it will all dry up.
dc
gone are the days of vigorous revolution
gone are the days of seeking minds into the wonders of life
gone are the days of trust
gone are the days of positive revolution
gone are the days of shakubuku
It faded when the corruption filled their hearts
Gone are the days of arm in arm
gone are the days of active revolution
gone are the days of profound meditation
gone are the days of broad minded faith
gone are the days of merciful revolution
gone are the days of the Impossible dream
It faded when they began to slander each other in their hearts
Now is the time for change
now is the last chance for reunification
now is the place to turn the wheel of the law once again.
Extinction is before you
the end of infinity an inevitablity
throwing out your passport to eternity
I urge you to pick it up again and look at each other again
communicate to each other Mr. Ikeda, Rev Nikken Shonin, face to face,
change your nightmares into the happy unity. Save the movement it is dying
it will all dry up.
David
C
>Gone are the days of unity
Daisaku Ikeda threw it all in the trash bin
>gone are the days of vigorous revolution
>gone are the days of seeking minds into the wonders of life
Maybe for you, but not for me
>gone are the days of trust
How can you trust a millionaire politician who does nothing
but talk crap and spew his miserable attacks on the priesthood
and members of NST
>gone are the days of positive revolution
>gone are the days of shakubuku
I've personally done about 6 in 3 years. Too bad those
days are gone for you. Perhaps you should look inside
instead of blaming us. Better yet, take it to your Gohonzon
>It faded when the corruption filled their hearts
>Gone are the days of arm in arm
Thank god we don't have to sing that stupid
"arm in arm together we climb" song to that fat
bastard anymore
>gone are the days of active revolution
>gone are the days of profound meditation
I just did an awesome Gongyo with my wife and
kids. What ever happened to the real Dave Cole?
>gone are the days of broad minded faith
>gone are the days of merciful revolution
>gone are the days of the Impossible dream
I never am ceased to be amazed at the impossible dreams
I have fulfilled just in the past year. Gohonzon is awesome
you should trust it instead of asking us to change your world
>It faded when they began to slander each other in their hearts
<sniff!> It gets me right here
>Now is the time for change
>now is the last chance for reunification
>now is the place to turn the wheel of the law once again.
You live in a dreamland. Ikeda SGI is history and will
never be allowed back as the lay organization for Buddhism
>Extinction is before you
>the end of infinity an inevitablity
>throwing out your passport to eternity
>I urge you to pick it up again and look at each other again
I'm sorry you have such a glum outlook on the future Dave.
But it's not my fault and it's not anybody's except Dave Cole's
fault. Whatever happened to the Dave Cole we used to know?
Ever since you've become a friend of Soka, you sound just like them
>communicate to each other Mr. Ikeda, Rev Nikken Shonin, face to face,
>change your nightmares into the happy unity.
If you are having nightmares, how is that our fault?
I have awesome dreams Dave. Years ago I learned
how to fly in my dreams. At first. I had to sit in the
lotus position and really concentrate, and then if I even
lost concentration the slightest bit, I'd think, "shit! I Can't
fly!" and I would fall. But now, after years of practice, I
can fly like superman.
>Save the movement it is dying
>it will all dry up.
>David
You don't have much faith in the Daishonin do you Dave
"If Nichiren's compassion is truly great and encompassing,
Nam-myoho-renge-kyo will spread for ten thousand years and more,
for an eternity, for it has the beneficial power to open the blind eyes
of every living being"
Nichiren Daishonin
"But now in reality, I might have taught him how, and helped find the way
in, but Michael hacked Mary's computer not I."
David Cole, Friend of Soka
"You see I am a person of integrity, pity for you that you can't stand
next to me, as my light blinds your evil nature"
Mercia Nitzsche
"I think you need a stiff stick inserted deeply into your ass and wiggled
around to break up the congestion in there."
David Cole, Gakkai apologist
"You are a fake, a phoney and a total moron, besides being an abuser
of Nichiren's teachings."
Mercia Netzsche
"To degenerate other people's activities, commitments,
or sincerity is not only extremely base, but equally
cruel. It is not a good quality to have and even worse
to manifest publicly. The Daishonin describes it in
the following words 'one evil act wipes away a
person's entire good fortune'."
Mercia Nitzsche
"I may wear different hats, but I unsult no one."
Mercia Netzsche
"From when we first met on the NSS Forum, I tell you the one person
who really has opened my eyes to the Buddha Dharma has been Bruce [Maltz].
He has an excellent insight into the Lotus Sutra."
Mercia Nitzsche
Cody
I remember reading somewhere that Kosen Rufu is as sure as you can't miss
the earth as your target with an arrow.
Cody
"dc" wrote
> Gone are the days of unity
Rest of sad lament snipped.
greengables
the Geika Samma of the Nichiren Shoshu, the Master of this World and the sole
inheritor of the specific transmission of the heritage of the Law.
The reason we celebrate the Oeshiki Ceremony is to celbrate the eternal life of
the Buddha--the good news is that the Buddha is alive and well.....so come out
of the burning house David Cole and have a look. Kosen Rufu is the Buddha's
will and will be accomplished whether you believe the flow of the Law is dried
up or not.
In a single poem you have managed to insult the High Priest who has the
specific transmission and all the believers who have the general transmission
of the Law.... and even your precious SGI.
Nostalgia isn't what it used to be.
How pitiful.
Greenie
Cody
"greengables" wrote
> That would be High Priest Nikken Shonin who is referred to as Reverend.
> Greenie
It makes you think that David agrees with Ikeda that our High Priest
shoudn't be the High Priest.
Cody
jussi
the High Priest as the High Priest and as far as I am aware He is never
referred to in Nichiren Shoshu as Rev Nikken Shonin.
As for the rest of this as a practicing Hokkeko believer we appear not to be
on the same planet as I still have my dreams and I along with countless
other Nichiren Shoshu believers round the world are actively pursuing
compassionate shakubuku every day of our lives. The difference is that we
are not into playing the numbers game but do it steadily one at a time to
create a strong ground of believers who practise strongly and for the right
reasons.
Why don't you join Hokkeko Dave and get in with the real thing rather than
living in a dream from the past that will never return (thankfully IMHO).
What I would truly love to hear from you is genuine support of the
Priesthood and following the Guidance of the current High Priest.
Reading this stuff of yours is very sad...like reading someone who has lost
their heart.
Jussi.
"dc" <rial...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:UOSP7.4440$bA1.163...@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...
jussi
Greenie. A most important point to make!
Jussi.
"greengables" <fenthesi...@aol.commime> wrote in message
news:20011206211709...@mb-fy.aol.com...
Reginald Carpenter
CST+6.
I changed the subject/ title to: Re: "DC"s brain: it's gone - all dried
Up & dying!*
Enuff said - dat DUMB-ASS Dave "DC"s - Drug Crazy Cole's very bad,
DUMB-ASS "poem/ poetry" is enuff Actual Proof of dat! ROTFL.
WorldPeace! } : < { 0
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it will all dry up.
Group: alt.religion.buddhism.nichiren
Date: Thu, Dec 6, 2001, 11:03pm (CST+6) From: rial...@pacbell.net (dc)
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<<< Stone Eagle >>>
Airborne in Cyberspace*
mark
jussi wrote:
>
> Reading this stuff of yours is very sad...like reading someone who has lost
> their heart.
> Jussi.
Daves practice has deteriorated to a point that he needs to re-evaluate
his life and what has caused his loss of faith. This happens to all
people at one time or another and this is a critical time in his life.
What is needed is to honestly look at ones self while chanting to the
Gohonzon, and resolve to make the necessary changes. He knows what those
changes are already. It's only the resolve thats missing.
--
Mark Porter
"Take these teachings to heart, and always remember that believers in
the Lotus Sutra should absolutely be the last to abuse each other. All
those who keep faith in the Lotus Sutra are most certainly Buddhas, and
one who slanders a Buddha commits a grave offense." Gosho; 14 Slanders
for(reverse(1..100)){$s=($_!=1)? 's':'';print"$_ bottle$s of beer on the
wall,\n";print"$_ bottle$s of beer,\nTake one down, pass it around,\n";
$_--;$s=($_==1)?'':'s';print"$_ bottle$s of beer on the
wall\n\n";}print'*burp*';
dc
I remember reading somewhere that Kosen Rufu is as sure as you can't miss
the earth as your target with an arrow.
Cody>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Yeah Michael! In the Year 9873 CE, in excitement it competes with slugs
racing.
David
--
my comments are Copyright ©
David Cole 2001
I am advocating broad study and thinking and open mindedness----not anarchy,
illegality or imprudent behaviors. Some of this may be considered satire.
dc
Greenie<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
And Pious proclamations of formal rhetoric will do nothing but force the
real Jiyu no Bosatsus back from where they came.
david
dc
Cody>>>>>>>>>>>>>
You are out to lunch. I said nothing of the kind.
David
dc
the High Priest as the High Priest and as far as I am aware He is never
referred to in Nichiren Shoshu as Rev Nikken Shonin.
As for the rest of this as a practicing Hokkeko believer we appear not to be
on the same planet as I still have my dreams and I along with countless
other Nichiren Shoshu believers round the world are actively pursuing
compassionate shakubuku every day of our lives. The difference is that we
are not into playing the numbers game but do it steadily one at a time to
create a strong ground of believers who practise strongly and for the right
reasons.
Why don't you join Hokkeko Dave and get in with the real thing rather than
living in a dream from the past that will never return (thankfully IMHO).
What I would truly love to hear from you is genuine support of the
Priesthood and following the Guidance of the current High Priest.
Reading this stuff of yours is very sad...like reading someone who has lost
their heart.
Jussi.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Jussi. There was been no progress in Nichiren Daishonin's buddhism. since
the schism. It has all been backsliding, fragmenting and I for one am not
going to sit here and regurgitate fixed dogma sound bits, as though that
has ANYTHING to do with buddhism. No matter how people make remarks with
firm faith, with no real unity, nothing really can happen. It is absolutely
ludicrous that these buddhsit can'tpractice all together in peace. And they
sit and make vain statements of faith defending disunity as though as though
they have completely forgotten the whole point of Buddhism. Furthermore,
the events in he world is like a mirror of the buddhist disunity. I know
you are sincere, but I want you to understand this. I see pure complacency
and bureaucracy at work in both organization and they are working at
crosspurposes. If people cannot communicate then what kinds of Buddhists
are they? Time to take responsibility---stop the schism. reunite and go on
with the progress. If is foolish to think that a lay organization will
exist without problems, and all I see is people, learning to get real
lethargic and not budge from their sarcophaguses, for the fear of actually
having to get over their lazy nature.
david
dc
jussi wrote:
>
> Reading this stuff of yours is very sad...like reading someone who has
lost
> their heart.
> Jussi.
Daves practice has deteriorated to a point that he needs to re-evaluate
his life and what has caused his loss of faith. This happens to all
people at one time or another and this is a critical time in his life.
What is needed is to honestly look at ones self while chanting to the
Gohonzon, and resolve to make the necessary changes. He knows what those
changes are already. It's only the resolve thats missing.
--
Mark Porter<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Resolve? I 'm resolve to unite to insane organizations that takes a lot of
resolve!
I don't even think you have the foggiest idea of exactly what is going on. I
see ostrichs sticking their heads int he sand. People who think "faith" is
turning into a cabbage patch doll and sitting on a shelf, spouting little
slogans.
If Buddhism is real in your lives then you can unite. If not, then its
your karmic funerals and the funeral of this particular chance at Kosen
Rufu. These chances are rare you know.
This absurd complacency masquerading as righteousness, is going to have to
go.
dc
gone are the days of vigorous revolution gone are the days of seeking
minds into the wonders of life
gone are the days of trust
gone are the days of positive revolution gone are the days of shakubuku
It faded when the corruption filled their hearts
Gone are the days of arm in arm
gone are the days of active revolution
gone are the days of profound meditation
gone are the days of broad minded faith
gone are the days of merciful revolution gone are the days of the
Impossible dream
It faded when they began to slander each other in their hearts
Now is the time for change
now is the last chance for reunification now is the place to turn the
wheel of the law once again.
Extinction is before you
the end of infinity an inevitablity
throwing out your passport to eternity
I urge you to pick it up again and look at each other again
communicate to each other Mr. Ikeda, Rev Nikken Shonin, face to face,
change your nightmares into the happy unity. Save the movement it is
dying it will all dry up.
David
--
my comments are Copyright Š
Cody
"dc" wrote
> "greengables" wrote
>
> > That would be High Priest Nikken Shonin who is referred to as Reverend.
> > Greenie
>
> It makes you think that David agrees with Ikeda that our High Priest
> shoudn't be the High Priest.
>
> Cody>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
> You are out to lunch. I said nothing of the kind.
>
> David
You referred to our High Priest as "Reverend Nikko Shonin". This IMPLIES
what, then?
Cody
I live the life I love and I love the life I live.
-Willie Dixon
To reply by email, change "net" to "com"
Cody
"dc" wrote
> Nostalgia is not the truth, David.
>
> I remember reading somewhere that Kosen Rufu is as sure as you can't miss
> the earth as your target with an arrow.
>
> Cody>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>
> Yeah Michael! In the Year 9873 CE, in excitement it competes with slugs
> racing.
>
> David
So, now you are saying the Daishonin was wrong?
Cody
"dc" <rial...@pacbell.net> wrote
> Daves practice has deteriorated to a point that he needs to re-evaluate
> his life and what has caused his loss of faith. This happens to all
> people at one time or another and this is a critical time in his life.
> What is needed is to honestly look at ones self while chanting to the
> Gohonzon, and resolve to make the necessary changes. He knows what those
> changes are already. It's only the resolve thats missing.
>
>
> --
> Mark Porter<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
>
> Resolve? I 'm resolve to unite to insane organizations that takes a lot of
> resolve!
I could think of a more appropriate word than "resolve".
>
> I don't even think you have the foggiest idea of exactly what is going on.
I
> see ostrichs sticking their heads int he sand. People who think "faith"
is
> turning into a cabbage patch doll and sitting on a shelf, spouting little
> slogans.
And you must think it is insulting your fellow members. Is this one of the
causes you think will lead to reunification or for people to listen to you?
>
> If Buddhism is real in your lives then you can unite. If not, then its
> your karmic funerals and the funeral of this particular chance at Kosen
> Rufu. These chances are rare you know.
>
> This absurd complacency masquerading as righteousness, is going to have to
> go.
>
> david
Your insults are what have to go, David.
Cody
C
to Holte and Ikeda. they do it better
"dc" <rial...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>Gone are the days of unity
>gone are the days of vigorous revolution gone are the days of seeking
>minds into the wonders of life
Dazzling Splender (Ode to Daisaku Ikeda)
The days when you could dazzle me
with your words are long gone.
The days when I was impressed with your songs and
emotions,
are an echo to me.
I have absorbed your messages with my being and my
soul,
and I am more than whole.
I am grateful to you,
and yet aghast at your errors!
How could you fear the truth so much,
that you would obscure it with ornate words?
How could you fear wisdom so much,
as to seek my loyalty on emotion?
I cry when I think of what might yet be,
and I fear you betray your own ideals!
Yet my debt to you is so very profound,
that I can never repay all the arrears!
I lock away my anger with a key,
when I close the altar of my treasure.
I know this wisdom is transforming,
and the truth boundless beyond any measure!
I know the brightness that yet will be,
and in the uncommon sound I take my pleasure!
Chris Holte
C
>specific transmission and all the believers who have the general
>transmission>of the Law.... and even your precious SGI.
>Nostalgia isn't what it used to be.>How pitiful.
>Greenie<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
>And Pious proclamations of formal rhetoric will do nothing but force the
>real Jiyu no Bosatsus back from where they came.
>david
So what happened Dave- did you get a gakker girlfriend
or something? Even drugs couldn't screw someone up that bad
"To Dr. Yoshiro Tamura, associate professor of Toyo University, the "true nature" of
Soka Gakkai is "fanatic and dangerous." He says Soka Gakkai "makes politics
dependent upon religion as long as that religion is Soka Gakkai . . . and will eventually
act against freedom of religion."
LOOK Magazine, Sept. 1963
http://www.cebunet.com/sgi/memo.htm
"In order to destroy the overseas strategies of the Nikkensect, I want to
make a suggestion to all the representatives that we start a special SGI
campaign against the Nikkensect starting today to last until the end of
the Tozan of 100,000 people."
Sensei sent Mr Kitano to Ghana with these words: "When you start to fight
evil, you have to continue to the end. You cannot stop halfway. Fight
with all your strength, with all your might and use All means for that
fight"
"the daimoku campaign to close the temples in the US is NOT a freedom of religion issue..
I'll chant for the temples to close and for the sad people like your self to find wisdom to
cure your blindness."
Joe Stevens SGI-USA
"Those SGI-USA members who are chanting for the temples to close
are chanting just for that -- for the temples in the US to close."
Kathy Ruby
"I don't think if temples close it is a "bad thing"
Craig Ellis, SGI-USA
http://www.cebunet.com/sgi/distortion.htm
http://www.cebunet.com/sgi/memo.htm
"Currently, there are four Priests travelling in Europe, some on their way
to Ghana and others visiting the Danto members to hand out Gohonzons.
It would play right into the hands of Nikken if we allowed the building of
a Temple in Germany or in a German speaking country. We must, at all
costs, prevent that happening by utilising our combined strength.
Again: Somebody goes over to Danto and starts a point, but we do nothing.
A line or Danto group starts and we do nothing. It then increases-
regional, registered by law - and if we still do nothing then a Temple
will be built.
Sensei says: "If you challenge evil, then you must decide the time and
the place to destroy evil".
Basically: Choose the 'place' while it is still relatively small, and
this applies equally to the 'time', ie the time to attack is Now."
Initially and especially we should be "pro-active", in other words, be
informed of all the movements of the Nikkensect and apply a practical
system of "counter-action". As you have already been informed, the SGI
Strategy Dept. has been founded at the SGI-Head Office. In the past, the
movements of the Nikkensect have been carefully monitored outside of Japan
and in conjunction with the Bureau of the European Continent, counter-
activities were instigated. Moreover, the Strategic Department has been
provided to strengthen this system.In several countries in which seminars
about the Nikkensect were held, and guidance relevant to this was given,
camapigns to win the members back were carried out. In addition, measures
were taken against the Priests and Danto organisations."
we should establish a fighting spirit throughout the entire SGI
organisation. There have been various activities led by the Strategy
Dept. such as the campaign to win back members. As to the fight against
the Nikkensect, the members in the front line - especially in the Women's
Division - are aware of important information, ie the movements of the
sect and their methods of convincing people. But, if we don't have a
fighting spirit that is strong enough, this information will not reach
those responsible on the next highest level. Or, they receive the
information but neglect to pass it on to the next highest level of
responsibility.
dc
what, then?
Cody<<<<<<<<<<<
it implies that you are not reading very well.
dc
dc
> Nostalgia is not the truth, David.
>
> I remember reading somewhere that Kosen Rufu is as sure as you can't miss
> the earth as your target with an arrow.
>
> Cody>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>
> Yeah Michael! In the Year 9873 CE, in excitement it competes with slugs
> racing.
>
> David
So, now you are saying the Daishonin was wrong?
Cody<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
The Daishonin knew very well Kosen Rufu is inevitable in terms of infinity
ot "ten thousand years" but was also very aware that nothing is in the bag.
Otherwise why would he quote the Daijuku Sutra in the RisshoAnkoku Ron:
The Daijuku Sutra says: "When the teachings of the Buddha truly become
obscured and lost, then people will all let their beards, hair and
fingernails grow long, and the laws of the world will be forgotten and
ignored. At that time, loud noises will sound in the air and the earth will
shake; everything in the world will begin to move as though it were a
waterwheel. City walls will split and tumble, and all houses and dwellings
will collapse. Roots, branches, leaves, petals and fruits will lose their
medicinal properties. With the exception of the heavens of purity, all the
regions of the world of desire15 will become deprived of the seven flavors16
and the three kinds of vitality,17 until not a trace of them remains any
more. All the good discourses that lead people to emancipation will at this
time disappear. The flowers and fruits that grow in the earth will become
few and will lose their flavor and sweetness. The wells, springs and ponds
will all go dry, the land everywhere will turn brackish and will crack open
and warp into hillocks and gullies. All the mountains will be swept by fire
and the heavenly beings and dragons will no longer send down rain. The
seedlings of the crops will all wither and die, all the living plants will
perish, and even the weeds will cease to grow any more. Dust will rain down
until all is darkness and the sun and the moon no longer shed their light.
"All the four directions will be afflicted by drought, and evil omens will
appear again and again. The ten evil acts18 will increase greatly,
particularly greed, anger and stupidity, and people will think no more of
their fathers and mothers than does the roe deer. Living beings will decline
in numbers, in longevity, physical strength, dignity and enjoyment. They
will become estranged from the delights of the human and heavenly realms and
all will fall into the paths of evil. The wicked rulers and monks who
perform these ten evil acts will curse and destroy my correct teaching and
make it difficult for those in the human and heavenly realms to stay there.
At that time the benevolent deities and heavenly kings, who would ordinarily
take pity on living beings, will abandon this impure and evil nation and all
will make their way to other regions."
The Ninno Sutra states: "When a nation becomes disordered, it is the spirits
which first show signs of rampancy. Because the spirits become rampant, all
the people of the nation become disordered. Invaders come to plunder the
country and the common people face annihilation. The ruler, the high
ministers, the crown prince, the other princes and the hundred officials all
quarrel with each other over right and wrong. Heaven and earth manifest
prodigies and strange occurrences; the twenty-eight constellations19, the
stars, the sun and the moon appear at irregular times and in irregular
positions, and numerous outlaws rise up."
The same sutra also states: "Now when I use the five types of vision to
clearly perceive the three existences, I see that all the kings in their
past existences served five hundred Buddhas, and that is the reason that
they were able to become emperors and sovereigns. And that also is the
reason that all the various sages and arhats are born in their nations and
bring great benefits. But if a time should come when the good fortune of
these rulers runs out, then all the sages will abandon them and depart. And
once the sages have departed, then the seven disasters are certain to
arise."
The Yakushi Sutra states: "If disasters and calamities should befall members
of the ruling Kshatriya20 class and anointed kings21, such disasters will be
as follows: the calamity of disease and pestilence among the populace; the
calamity of invasion and plunder from foreign lands; the calamity of revolt
within one's own domain; the calamity of irregularities and strange
occurrences among the stars and constellations; the calamity of eclipses of
the sun and moon; the calamity of unseasonable wind and rain; and the
calamity of rain that fails to fall even when the season for it has come and
gone."
In the Ninno Sutra, [the Buddha addresses King Prasenajit22 in these words]:
"Great King, the region where my teachings now hold sway consists of one
billion Sumeru worlds with one billion suns and moons. Each of these
Sumeru23 worlds comprises four continents. In the southern continent of
Jambudvipa, there are sixteen major countries, five hundred middle-sized
countries, and ten thousand small countries. In these countries, there are
seven types of fearful disasters that may occur. All the rulers of these
countries agree that these are indeed disasters. What, then, are these
disasters?
"When the sun and moon depart from their regular courses, when the seasons
come in the wrong order, when a red sun or a black sun appears, when two,
three, four or five suns appear at the same time24, when the sun is eclipsed
and loses its light, or when one, two, three, four or five coronas appear
around the sun, this is the first disaster.
"When the twenty-eight constellations do not move in their regular courses,
when the Metal Star25, the Broom Star, the Wheel Star, the Demon Star, the
Fire Star, the Water Star, the Wind Star, the Ladle Star, the Southern
Dipper, the Northern Dipper, the great stars of the Five Garrisons, and all
the many stars that govern the ruler, the three high ministers and the
hundred other officials -- when each of these stars manifests some peculiar
behavior, this is the second disaster.
"When huge fires consume the nation and the people are all burned to death,
or when there are outbreaks of demon fire, dragon fire, heavenly fire,
mountain god fire, human fire, tree fire or bandit fire26 -- when these
prodigies appear, this is the third disaster.
"When huge floods drown the population, when the seasons come out of order
and there is rain in winter, snow in summer, thunder and lightning in the
winter season, and ice, frost and hail in the sixth month, when red, black
or green rain falls, when mountains of dirt and stones come raining down, or
when it rains dust, sand or gravel, when the rivers and streams run
backward, when mountains are afloat and boulders are washed away-when
freakish happenings of this kind occur, this is the fourth disaster.
"When huge winds blow the people to their death and the lands, the mountains
and rivers and the trees and forests are all at one time wiped out, when
great winds come out of season or when black winds, red winds, green winds,
heavenly winds, earthly winds, fire winds and water winds blow -- when
prodigies of this kind occur, this is the fifth disaster.
"When heaven and earth and the whole country are stricken by terrible heat
so that the air seems to be on fire, when the hundred plants wither and the
five kinds of grain27 fail to ripen, when the earth is red and scorched and
the inhabitants all perish-when prodigies of this kind occur, this is the
sixth disaster.
"When enemies rise up on all four sides and invade the nation, when rebels
appear in the capital and the outlying regions, when there are fire bandits,
water bandits, wind bandits and demon bandits28, and the population is
subjected to devastation and disorder, and fighting and plundering break out
everywhere-when prodigies of this type occur, this is the seventh disaster."
The Daijuku Sutra says: "Though the ruler of a state may have for countless
existences in the past practiced the giving of alms, observed the precepts
and cultivated wisdom, if he sees that my teaching is in danger of perishing
and stands idly by without doing anything to protect it, then all the
inestimable roots of goodness that he has planted through the practices just
mentioned will be entirely wiped out, and his country will become the scene
of three inauspicious occurrences. The first is high grain prices, the
second is warfare, and the third is epidemics. All the benevolent deities
will abandon the country, and although the king may issue commands, the
people will not obey them. The country will constantly be invaded and vexed
by neighboring nations. Violent fires will rage out of control, fierce winds
and rains will abound, the waters will swell and overflow, and the
inhabitants will be blown about by winds or swept away by floods. The
paternal and maternal relatives of the ruler will join in plotting revolt.
Before long, the ruler will fall gravely ill, and after his life has come to
an end, he will be reborn in the great hell.... And the same fate will
befall the ruler's consort, his heir, the high ministers of the state, the
lords of cities, the village heads and generals, the magistrates of
districts, and the government officials."
The passages I have quoted from these four sutras are perfectly clear --
what person in ten thousand could possibly doubt their meaning? And yet the
blind and the deluded recklessly trust to heretical doctrines and fail to
recognize the correct teachings. Therefore, throughout the empire these days
people are inclined to turn away from the Buddhas and the sutras and no
longer endeavor to protect them. Because of this, the benevolent deities and
sages abandon the nation and leave their accustomed places. As a result,
demons and followers of heretical doctrines create disaster and inflict
calamity upon the populace.
dc
"dc" <rial...@pacbell.net> wrote
Cody<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
call it what you will, as long as my fellow buddhists friend sit with their
thumbs in their asses refusing to toss away their phoney egos then they are
destroying budhism and deserve worse then any insults.
David
Cody
> You referred to our High Priest as "Reverend Nikko Shonin". This IMPLIES
> what, then?
>
> Cody<<<<<<<<<<<
>
> it implies that you are not reading very well.
>
> dc
How come, then, didn't you refer to him as "High Priest Nikko Shonin"
instead of "Rev."?
Cody
dc
Cody<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Nikko Shonin?
david
Cody
"dc" wrote
> "dc" wrote
>
> > Nostalgia is not the truth, David.
> >
> > I remember reading somewhere that Kosen Rufu is as sure as you can't
miss
> > the earth as your target with an arrow.
> >
> > Cody>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >
> >
> > Yeah Michael! In the Year 9873 CE, in excitement it competes with slugs
> > racing.
> >
> > David
>
> So, now you are saying the Daishonin was wrong?
>
> Cody<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
>
> The Daishonin knew very well Kosen Rufu is inevitable in terms of infinity
> ot "ten thousand years" but was also very aware that nothing is in the
bag.
> Otherwise why would he quote the Daijuku Sutra in the RisshoAnkoku Ron:
I read this passage several times. I don't see where he says here - or in
the Gosho that mentions the certainty of Kosen Rufu - that the jig is up if
we don't unite with Father Sensei and compromise True Buddhism in the
process. Maybe I missed it, point out to me where he states that in this
Gosho or any other. Reuniting with the SGI Ikeda cult would bring the
predictions in this Gosho to fruition.
You've never been a member of Hokkeko. Now I understand why. They're not
good enough for you, are they?
Cody
Cody
"dc" <rial...@pacbell.net> wrote
>
> "dc" <rial...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
> news:w4xQ7.3394$a24.18...@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
> > You referred to our High Priest as "Reverend Nikko Shonin". This IMPLIES
> > what, then?
> >
> > Cody<<<<<<<<<<<
> >
> > it implies that you are not reading very well.
> >
> > dc
>
> How come, then, didn't you refer to him as "High Priest Nikko Shonin"
> instead of "Rev."?
>
> Cody<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
>
> Nikko Shonin?
>
> david
I meant High Priest Nikken Shonin. Unlike you, I make mistakes from time to
time. Also, I have no problem admitting I have made one when I do; it's a
part of learning from them.
Now, can you try to focus on the question and not on what is an obvious
typo?
Cody
dc
> ot "ten thousand years" but was also very aware that nothing is in the
bag.
> Otherwise why would he quote the Daijuku Sutra in the RisshoAnkoku Ron:
I read this passage several times. I don't see where he says here - or in
the Gosho that mentions the certainty of Kosen Rufu - that the jig is up if
we don't unite with Father Sensei and compromise True Buddhism in the
process. Maybe I missed it, point out to me where he states that in this
Gosho or any other. Reuniting with the SGI Ikeda cult would bring the
predictions in this Gosho to fruition.
You've never been a member of Hokkeko. Now I understand why. They're not
good enough for you, are they?
Cody<<<<<<<<<<<<
Your reasoning is warped and twisted. You little suspicious ass.
I'll let cause and effect decide for me which lay organization I am
connected with. So far, I, as were you, and all the people here, ALL
related to Nichiren Shoshu Soka Gakkai by Karma, not schismatice fallout.
There is more to things then you are prepared to look at.
dc
> >
> > dc
>
> How come, then, didn't you refer to him as "High Priest Nikko Shonin"
> instead of "Rev."?
>
> Cody<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
>
> Nikko Shonin?
>
> david
I meant High Priest Nikken Shonin. Unlike you, I make mistakes from time to
time. Also, I have no problem admitting I have made one when I do; it's a
part of learning from them.
Now, can you try to focus on the question and not on what is an obvious
typo?
Cody<<<<<<<<<<<
A typo is one thing,but two separate consecutive posts, is another.
And in your fake piousness you spew your venom. Gee such fake reverence
makes me puke. If you gave a damn about Nichiren Shoshu, you would be
thinking Mai ji sa ze Nen.
What we have here is a case of severe Denseosity.
David
C
>Your reasoning is warped and twisted. You little suspicious ass.
Tsk tsk. The Daved Cole I used to know didn't have to
use such insults to get his point accross. What happened Dave
got a new Gakkai girlfriend or what?
C
"But now in reality, I might have taught him how, and helped find the way
in, but Michael hacked Mary's computer not I."
David Cole, Friend of Soka
"You see I am a person of integrity, pity for you that you can't stand
next to me, as my light blinds your evil nature"
Mercia Nitzsche
"I think you need a stiff stick inserted deeply into your ass and wiggled
around to break up the congestion in there."
David Cole, Gakkai apologist
"You are a fake, a phoney and a total moron, besides being an abuser
of Nichiren's teachings."
Mercia Netzsche
"To degenerate other people's activities, commitments,
or sincerity is not only extremely base, but equally
cruel. It is not a good quality to have and even worse
to manifest publicly. The Daishonin describes it in
the following words 'one evil act wipes away a
person's entire good fortune'."
Mercia Nitzsche
"I may wear different hats, but I unsult no one."
Mercia Netzsche
"From when we first met on the NSS Forum, I tell you the one person
who really has opened my eyes to the Buddha Dharma has been Bruce [Maltz].
He has an excellent insight into the Lotus Sutra."
Mercia Nitzsche
C
>Your insults are what have to go, David.
>Cody<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
>call it what you will, as long as my fellow buddhists friend sit with their
>thumbs in their asses refusing to toss away their phoney egos then they are
>destroying budhism and deserve worse then any insults.
>David
And when you sit there and spout this kind of abuse, uit
accomplishes what?
Craig
"But now in reality, I might have taught him how, and helped find the way
in, but Michael hacked Mary's computer not I."
David Cole, Friend of Soka
"You see I am a person of integrity, pity for you that you can't stand
next to me, as my light blinds your evil nature"
Mercia Nitzsche
"I think you need a stiff stick inserted deeply into your ass and wiggled
around to break up the congestion in there."
David Cole, Gakkai apologist
"You are a fake, a phoney and a total moron, besides being an abuser
of Nichiren's teachings."
Mercia Netzsche
"call it what you will, as long as my fellow buddhists friend sit with their
thumbs in their asses refusing to toss away their phoney egos then they are
destroying budhism and deserve worse then any insults."
Dave Cole
C
>And in your fake piousness you spew your venom. Gee such fake reverence
>makes me puke. If you gave a damn about Nichiren Shoshu, you would be
>thinking Mai ji sa ze Nen.
>What we have here is a case of severe Denseosity.
>David
If you gave a damn you wouldn't be throwing out childish
insults every third sentence.
Clark Barr
the schism. "
Another false statement.
We're doing dine without tbe SGI.
We will be around until Kosen-Rufu is attained.
The SGI will cease to be when Ikedaidiot dies.
CLARK
greengables
greenie
greengables
exist without problems, and all I see is people, learning to get real
lethargic and not budge from their sarcophaguses, for the fear of actually
having to get over their lazy nature. >>
And you appear to be the most complacent of all--you don't even know what the
world looks like outside of your own little corner of it. How can you preach
when you haven't done anything in ten years and do nothing but whine now and
blame everyone else. If it has all been disintegrating where were you---and why
did it take you so long to speak up?
You sound like John Lennon--oh just imagine what it would be like if there were
no religion....it is a naive view, a provincial view of the world. Go
somewhere, do something and take a giant step outside your mind.
greenie
Cody
> > > it implies that you are not reading very well.
> > >
> > > dc
> >
> > How come, then, didn't you refer to him as "High Priest Nikko Shonin"
> > instead of "Rev."?
> >
> > Cody<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
> >
> > Nikko Shonin?
> >
> > david
>
> I meant High Priest Nikken Shonin. Unlike you, I make mistakes from time
to
> time. Also, I have no problem admitting I have made one when I do; it's a
> part of learning from them.
>
> Now, can you try to focus on the question and not on what is an obvious
> typo?
>
> Cody<<<<<<<<<<<
>
> A typo is one thing,but two separate consecutive posts, is another.
>
> And in your fake piousness you spew your venom. Gee such fake reverence
> makes me puke. If you gave a damn about Nichiren Shoshu, you would be
> thinking Mai ji sa ze Nen.
>
> What we have here is a case of severe Denseosity.
>
>
> David
What we have here is you insulting me over and over again. I guess you
"can't" answer the question.
Cody
Cody
"C" <wrote
> "dc" wrote:
> >Your reasoning is warped and twisted. You little suspicious ass.
>
> Tsk tsk. The Daved Cole I used to know didn't have to
> use such insults to get his point accross.
It is sad.
> What happened Dave
> got a new Gakkai girlfriend or what?
>
> C
You know what happens to a man on a crusade. They become fanatics.
--
Cody
"dc" wrote
>
> call it what you will,
I am calling it what it IS.
> as long as my fellow buddhists friend sit with their
> thumbs in their asses refusing to toss away their phoney egos then they
are
> destroying budhism and deserve worse then any insults.
>
> David
Reunifying with the Ikeda SGI cult would set Buddhism back light years.
Thanks to Nichiren Shoshu, Buddhism has NOT been destroyed.
Cody
Wiley bad
thumbs in their asses refusing to toss away their phoney egos then they are
destroying budhism and deserve worse then any insults.
David>>
If you focus on your own practice and refuse to be either intimidated or moved
by any of the loose shenanigans here that look sorta like reasonable dialogue,
Dave, you will without fail recover your connection to Nichiren, and reform
yourself appropriately.
We are now indeed in Mappo!
Wiley
C
C
mark
dc wrote:
>
>
> Resolve? I 'm resolve to unite to insane organizations that takes a lot of
> resolve!
>
> I don't even think you have the foggiest idea of exactly what is going on. I
> see ostrichs sticking their heads int he sand. People who think "faith" is
> turning into a cabbage patch doll and sitting on a shelf, spouting little
> slogans.
We wouldn't have to do that if some people would get it into their
heads that they are not going to change Nichiren Shoshu ever! Itai
Doshin exist within Nichiren Shoshu. It doesn't exist between other
religions, and SGI is another religion.
The reason your practice has become stale is because of your slander.
Thats the insideous nature of slander. You don't even see what its doing
to you, but others can see. Other people have told you this over and
over. When are you going to start listening?
>
> If Buddhism is real in your lives then you can unite. If not, then its
> your karmic funerals and the funeral of this particular chance at Kosen
> Rufu. These chances are rare you know.
>
> This absurd complacency masquerading as righteousness, is going to have to
> go.
>
I don't see any complacency except on the part of people that think SGI
and NST should re-unite.
--
Mark Porter
"Take these teachings to heart, and always remember that believers in
the Lotus Sutra should absolutely be the last to abuse each other. All
those who keep faith in the Lotus Sutra are most certainly Buddhas, and
one who slanders a Buddha commits a grave offense." Gosho; 14 Slanders
for(reverse(1..100)){$s=($_!=1)? 's':'';print"$_ bottle$s of beer on the
wall,\n";print"$_ bottle$s of beer,\nTake one down, pass it around,\n";
$_--;$s=($_==1)?'':'s';print"$_ bottle$s of beer on the
wall\n\n";}print'*burp*';
MarcInMD
nature" of
Soka Gakkai is "fanatic and dangerous." He says Soka Gakkai "makes politics
dependent upon religion as long as that religion is Soka Gakkai . . . and will
eventually
act against freedom of religion."<
It is consistantly funny that Craig Bratcher quotes Tamura. He ws one of Graham
Lamont's teachers and a person who in no way sides with the "Nichiren" Sho Shu
on any point . He taught Lamont how to spot the hongaku language indicative of
forgery in the Gosho's Taiskeiji loves to use and Lamont taught me.
Grampa Tamura... He would not approve of Mr. Bratcher views.
Wiley bad
Wiley
Cody
"Wiley bad" wrote
> Just a little paranoid, eh Craig?
> Wiley
The next time you go to one of your SS meetings, tell everyone there that
Cody and Craig are "paranoid".
Cody
C
"Members of the group have used arson and a bomb threat against
temples of rival Buddhist groups. Soka Gakkai has also tried to block the
publication of critical books, and it was convicted of wiretapping the
house of the Communist Party leader. A spokesman said the bomb threat
and arson incidents involved "individuals with history of mental illness"
NY Times 11-14-99
"it isn't worth spending a lot of money on spying on the Temple, since
so many people are willing to do it for free"
Chris Holte
Daisaku gave the orders:
"Let us proudly advance on the supreme road to Kosenrufu as we
BRING AN END to the [High Priest] Nikken sect"
WT, March 1, 1993, p. 4
The followers reply to their sensei:
The Soka Gakkai also has begun a campaign of harassment
against the priests. Rumors have been spread that the Taisekiji
Temple grounds are in disarray, with stray dogs wandering
about and robbers lurking in the shadows. Right-wing groups
park their sound trucks outside the temple and blast out their
criticism of the priests..."
Los Angeles Times, 12/16/91
"I know what the group does to people whom it
regards as its enemies. It's not safe for anyone
who dares to criticize it."
TIME - THE POWER OF SOKA GAKKAI
http://pathfinder.com/@@cQhxKQUA1N@02C68/time/international/1995/951120/japan.html
Ms. U witnessed four SGI senior leaders storm Bukkenji Temple.
She attempted to take a photograph of the vehicle that they
had arrived in. The four persons turned their attention on her
and charged her, knocking her into the air. When she hit the
ground, they brutally kicked and assaulted her. She suffered
multiple serious injuries, a broken hip and spinal fractures.
Shukan Jitsuwa 12/02/93
One member of the group of four monks and six followers
said they were verbally abused and punched by local members of
the Singapore Nichiren Shoshu Buddhist Association
(SNSBA) [Soka Gakkai Singapore].
The Straits Times - TUESDAY, JUNE 25, 1991
"They tried to chase us when my sisters
went out. They came to our home to try to harass us. My former
friends told lies to get my phone number. When they called,
they said,‘You will go to hell, you will be unhappy’. Some were
subjected to physical violence. There was an order by Ikeda to
harass members who leave the cult."
Japan’s Rush Hour of The Gods
THE AUSTRALIAN MAGAZINE
http://www.cebunet.com/sgi/rushour.htm
..."a mob of Soka Gakkai members, marched into the Kaishinji temple during a
religious service. Shoving aside worshippers, they seized Yahiro and
Kashiwazaki. I thought I was going to die, recalls Yahiro, an
asthmatic. He almost did. A large man grabbed Yahiro by his necktie and lifted
him off the floor, and others took turns punching him until he passed out."
TIME Magazine November 20, 1995 Volume 146, No. 21
"...several hundred Soka Gakkai members invaded his temple during a
service and beat him so severely that he was hospitalized for three months.
Yahiro's hospitalization in April 1991 brought to light a brewing battle..."
San Francisco Chronicle: - Japan Fears Another Religious Sect
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/1995/12/27/MN62956.DTL
SGI charter:
3.SGI shall respect and protect the freedom of religion and religious
expression.
7.SGI shall, based on the Buddhist spirit of tolerance, respect other
religions...
SOURCE: SGI Homepage
Reginald Carpenter
11:03pm CST+6; x-ref. to RC (my) posting on 12/07/01, 7:02pm CST.
I changed the subject/ title to: Re: "DC"s Poem for all old Damned
Crazy & Obsessed IkedatBot Idiots!*
Also, just try to make some sense out of all that NONsense, I corrected
the capitalization, punctuation, spelling and entire format of the old
IkedaBot IDIOT, nka. Dave "DC" - Drug Crazed Cole's d-a-m-ned crazy &
obsessively, INcompetently written DUMB-ASS composition that he so
arrogantly & ignorantly & brazenly has had the un-mitigated gall & nerve
to try to pass it off to Arbn readers as being a "poem" or poetry - NOT
hardly! ROTFL.
Because, this is really No-thing [Zen] more than an ex-pression of old
Dave "DC" - Drug Crazy Cole's SAD - sad-ness, and affection & devotion
for his ole beloved Massa "Sin-say" and his FANATICAL & HERETICAL
A-ISZBF - Al-Ikeda Soka Zen "Buddhist" FunDaMentalism, nka. the "Itai
Doshin & Re-Unification" religion for the new-aged, NaSTy-SGI/ NSS
(mess!) CULTies who are just like that old, retro 1960s, so called, as
he calls it, "Nichiren Shoshu SokaGakkai," ex-YMD - Young Mentally
Deranged, Ikedabot IDIOT, nka. Dave "DC" - Devoid of Credibility Cole!
ROTFL.
Duh, who else could that be? Answer - NObody but the little "dc" - drug
czar! ROTFL.
BJW - Buddhist Jihad War. } : < { 0
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Re: "DC"s brain: it's gone - all dried Up & dying!*
Group: alt.religion.buddhism.nichiren
Date: Fri, Dec 7, 2001, 7:02pm
From: chiefst...@webtv.net (Reginald Carpenter)
A quickie for "DC" from RC. Re. "dc" posting on 12/06/01, 8:03am &
11:03pm CST+6.
I changed the subject/ title to: Re: "DC"s brain: it's gone - all dried
Up & dying!*
Enuff said - dat DUMB-ASS Dave "DC"s - Drug Crazy Cole's very bad,
DUMB-ASS "poem/ poetry" is enuff Actual Proof of dat! ROTFL.
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Group: alt.religion.buddhism.nichiren
Date: Thu, Dec 6, 2001, 11:03pm (CST+6) From: rial...@pacbell.net (dc)
Poem for the Complacent, Lazy and Obsessed.
Group: alt.religion.buddhism.nichiren
Date: Sat, Dec 8, 2001, 8:03am (CST+6)
From: rial...@pacbell.net (dc)
It will all dry up. LOL.
Gone are the days of unity.
Gone are the days of vigorous revolution.
Gone are the days of seeking minds into the wonders of life. LOL.
Gone are the days of trust.
Gone are the days of positive revolution.
Gone are the days of shakubuku. It faded when the corruption filled
their hearts.
Gone are the days of arm in arm. LOL.
Gone are the days of active revolution.
Gone are the days of profound meditation. Gone are the days of broad
minded faith.
Gone are the days of merciful revolution. Gone are the days of
the "Impossible Dream." ROTFL.
It faded when they began to slander each other in their hearts.
Now is the time for change.
Now is the last chance for re-unification.
Now is the place to turn the Wheel of the Law once again. ROTFL.
Extinction is before you.
The end of infinity an inevitablity [sic].
Throwing out your passport to eternity. ROTFL.
I urge you to pick it up again and look at each other again communicate
to each other Mr. AL-Ikeda, Rev. Nikken Shonin, face to face; change
your nightmares into the happy unity. Save the movement. It is dying.
It will all dry up. ROTFL & LMAO.
David
--
my comments ["Insults Are Surrealism"!] are Copyright © DC [Drug
Crazy]
David Cole 2001
I am advocating broad SLANDEROUS and TRAITOROUS thinking and open
HERETICAL mindedness --- not NST [Nichiren Shoshu Temple] [legal or
prudent] behaviors. Some of this may be considered STUPIDITY!
[RC comments are bracketed & in all Caps. LOL.]
BJW - Buddhist Jihad War. } : < { 0
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<<< Stone Eagle >>>
Airborne in Cyberspace*
dc
>
> And in your fake piousness you spew your venom. Gee such fake reverence
> makes me puke. If you gave a damn about Nichiren Shoshu, you would be
> thinking Mai ji sa ze Nen.
>
> What we have here is a case of severe Denseosity.
>
>
> David
What we have here is you insulting me over and over again. I guess you
"can't" answer the question.
Cody<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Your question is phoney and stupid, not applicable to anything but the
miserable droolings of someone who has NO idea what he is doing. try
looking in the Nichiren Shoshu Monthly,do you think it always calls the High
Priest by the most lengthy titles? What exactly do you think buddhism is?
Person worship? It certainly isn't chain smoking hash hish and tabacco day
in and day out and sitting on the internet while you scream at your family
and they scream back, pretending tobe this piuos disciple. Hell I think
you've been supporting the Taliban singlehandedly, with your hash- hish
consumption. Nothing against hash hish but moderation is important. Your
stuperous condition is twisting buddhism entirely inyour brain. relaxing
things like alcohol and cannibis are not Buddhist practice aids Michael.
Honensty your interpretations and focus in and about Buddhism, are so far
off that it is unrecognizable.
As long as you continue with your pathetic superstitious tripe I will
continue to be harsh with you. You do NOTHING but sit on the internet and
gert stoned and wave your own silly heretical flag.
David
dc
dc wrote:
>
>
> Resolve? I 'm resolve to unite to insane organizations that takes a lot of
> resolve!
>
> I don't even think you have the foggiest idea of exactly what is going on.
I
> see ostrichs sticking their heads int he sand. People who think "faith"
is
> turning into a cabbage patch doll and sitting on a shelf, spouting little
> slogans.
We wouldn't have to do that if some people would get it into their
heads that they are not going to change Nichiren Shoshu
ever!<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Mark you are unknowingly defacing Nichiren Shoshu. You need to find out
what Buddhism is really all about and stop focusing on the pissing wars.
Nichiren Shoshu will change with the times that is a main part of Nichiren
Daishonin's and Nichiren Shoshu teachings. It is YOU that is off. it is you
grasping at a fixed dogma as though it is True Buddhism. That kind of false
grasping onto dogma is not the teachings of Nichiren Shoshu. Faith is not
the practice of holding onto a specific batch of dogma terms and transient
beliefs. Faith is much deeper. Nichiren Daishonin as a himan being had a
profound cosmic awakening about life as did Gautama and other buddhas, The
very basis of the gohonzon is not his scholarly portrayal of the Lotus Sutra
Ceremony. IT is based on seeing within and without himself in the perennial
experience associated with all Buddhas. The teaching of all Buddhas. The
reason we call Nichiren Daishonin the "true buddha" is because he was a
lowly common person attaining buddhahood. He knew that it was proof that
ALL people are Buddhas!
Nichiren Shoshu is a profound protocol and good protocols, alway allow for
change and upgrades. A protocol is something people agree to and follow for
the sake of unity,but at the same time a protocol is not a prison of dogma.
The people whoformulated TCP/IP in agreement as a protocol to allow general
internet connectivity, did not assumethat this protocol would not develop
and change! Of course it has tochange as technology changes. The same is
tue with Buddhism. Buddhism changes according to the time. The fixed aspect
of Nichiren Shoshu you are referring to is the Law itself, not all the means
used to lead people to it. No Mark that sneaking suspicion way in the back
of your mind that you think is heresy...is really wisdom. Buddhismis a
practice andway to unite people so they can upgrade life as we know it,
using science the arts, philosophy and complete grasp of the secrets of
consciousness and the universe.......not de-evolving into dependent spuds
all wearing robes and spouting fixated dogma and lettingthe world crash down
around them.. Stop turning Nichiren Shoshu into your own ignorant image of
stagnation and extinct expedients.
It will all dry up as long as buddhism--ignorant, vocal minoroties, rage at
each other and just offer excuses for their banner of false pride while
swinging their hammers of resentment.
David
C
>As long as you continue with your pathetic superstitious tripe I will
>continue to be harsh with you. You do NOTHING but sit on the internet and
>gert stoned and wave your own silly heretical flag.
>David
Now you are sounding just like your hypocrite SGI friends,
accusing your opponent of things that you are the master at.
So what's up Dave- are you dating a Gakkai woman or what?
I heard that some have been trained to use their... how can I
put this gingerly...their... bodies like a snapper to help them ensnare
their targets and get them to cooperate in the hero worship and
defence of Ikeda. If it's true, that must be a powerful tool LOL
Craig
"Dear Carmen, do you really think that sending spies to
the temple violates their rights somehow? Isn't it
the method of the spy to not get caught? To blend in?
If he creates a disruption, then he reveals himself."
Kathy Ruby
"Yes, I do pray every day for the Nichiren Shoshu temples in the United
States to close do to lack of support. I believe they are spreading a
deluded view of Buddhism in response to the devil king of the sixth heaven's
command."
Tom CUltican, SGI-USA
"Changing the subject doesn't work. Ikeda made a deal to not
establish SGI in China, in return the communists made an agreement not
to persecute SGI members. Considering the very limited room to
maneuver it was a diplomatic decision."
Chris Holte
http://www.cebunet.com/sgi/look863.htm
"According to the organization's public-relations director, Yukimasa Fujiwara, it has an average
net annual income of over $8,500,000 -- tax-exempt as with all acknowledged religions"
LOOK Magazine
September 10, 1963
"Because We have the money, and Hokkeko does
not have EVEN A FRACTION of the money we have,
who do you think will win this battle between
the corrupt priesthood and SGI?"
Richard Hower, SGI-USA member
"Soka Gakkai is unmistakably a church militant in Japan geared for a determined march abroad.
It's significance to America and all nations cannot be ignored. Its target is world domination"
LOOK Magazine
September 10, 1963
"Recently, the Japan Times had reported that a 33-year-old an "avid follower of Soka
Gakkai," had shoved his four-year-old son into the path of an oncoming train, then
changed his mind about committing suicide. The child died of a fractured skull."
LOOK Magazine
September 10, 1963
"By the end of the interview, it was clear that Ikeda, whose word is absolute law to 10 million
unquestioning believers, was unflinchingly confident that Soka Gakkai will succeed in the total
conversion of Japan, and then the world."
LOOK Magazine
September 10, 1963
"To Dr. Yoshiro Tamura, associate professor of Toyo University, the "true nature" of
Soka Gakkai is "fanatic and dangerous." He says Soka Gakkai "makes politics
dependent upon religion as long as that religion is Soka Gakkai . . . and will eventually
act against freedom of religion."
LOOK Magazine
September 10, 1963
"William P Woodard of Tokyo's International Institute for the Study of Religions comments:
"Soka Gakkai does not respect the rights of others. It threatens reprisals to all who oppose
it. Followers are obliged to engage in forced conversion, and in doing so, they force
themselves into private homes and refuse to leave when asked. They disrupt public meetings
and threaten nonbelievers. Leaders encourage violence.
"Soka Gakkai has developed in such a sinister manner," Woodard contends, "that
most people in positions of public responsibility are afraid to take objective stands
against it. They are literally afraid; they never know what form reprisal will take. Its
insidious nature makes it a definite threat to a free, democratic society. It creates a
kind of private terrorism"
LOOK Magazine
September 10, 1963
C
>Mark you are unknowingly defacing Nichiren Shoshu. You need to find out
>what Buddhism is really all about and stop focusing on the pissing wars.
So which one is better- one who does so unwittingly or you, who
does it with full knowledge (or so you claim)?
You piss more than anybody else. Calling people childish names,
pointing fingers from up atop your high moral horse with Mercia
strapped on the back, along with a couple followers of Daisaku
Ikeda. One of these days that horse is going to collapse out of
exhaustion.
Craig
"But now in reality, I might have taught him how, and helped find the way
in, but Michael hacked Mary's computer not I."
David Cole, Friend of Soka
"You see I am a person of integrity, pity for you that you can't stand
next to me, as my light blinds your evil nature"
Mercia Nitzsche
"I think you need a stiff stick inserted deeply into your ass and wiggled
around to break up the congestion in there."
David Cole, Gakkai apologist
"You are a fake, a phoney and a total moron, besides being an abuser
of Nichiren's teachings."
Mercia Netzsche
"call it what you will, as long as my fellow buddhists friend sit with their
thumbs in their asses refusing to toss away their phoney egos then they are
destroying budhism and deserve worse then any insults."
Cody
"dc" <rial...@pacbell.net> wrote
> What we have here is you insulting me over and over again. I guess you
> "can't" answer the question.
>
> Cody<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
>
> Your question is phoney and stupid, not applicable to anything but the
> miserable droolings of someone who has NO idea what he is doing. try
> looking in the Nichiren Shoshu Monthly,do you think it always calls the
High
> Priest by the most lengthy titles? What exactly do you think buddhism is?
> Person worship? It certainly isn't chain smoking hash hish and tabacco
day
> in and day out and sitting on the internet while you scream at your family
> and they scream back, pretending tobe this piuos disciple. Hell I
think
> you've been supporting the Taliban singlehandedly, with your hash- hish
> consumption. Nothing against hash hish but moderation is important. Your
> stuperous condition is twisting buddhism entirely inyour brain. relaxing
> things like alcohol and cannibis are not Buddhist practice aids Michael.
> Honensty your interpretations and focus in and about Buddhism, are so far
> off that it is unrecognizable.
Gosh, David, your erroneous assessment of my situation and insults are
supposed to get me to listen to you? Read what you just wrote above and the
other diatribes you have posted to other Hokkeko members before you go round
lecturing people about things you do not know.
> As long as you continue with your pathetic superstitious tripe I will
> continue to be harsh with you. You do NOTHING but sit on the internet and
> gert stoned and wave your own silly heretical flag.
>
> David
Fuck off, David. I do a lot more than "sit on the internet and
> gert stoned" and you know it.
Cody
dc
>As long as you continue with your pathetic superstitious tripe I will
>continue to be harsh with you. You do NOTHING but sit on the internet and
>gert stoned and wave your own silly heretical flag.
>David
Now you are sounding just like your hypocrite SGI friends,
accusing your opponent of things that you are the master at.
So what's up Dave- are you dating a Gakkai woman or what?
I heard that some have been trained to use their... how can I
put this gingerly...their... bodies like a snapper to help them ensnare
their targets and get them to cooperate in the hero worship and
defence of Ikeda. If it's true, that must be a powerful tool LOL
Craig<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
I don't recall any female enticements Craig, is this some fantasy you have?
I did get deluged with e-mails from a lonely Hokkeko woman. I also don't
recall any Ikeda "Hero worship and defense," coming from me. With this kind
of twisting I am not surprised at all that the Priesthood thinks your
internet activity does nothing but inflame situations. Perhaps this thing I
wrote to Michael touches a raw nerve in you.. There is something totally and
truely perverse about sitting stoned on the internet all day and posting the
same things over and over again, on a buddhist board, with nothing but
vehemence for other people who worship the Dai Gohonzon. You are like a
person who says black is white and white is black, even when black says "I
am black!" and white says "I am white!"
You project your own ideas on to things,which is a trait of someone with
incorrigible disbelief and suspiciousness. In reality if a secret means were
used, you would call indignanatly call the buddha a liar. but then you don't
study enough to have understood what that means I guess.
David
dc
>Mark you are unknowingly defacing Nichiren Shoshu. You need to find out
>what Buddhism is really all about and stop focusing on the pissing wars.
So which one is better- one who does so unwittingly or you, who
does it with full knowledge (or so you claim)?
You piss more than anybody else. Calling people childish names,
pointing fingers from up atop your high moral horse with Mercia
strapped on the back, along with a couple followers of Daisaku
Ikeda. One of these days that horse is going to collapse out of
exhaustion.
Craig<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Bullshit Craig.
Your pissing wars with fellow members is constant,devoid of any intelligent
content from you, now humorless, and repeative someone beating a dead horse
with allthese stupid news articles and constantly living in the past. I
exaggeratingthe pissingnow as anyone with any sense can see, inan
attempttoshow you and Michaelthat this passive aggressive, non-buddhist
bullshit has to stop.
And the real truth about the arbn pissing is too pathetic to ponder.
David
--
my comments are Copyright ©
David Cole 2001
I am advocating broad study and thinking and open mindedness----not anarchy,
illegality or imprudent behaviors. Some of this may be considered satire.
dc
> consumption. Nothing against hash hish but moderation is important. Your
> stuperous condition is twisting buddhism entirely inyour brain. relaxing
> things like alcohol and cannibis are not Buddhist practice aids Michael.
> Honensty your interpretations and focus in and about Buddhism, are so far
> off that it is unrecognizable.
Gosh, David, your erroneous assessment of my situation and insults are
supposed to get me to listen to you? Read what you just wrote above and the
other diatribes you have posted to other Hokkeko members before you go round
lecturing people about things you do not know.
> As long as you continue with your pathetic superstitious tripe I will
> continue to be harsh with you. You do NOTHING but sit on the internet and
> gert stoned and wave your own silly heretical flag.
>
> David
Fuck off, David. I do a lot more than "sit on the internet and
> gert stoned" and you know it.
Cody<<<<<<<<<<<<<
I'm sure you jerk off too.
I'm sure that the Au Pair business is booming, All you need to get is is
Afghan Women to do the house cleaning,I understand they need placements in
good families
I hear BinLaden might sneak off to Spain and start an Au Pair business.
Better get to work
david
C
Reggie and Marc. Have fun with your reunification of Daisaku
Ikeda and friends
Craig
"dc" <rial...@pacbell.net> pissed:
>Bullshit Craig.
>Your pissing wars with fellow members is constant,devoid of any intelligent
>content from you, now humorless, and repeative someone beating a dead horse
>with allthese stupid news articles and constantly living in the past. I
>exaggeratingthe pissingnow as anyone with any sense can see, inan
>attempttoshow you and Michaelthat this passive aggressive, non-buddhist
>bullshit has to stop.
>And the real truth about the arbn pissing is too pathetic to ponder.
>David
Cody
See you later, David. Let us all know when you feel better.
Cody
dc
Reggie and Marc. Have fun with your reunification of Daisaku
Ikeda and friends
Craig
"dc" <rial...@pacbell.net> pissed:
>Bullshit Craig.
>Your pissing wars with fellow members is constant,devoid of any intelligent
>content from you, now humorless, and repeative someone beating a dead horse
>with allthese stupid news articles and constantly living in the past. I
>exaggeratingthe pissingnow as anyone with any sense can see, inan
>attempttoshow you and Michaelthat this passive aggressive, non-buddhist
>bullshit has to stop.
>And the real truth about the arbn pissing is too pathetic to ponder.
>David<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Craig OSamatrich Bratcher my good friend. The tabloid Journalist of the
Pissing wars, took over where Joh Ayres left off.
LOL
dc
dc
let's see, how bout Afgan Womens Spanish Liberation Au Pair Agency and Hash
Hish disco and English lessons?
Sounds good to me.
dc
Cody
--
Wiley bad
this negative regurgitation of the past. It's the only way he can validate
some bad decisions long ago, even as he realizes he's creating more bad karma
thataway.
For some, I guess it has to get righteously painful before one thinks for one's
self again.
Good thing about the Buddhism of Ho'nin-myo is that, no matter what, we can all
start over right now.
Wiley
C
>Good thing about the Buddhism of Ho'nin-myo is that, no matter what, we can all
>start over right now.
>Wiley
When are you going to start?
blackpearlviper
It is funny how one's viewpoint changes with the circumstances. I do
have an email from you stating--write when you feel like it--after my
statement to you that I seemed to be writing too much and would not
continue. Funny that you answered them all and didn't mention that
they were too prolific and/or ask me to stop writing them at the time.
Funny that you stated that you enjoyed our conversations. Too funny.
You trash your friendships with Cody and myself and others because we
don't agree with you about reunification and then try to defame us
which is one of the ten evil acts-- but your new friends should know
that you have no idea about loyalty especially not to the Nichiren
Shoshu and would do the same thing to them if they dared to disagree.
You are a bully and a tyrant who goes through friends like toilet
paper and then trashes them later. You have to make others look bad
and blame them because you can't face your own karma.
You will probably never sit before the DaiGohonzon again so what gives
you the right to criticze any true believer?
As for being lonely, yes, that is true I was lonely the year after my
father died. I missed him so much. Being lonely is no crime and
grieving is only natural. I hope that your children will honor you
that way. But time is a great healer, and fortunately for me I now
have a wonderful man in my life who gives me endless love just as my
father did. Praise the Lord Buddha... and praising and thanking the
DaiGohonzon with my whole heart.
Reunification is anachronism. Transformation is what is called for and
that has already happened with the Hokkeko. Contrary to what you think
the Hokkeko is a large vibrant organization in strong itai doshin with
the priesthood. Why don't you join it and find out.
Wiley bad
Already did, with this evening's gongyo.
How about you?
Wiley
Wiley bad
> gert stoned" and you know it.
Cody>>
You could fool me, Cody. You spread venom here, but that's not enough. Now you
come to the aol boards as well, and pretty much immediately get called by the
monitors over there for bad behavior as well.
Can you say, "obsessed"?
Wiley
C
December 1, 2000 Soka Gakkai World Tribune
"The Victorious Future of Mentor and Disciple"
By Daisaku Ikeda
>>
I can see
Those who are like demons
Milling around what,
Unbeknownst to them,
Is only an execution block.
They trample
The noble spirit
Of the Daishonin
And have become
Pitiful robbers of the Law.
Like a rapacious swarm of locusts,
Nikken and his cronies
Have exploited and persecuted
And even plotted to destroy
The Soka Gakkai,
An organization of the highest good
That has made unprecedented contributions
To spreading the Law
And worked so hard
To support and protect the priesthood.
Their evil deeds
Will go down forever in history
And they will be severely judged
According to the law of cause and effect.
This I believe
To be the unwavering position
Of the Daishonin.
It will be just as he states
In the writing "On Persecutions Befalling the Sage":
They "seem to be free from punishment at first,
But eventually they are all doomed to fall"
(The Writings of Nichiren Daishonin, p. 997).
The plots and schemes of High Priest Nikken Abe and his cohorts,
Spinning a web of the most base lies
And vicious slander,
Were designed to bring us down.
Yet
We shone on brightly
Like the morning sun!
We rose boldly to the challenge,
And began our battle!
The Daishonin, too,
Was slandered as an immoral priest,
And his struggles amid persecution
Were beyond description.
Our first president Tsunesaburo Makiguchi
Used to strictly remind us
That in comparison
The persecution we encounter
Is truly small and trivial.
With silent forbearance,
The firm resolve demonstrated by the Buddha
Engraved in our hearts,
We waged an arduous struggle
To overcome
Every imaginable
Haughty and arrogant utterance.
We will not be defeated.
We are fed up
With the clamoring and abusive foolishness
Of these spiritual paupers.
In fact, our mighty, passionate spirit
Only burns all the brighter.
They who are
At times frenzied,
At times coldly silent,
At times filled with excuses,
Will eventually depart this world,
Gasping and trembling in fear.
Backsliders in faith!
Are you satisfied
To lead a life
Trapped in a maze
Of hellish depths?
Slanderers of the Law!
Having corrupted the Daishonin's teachings
And veered from the eternal truth,
Are you prepared
To drift along forever in a state of life
Of agonized defeat?
Traitors!
Having turned your backs
On the Daishonin's golden words,
Are you ready
To be burned in the fires
Of the hell of incessant suffering?
To be imprisoned in a cavern
In the hell of extreme cold?
To be shut off in the darkness
Of misery and strife,
Forever deprived of the sun's light?
mark
dc wrote:
>
> Mark you are unknowingly defacing Nichiren Shoshu. You need to find out
> what Buddhism is really all about and stop focusing on the pissing wars.
>
I'm not a part of the pissing wars. I only call them how I see them,
and to re-unite with SGI would be the biggest mistake ever made. And,
since this doesn't have any chance of happening, then you need to
re-evaluate what you are trying to accomplish.
> Nichiren Shoshu will change with the times that is a main part of Nichiren
> Daishonin's and Nichiren Shoshu teachings.
Nichiren Daishonin revealed the essence and the practice that will lead
people to enlightenment for 10,000 years. It's not going to evolve very
soon thanks to the Treasure of the Priest.
Get with it Dave because it's not going to happen the way you think it
will. You are only forestalling your own happiness by dwelling on your
own petty views which are deluded to start with.
Cody
"Wiley bad" <wile...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20011211230459...@mb-fy.aol.com...
> I do a lot more than "sit on the internet and
> > gert stoned" and you know it.
>
> Cody>>
>
> You could fool me, Cody. You spread venom here, but that's not enough.
Venom? What venom? Quotes please.
> Now you
> come to the aol boards as well, and pretty much immediately get called by
the
> monitors over there for bad behavior as well.
A lie. I merely posted in the wrong folder because I was new to AOL. Since I
found out the rules of the AOL game, Ray hasn't said a thing.
> Can you say, "obsessed"?
> Wiley
Can you say brainwashed cult member?
Cody
I live the life I love and I love the life I live.
-Willie Dixon
To reply by email, change "net" to "com"
jussi
also Karma to have come out the other end and join the original organisation
for Kosenrufu, the Hokkeko, who for hundreds of years had been quietly gone
about their business just "waiting for the time". Now is the time of the
true itai doshin and harmony between Priesthood and layity which is
represented by the relationship of Hokkeko and the Prietshood. For the first
time we are as one with the Priesthood all following the same path. The same
cannot be said of the brief period of mere 50+ years of the Gakkai in the
driving seat which certainly was spectacular in its growth but for what? To
have all its members rise up and go against the Master of the Seat of the
Law? Where is true itai doshin in that? How does that accomplish the intent
of the Buddha?
It is like night and day. You can even hear it in the Daimoku (if you
listen)...the differences are enormous and there is no karma to go back
to....the greatest cause and the greatest effect is to practise as the
Buddha taught with the Priesthood not in a runaway heretical lay sect.
Jussi.
"dc" <rial...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:BdzQ7.1975$g74.24...@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...
> The Daishonin knew very well Kosen Rufu is inevitable in terms of infinity
> > ot "ten thousand years" but was also very aware that nothing is in the
> bag.
> > Otherwise why would he quote the Daijuku Sutra in the RisshoAnkoku Ron:
>
> I read this passage several times. I don't see where he says here - or in
> the Gosho that mentions the certainty of Kosen Rufu - that the jig is up
if
> we don't unite with Father Sensei and compromise True Buddhism in the
> process. Maybe I missed it, point out to me where he states that in this
> Gosho or any other. Reuniting with the SGI Ikeda cult would bring the
> predictions in this Gosho to fruition.
>
> You've never been a member of Hokkeko. Now I understand why. They're not
> good enough for you, are they?
>
> Cody<<<<<<<<<<<<
>
> Your reasoning is warped and twisted. You little suspicious ass.
>
> I'll let cause and effect decide for me which lay organization I am
> connected with. So far, I, as were you, and all the people here, ALL
> related to Nichiren Shoshu Soka Gakkai by Karma, not schismatice fallout.
>
> There is more to things then you are prepared to look at.
>
> David
dc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>It is funny how one's viewpoint changes with the circumstances.
I do
have an email from you stating--write when you feel like it--after my
statement to you that I seemed to be writing too much and would not
continue. Funny that you answered them all and didn't mention that
they were too prolific and/or ask me to stop writing them at the time.
Funny that you stated that you enjoyed our conversations.<<<<<<<<<<<
I did for a while but you suddenly wrote "fuck you" and calling me when i
was working and yelling at me because i didn't respond when you asked me to
dinner at your house. It was out of sync with normal existence. I was
polite and friendly to you but started getting freaky....which i forgive,
but then with your hostility and crazy posts since I began speaking about
reunification what can i say. To me it is surrealism, that you and Michael
and Craig and a few others arte so absorded in an imaginary view of Buddhism
that you have so much hate of Gakkai members that you are all basically
excluding them from Kosen Rufu.
>>>>>>>Too funny.
You trash your friendships with Cody and myself and others because we
don't agree with you about reunification and then try to defame us
which is one of the ten evil acts--<<<<<<<<<<<<
Bullshit. Itai Doshin and reunification is the one thing that can defeat
the ten evil acts. You guys are so shallow and dogmatic youy have no idea.
You are being pompous and fake and turning buddhism into cardboardism.
>>>>>>>>>>but your new friends should know
that you have no idea about loyalty especially not to the Nichiren
Shoshu and would do the same thing to them if they dared to disagree.
You are a bully and a tyrant who goes through friends like toilet
paper and then trashes them later.<<<<<<
You better go back and review the posts from yourself and Michael and Craig
regarding Itai Doshin, those aimed at me, Mercia, Karyn etc.
And then review what I had said. better go review. I felt stalked by you.
After long work day i found myself getting yelled at over the phone from
someone I hardly knew. No I do not need that in my life. I was polite to
you I idnt need some emotional nuttiness in my life. Call it trashing
frineds if you like....but lets go review some of the posts regarding lice
etc. Forget it Una you guys attack and think you are all so pious, no it
is sad that there can be buddhists that are so misguided tht they hang onto
shallowness.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>You have to make others look bad
and blame them because you can't face your own karma.
You will probably never sit before the DaiGohonzon again so what gives
you the right to criticze any true believer?<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
You imagine in your ridiculous mind, that wishing to reunite Nichiren Shoshu
and the Gakkai is my rejection of Nichiren Shoshu and the Dai Gohonzon. No
it is rejection of madness and fanaticism which is destroying the world.
You have Taliban consciousness and you claim to be a Buddhist. There is no
growth from Hokkeko because many of you left the Gakkai not because of faith
in Nichiren Shoshu, but due to emotional issues you already had and you used
the schism as a way to show your hatred of the Gakkai.
Doesn't matter how many times YOU see the Dai Gohonzon and pretend to be
pious, when you continue to hold onto slander in your heart and lie to
yourself you can only block your progress and the progress of Nichiren
Shoshu.
The line that you and other Hokkeko use on ARBN is incredibly ignorant and
totally without a hint of wisdom. With reps like you, Buddhism would fade.
Dogmatic nutcases accomplish nothing, and reflects poorly on Nichiren Shoshu
and the objectives of True Buddhism.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>As for being lonely, yes, that is true I was lonely the year
after my
father died. I missed him so much. Being lonely is no crime and
grieving is only natural. I hope that your children will honor you
that way. But time is a great healer, and fortunately for me I now
have a wonderful man in my life who gives me endless love just as my
father did. Praise the Lord Buddha... and praising and thanking the
DaiGohonzon with my whole heart.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Congratulations.
>>>>>>>>>>>>Reunification is anachronism. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
No, fanatic nutcase buddhism, whether from Hokkeko or Gakkai is the
anachronism. You will all just have to grow up and recognize what Buddhism
is.
>>>>>>>>>>>Transformation is what is called for and
that has already happened with the Hokkeko. Contrary to what you think
the Hokkeko is a large vibrant organization in strong itai doshin with
the priesthood. Why don't you join it and find out>>>>>>>>>>
Give me a break. Hokkeko is totally stiffled by people like you who are
focusing on hatred and dogma rather then buddhism. The same feature of
fanaticism exists in the gakkai---it is a vocal minority of nuts--- If you
had even the slightest grasp of Buddhism you would seek out reunifiction
between the Gakkai and Nichiren Shoshu as well. It is the cause and
continuation of the schism, done by dogma nuts, that has to stop. If the
crap continues you will all destroy buddhism.
No una the tyrant is your mind of arrogance and pathos.
david
dc
also Karma to have come out the other end and join the original organisation
for Kosenrufu, the Hokkeko,<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
The Karma of all of us being born together and appearing in the Gakkai at
the alter of Nichiren Shoshu happened by the deepest karma within nature and
without our own mind decidding right or wrong. After the schism people do
things based on their ego or thiewr faith. many made decisions from ego not
from faith. There are equally as sincere gakkai as there are hokkeko,
whatever shallow shcismatic talk belived from fanatics has no bearing on
people who have real faith--no matter whihc side they appear to be on.
<<<<<<<<<<<< who for hundreds of years had been quietly gone
about their business just "waiting for the time". Now is the time of the
true itai doshin and harmony between Priesthood and layity which is
represented by the relationship of Hokkeko and the Prietshood. <<<<<<<<<<<<<
You are deluding yourself on this. In trueht this is currently the time of
tremendous disunity, corruption of Buddhism and the possible destruction of
all activities for Kosen rufu.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>For the first
time we are as one with the Priesthood all following the same path. The same
cannot be said of the brief period of mere 50+ years of the Gakkai in the
driving seat which certainly was spectacular in its growth but for what? To
have all its members rise up and go against the Master of the Seat of the
Law? Where is true itai doshin in that? How does that accomplish the intent
of the Buddha?<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
All the members of ther Gakkai did not "rise up" and go against the Master
of the Seat of the Law. The schims is due to actions of small groups of
people. The position of Master of the Seat oif the Law is a formality not a
badge og enlightenment. Certainly High Priest Nikken Shonin is aware of
that.
Regardless of "correctness" of dogma, no growth will occur in Buddhism when
people center on formality alone and carboards ideas of dogma.
>>>>>>>>>>>It is like night and day. You can even hear it in the Daimoku (if
you
listen)...>>>>>>>>
Perhaps Hokkeko chant well in your area. But i have to say that when I go
to my temple I see people milling about, getting up as soon as gongyo is
done to avboid chanting, people spending their whole gongypo in line for the
incense burner and people going outside to smoke. People looking around,
and ramplant disunity during Daimoku forcing the priests to have to shout
into the microphone. This coupled with a gaudy piece of hanging dragon
chandelier gunk, blocking the Gohonzon, shows me that people have tuned out
to reality. In their madness they imagine that people will actually join
them in this condition? Forget it. It has to cahnge or else! The spirit
of Buddhism has been crippled by nutcases and sincere people hanging on
identifying with these nutcases have warped everything to the point of
actually endangering the future of Buddhism entirely. People who cannot see
this are blind and ignoring the signs and portents in the real world which
is a direct reflection of the disunity in the buddhist realm.
David
dc
>>>I'm not a part of the pissing wars. I only call them how I see them,
and to re-unite with SGI would be the biggest mistake ever made. And,
since this doesn't have any chance of happening, then you need to
re-evaluate what you are trying to accomplish.>>>>
Can't you see how sillyu and arrogant it is to second guess reality?
When yoiu first came into contact with the Daishonin's buddhism it came to
you and you ended up practicing without any understanding you did this out
of faith. Now you are passed thart faith and are second guessing what is
true and false, using youer mind. buddhism is far deeper then temporary
appearance ---yet you make pronouncements that "reunification will never
happen"
Well Here is a pronouncment for you. If it does not happen then it is dead
for this current time period and the shell of buddhism will be the abode of
demons. that time is neary here now. Real Nichiren buddhists would reunite
immedaitely.
David
Hanlen1
on hatred and dogma rather then buddhism. >>
I am not a Hokkeko member, so this is obviously not a broad based view, but I
do know a few of the folks who are active in the Hokkeko in the Los Angeles
area, at leadership levels. They are quite calm and reasonable folks, and the
last thing I would think of them is that they are focused on "hatred and dogma"
to any unreasonable extent.
It's true that these folks, friends, are convinced and content with Nichiren
Shoshu doctrine and dogma, and I don't agree with much of that, but they aren't
fanatics or nutcases or control freaks, as far as I can see. Just nice folks
practicing as they choose.
Seems like a lot of this is emotionalism, rather than objective discussion. I
think the problem is exactly that, and when we can surmount it, we'll all be
better off. A little tolerance and mutual respect goes a long way, and it
starts with each one of us. Who cares what either side's leadership says?
They weren't elected by any of us.
I agree that reunification as a single organization again is unrealistic, and
that the two groups are too different, now, but that does not preclude
tolerance, respect, and peaceful coexistence.
Or friendship.
Andy Hanlen
jussi
time of
> tremendous disunity, corruption of Buddhism and the possible destruction
of
> all activities for Kosen rufu."
this is only true about the Gakkai IMHO
dc:"The schims is due to actions of small groups of
> people. The position of Master of the Seat oif the Law is a formality not
a
> badge og enlightenment. Certainly High Priest Nikken Shonin is aware of
> that."
Firstly this shows me how little you appear to think the postion and the
role of the High Priest means. Secondly this "schism" is not just a few
individuals...millions of Gakkai members around the world signed petitions
demanding that the High Priest step down.
The position of the High Priest is not just a formality as you put it but
the cornerstone of our faith. Without Kechimyaku there would be no True
Buddhism left for you to complain about.
And people are not centering on formality but faith. This faith includes
absolute faith in the heritage and the succession. It is not about
ceremonies etc alone which you appear to think it is...
dc:"when I go
> to my temple I see people milling about, getting up as soon as gongyo is
> done to avboid chanting, people spending their whole gongypo in line for
the
> incense burner and people going outside to smoke. People looking around,
> and ramplant disunity during Daimoku forcing the priests to have to shout
> into the microphone."
I cannot comment on the US believers as I have not attended a Temple in the
US but in UK and certainly in Japan this is not the case at all. In fact
when I was in Japan last September all Temples I visited had Shodai every
night and everyone present ctayed the whole course! What truly impressed me
when I left SGI and joined the HOkkeko was the concentration of the members
during Gongyo , Daimoku and the Silent Prayers...the beautiful sound of the
hiki Daimoku...in my experience the Gakkai members sounded like a bunch of
drunken sailors in comparison. But I have to say that yes I have noticed on
Tozan that some US believers do stuff that is disturbing to others such as
frantically rubbing their beads etc...which as far as I am aware is a no no
in Nichiren Shoshu...
.dc: "This coupled with a gaudy piece of hanging dragon
> chandelier gunk, blocking the Gohonzon, shows me that people have tuned
out
> to reality."
I am amazed that a Nichiren Shoshu believer would speak like this...do you
not know the significance of the shower of blessings etc hanging from the
ceiling? It is not mere decoration as in everything in our faith there are
very profound meanings behind them. For me they are wonderful and one reason
I love the "look" of old Temples so much such as Myoren-ji near Taiseki-ji.
You appear to me like a lutheran Buddhist like Mr Ikeda who appears to
idolize Luther so much. In the lutheran church all ornamentation is deemed
superficial and evil...
Jussi.
"dc" <rial...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:vH6S7.7296$FB7.111...@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
C
>> chandelier gunk, blocking the Gohonzon, shows me that people have tuned
>out>> to reality."
>I am amazed that a Nichiren Shoshu believer would speak like this...do you
>not know the significance of the shower of blessings etc hanging from the
>ceiling? It is not mere decoration as in everything in our faith there are
>very profound meanings behind them. For me they are wonderful and one reason
>I love the "look" of old Temples so much such as Myoren-ji near Taiseki-ji.
>You appear to me like a lutheran Buddhist like Mr Ikeda who appears to
>idolize Luther so much. In the lutheran church all ornamentation is deemed
>superficial and evil...
>Jussi.
Dave mentioned that to me when I was in LA a couple of years
ago. When I went to the LA temple and saw what he was referring
to, I was trying to figure out what his complaint was, as it does not
block the Gohonzon in the least. In fact I thought it was awesome.
And you are right about the way Hokkeko chants daimoku as compared
to the machine-gun chatter of the Gakkai.
Regards
Craig
"Members of the group have used arson and a bomb threat against
temples of rival Buddhist groups. Soka Gakkai has also tried to block the
publication of critical books, and it was convicted of wiretapping the
house of the Communist Party leader. A spokesman said the bomb threat
and arson incidents involved "individuals with history of mental illness"
NY Times 11-14-99
"it isn't worth spending a lot of money on spying on the Temple, since
so many people are willing to do it for free"
Chris Holte
Daisaku gave the orders:
"Let us proudly advance on the supreme road to Kosenrufu as we
BRING AN END to the [High Priest] Nikken sect"
WT, March 1, 1993, p. 4
The followers reply to their sensei:
The Soka Gakkai also has begun a campaign of harassment
against the priests. Rumors have been spread that the Taisekiji
Temple grounds are in disarray, with stray dogs wandering
about and robbers lurking in the shadows. Right-wing groups
park their sound trucks outside the temple and blast out their
criticism of the priests..."
Los Angeles Times, 12/16/91
"I know what the group does to people whom it
regards as its enemies. It's not safe for anyone
who dares to criticize it."
TIME - THE POWER OF SOKA GAKKAI
http://pathfinder.com/@@cQhxKQUA1N@02C68/time/international/1995/951120/japan.html
Ms. U witnessed four SGI senior leaders storm Bukkenji Temple.
She attempted to take a photograph of the vehicle that they
had arrived in. The four persons turned their attention on her
and charged her, knocking her into the air. When she hit the
ground, they brutally kicked and assaulted her. She suffered
multiple serious injuries, a broken hip and spinal fractures.
Shukan Jitsuwa 12/02/93
One member of the group of four monks and six followers
said they were verbally abused and punched by local members of
the Singapore Nichiren Shoshu Buddhist Association
(SNSBA) [Soka Gakkai Singapore].
The Straits Times - TUESDAY, JUNE 25, 1991
"They tried to chase us when my sisters
went out. They came to our home to try to harass us. My former
friends told lies to get my phone number. When they called,
they said,‘You will go to hell, you will be unhappy’. Some were
subjected to physical violence. There was an order by Ikeda to
harass members who leave the cult."
Japan’s Rush Hour of The Gods
THE AUSTRALIAN MAGAZINE
http://www.cebunet.com/sgi/rushour.htm
..."a mob of Soka Gakkai members, marched into the Kaishinji temple during a
religious service. Shoving aside worshippers, they seized Yahiro and
Kashiwazaki. I thought I was going to die, recalls Yahiro, an
asthmatic. He almost did. A large man grabbed Yahiro by his necktie and lifted
him off the floor, and others took turns punching him until he passed out."
TIME Magazine November 20, 1995 Volume 146, No. 21
"...several hundred Soka Gakkai members invaded his temple during a
service and beat him so severely that he was hospitalized for three months.
Yahiro's hospitalization in April 1991 brought to light a brewing battle..."
San Francisco Chronicle: - Japan Fears Another Religious Sect
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/1995/12/27/MN62956.DTL
SGI charter:
3.SGI shall respect and protect the freedom of religion and religious
expression.
7.SGI shall, based on the Buddhist spirit of tolerance, respect other
religions...
SOURCE: SGI Homepage
BlueDolphinWeb
that golden item is blocking the gohonzon. lol. Karyn.
>
>
>
>
BlueDolphinWeb
>and
>that the two groups are too different, now, but that does not preclude
>tolerance, respect, and peaceful coexistence.
>
>Or friendship.
>
>Andy Hanlen
>
along with almost all other NSS doctrine. Karyn
>
>
>
>
blackpearlviper
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>It is funny how one's viewpoint changes with the circumstances.
lice because I never said that.!..it was Reggie who said it. I never
said anything at all about anyone having lice. Trust me. You made a
mistake like that about me before re: what you thought Cody had
written, remember.
I am sorry you felt stalked. I know how delicate your psyche is now--I
didn't then, I thought you were a normal guy. I am sorry you have had
a bad time with women and can't handle relationships. I have
apologized before which is more than you have ever done for all your
nasty temper tantrums. Why do you think it okay to post my private
messages to you. Is it okay if I post yours? Why did you not stop our
correspondance with me in a few words. I am not a fool. If someone
says to me--look I feel you are overdoing it, please leave me
alone...I undestand.
I invited you to dinner that one time as I did many people. You said
you would consider and after work you called and said you couldn't
make it. I said I had had dinner already and thought that would be the
case....your feelings and perception don't match the situation and
furthermore you don't know how to talk about them and tell people
where you are at.. There is a reason for that...probabl;y because you
are not honest.
I gave up on you Dave because I knew you weren't interested...be
thankful that I figured that out at least. I knew there was a reason
that you said you went to the wrong movie house when we were going to
meet to see a movie. I felt like a fool being stood up so I got the
message loud and clear, even if we did go see another one later. I
say if someone is bugging you --tell them, don't encourage them in any
way. It is as simple as that. Then you won't have to complain later.
You complain that yourr relationships failed because the women were
bad and you didn't know what was happening.....well, it is never just
one person who is to blame and your ex-es have a very different view
of things too--it is time to wake up out of that dream/fugue state and
find out what is happening around you. You have words. When you can't
talk and let people know your feelings you are actually hurting them.
I am not any more interested in dogma than you. Cody and I both loved
you and looked up to you like a big brother. You turned on us just at
the time you got this idea about reunification.
I am open minded and willing to listen to reason from whatever source
but not when it is combined with insults and whining and
complaining--that is a bas source. Plus you are intractable and
fanatic abboiut this idea. I do think that if reunification were the
be all and end all that pur High Priset would tell us. You don't trust
him though just as you don't trust Cody. myself and the rest of the
Hokkeko.
You really have an opportunity here to grow and I am sure that it will
happen.
Good Luck. Una
> I do
> have an email from you stating--write when you feel like it--after my
> statement to you that I seemed to be writing too much and would not
> continue. Funny that you answered them all and didn't mention that
> they were too prolific and/or ask me to stop writing them at the time.
> Funny that you stated that you enjoyed our conversations.<<<<<<<<<<<
>
> I did for a while but you suddenly wrote "fuck you" and calling me when i
> was working and yelling at me because i didn't respond when you asked me to
> dinner at your house. It was out of sync with normal existence. I was
> polite and friendly to you but started getting freaky....which i forgive,
> but then with your hostility and crazy posts since I began speaking about
> reunification what can i say. To me it is surrealism, that you and Michael
> that you have so much hate of Gakkai members that you are all basically
Hanlen1
Actually, no. That's just why I, personally, would not participate in a
reunification effort, or in the organization if reunification occurred.
I believe that " reunification as a single organization again is unrealistic"
because of the nature of the two groups, and the leadership of them, and, as I
said, that too much has happened to return. Nichiren Shoshu maintains the same
basic doctrinal positions it always has, and part of what led to the split was
the Gakkai's "Soka humanism" which is in conflict with the NSS positions.
Since the split, the Gakkai has abandoned some very core NSS positions,
specifically, the secret or specific transmission and the authority that goes
with it, as expressed in Gohonzon production and authorization. The Gakkai has
also "demystified" its view of the Taiseki-ji Dai Gohonzon, which is a subtle,
but no less meaningful deviation from Nichiren Shoshu orthodoxy.
So, in order for reunification to occur, either the High Priest of Nichiren
Shoshu would have to forgive and accept all of that, which I do not think is
likely any time in the next ten thousand years, or the Gakkai will have to
change it all back, accompanied by profuse and public apologies, re-vowing and
asserting faith in the NSS lineage and priestly authority, Gohonzon exchanges,
etc., which I could see happening about as quickly.
So, regardless of whether or not I, personally, favor reunification, I believe
it is self evident that it will never happen, and wishing this were not the
truth will not change that. I wish anyone who is nuts enough to waste time on
this all the luck in the world.
I have other stupid and impossible things to waste my own time on, which many
here are aware of.
Andy
Reginald Carpenter
1:02am CST+6.
I changed the subject/ title to: Re: "DC" sez Myoho-ji's "gaudy piece
of hanging Dragon chandelier"?!*
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Re: it will all dry up.
Group: alt.religion.buddhism.nichiren
Date: Fri, Dec 14, 2001, 1:02am (CST+6) From: jqpu...@spam.aol.com (C)
>>> "dc" : "This coupled with a gaudy piece of hanging dragon chandelier
gunk, blocking the Gohonzon, shows me that people have tuned
out>> to reality." <--- #1.
1). RC comments: Well, "this coupled with" the little "dc's" - drug
czar's other crazy-ass idea - DC - Delusion & CONfusion in his
crazy-ass "Dave's World" about his so called "Itai Doshin &
Re-Unification," hallucination really "shows me that" David "DC" - Drug
Crazed Cole is the one & only one on Arbn, nka. T-Arbn who has RC -
really completely "tuned out [of] reality"! ROTFL.
Listen Up, FOOL! There is No-thing [Zen] at all blocking the view of
the Gohonzon in any photos** of either the main hall or the reception
hall of the new, NST Myoho-ji temple that was re-located to West
Hollywood, California and offically re-opened there by the 67th High
Priest, Nikken Shonin & Nichiren Shoshu Priesthood & Laity organization,
on May 19th, 1996!
**Reference: Nichiren Shoshu Monthly magazine, June 1996 issue, Vol. 3
No. 6, page #12 - 15 - pictorial.
Furthermore, Stoney (me) just called NST Myoho-ji temple today and
spoke with "someone you should know" to check with "them" about that,
just to confirm for Arbn readers that what YOU are saying/ writing is
really No-thing [Zen] but a d-a-m-ned BIG Lie being told by a d-a-m-ned
BIG LIAR again - Dave "DC" - Devoid of Credibility Cole!
So, the one & only way that any-one could possibly conceive of that
expensive, imported Japanese chandelier being as "DC" wrote & I quote,
"a gaudy piece of hanging dragon chandelier gunk" and "blocking the
Gohonzon" has got to be having a drug "flashback" or hallucination and/
or really be out of his/ their mind, period, you old, ex-YMD - Young
Mentally Deranged, IkedaBot IDIOT! ROTFL.
---------------------------------------------------------------
[Jussi]
>>> I am amazed that a Nichiren Shoshu believer would speak like this...
<--- #2.
2). RC comments: See above #1.
Well, "I am amazed that" you just don't seem to "get it" yet,
"Jussie"! LOL.
Because, ole Stoney (me) has been saying/ telling the truth for years
on Arbn, nka. T-Arbn, re. David/ Dave "DC" - Drug Crazy Cole and the
FACT that he had NEVER really joined Up with the Nichiren Shoshu's
NST/NSH priest & laity organization!
"DC" - Dummy Cole, just like a few others in the entire USA, where we
are so fortunate to even be able to have any NST temples to belong to,
claims that he only joined/ signed Up with NST Myoho-ji to be a so
called "Danto" member - as an INDIVIDUAL, "direct temple believer"!
IOW - although "DC" - Dummy Cole has been facetitiously "preachin' &
teachin' " his own little doctrine & pet "protocol" of "unity" to people
for years on Arbn, he himself only reluctantly & selfishly "joined"/
signed Up to be put in what to him is a strictly INDIVIDUAL category, in
order to be in a kind of a position all along to try to poison all of
the other laity who are trying to practice correctly there, and to try
to sabotage the priest/ laity organization's real unity one day when he
got the opportunity, or was told by some-one in his old so called
Nichiren Shoshu SokaGakkai organization that he's really never left to
do it, like he thinks that even all so called NST/ NSH members are still
supposed to be members of now according to his & their own WARPED minded
views of a "protocol" he calls "unity", Jussie!
"How pitiful, how pitiful!" - Nichiren Daishonin.
Because, Dave "DC"- Drug Crazy Cole has really NEVER stopped
practicing his beloved ole Massa "Sin-say's" A-ISZBF - Al-Ikeda Soka Zen
Bootist FunDaMentalism religion ever since he was really No-thing [Zen]
but a YMD - Young Mentally Deranged, IkedaBot IDIOT; of course NOT!
ROTFL.
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[Jussi]
>>> do you not know the significance of the shower of blessings, etc.
hanging from the ceiling? <--- #3.
3). RC comments: See above #s 1 & 2.
Well personally, although he/ I "like that in you" - your appreciation
& enthusiasm, Stoney (me) wouldn't go as far as all that, to say that
the "Dragon chandelier" which hangs Way Up High in the ceiling of the
main hall of NST Myoho-ji's temple has got "the significance of the
shower of blessings," Jussie!
Un-fortunately, there is just a lot of MISinformation and/ or
MISunderstanding floating around in the NST/NSH membership about
some-things that they've heard of or talked about in the Nichiren Shoshu
religious experience, for one reason or NO reason or other! LOL.
Because, a) "the shower of blessings" phrase that you are talking/
writing about is some-thing that really & truly only applies to the
benefits or "blessings" that are only receivable from you practicing
correctly to & worshipping the Dai-Gohonzon & Gohonzon!
FYI - there is a special word-term for that too:
(Jap.) "Rin-en Gusoku" - "cluster of blessings" (cause) which results in
a "shower of blessings" (effect)! : - )
Well, that's just why, humble Stoney (me) myself is just all "dripping
wet" from the effect of being "showered with blessings" (benefits) by
(the) Gohonzon, all of the time - Day & Night and NIght & Day, and just
can't get "dried off," none of the time; but, I'm NOT complaining about
it! LOL.
As a matter of fact, besides the fact that it's raining in Chicago
right now - this is a true story: once Upon a time," one of my former
chief priests at NST Myogyo-ji temple had to give Stoney (me) some
advice/ "guidance" that he/ I had to LEARN to "just say No - Thank You"
sometimes to some "benefits"! LOL.
But, that's another one of my old "war stories", "Jussie"! LOL.
Anyway, there IS a real true story to that "Dragon chandelier" hanging
in the ceiling of Myoho-ji's temple, as well as to the real
significance(s) of the Dragon in the Oriental culture in general &
Japanese culture in particular, and regarding the Nichiren Shoshu
religion; so, when ever you get "closer, closer" & "warmer, warmer" to
it, ole Stoney (me) just might tell it to you, or might NOT, "Jussie"!
LOL.
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[Jussi]
>>> It is not mere decoration, as in everything in our faith, there are
very profound meanings behind them. <--- #4.
4). RC comments: See above #s 1 - 3.
That is correct, that "it is NOT mere [merely for] decoration"; but, as
I wrote above, the "Dragon chandelier" in question does NOT really have
the "very profound meanings" of the "significance" that you and/ or
other people may be attaching or have attached to it yourselves!
Otherwise, ole Stoney (me) could/ would be worshipping the Dragon
statue that he/ I have for decoration on his (my) own altar, right along
with the Gohonzon & Nichiren Daishonin's statue, of course! : - )
---------------------------------------------------------------
[Jussi]
>>> For me, they are wonderful and one reason I love the "look" of old
Temples so much, such as Myoren-ji near Taiseki-ji. <--- #5.
5). RC comments: See above #s 1 - 4.
OoPps! You just may be "on to some-thing" real, rather than being "ON
some-thing" like DOPE like that Dave "DC" - Dopey & Crazy Cole! LOL.
Because, one reason for certain particular artifacts or works of art
being authorized & approved to be displayed inside ANY Nichiren Shoshu
local temple by the Head Temple, Taiseki-ji, NO matter how "young" (new)
or old it is, is for it to really "look" & feel like it is one - an
official NST - Nichiren Shoshu Temple, instead of possibly looking like
any of the HERETICAL IMPOSTERS' temples of so called Nichiren Buddhism
or being confused with any other kind of an Oriental religion that is
CJK - Chinese, Japanese ot Korean in their origins!
IOW - what I'm saying/ telling you is that the "Dragon chandelier" was
chosen & approved/ authorized to be displayed Way Up High in the ceiling
of the NST Myoho-ji local temple, mainly for that specific reason!
OoPps! Ole Stoney (me) "accidentally" just "spilled the beans" and told
you part of the real, true story behind that very ex-pensive, imported
piece of artwork anyway, "Jussie"! LOL.
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>>> You appear to me [to be] like a Lutheran Buddhist like Mr Ikeda who
appears to idolize [Martin] Luther so much. In the Lutheran church all
ornamentation is deemed superficial and evil... <--- #6.
Jussi.
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6). RC comments: See above #s 1 - 5.
Well, there is really No-thing [Zen] more for Stoney (me) to say,
"Jussie"!
Because, you do seem to finally be "getting it," and "waking Up" to
"smell the coffee" about that very arrogant & ignorant, LYING-ASS, low
life conditioned DUMB-ASS - David/ Dave "DC" - Devoid of Credibility
Cole who has already given an abundant & sufficient amount of Actual
Proof to Arbn readers recently showing us just how PMV - PETTY,
MALICIOUS & VICIOUS that he can really be towards any NST/ NSH members
now, whether they be either his former "friend" (NOT me!) or foe (me),
who has the "audacity" & courage to stand Up to his BULLYing tactics and
just dis-agree with him about ANY-thing that he wants every-body else to
believe & accept like he does from his own BAD habits, now known as
being "the remnants of the previous SGI period of experience"! - 67th
High Priest Nikken Shonin.
"How pitiful, how pitiful!" - Nichiren Daishonin.
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["C"raig]
>>> Dave mentioned that to me when I was in LA a couple of years ago.
When I went to the LA temple and saw what he was referring to, I was
trying to figure out what his complaint was, as it does not block the
Gohonzon in the least. In fact I thought it was awesome. <--- #7.
7). RC comments: See above #s 1 - 6.
Well then, if you had any "balls," instead of kissing his sorry-ass
like you used to do all of the time on Arbn until he finally just made
you stop from doing it any more just recently, you should have just
"pimp slapped that b*tch" right then & there, either all way directly to
the chief priest's office or right out the nearest exit door, until the
LAFD ambulance and/ or LAPD arrived to take his arrogant & ignorant,
LYING-ASS very low life conditioned DUMB-ASS away, right away, to the
nearest drug rehab, mental health, or trauma unit facility, preferably
one that is "all in one" combined, "C"raig dat Brat-cher! ROTFL.
Do you want to know just how much that so called "gaudy piece of
hanging Dragon chandelier", as "DC" - Dummy Cole calls it, RC - really
costs & how valuable it really is today, FOOL?!
Answer - Well, so do I; but, at least, ole "Stoney knows" this: that it
costs and is worth a whole lot more than either one of you two (2) peas
in a pod and both of your very sorry-asses are worth put together and
multiplied by a thousand ($1,000.00), "C"raig dat Brat-cher! ROTFL.
BJW - Buddhist Jihad War. } : < { 0
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["C"]
And you are right about the way Hokkeko chants Daimoku as compared to
the machine-gun chatter of the Gakkai.
Regards
Craig
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<<< Stone Eagle >>>
Airborne in Cyberspace*
blackpearlviper
Dear Andy:
I wish it were as simple as all that. This cause of reunification is
all consuming and it does preclude friendships for those who are
involved-- the personal life is dead.
As for myself-- I am grateful that in this country one can practice
peacefully with the temple...that is a real benefit whether we realize
it fully or not. After watching the Bin Laden tapes last night I must
say that fanaticism in any form is most frightening and in the
Hokkeko, even though we are all still learning to practice correctly,
people like myself want to avoid fanaticism and dogmatism. I follow my
Chief Priest and respect his guidance on all things..that is not being
dogmatic. I revere the High Priest and listen to what he says about
the Soka Gakkai. If I didn't want to listen to and follow the priest
as the Daishonin suggests in Letter to Niike then I might as well join
the Gakkai.
In any case the Gakkai has less and less appeal as a humanitarian
organization. Doctors Without Borders has more cachet. I feel that
there are many many humanitarian organizations which do good work and
which are widely recognized as doing such, especially with poor
children. In over 25 years in this country the works of the Gakkai are
not well known in spite of having a large membership. IMHO you can't
expect anyone to chant when they are starving and don't have the
basics to sustain themselves. So in everyday life we are committed to
improving society in our jobs, and we love to work. The Hokkeko are
not lazy in my experience of them.The Hokkeko realize that all affairs
of life are Buddhism. They reserve a special place for their practice
but don't feel the need to overlay the organization with political
problems which then would have the tendency to distract them from the
observances of this sect such as the Oeshiki Ceremony or the monthy
Oko both of which have a profund far-reaching and homeopathic effect
on their lives and their surroundings.
In so many respects the simple lifestyle of the priest is more
appealing and appropriate to Buddhism than the laviishness and
secularity of Gakkai life. The Gakkai live too large, their benefits
are too conspicuous when in the Latter Day of the Law the real benefit
is inconspicuous. The history of Western religion --the power struggle
between Popes and Kings underpinning the wars of the Middle Ages are a
cautionary tale about the separation of church and state. Yet all over
the world in Islamic countries a similar battle is being fought today.
The Gakkai are complicit in this prevailing trend hoping to resurrect
the religious state in Japan through the New Komeito party. But what
would that be like? Would anyone who didn't want to practice Soka
Buddhism have any opportunity? Would it be any different from Iran?
The hegemonic practices and nepotism would be horrendous. A cult of
subservient members would be cultivated. One would have to work their
way up through the ranks just to be successful in business and daily
life.
Andy, I think your assessment of the situation between the Gakkai and
the NST in your post to Karyn is very astute and clear. Naive idealism
won't bring about change overnight, in fact, it is an obstacle to
understanding the harsh realities that need to be confronted.
Smiley faces won't get you anywhere with a starving drug addict on the
streets of NYC...people of incorrigible disbelief are the same. They
will take your voice and then they will take your life. Words have
limited power and sincerity can be a double-edged sword. What matters
most is having even a little faith in Nam Myoho Renge Kyo and the
power of the Gohonzon--not in the power of individuals.
Many thanks for your post.
jussi
Just one minor thing...
I was actually given an explanation on the "ornaments" in Japan by a Priest
who told me it was called "the shower of blessings"...furthermore he
explained that it was above the Chief Priest's seat as the Priest would be
preaching the Sutra there and the heavens would be celebrating and raining
down flowers and music would fill the air (the bells at the end bits) just
as described in the Lotus Sutra...of course I don't mean this literally but
this is the symbollism of the shower of blessings...i.e. we are not speaking
of the same "shower" Chief! But as often is the case the explanation might
vary depending on who you are talking to...In any case these beautiful items
make a Temple feel even more like the place where the Law is taught because
of the significance attached to them. I don't know what significance the
other sects place on them as they have something similar too.
Thanks for your reply in any case.
Jussi.( pronounced You See)
"Reginald Carpenter" <chiefst...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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blackpearlviper
> >.dc: "This coupled with a gaudy piece of hanging dragon
> >> chandelier gunk, blocking the Gohonzon, shows me that people have tuned
> >out>> to reality."
>
The temple in LA is a wonderful place, and I am sure the officers of
the Hokkeko and the members there will be interested in Dave's
comments about them.
BPV
blackpearlviper
> A quickie for "C"raigey from Stoney. Re. "C" posting on 12/14/01,
> 1:02am CST+6.
>
> I changed the subject/ title to: Re: "DC" sez Myoho-ji's "gaudy piece
> of hanging Dragon chandelier"?!*
> ******************************************************
> Re: it will all dry up.
>
> Group: alt.religion.buddhism.nichiren
> Date: Fri, Dec 14, 2001, 1:02am (CST+6) From: jqpu...@spam.aol.com (C)
>
>
> >>> "dc" : "This coupled with a gaudy piece of hanging dragon chandelier
> gunk, blocking the Gohonzon, shows me that people have tuned
> out>> to reality." <--- #1.
>
>
occur to you or anyone that Myohoji Temple is the head temple for
North America and more which gives it a special significance? It is
true that only certain temples have this special covering and thank
goodness for that. I alawys feel quite protected when near that
canopy and like Jussi I remember Myorenji's too. As for making
offerings of incense--this is a very important part of out practice to
repay debts of gratitude to the deceased. I notice that all the
temples had made a special toba for the victims of the World Trade
Disaster as well.
BPV
Reginald Carpenter
12:04am (CST+6).
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Group: alt.religion.buddhism.nichiren
Date: Sat, Dec 15, 2001, 12:04am (CST+6) From: hokkeko...@yahoo.com
(jussi)
>>> Stoney thanks for your detailed reply! <---- #1.
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1). RC comments: You're welcome sir Jussi, and thanks a lot for yours,
too! : - )
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[Jussi]
>>> Just one minor thing... <--- #2.
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2). RC: RC - Really Confucius say(s) "Ah, No! This really NOT a "minor
thing" as the rest of your message dis-closes, sir Jussi"! LOL.
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[Jussi]
>>> I was actually given an explanation on the "ornaments" in Japan by a
Priest who told me it was called "the shower of blessings"... <--- #3.
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3). RC: See above #2.
"Uh, oh"! "Now, you tell me," that "just one minor thing"; so, I know
I'm in trouble now - I'm going to "get soaked" or "take a bath" on this
one! LOL.
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[Jussi]
>>> Furthermore, he explained that it was above the Chief Priest's seat
as the Priest would be preaching the Sutra there and the heavens would
be celebrating and raining down flowers and music would fill the air
(the bells at the end bits) just as described in the Lotus Sutra... <---
#4.
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4). RC: See above #3. "Whew"! LOL.
Now Stoney/ I don't have to commit "Hari Kari" today any more, and I
can go and eat my breakfast right after I finish this reply to you!
LOL.
Because, now I know and can visualize exactly the type of so called
"hanging Dragon chandelier" that you're talking about!
But first, re. the subject, still and all, No-thing [Zen] at all like
that is visible from ANY camera angle in any photo of the main hall of
NST Myoho-ji temple, re-located in West Hollywood, California!
So, maybe Dave "DC" - Devoid of Credibility Cole is/ was the only
person inside that whole 600 seat hall to be able to levitate about ten
(10) to twenty (20) feet above everyone else and was attending "Da
Ceremony in Da Air" in his own little "Dave's World of DC - Delusion
CONfusion again, and that's why his view was being blocked by that so
called, as that old "DieHard" IkedaBot IDIOT called it, "gaudy piece of
Dragon chandelier," which he might have even thought was actually
"flying" or "floating" in front of his very own eyes! ROTFL.
So sorry, it's just a "Mission IMpossible" [movies] to tell just how,
what, when & where it is going to happen with an "acid flashback" to a
person like "DC" - Druggie Crazy who has dropped "acid" and other "Stuff
Like That" probably "an innumerable kotis" of times before -- just in
THIS one lifetime of his alone! ROTFL.
Anyway, those are usually, generally speaking, those large "boxey
looking" or large rectangular ornamental fixtures that are affixed, just
as you described, to the ceiling and hang just above, over the chief
priests' seats in the traditional Nichiren Shoshu Temples in Japan.
There is an excellent photo of the beautiful one that used to be hung
way Up high in the ceiling of the previous Dai-Kyakuden/ Grand
Reception main hall, inside the official Taiseki-ji Information booklet
on page #s 22-23 which is/ was a very modern looking one - made all
gold metal & glass crystal with long hanging glass crystal strands,
compared to the really old ones at Taiseki-ji, such as inside of the
Miedo temple, and the outlying temples that I've seen made from only
metal(s) & wood that are really NOT electrical fixtures -- they don't
light Up!
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[Jussi]
>>> of course, I don't mean this literally, but this is the symbolism of
the shower of blessings... <--- #5.
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5). RC: See above #s 3 & 4.
"Sho' You Right"! - Barry White. LOL.
Because, THAT is just the symbolism of the environmental & physical
kind of "shower of blessings" phenomena that is described right in the
"Jigage" part of the "Juryohon" (16th) chapter of the Lotus Sutra, of
course!
But before, due to that very derogatory DUMB-ASS mess-age made by the
"DC" - Dummy (trying to) CONfuse-us about a "Dragon chandelier" which
isn't even visible in any photos shot with a wide-angled lense and your
brief description using that same name of it, then what Stoney/ I just
did not understand from your message is that you are/ were referring to
what he/ I was explained or taught by another Nichiren Shoshu priest,
probably" a long, long time ago," is a hanging apparatus/ ceiling
fixture or a "chandelier" that is simply called in Japanese,
"U-Mandara-Ke"! : - )
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[Jussi]
>>> i.e. we are not speaking of the same "shower," Chief! <--- #6.
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6). RC: See above #s 3 - 5.
"Sho' You Right," again; because, while you were only "speaking of the
.. shower," ole Stoney (me) was really thinking & speaking/ writing
about the water "shower head" - Gohonzon, the source of where all of
those "shower" water - benefits/ blessings come from first, sir Jussi!
LOL.
Because, now you already know what Stoney/ I was thinking & writing
about before -- (Jap.) "Rin-en Gusoku" - the "cluster of blessings" -
Dai-Gohonzon/ Gohonzon Itself, instead of "U-Mandara-Ke" - "the shower
of blessings" that results from being produced by the source of all
benefits/ blessings, the Gohonzon, of course!
So sorry, for the MIScommunication & MISunderstanding -- Stoney (me)
just believes in "taking first things first", sir Jussi! LOL.
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[Jussi]
>>> But as often is the case the explanation might vary, depending on
who you are talking to... <--- #7.
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7). RC: See above #s 2 - 6.
"Sho' You Right" again about that; but, not only may "the explanation
might vary, depending on who you are talking to," as shown above, it
will definitely vary, depending on which language you are listening to
them talking to you, too! LOL.
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[Jussi]
>>> In any case these beautiful items make a Temple feel even more like
the place where the Law is taught because of the significance attached
to them. <--- #8.
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8). RC: See above #s 3 - 7.
That's just what Stoney/ I was talking/ writing about in his/ my
message before -- to make a temple both look & feel to a believer/
member or even a visitor like it is really an official NST - Nichiren
Shoshu Temple, instead of It looking like a HERETICAL so called Nichiren
Buddhist temple or some other sect of Eastern or Oriental religion,
that's either in Buddhism or non-Buddhism!
It's just too bad & so sad that we have people like Dave "DC" - Drug
Crazed Cole hanging around, who claim to be Nichiren Shoshu believers/
members, but who do NOT really act like it and really appreciate the
significance of having a local temple to attend, for us be able to hang
a chandelier or whatever in it and its significance, in the first place!
"How pitiful, how pitiful!" - Nichiren Daishonin.
WorldPeace! } : < { 0
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I don't know what significance the other sects place on them as they
have something similar too. Thanks for your reply in any case.
Jussi. (pronounced You See)
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A quickie for "C"raigey from Stoney. Re. "C" posting on 12/14/01, 1:02am
CST+6.
I changed the subject/ title to: Re: "DC" sez Myoho-ji's "gaudy piece of
hanging Dragon chandelier"?!*
******************************************************
Re: it will all dry up.
Group: alt.religion.buddhism.nichiren
Date: Fri, Dec 14, 2001, 1:02am (CST+6) From: jqpu...@spam.aol.com (C)
"dc" : "This coupled with a gaudy piece of hanging dragon chandelier
gunk, blocking the Gohonzon, shows me that people have tuned out>> to
reality." <--- #1.
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4). RC comments: See above #s 1 - 3.
That is correct, that "it is NOT mere [merely for] decoration"; but,
as I wrote above, the "Dragon chandelier" in question does NOT really
have the "very profound meanings" of the "significance" that you and/ or
other people may be attaching or have attached to it yourselves!
Otherwise, ole Stoney (me) could/ would be worshipping the
Dragon statue that he/ I have for decoration on his (my) own altar,
right along with the Gohonzon & Nichiren Daishonin's statue, of course!
: - )
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[Jussi]
For me, they are wonderful and one reason I love the "look" of old
Temples so much, such as Myoren-ji near Taiseki-ji. <--- #5.
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jussi
cheering us up on this one..eventhough ofcourse you were correct on what you
stated here!
Jussi.news:19527-3C...@storefull-113.iap.bryant.webtv.net...
Mr T
"jussi" <hokkeko...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Why thank you Mr Carpenter! You really made me laugh...so thanks for
> cheering us up on this one..eventhough ofcourse you were correct on what you
> stated here!
> Jussi.
I (probably thankfully) missed this whole thread.
It's a beautiful canopy that was donated to our temple.
--
Kurt
greengables
basic doctrinal positions it always has, and part of what led to the split was
the Gakkai's "Soka humanism" which is in conflict with the NSS positions.
Since the split, the Gakkai has abandoned some very core NSS positions,
specifically, the secret or specific transmission and the authority that goes
with it, as expressed in Gohonzon production and authorization. The Gakkai has
also "demystified" its view of the Taiseki-ji Dai Gohonzon, which is a subtle,
but no less meaningful deviation from Nichiren Shoshu orthodoxy.
So, in order for reunification to occur, either the High Priest of Nichiren
Shoshu would have to forgive and accept all of that, which I do not think is
likely any time in the next ten thousand years, or the Gakkai will have to
change it all back, accompanied by profuse and public apologies, re-vowing and
asserting faith in the NSS lineage and priestly authority, Gohonzon exchanges,
etc., which I could see happening about as quickly.
So, regardless of whether or not I, personally, favor reunification, I believe
it is self evident that it will never happen, and wishing this were not the
truth will not change that. I wish anyone who is nuts enough to waste time on
this all the luck in the world.
I have other stupid and impossible things to waste my own time on, which many
here are aware of.
Andy
>>
Not to mention that the Soka Gakkai were all individually excommunicated from
the DaiGohonzon in 1997....It would take a great act of repentance for them
ever to be readmitted as members at all, nevermind as an organization. The
current Hokkeko would never put up with it. Besides the Law of cause and effect
is very strict and we cannot wish it to be otherwise. This is not Christianity
after all where all faith is put into dreams and wishes. This is the reality of
Buddhism and Nichiren Daishonin clearly states that slander is most fearful in
many gosho through many examples.
If all of the SGI want to reunite they have only to cast down the banners of
their arrogance en masse and appear humbly before the priest who teaches the
Law and receive kan kai ceremony. Then they will be able to worship the
DaiGohonzon and receive the merit of that act.
greenie
dc
way Up high in the ceiling of the previous Dai-Kyakuden/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Myohoji is a funky old auditorium. The ceiling from which decorative Chinese
style rubble hangs is too low for this long hanging thing. From many seats,
it blocks the gohonzon as do the candlestick. It looks totally
inappropriate in that room. the main wall and the butsudan looks great, why
ruin it with this strange old chinese style raining down of glitter? It
doesn't fit at all. If an new member comes in a sees that he will either
think it is gaudy, or he will think it is normal and not learn a basic of
propagating buddhism in mappo. I do not blame anyone for this kind of
thing. But I am painfully aware at the incompetance of the people in both
the gakkai and hokkeko for not protecting the priesthood in the correct way.
What ever the symbolism of the gaudy piece as intended in Japanese culture
it has no relationship to the ceremony in the air in real life in this
country, nor does it show any wisdom to hang it in such a way that the
gohonzon is blocked.
furthermore, though you may all think i am terrible for saying this, I would
bet that you will reevaluate and realize that what what i am saying it
pitifully true. No amount of criticism is too much when it concerns
stagnation and waring buddhist tribes. It is pathetic.
So to all those on ARBN who like gaudy hanging stuf in fron of the gohonzon
and think it is pretty, then I suggest you take another look.
get it out of their it is obscene
David
C
>> chandelier gunk, blocking the Gohonzon, shows me that people have tuned
>out>> to reality."
>I am amazed that a Nichiren Shoshu believer would speak like this...do you
>not know the significance of the shower of blessings etc hanging from the
>ceiling? It is not mere decoration as in everything in our faith there are
>very profound meanings behind them. For me they are wonderful and one reason
>I love the "look" of old Temples so much such as Myoren-ji near Taiseki-ji.
>You appear to me like a lutheran Buddhist like Mr Ikeda who appears to
>idolize Luther so much. In the lutheran church all ornamentation is deemed
>superficial and evil...
>Jussi.
Dave mentioned that to me when I was in LA a couple of years
ago. When I went to the LA temple and saw what he was referring
to, I was trying to figure out what his complaint was, as it does not
block the Gohonzon in the least. In fact I thought it was awesome.
And you are right about the way Hokkeko chants daimoku as compared
to the machine-gun chatter of the Gakkai.
Regards
Craig
"Members of the group have used arson and a bomb threat against
http://pathfinder.com/@@cQhxKQUA1N@02C68/time/international/1995/951120/japan.html
they said,‘You will go to hell, you will be unhappy’. Some were
blackpearlviper
Since I normally sit at the front I don't have the problem of an
obstructed view, but that may be a legitimate complaint if it does
obstruct from the back. Although I can't say that when I did sit at
the back I found it a hindrance The significance of the hanging shower
of blessing is what we have been talking about though and I wonder
whether it would be acceptable if it was better made and hung
correctly. When properly placed it can be very effective as in
Myorenji, as I am sure you have seen it there in the traditonal style
temple where is it appropriate, and by the way has no dragons as far
as I can remember. For those of us who have had some profound
experiences associated with Myorenji it is a reminder, but for a new
person who is only looking at decor I suppose it could be distracting.
The auditorium itself does leave much to be desired. The carpets need
changing as do the seats and the design of the podium doesn't fit with
the house itself. There are a lot of visible problems with this
conversion and reminders of its former usage. However the location is
rather good and I imagine if enough people donated enough money the
entire place could be redesigned splendidly.
Our temple in New York doesn't have such a thing and it is quite a
good place to pray, it was built specifically as a Nichiren Shoshu
Temple, although the location is too far from Manhattan. New York is
the only temple here that is self-sufficient financially and I imagine
that does give them some leverage about how they have things there.
Rev Nagasaka also has a deep sense of style and decorum and an
appreciation of art and architecture which is evident in all the
things that we organize for the temple down to the invitations for the
anniversary celebration this year which were quite impressive and
would dazzle any new comer. In addition, we also have a conversion
space, but generally these ancillary places are well done there too.
I.have thought about the interior of Myohoji on many occasions since
auditoriums interest me, but most of the time it is not my specific
focus when I am there. One is so attracted to the magnificent
Gohonzon...however, if you can't see it I would suggest sitting near
the front next time you go and giving them a big donation. Our temple
gets donations of enormous sums of money from time to time from
anonymous believers--lets hope yours will and that it will help with
renovations.
Cody
Let's see, David doesn't like the hanging rain in the temple. He doesn't
like the priest either because his English isn't good enough (probably
better than David's Japanese, though) and he doesn't like the "type" of
members that attend the LA temple. David doesn't like the High Priest's
decree that the SGI be disbanned. David doesn't like the Hokkeko. It make
you wonder if David likes anything in Nichiren Shoshu or the Hokkeko and it
leads me to believe that if everyone doesn't follow David and believe in his
twisted view of gensoku, gene pools, DNA pools, etc. then everyone isn't a
"True Buddhist".
Cody
Cody
"jussi" <hokkeko...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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This is a photo of Myokoji in Tokyo to show what we are talking about. As
one can see the "ornament" is too high up
to block the view of the Gohonzon when you are sitting down. I am sure the
same goes for the LA Temple.
Looking at what dc is sying now one just has to surmise that he thinks the
Priesthood is lacking in wisdom...
This is getting very sad from someone who has lost it it seems totally now.
What happened to Dave?
Jussi.
"dc" <rial...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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dc
C
>like the priest either because his English isn't good enough (probably
>better than David's Japanese, though) and he doesn't like the "type" of
>members that attend the LA temple. David doesn't like the High Priest's
>decree that the SGI be disbanned. David doesn't like the Hokkeko. It make
>you wonder if David likes anything in Nichiren Shoshu or the Hokkeko and it
>leads me to believe that if everyone doesn't follow David and believe in his
>twisted view of gensoku, gene pools, DNA pools, etc. then everyone isn't a
>"True Buddhist".
>Cody
You know what they say in SGI about how they are
a bunch of potatoes in a bag rubbing against each other...
the Soka spit must be rubbing off on him. The next thing
you know, he'll be protesting the demolition of the ShoHondo
and the lack of chairs in the Hoando
C
"But now in reality, I might have taught him how, and helped find the way
in, but Michael hacked Mary's computer not I."
David Cole, Friend of Soka
"I'm sure you jerk off too."
David Cole
"You see I am a person of integrity, pity for you that you can't stand
next to me, as my light blinds your evil nature"
Mercia Nitzsche
"I think you need a stiff stick inserted deeply into your ass and wiggled
around to break up the congestion in there."
David Cole, Gakkai apologist
"You are a fake, a phoney and a total moron, besides being an abuser
of Nichiren's teachings."
Mercia Netzsche
"call it what you will, as long as my fellow buddhists friend sit with their
thumbs in their asses refusing to toss away their phoney egos then they are
destroying budhism and deserve worse then any insults."
Dave Cole
"To degenerate other people's activities, commitments,
or sincerity is not only extremely base, but equally
cruel. It is not a good quality to have and even worse
to manifest publicly. The Daishonin describes it in
the following words 'one evil act wipes away a
person's entire good fortune'."
Mercia Nitzsche
"I may wear different hats, but I unsult no one."
Mercia Netzsche
"From when we first met on the NSS Forum, I tell you the one person
who really has opened my eyes to the Buddha Dharma has been Bruce [Maltz].
He has an excellent insight into the Lotus Sutra."
Mercia Nitzsche
BlueDolphinWeb
probably should do something about it. I would imagine that they would want to
know if some people couldn't see the gohonzon because of this. Maybe no one
has mentioned it to them, so they don't know that it's a problem.
Karyn
blackpearlviper
Oh it is not all that bad. After all ugly sees ugly. Perhaps you
should renovate your own perception. All you are capable of is whining
and complaining. What a drag it is to see you.
The Hokekko are not a " bunch of pious wimps who only think of magic
presents from tozan visits" at all. Perhaps if you tried to get to
know them and go on tozan with them you would see what a challenge it
is to even go in terms of one's faith and practice. When one gets
there it is to worship and because one has been called and has things
to report. I certainly have other calls on my time and could easily
have enjoyed a trip to India rather than go on tozan, but this year
and next are very special. And when it comes to tozan I have no
choice, I rely on the Law.
You are like the picture of Envy from the seven deadly sins--mawing
its own claw. The benefit in the Latter Day of the Law is
inconspicious in case you don't know --that means YOU can't see it.
And it is sheer arrogance to speak of temporary conspicuous
gains....that would include your statistics on how kosen rufu is
doing.
If you want Myohoji to look better give them some money..the fairies
don't built and run temples magically, neither can the priesthood. A
temple needs people to support it longterm. And I would suggest to you
that if you don't support it financially or in any other way then who
are you to complain about what it looks like. As a casual visitor you
don't support that temple at all-- so you can hardly be a direct
temple member.
Currently Myosenji Temple requires donations to fix their
driveway..that will not happen by chance either. These are concrete (
excuse the pun) things that must be done and it takes support. People
who just go to the temple selfishly looking for benefits but don't
offer anything to the Buddha or serve the Buddha don't aquire much
merit.IMHO You may have paid your dues in the Gakkai but for every
year there you owe one to the NST to erase that karma.
blackpearlviper
> thing----no propagation will happen with a bunch of pious wimps who only
> think of magic presents from Tozan visits.
>
> dc
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BTW--if you are going to use the word ALTAR constantly in reference to
the Nichiren Shoshu then please be kind enough to spell it correctly.
The word is altar not alter. "Alter" means to change things and it is
a freudian slip on your part. But I am afraid you will never alter the
Nichiren Shoshu or Nichiren Daishonin. There is no alternative for the
Nichiren Shoshu and no such thing as the altar of Nichiren shoshu. One
fuses one's life with the Gohonzon--an altar is a Christian term for
the communion table, a flat topped block for offerings to a
deity...chack your dictionary. If you are going to try to alter the
principles of Nichiren Shoshu, using Christian terms for your abstract
ideas steeped in Hindu and Christian thinking is a bit lame. It is
also quite telling about the provincialism that is at the heart of the
cause of reunification. Yes that's right...anti-Japanese, pro-American
statemenst have no place in this practice. Nichiren daishonin explains
very well the special connection that Japan has with the Lotus Sutra
and about the karma of different countries. We honor his nationality
and the country that gave us Buddhism by using some Japanese things in
our very Western style temples in North America. That is a sign of
respect....don't dis it---misfortune comes from the mouth.
C
Well, I was at Myohoji about 2 days after Dave told me
his problem with it all in July 2000, and I can tell you that it
does not block the Gohonzon, and if the candlestick gets in
way, you are free to move your head 2 or 3 inches to
either side to get a better view.
And out of the several hundred people that worship at
Myohoji I'm sure somebody would have said someting
about it if it was a real problem. Luckily, that temple has
one of the most knowlegable priests in the USA- Rev Takano.
If Dave has a problem with the temple setup, then he should
address the priest about it instead of fretting about it for over a
year and airing his dirty laundry in public.
Craig
"Placing blame on individuals only shifts the problem from identifying causes
and "what happened" to labelling enemies and setting up targets for attack...
One cannot respect persons who have a history of not respecting others."
Chris Holte
"All who have harassed, persecuted and betrayed the Soka gakkai
have all incurred- and will definitely continue to incur- strict retribution."
Daisaku Ikeda, World Tribune Sept. 25, 1998 page 6
"What we really want is a religion like the Nikken Sect! Then, when someone
keeps asking us to cite Gosho to support our beliefs, we can respond by
constructing a malicious website mocking and attacking other religions!
...Improving onesself is hard. Indulging one's hatred and venom is easy."
Jim Celer, SGI midwest Bureau Chief for SGI Living Buddha magazine
"A group striving for the ideas President Ikeda brought
in 1990 is a messy, ugly group, indeed. People acting on their
own volition, and level of understanding, and passion for their
ideals....messy."
mari
"Many of my fellow SGI members have become
anti priest as paid-professional-position,
but we all understand the need for
good scholars and practitioners of the Way."
Chris Holte, SGI-USA member
"We are chanting to defeat the "evil Nikken Sect".
Chris Holte
>So how do you explain these websites created by members of the $oka Ikeda $hu?
Simple, Anger, outrage and sometimes truth.
Chris Holte
"Please enjoy these websites as the actual proof of
Nichiren Daishonin's Buddhism as practiced in SGI."
Steven Sonoda
http://members.aol.com/watchbuddh/sgi-link.htm
http://members.aol.com/domeinews/nichiren-shoshu/reformation/domei.htm
http://members.aol.com/domeinews/nichiren-shoshu/reformation/diaper2.htm
http://members.aol.com/domeinews/nichiren-shoshu/actual-proof/shoten1.htm
http://members.aol.com/kempon/hokkeshu/suicide.htm
http://www.mindspring.com/~sonoda/yamaz.htm
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/susumukt/liar.htm
http://members.aol.com/masataisei/shoshu/ssreal.htm
http://members.aol.com/masataisei/shoshu/seikyo.htm
http://members.aol.com/masataisei/shoshu/cult6.htm
http://members.aol.com/nigelloyd/nichiren-shoshu/highpriest-scandals/9.htm
http://members.aol.com/tomoda97/nikken/heritage.htm
"The greatest personal satisfaction and fulfillment in life is
realized by working for the happiness of others
These values are expressed in the SGI's Charter, which
embodies core beliefs in the ideal of world citizenship, the spirit
of tolerance, and the safeguarding of fundamental human rights."
Source: sgi.org homepage
3.SGI shall respect and protect the freedom of religion and religious
expression.
7.SGI shall, based on the Buddhist spirit of tolerance, respect other
religions...
SOURCE: sgi.org homepage http://www.sgi.org/about/sgi/charter.html
greengables
Well, It's not your problem, it isn't even your religion so why not leave it
alone. I wouldn't think of telling them how to build an Ikeda auditorium for
your religion, the World Nichiren Sect. It isn't any of your business. That is
the height of arrogance and bad manners. Or maybe that butting in is called
manners on your side of the tracks..in everyone's face etiquette from the low
lives of SGI. How rude.
BTW you forgot to attach your smiley face to your rude comments..:)
greenie
Reginald Carpenter
I changed the subject/ title to: Re: "DC"s all dried Up, dead Soma
brain re. Kosen-rufu in 9,873!*
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Re: it will all dry up.
Group: alt.religion.buddhism.nichiren
Date: Sat, Dec 8, 2001, 7:29am (CST+6)
From: rial...@pacbell.net (dc)
>>> Nostalgia is not the truth, David. <--- #1.
1). RC comments: Re. the new subject/ title, Yes, "Nostalgia IS the
truth" for David/ Dave "DC" - Drug Crazed Cole, because of his "all
dried Up, dead Soma brain"-less-ness, Cody! ROTFL.
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>>> I remember reading somewhere that Kosen-Rufu is as sure as you
can't miss the earth as your target with an arrow. <--- #2.
Cody >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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2). RC: See above #1.
"Uh, oh"! I'm afraid that the "DC" - Drug Crazy one must have MISread
your message and thought that you were referring to a place "somewhere
IN Kosen-rufu" that he remembered being before in his own little "Dave's
World" of DC - Delusion & CONfusion after taking a little "Soma dis &
Soma dat" to go there! ROTFL.
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[DC]
>>> Yeah, Michael! In the Year 9873 CE, in excitement, it competes with
slugs racing. <--- #3.
David
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3). RC: See above #s 1 & 2.
See, "yeah Michael" (who dat?)! "I told you so"! ROTFL.
BJW - Buddhist Jihad War. } : < { 0
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my [anti-NaSTy] comments ["Insults are Surrealism"] are Copyright © DC
[Devoid of Credibility!]
David Cole 2001
I am advocating broad SLANDER-OUS and TRAITOR-OUS thinking and open
HERETIC-AL mindedness --- not NST [Nichiren Shoshu Temple] [legal or
prudent] behaviors. Some of this may be considered STUPIDITY!
[RC notes: in brackets & all Caps. LOL.]