
: >Thanks! That puts a spin on things I wasn't expecting.
: >*ponders* Wow.
: What? Am I missing something?
No, I don't think so. I just hadn't expected Michael to take such a
direct hand in his son(s)' getaway.
So, if Kagetsuya's Michael's (unacknowledged?) biological son, and
Chihaya's his adopted (legal?) son, are the two stepbrothers? My brain
kind of fried.
: >Apparently homosexuality is the Great Sin of Eden
: <sarcastic>
: So, it's kinda like Earth that way, huh?
Why my dear, whatever makes you think that? *bats lashes innocently*
: >(does this apply to women as well, I wonder?).
: No, cuz women don't have sexual relationships with each other. Just ask Queen
: Victoria.
: </sarcastic>
Who was that lady at the turn of the century who, at a dinner party, is
supposed to have denied the possibility of lesbianism because there was
"nothing to hold onto"? *snicker* Some people have *no* imagination.
: >This does not seem to stop the angels from having rather
: >torrid romantic friendships, but consummating the
: >relationship is Right Out.
: So, it's kinda like the idea behind a true Platonic relationship?
Where it's all spiritual, and you just sort of suppress the bodily urges?
I think so, though I don't know enough to say yes for sure.
: >A bunch of Lucifers eloped with some Earthians, and
: >produced angel-human hybrids, the so-called "black angels".
: Is that what's up with Chihaya? The reason he has black wings, etc? Or do we
: ever find out?
I don't *think* we ever find out (Michiru-san, do you know?). Kagetsuya
refers to Chihaya as a "mutant", to his face, at their first appearance in
the manga. I believe it's a mystery all through the story as to why
Chihaya is black winged. I do know he's the only healthy angel to have
black wings, and I think the only one born that way.
NB: Having black wings is NOT the same as being a "black angel". The
first OAV confuses things by having Chihaya refer to himself as a black
angel, meaning he has black wings. This isn't just a dub blooper, BTW,
the original has him saying kuroi tenshi or kuro no tenshi, or whatever
the phrase is. Nevertheless, Chihaya is not a black angel by strict
definition, in that he is a full-blooded angel. I think! Is there a plot
twist I'm not aware of where he's part human?
: >I'm also guessing that Elvira is a human involved with the
: >angels, but I have no idea.
: Elvira?
You probably figured it out by now. Elvira pulls up in a pickup truck in
OAV three as the lab complex explodes, and our heroes conveniently yell
"Elvira!", just so we know her name. And I was wrong in the above
section: she's the daughter of Seraphim and a human woman, therefore a
"black angel". And Chihaya's half-sister.
: >Speaking of which, my fiance, who's also seen the show, has
: >a rather darker view of the K/C romance than I do. He feels
: >that Chihaya is basically looking for Mr. Goodbar, in that he's
: >relentlessly searching for answers to his identity and latches
: >rather haphazardly onto anyone he thinks might be able to
: >help him.
: I can seee that- but does that mean his relationship woth Kagetsuya is invalid?
No. Neither of us feels that way.
It's just that Chihaya seems obsessive about finding someone, *anyone*
with black wings, and takes some pretty stupid chances in doing so. He
shows his wings at the drop of a hat to total strangers! Especially iffy,
since Eden has a "three strikes you're out" policy about wing-revealing.
Chihaya's just too obsessed with the wing thing to be healthy. He'll blow
his cover, confide in people off the street, run into burning buildings;
*anything* to find out more about black wings or angels who might have
them. This is especially hazardous given his lack of fighting ability.
"One day he's going to walk into something he can't handle, and
Kagetsuya's not going to be around," quoth James.
: >He also finds K/C relationship more coercive than loving,
: Why?
I'm trying to pin him down on this. : ) It seems that Kagetsuya is, and
wants to be, the one in charge all the time, and wants to have things his
way. Kind of a control freak. He's awfully bossy with Chihaya, when
they're supposed to be equals. James feels Chihaya may need more of a
father or mentor figure than a lover, and Kagetsuya kind of-sort of doing
both is problematic. He also believes that Kagetsuya doesn't listen to
Chihaya or validate his feelings, and that Kagetsuya plays power games to
get his way.
I've pointed out that part of this *may* be due to the way the English
actors interpret the roles. Kagetsuya seems nastier and Chihaya more of a
pushover in that version than from what I can tell of the Japanese
version. But I could be biased. I should note that I also quite like the
English Kagetsuya, in one or two places better than Inoue Kazuhiko (and
I'm a big Inoue fan).
: I don't think a relationship between two people of differing power is
: necessarily ABOUT power, or wrong,. or doomed to failure.
No...but Kagetsuya can be awfully hardnosed. And they *are* supposed to
be equal partners, but Kagetsuya yells at Chihaya an awful lot.
Of course, as *I* point out, when push comes to shove, Kagetsuya is ALWAYS
there for Chihaya. And that's what really counts. : )
We need to see more of their relationship, dammit. The anime just doesn't
show enough. *pout*
--
Theresa Ann Wymer twy...@efn.org *Just* finished Angelic Destroyer.
Again.
Theresa Ann Wymer
: "V. K. McLellan <mcle...@ns.sympatico.ca>" said:
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[Which angel sleeps with what and has whose kid snipped]
*Man* this is a soap opera. The anime really does do all the least
interesting stuff. *pout*
So are Kagetsuya and Chihaya the recognized children of Michael and
Seraphim respectively, or is this all a Big Dark Secret that just causes
more angst all around when it's revealed?
I need to sit down and map out a family tree of all this. I wonder if
incest is as big a deal as homosexuality is on Eden, or if it's perfectly
common for angels to sleep with their own sisters, adoptive-father's
biological sons, or what have you.
: >Also, it was found out later, that Seraphim was Chihaya's
: >natural father....
: ...Making Elvira his ssiter.
: Oh! And that's why he has black wings!! HE's a half breed, or quater breed,
: so somesuch!
: Cool!
I don't believe it's as simple as that, though I could be wrong. AFAIK,
Chihaya's wings are the only naturally black wings in all Eden. I don't
think the hybrids are literally black-winged (do they have wings at all?
I don't know).
No one knows why his wings are black. I read that some angels were going
to take some sort of biological samples from Chihaya one morning, when
they walked in and found Kagetsuya had erm, taken some samples of his
own...anyway, they threw a fit and K and C landed in jail. There was a
big trial, and they asked Kagetsuya (under oath?) if he'd had a sexual
relationship with Chihaya. He said yes, because he didn't want to lie
about his love. Then they asked Chihaya if he'd slept with Kagetsuya, and
*he* said no, because he was trying to protect his lover. And Kagetsuya
started crying! Poor baby. I would LOVE to see some pics from this
section. I've only read synopses of it. Argh.
I refuse to make coy political references at this point. K and C are far
more admirable personally. Not to mention much cuter.
: >Michael helps Chihaya escape. Chihaya tears off one of his
: >wings for Michael to give to Kagetsuya.
: Wait... His whole WING? I read that as feather the first time someone
: mentioned it.
: OUCH.
I did write feather, and I was wrong. I'd read "a chunk of wing" or
something like that, and thought maybe I'd misinterpreted. I still wish
they'd animated it. And I agree. Ouch! A rather extravagant love
pledge, that.
: >Eden and earth are cut off from each other. I know the
: >Earthside angels help destroy the space/teleportation station,
: >(named after one of the archangels)
Was that Metatron?
: >Michiru
Thank you so much for the info! You don't know how much that helped.
: Catherine Johnson, who really doesn't care about much else, as long as Chihaya
: and Kagetsuya end up together. ^_^
YEAH! Exactly what she said! *nikoniko*
Theresa Ann Wymer
Getting frivolous here:
: >I feel sorry for poor Miyagi, though. Not only is he an angel,
: >he's a saint to put up with her!
: Of course, he's probably been asking to be transferred to another team.. ^_^
We thought he was kinda sweet on her. I can't see anyone putting up with
that kind of treatment without feeling a certain amount of affection for
that person; see Chihaya with Kagetsuya. Maybe they choose the negative
checkers for their PMS quotient.
: I really don't spend much time thinking about what the Archangel Mishael might
: look like, ^_^
Well it's not like I *obsess* about it or something. : P It's just me.
TCurryFan
>TCurryFan (tcur...@aol.com.net) wrote:
>: "twy...@garcia.efn.org (Theresa Ann Wymer)" said:
>
>Getting frivolous here:
What, you just noticed? ^_^
>: >I feel sorry for poor Miyagi, though. Not only is he an
>: >angel, he's a saint to put up with her!
>
>: Of course, he's probably been asking to be transferred to
>: another team..
>^_^
>
>We thought he was kinda sweet on her.
Hmmmm...
>I can't see anyone putting up with that kind of treatment
>without feeling a certain amount of affection for that person;
>see Chihaya with Kagetsuya.
Hmmm.. Good point.
>Maybe they choose the negative checkers for their PMS
>quotient.
Heheheh...
Well, they DO need people who see the bad side of things; and people like that
tend to be... Well. like Kagetsuya... ^_^
BTW, having just been introduced to Gundam Wing: Who thinks Heero + Dou and
Trowa + Quartre would make good negative/positive checker teams? ^_^
>: I really don't spend much time thinking about what the
>: Archangel Mishael might look like, ^_^
>
>Well it's not like I *obsess* about it or something. : P
Ooohhh, ok... ^_^
>It's just me.
Yes, it is just you. ^_^
Catherine Johnson.
TCurryFan
>TCurryFan (tcur...@aol.com.net) wrote:
>: "twy...@garcia.efn.org (Theresa Ann Wymer)" said:
>: >TCurryFan (tcur...@aol.com.net) wrote:
>: >: "Haruka <nur...@sprint.ca>" said:
>: >
>: >: >>SPOILERS!
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>: >: >>
>: >: >Michael was in the clink for helping Chihaya and
>: >: >Kagetsuya escape when they were put on trial for
>: >: >having a homosexual affair.
>: >
>: >Thanks! That puts a spin on things I wasn't expecting.
>: >*ponders* Wow.
>
>: What? Am I missing something?
>
>No, I don't think so. I just hadn't expected Michael to take
>such a direct hand in his son(s)' getaway.
Oh, ok.
>So, if Kagetsuya's Michael's (unacknowledged?) biological
>son, and Chihaya's his adopted (legal?) son, are the two
>stepbrothers? My brain kind of fried.
!!!!
THAT puts an interesting spin on their relationship...
>: >Apparently homosexuality is the Great Sin of Eden
>
>: <sarcastic>
>: So, it's kinda like Earth that way, huh?
>
>Why my dear, whatever makes you think that? *bats lashes
>innocently*
Oh, nothing...
<innocent whistling>
>: >This does not seem to stop the angels from having rather
>: >torrid romantic friendships, but consummating the
>: >relationship is Right Out.
>
>: So, it's kinda like the idea behind a true Platonic
>: relationship?
>
>Where it's all spiritual, and you just sort of suppress the
>bodily urges?
>I think so, though I don't know enough to say yes for sure.
Yeah, that's what I meant. ^_^
>: >A bunch of Lucifers eloped with some Earthians, and
>: >produced angel-human hybrids, the so-called "black
>: >angels".
>
>: Is that what's up with Chihaya? The reason he has black
>: wings, etc? Or do we ever find out?
>
>I don't *think* we ever find out.
Ok.
>Kagetsuya refers to Chihaya as a "mutant", to his face, at their
>first appearance in the manga.
D'oh!
>I believe it's a mystery all through the story as to why
>Chihaya is black winged. I do know he's the only healthy
>angel to have black wings, and I think the only one born that
>way.
Ok.
>NB: Having black wings is NOT the same as being a "black
>angel".
Ah, ok.
>The first OAV confuses things by having Chihaya refer to
>himself as a black angel, meaning he has black wings.
Ok, gotcha.
>: >I'm also guessing that Elvira is a human involved with the
>: >angels, but I have no idea.
>
>: Elvira?
>
>You probably figured it out by now. Elvira pulls up in a
>pickup truck in OAV three as the lab complex explodes, and
>our heroes conveniently yell "Elvira!", just so we know her
>name.
Oh. I missed that... Or forgot it, actually.
>And I was wrong in the above section: she's the daughter of
>Seraphim and a human woman, therefore a "black angel".
>And Chihaya's half-sister.
And Kagetsuya's half step-sister.
^_~
>: >Speaking of which, my fiance, who's also seen the show,
>: >has a rather darker view of the K/C romance than I do.
>: >He feels that Chihaya is basically looking for Mr. Goodbar,
>: >in that he's relentlessly searching for answers to his
>: >identity and latches rather haphazardly onto anyone he
>: >thinks might be able to help him.
>
>: I can seee that- but does that mean his relationship with
>: Kagetsuya is invalid?
>
>No. Neither of us feels that way.
OOohhh... Ok.
^_^
>It's just that Chihaya seems obsessive about finding someone,
>*anyone* with black wings, and takes some pretty stupid
>chances in doing so.
This is true...
>He shows his wings at the drop of a hat to total strangers!
>Especially iffy, since Eden has a "three strikes you're out"
>policy about wing-revealing.
D'OH!
>Chihaya's just too obsessed with the wing thing to be healthy.
>He'll blow his cover, confide in people off the street, run into
>burning buildings; *anything* to find out more about black
>wings or angels who might have them. This is especially
>hazardous given his lack of fighting ability.
No kidding. Eep.
>"One day he's going to walk into something he can't handle,
>and Kagetsuya's not going to be around," quoth James.
Good point... <shaking head>
>: >He also finds K/C relationship more coercive than loving,
>
>: Why?
>
>I'm trying to pin him down on this. : )
Must... refrian... from... ecchi.... comment...
>It seems that Kagetsuya is, and wants to be, the one in charge
>all the time, and wants to have things his way. Kind of a
>control freak.
True...
>He's awfully bossy with Chihaya, when they're supposed to
>be equals. James feels Chihaya may need more of a father
>or mentor figure than a lover, and Kagetsuya kind of-sort of
>doing both is problematic. He also believes that Kagetsuya
>doesn't listen to Chihaya or validate his feelings, and that
>Kagetsuya plays power games to get his way.
Ok.
>I've pointed out that part of this *may* be due to the way the
>English actors interpret the roles. Kagetsuya seems nastier
>and Chihaya more of a pushover in that version than from
>what I can tell of the Japanese version.
Lovely. I really wish I could have found it subbed... <sigh>
>But I could be biased. I should note that I also quite like the
>English Kagetsuya, in one or two places better than Inoue
>Kazuhiko (and I'm a big Inoue fan).
Yeah, I did like Kagetsuya's voice. ^_^
>: I don't think a relationship between two people of differing
>: power is necessarily ABOUT power, or wrong,. or doomed
>: to failure.
>
>No...but Kagetsuya can be awfully hardnosed. And they
> *are* supposed to be equal partners, but Kagetsuya yells at
>Chihaya an awful lot.
True... Poor thing...
>Of course, as *I* point out, when push comes to shove,
>Kagetsuya is ALWAYS there for Chihaya. And that's what
>really counts. : )
Yeah....
<starry-eyed smile>
>We need to see more of their relationship, dammit. The
>anime just doesn't show enough. *pout*
I know!!! d-:
TCurryFan
>TCurryFan (tcur...@aol.com.net) wrote:
>: "V. K. McLellan <mcle...@ns.sympatico.ca>" said:
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>[Which angel sleeps with what and has whose kid snipped]
>
>*Man* this is a soap opera.
_All_My_Earthians_? _Guiding Wings_?
>The anime really does do all the least interesting stuff.
>*pout*
Argh...
>So are Kagetsuya and Chihaya the recognized children of
>Michael and Seraphim respectively, or is this all a Big Dark
>Secret that just causes more angst all around when it's
>revealed?
Dunno... Sorry...
>I need to sit down and map out a family tree of all this.
Whee...
>I wonder if incest is as big a deal as homosexuality is on
>Eden, or if it's perfectly common for angels to sleep with their
>own sisters, adoptive-father's biological sons, or what have
>you.
Well, if it's not a big deal, then it's technically not incest. I'm serious.
Incest is defined as: "sex between persons so closely related that they are
forbidden by law to marry".
So, for example, in ancient Egypt, it was perfectly legal for bothers and
sisters to marry. So sex between a brother and a sister would not be incest.
>: >Also, it was found out later, that Seraphim was Chihaya's
>: >natural father....
>
>: ...Making Elvira his ssiter.
>: Oh! And that's why he has black wings!! HE's a half breed,
>: or quarter breed, or somesuch!
>: Cool!
>
>I don't believe it's as simple as that, though I could be wrong.
Ok.
>AFAIK, Chihaya's wings are the only naturally black wings in
>all Eden. I don't think the hybrids are literally black-winged
>(do they have wings at all? I don't know).
Whoops...
>No one knows why his wings are black. I read that some
>angels were going to take some sort of biological samples
>from Chihaya one morning, when they walked in and found
>agetsuya had erm, taken some samples of his own...
!!!! Oh, my...
>anyway, they threw a fit and K and C landed in jail. There
>was a big trial, and they asked Kagetsuya (under oath?) if
>he'd had a sexual relationship with Chihaya. He said yes,
>because he didn't want to lie about his love. Then they
>asked Chihaya if he'd slept with Kagetsuya, and *he* said
>no, because he was trying to protect his lover.
Awwww...
>And Kagetsuya started crying! Poor baby.
No kidding...
>I would LOVE to see some pics from this section. I've only
>read synopses of it. Argh.
<sigh>
>I refuse to make coy political references at this point. K and
>C are far more admirable personally. Not to mention much
>cuter.
Huh?
>: >Michael helps Chihaya escape. Chihaya tears off one of
>: >his wings for Michael to give to Kagetsuya.
>
>: Wait... His whole WING? I read that as feather the first
>: time someone mentioned it.
>: OUCH.
>
>I did write feather, and I was wrong.
Ok.
>I'd read "a chunk of wing" or something like that, and
>thought maybe I'd misinterpreted. I still wish they'd animated
>it.
Yeah... Weird that they left so many blank spaces.
Add to that the fact that the ANIME is being translated but the MANGA isn't,
and you've got one messed up story...
>And I agree. Ouch! A rather extravagant love pledge, that.
Kinda reminds me of Van Gogh. ^_^
>: Catherine Johnson, who really doesn't care about much
>: else, as long as Chihaya and Kagetsuya end up together.
>: ^_^
>
>YEAH! Exactly what she said!
^_^
>*nikoniko*
What's "nikoniko"?