I am a "pedophile" for watching CCS?
r...@rgmondo.cjb.net
about anime fans, but said against me is another. When I was holding
the Cardcaptor Sakura DVD in the Suncoast Video anime section
yesterday, a woman said this to her friends:
"I could not believe grown-up men watch that stuff [CCS]? Are they
really pedophiles?"
One of the woman's friends said, "Yeah, they're pedophiles all right.
They can use those DVDs to lure innocent girls and rape them."
Because of what those women said, I am labelled a "pedophile" for
watching CCS. I felt very insulted and angry of what they said, but
dared not try to speak to them. Earlier, I heard another group of women
say that anime is for "sick porno perverts who like to see girls
getting raped."
What horrible things had you heard people say about anime, its fandom,
and even you--the anime fan?
-rgmondo
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Galen Musbach
_Space Cadet_, by Robert Heinlein.
"As it is clear that this court has already reached its judgement,
there is nothing to gained by clouding the issue through the
presentation of facts which none of you intend to consider."
-Me, unpublished work.
Where do you find little girls who watch anime in Japanese
with English subtitles?
The comic book store I patronize had a Hooters go in across the
parking lot; I was initially concerned that it might increase the porn
content in the anime video rental racks, but mostly it just increased
the size of the video rental racks. The store owner/manager tells me
that people often rent children's titles with the hard core anime tapes;
it could be, as was said in thread, that these are seriously sick people,
but I suspect it means that they have families.
-Galen
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BTW, Pedophilia is a psychological affliction, not a crime:
a pedophile is someone who is sexually attracted to children;
a child molestor is someone who commits sexual acts with
children. Pedophilia is established in charges of molestation
as it establishes a motive for the crime, but it is not a crime
in itself. Dodgson (Lewis Caroll) was certainly a pedophile,
but all evidence suggests that he was never a molestor.
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Kyle Thomas Pope
>What horrible things had you heard people say about anime, its fandom,
>and even you--the anime fan?
This has to be attributed to early (and some current) press coverage
of anime. The news media is driven by the sensational and when
phenomena like Pokemon and Sailor Moon attracted press attention they
needed the most lurid angle they could find to draw in the viewers and
readers. For Pokemon it was, of course, the seizure incident. For
the Sailor Moon and the rest of anime it was the sex and violence
angle. Doubtless someone was assigned a puff piece on the growth of
anime in american culture and upon investigation got hold of some
hentai and ran with it. That stigma has adhered to anime ever since
though it has been fading of late. But you can't expect your average
person to keep on top of anime if they have no interest in it.
And you should have answered them back. How did they know you weren't
buying it for your children? Would they have said the same thing if
you were buying a Powerpuff Girls DVD? If someone's going to announce
to every ear in range in a public venue that you are a pedophile, a
devastating thing to be accused of, you really need to take their head
off if they can't substantiate it. You, my friend, have been publicly
slandered and that is civilly actionable.
Kyle
"I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered." - No. 6
Brian Dinnigan
> I had heard many non-anime fans say really untrue and outragous things
> about anime fans, but said against me is another. When I was holding
> the Cardcaptor Sakura DVD in the Suncoast Video anime section
> yesterday, a woman said this to her friends:
>
> "I could not believe grown-up men watch that stuff [CCS]? Are they
> really pedophiles?"
I could not believe that someone could behave in such a rude and boorish
manner? Are they really a bunch of mindless fools?
>
> One of the woman's friends said, "Yeah, they're pedophiles all right.
> They can use those DVDs to lure innocent girls and rape them."
Yeah, they're fools alright. They use their stupid-o powers to lure other
fools to them and procreate.
>
> Because of what those women said, I am labelled a "pedophile" for
> watching CCS. I felt very insulted and angry of what they said, but
> dared not try to speak to them. Earlier, I heard another group of women
> say that anime is for "sick porno perverts who like to see girls
> getting raped."
Remember, they're parrotting this from somewhere, we must ask ourselves,
"from what source?"
>
> What horrible things had you heard people say about anime, its fandom,
> and even you--the anime fan?
Lots of crap. You cannot change the perspective of the terminally clueless,
without some cunning and strategy. Everyone who likes watching animation as
a hobby must fight to ensure that it does not get a bad name [worse than
the one it already has]. Why, you may ask? Well, I've got one word for you:
Furry
It's very simple, if you do not fight to make sure that your hobby is
perceived correctly, you will be viewed as a dangerous/damaged person. You
will be treated differently [negatively], you will have a great big
bullseye painted on your back. A little girl goes missing in your
neighborhood? Well, you watch all of them cartoons, better check you out.
If watching anime becomes viewed in such a negative light, it may become
harder for you to put up websites on free servers [they don't want to be
perceived as fronting for NAMBLA, do they?].
So the best way to fight stupid and false views about your hobby is to
educate your friends, one at a time. Talk casually [CASUALLY- not "...and
in episode 52 he discovers that the Magic Superbluntganga is a narcotic!]
about something "really funny" you saw the other day, or something that
"really made you think". If a friend talks about anime as being porno
whatevers, say "... I dunno, I've seen a few, and they didn't really seem
all that bad to me." Then talk about something "really [insert adj here]"
that you saw the other day. When you pique their curiousity, go ahead and
show them the tape. Slam Dunk is a good show, same with Captain Tylor- just
a couple examples, I'm sure you can think of others. Basically, try to pick
ones that counteract the negative stereotypes. They should contain themes
that your friend likes in other mediums.
If every anime fan does this, slowly the truth will filter down, and fools
like the one's above will talk about "how good anime is" in order to look
good with their friends who've been talking about how great anime is
despite the fact they've never seen a single show.
Your job is to replace ignorance that is dangerous to you [and me] and
replace it with ignorance that is perhaps more supportive of your hobby.
You accomplish this by spreading knowledge amongst your friends.
Brian Dinnigan
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expensive ship this time"- Winston Churchill, on Lord Mountbatten
cryptochrome
That's where snappy comebacks come in handy. Just look them right in the
eye and say "Spoken out of true ignorance" or something good and
condescending to that effect, and ignore them. And be prepared to dish
out more - most people will avoid confrontation, but not all.
If someone is saying something insulting and untrue, then you should let
them know it before they make bigger fools of themselves and not let it
bug you.
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Chika
> about anime fans, but said against me is another. When I was holding
> the Cardcaptor Sakura DVD in the Suncoast Video anime section
> yesterday, a woman said this to her friends:
> "I could not believe grown-up men watch that stuff [CCS]? Are they
> really pedophiles?"
> One of the woman's friends said, "Yeah, they're pedophiles all right.
> They can use those DVDs to lure innocent girls and rape them."
The two questions I would ask of those women are (a) do they actually know
what the content is and (b) would they care to prove their assumption.
> Because of what those women said, I am labelled a "pedophile" for
> watching CCS. I felt very insulted and angry of what they said, but
> dared not try to speak to them. Earlier, I heard another group of women
> say that anime is for "sick porno perverts who like to see girls
> getting raped."
A lot of this has to do with ignorance. Scare stories propagated by
certain parts of the media do not help either.
> What horrible things had you heard people say about anime, its fandom,
> and even you--the anime fan?
Nothing that is worth repeating. What you need to do is ask them what
gratuitous pleasure they gain from watching stuff like Jerry Springer. Now
there's a dubious subject matter...
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sanjian
> about anime fans, but said against me is another. When I was holding
> the Cardcaptor Sakura DVD in the Suncoast Video anime section
> yesterday, a woman said this to her friends:
>
> "I could not believe grown-up men watch that stuff [CCS]? Are they
> really pedophiles?"
>
> One of the woman's friends said, "Yeah, they're pedophiles all right.
> They can use those DVDs to lure innocent girls and rape them."
>
> Because of what those women said, I am labelled a "pedophile" for
> watching CCS. I felt very insulted and angry of what they said, but
> dared not try to speak to them. Earlier, I heard another group of women
> say that anime is for "sick porno perverts who like to see girls
> getting raped."
Correct response: Wow, how have you been? I almost didn't recognize you
without the white hood.
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Matthew Cline
> I had heard many non-anime fans say really untrue and outrageous
> things about anime fans, but said against me is another. When I was
> holding the Cardcaptor Sakura DVD in the Suncoast Video anime
> section yesterday, a woman said this to her friends:
> "I could not believe grown-up men watch that stuff [CCS]? Are they
> really pedophiles?"
Well, if you present certain facts about CCS out of context, it's
rather easy to make it seem like it's for pedophiles:
1) Toyomo has a big (and semi-stalkerish) crush on Sakura.
2) Sakura actually goes out on a few *dates* with Yuki.
3) An elementary school teacher actually *proposes* to a 10 year
old girl (in the manga, at least).
If someone got the "pedophile" opinion because of this, you could
point
out that CCS was made by a group of four women *for* 10 year old
girls.
However, it's possible that in the case of a grown man watching
something like CCS, the thought process is: "Why would *any* adult
watch something like that? After all, it's just for kids. Now, I
could understand if it was something like the X-Men, since a lot of
grown men are just little boys at heart, but little boys would never
watch something like CCS, because that's a *girl's* cartoon; thus, any
grown man who watches CCS must be watching it only because it has
little girls in it." If that's what they're thinking, it's useless
to
try and reason with them.
> One of the woman's friends said, "Yeah, they're pedophiles all
> right. They can use those DVDs to lure innocent girls and rape
> them."
Oh, *man*, what was that lady smoking? Not "Hey, little girl, want
some candy?" but "Hey, little girl, want to watch some subtitled,
uncut CCS? It's a lot better than that butchered Card Captors crud
you've seen on Warner Brothers." Yeesh!
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Calum Wallace
r...@rgmondo.cjb.net was hitting a keyboard with a very large club and it
went:
Our weapon is called Pokemon. Their children squeal about it for hours, it
drives them mental, but try as they might they can't see any malevolent
intent towards anything but their wallets.
I myself have been asked why I watch 'those pervy Japanese cartoons' and
replied 'what are you going on about.'
I was watching Venus Wars at the time. Turns out all the anime the guy had
seen totalled to half a tape of Urotsokidoji. I immediately pointed out his
(illegal in the UK) porn videos and went 'look who's talking'.
You see, people who are that wank need a very big reality implant. You
should have marched up to those two women and told them to phone their
lawyers. If anyone ever gives me shite like that I'm going to walk up to
them and threaten to sue them for libel. Crap like that gets me really
fucking mad. The idea of someone doing shit like that to a little kid like
my half-sister (age 7) makes me wanna puke and if anyone calls me that
they've a six foot tall problem with long hair and a beard upside the head,
IE me. I scare three shades of shit out of people when I get mad and I don't
need to lift a single finger. And if you want to know why I scare people I'm
a biker. People see the long hair, beard and black leather jacket and
immediately put me in the 'don't mess' bracket.
The line 'You should be more careful what you call people. If you'd said
that about one of my mates who watches these you'd be in very big trouble."
is also extremely effective.
Fact is, you just can't go around letting arseholes say stuff like that
about you. They want to bad-mouth someone they've gotta live with getting it
right back in the face. There's a saying - you get back what you put out and
if someone puts stuff like that out at me I'm gonna give it right back in
the most direct way possible.
The Canine One, now turning...
>>>>PURPLE!<<<<
Leaping Larry Jojo
"Galen Musbach" <musb...@xtn.net> wrote:
> BTW, Pedophilia is a psychological affliction, not a crime:
> a pedophile is someone who is sexually attracted to children;
> a child molestor is someone who commits sexual acts with
> children. Pedophilia is established in charges of molestation
> as it establishes a motive for the crime, but it is not a crime
> in itself. Dodgson (Lewis Caroll) was certainly a pedophile,
> but all evidence suggests that he was never a molestor.
"Certainly?" You seem so sure of this with that remark.
Now, I'll grant you this: I did raise an eyebrow when I read that he
often felt more comfortable talking to children than adults, and I
don't think he was ever married, but there doesn't seem to be any
concrete evidence that he was sexually attracted to children. 2+2 in
our minds seems to lead to your conclusion, but y'know, it's not fair
to assume, even with the evidence presented here.
Jojo
Leaping Larry Jojo
That's snappy? I'd say something along the lines of, "How would you
know this unless you've seen them, you dirty woman, you!"
Jojo
Galen Musbach
"Leaping Larry Jojo" <macr...@excite.com> wrote in message
news:967j0q$332$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
Irving, Amy, and Sylvia Wallace; David Wallechinsky,
Page 125, Charles Lutwidge Dodgson, aka Lewis Caroll
"...He became a connoisseur of little girls, preferring them to be
upper-class, fair of face and figure, intelligent, and energetic.
He got along well with all girls up to the age of 10, although he thought
12 year-olds were the most attractive physically. Puberty ruined everything,
and 9 out of 10 of his child friends dissappeared from his life by age 16."
"Carroll was an early amateur photographer, and naturally his best subjects
were little girls. He often posed them in costumes, but his favorite costume
was none at all. Appaerently this hobby of photographing naked
pre-pubescent girls (although always with their mother's permission)
led to some nasty gossip, because in 1880 he suddenly gave up photography."
-Galen
Sailor Naboo
<macr...@excite.com> wrote:
>In article <3a873...@corp.newsfeeds.com>,
> "Galen Musbach" <musb...@xtn.net> wrote:
>
>> BTW, Pedophilia is a psychological affliction, not a crime:
>> a pedophile is someone who is sexually attracted to children;
>> a child molestor is someone who commits sexual acts with
>> children. Pedophilia is established in charges of molestation
>> as it establishes a motive for the crime, but it is not a crime
>> in itself. Dodgson (Lewis Caroll) was certainly a pedophile,
>> but all evidence suggests that he was never a molestor.
>
>"Certainly?" You seem so sure of this with that remark.
>
>Now, I'll grant you this: I did raise an eyebrow when I read that he
>often felt more comfortable talking to children than adults,
It's interesting. A childless woman with the same characteristics
would be considered "normal" because of some unfulfilled 'motherhood"
instinct.
Kyoko
Leaping Larry Jojo
"Galen Musbach" <musb...@xtn.net> wrote:
>
> "Leaping Larry Jojo" <macr...@excite.com> wrote in message
> news:967j0q$332$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> > In article <3a873...@corp.newsfeeds.com>,
> > "Galen Musbach" <musb...@xtn.net> wrote:
> >
> > > BTW, Pedophilia is a psychological affliction, not a crime:
> > > a pedophile is someone who is sexually attracted to children;
> > > a child molestor is someone who commits sexual acts with
> > > children. Pedophilia is established in charges of molestation
> > > as it establishes a motive for the crime, but it is not a crime
> > > in itself. Dodgson (Lewis Caroll) was certainly a pedophile,
> > > but all evidence suggests that he was never a molestor.
> >
> > "Certainly?" You seem so sure of this with that remark.
> >
> > Now, I'll grant you this: I did raise an eyebrow when I read that he
> > often felt more comfortable talking to children than adults, and I
> > don't think he was ever married, but there doesn't seem to be any
> > concrete evidence that he was sexually attracted to children. 2+2 in
> > our minds seems to lead to your conclusion, but y'know, it's not
fair
> > to assume, even with the evidence presented here.
> >
> > Jojo
> >
> _The Intimate Sex Lives of Famous People_, c 1981,
> Irving, Amy, and Sylvia Wallace; David Wallechinsky,
> Page 125, Charles Lutwidge Dodgson, aka Lewis Caroll
>
Hmm. A handy book to have lying around, huh?
> "...He became a connoisseur of little girls, preferring them to be
> upper-class, fair of face and figure, intelligent, and energetic.
> He got along well with all girls up to the age of 10, although he
thought
> 12 year-olds were the most attractive physically.
That last line sounds like an assumption, but this is pretty damning
gossip, if it is true.
H Y Lee
> It's interesting. A childless woman with the same characteristics
> would be considered "normal" because of some unfulfilled 'motherhood"
> instinct.
>
> Kyoko
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serena,
*hides*
r...@rgmondo.cjb.net
Matthew Cline <ma...@nightrealms.com> wrote:
> r...@rgmondo.cjb.net wrote:
>
> > I had heard many non-anime fans say really untrue and outrageous
> > things about anime fans, but said against me is another. When I was
> > holding the Cardcaptor Sakura DVD in the Suncoast Video anime
> > section yesterday, a woman said this to her friends:
>
> > "I could not believe grown-up men watch that stuff [CCS]? Are they
> > really pedophiles?"
>
> Well, if you present certain facts about CCS out of context, it's
> rather easy to make it seem like it's for pedophiles:
>
> 1) Toyomo has a big (and semi-stalkerish) crush on Sakura.
> 2) Sakura actually goes out on a few *dates* with Yuki.
> 3) An elementary school teacher actually *proposes* to a 10 year
> old girl (in the manga, at least).
>
> If someone got the "pedophile" opinion because of this, you could
> point
> out that CCS was made by a group of four women *for* 10 year old
> girls.
Last year someone on a Sailormoon newsgroup thought that Naoko Takeuchi
is a pedophile for drawing nude pictures of underage females. People
would are ignorant about CLAMP would think that the women behind this
group are "perverts" who are corrupting the minds of the young.
>
> However, it's possible that in the case of a grown man watching
> something like CCS, the thought process is: "Why would *any* adult
> watch something like that? After all, it's just for kids. Now, I
> could understand if it was something like the X-Men, since a lot of
> grown men are just little boys at heart, but little boys would never
> watch something like CCS, because that's a *girl's* cartoon; thus, any
> grown man who watches CCS must be watching it only because it has
> little girls in it." If that's what they're thinking, it's useless
> to
> try and reason with them.
Yes, it would be difficult to convince those who could not be reasoned.
>
> > One of the woman's friends said, "Yeah, they're pedophiles all
> > right. They can use those DVDs to lure innocent girls and rape
> > them."
>
> Oh, *man*, what was that lady smoking? Not "Hey, little girl, want
> some candy?" but "Hey, little girl, want to watch some subtitled,
> uncut CCS? It's a lot better than that butchered Card Captors crud
> you've seen on Warner Brothers." Yeesh!
>
I could not imagine in the news of a man arrested for child molestation
by luring little girls into his house using CCS DVDs. What would be
worst if that man is an anime fan. Imagine what the media would think
about us!
New York Post headline:
Pedophile Busted for Using Anime Porn to Lure Girls
David Watson
The worst I've gotten was not a personal comment, but hearing from members
of my family back in my hometown that they heard that Sailor Moon was
originally X-rated and rejigged to become a kids' show. Debunked that by
letting them know that, while tons of other artists have sickened that one
out, it started as Sailor V, a manga story for young girls, the title
character of which turned into Sailor Venus in SMoon, and that Naoko
Takeuchi never made it an adult title at all. Since I'm the big anime
head in the family and they know full well that I don't BS anybody,
especially where kids are concerned, they take my word for it.
I've also gotten the odd dig for openly liking some adult titles, but my
response is a coolly in-yr-face, "And this is a bad thing because...?"
Most people get over it when they ask me more about it and I make it plain
that I don't really dig the violent side of it.
The National Capital Freenet had a birthday party recently, and a friend
and I took up two tables for the anime SIGs and loaded them down with
assorted merch from our collections. The friend brought some SMoon dolls
and some UFO Catcher dolls as well. Some guy leaned on him about that,
asking him at one point, "You paid money for these dolls?" and I
responded, "Yes, he did. That's the way capitalism works, after all."
Ask me a stupid question, you'll get a smartass answer.
If I had encountered those two women, I probably would have come up with
something suitably withering on the spot, or just asked, "How do you
know? Tell me."
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S.t.A.n.L.e.E
> r...@rgmondo.cjb.net wrote:
>
> > I had heard many non-anime fans say really untrue and outrageous
> > things about anime fans, but said against me is another. When I was
> > holding the Cardcaptor Sakura DVD in the Suncoast Video anime
> > section yesterday, a woman said this to her friends:
>
> > "I could not believe grown-up men watch that stuff [CCS]? Are they
> > really pedophiles?"
>
> Well, if you present certain facts about CCS out of context, it's
> rather easy to make it seem like it's for pedophiles:
>
> 1) Toyomo has a big (and semi-stalkerish) crush on Sakura.
> 2) Sakura actually goes out on a few *dates* with Yuki.
> 3) An elementary school teacher actually *proposes* to a 10 year
> old girl (in the manga, at least).
>
> If someone got the "pedophile" opinion because of this, you could
> point
> out that CCS was made by a group of four women *for* 10 year old
> girls.
Heh, although one of them do enjoy H-games. ^_^
>
> However, it's possible that in the case of a grown man watching
> something like CCS, the thought process is: "Why would *any* adult
> watch something like that? After all, it's just for kids. Now, I
> could understand if it was something like the X-Men, since a lot of
> grown men are just little boys at heart, but little boys would never
> watch something like CCS, because that's a *girl's* cartoon; thus, any
> grown man who watches CCS must be watching it only because it has
> little girls in it." If that's what they're thinking, it's useless
> to try and reason with them.
>
Unfortunately, that's not uncommon.
No matter what you say, some people just won't listen
and still keep to their misguided opinions.
Their hardheadedness won't permit them to see why
they'd have to change their viewpoint just on the account of you.
>
> > One of the woman's friends said, "Yeah, they're pedophiles all
> > right. They can use those DVDs to lure innocent girls and rape
> > them."
>
> Oh, *man*, what was that lady smoking? Not "Hey, little girl, want
> some candy?" but "Hey, little girl, want to watch some subtitled,
> uncut CCS? It's a lot better than that butchered Card Captors crud
> you've seen on Warner Brothers." Yeesh!
>
I don't think they even know about CC vs. CCS sub DVDs,
or even care to know about such info in the first place.
Laters. =)
Stan
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> On Sun, 11 Feb 2001, Matthew Cline wrote:
> > However, it's possible that in the case of a grown man watching
> > something like CCS, the thought process is: "Why would *any* adult
> > watch something like that? After all, it's just for kids. Now, I
> > could understand if it was something like the X-Men, since a lot of
> > grown men are just little boys at heart, but little boys would never
> > watch something like CCS, because that's a *girl's* cartoon; thus, any
> > grown man who watches CCS must be watching it only because it has
> > little girls in it." If that's what they're thinking, it's useless
> > to try and reason with them.
I'm reminded of an episode of Law & Order from a few years back (A
Brisco/Logan episode, I think) - they're tracking down a child molestor, and
when they enter the suspect's apartment, Brisco spots a tape of cartoons (I
wanna say Bugs Bunny but it's been a while since I've seen the episode), and
shows it to Logan, giving him a knowing look. Y'know the one, the same one
he gives when he spots racist literature in the apartment of a suspect in a
hate crime.
My eyes haven't rolled so far since - until I read rg's post, that is.
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Lone Orphen
Sorry you had to endure such demeaning comments from ignorant people.
In that situation, I wouldn't say or do anything either but for
different reasons. I'd let them stay ignorant as the rest of American
viewers shift their views about anime from being pornographic to an
entertainment medium that is new, intellectual, funny and entertaining.
Anime has come along way when, initially, the majority of people
believed anime was pure porn to a period where Toonami and Fox are
airing anime. Years ago, I told a friend of mine that Disney had no
choice but to accept anime as an entertainment art form, and after
Disney, others will follow. That has already happen.
You shouldn't allow yourself to be bothered by their comments because
they'll soon become hypocrits as they, their friends, family members
and significant others begin to and like to watch anime. They're not
even worth a quarter second of your time.
--
Lone Orphen
(No Emails Please)
Gray Ops
>of anime. The news media is driven by the sensational and when
>phenomena like Pokemon and Sailor Moon attracted press attention they
>needed the most lurid angle they could find to draw in the viewers and
>readers. For Pokemon it was, of course, the seizure incident. For
>the Sailor Moon and the rest of anime it was the sex and violence
>angle. Doubtless someone was assigned a puff piece on the growth of
>anime in american culture and upon investigation got hold of some
>hentai and ran with it. That stigma has adhered to anime ever since
>though it has been fading of late. But you can't expect your average
>person to keep on top of anime if they have no interest in it.
>
>And you should have answered them back. How did they know you weren't
>buying it for your children? Would they have said the same thing if
>you were buying a Powerpuff Girls DVD? If someone's going to announce
>to every ear in range in a public venue that you are a pedophile, a
>devastating thing to be accused of, you really need to take their head
>off if they can't substantiate it. You, my friend, have been publicly
>slandered and that is civilly actionable.
>
>Kyle
>
>"I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or
>numbered." - No. 6
>
THANK YOU! It's about damn time someone set that straight! I personally would
have torn them a new one right in the middle of the store but that's just me.
they have no right to just to such outrageous conclusions!
-Chris
Galen Musbach
afflicted by a bizzare form of temptation, and resisted it.
"Think what a greivous sin it must be to yield to some very slight
temptation, which we could have resisted with perfect ease, and
to do it deliberately, in the full light of God's Law; what penance
can atone for a sin like that?"-Lewis Caroll, Sylvia and Bruno.
makotom...@my-deja.com
I don't think you are a pedophile or child molester for liking Card
Captor Sakura. However I will say this, their is way too much Card Captor
Sakura hentai doujinshi available in Japan (and there is alot.) My
favorite anime/mandarake store in Japan. Mandarake has two doujinshi
sextions: One for men and for women. The women's section consisted mainly
of yaoi and the men's section consisted mainly of porn doujinshi. There
seemed to be whole selves dedicated to CCS porn doujinshi in the men's
section. While their are some adult characters in CCS like the Teacher
and Tomoyo's mom, I would say that most of the content in these (based
upon the covers, the Japanese shrink wrap everything so you can't look
before you buy. This is really frustrtating with artbooks.) is sex
between Sakura and Tomoyo and/or Sakura and a bunch of random men or some
tentacle monster. In Japan, there seems to be some correaltion between
CCS, male fans, and a lolicon complex.
David Watson
> I don't think you are a pedophile or child molester for liking Card
> Captor Sakura. However I will say this, their is way too much Card Captor
> Sakura hentai doujinshi available in Japan (and there is alot.) My
> favorite anime/mandarake store in Japan. Mandarake has two doujinshi
> sextions: One for men and for women. The women's section consisted mainly
> of yaoi and the men's section consisted mainly of porn doujinshi. There
> seemed to be whole selves dedicated to CCS porn doujinshi in the men's
> section. While their are some adult characters in CCS like the Teacher
> and Tomoyo's mom, I would say that most of the content in these (based
> upon the covers, the Japanese shrink wrap everything so you can't look
> before you buy. This is really frustrtating with artbooks.) is sex
> between Sakura and Tomoyo and/or Sakura and a bunch of random men or some
> tentacle monster. In Japan, there seems to be some correaltion between
> CCS, male fans, and a lolicon complex.
Having inadvertantly flipped through one of them, I agree. Disgusting.
Man, it took looking through a bloody U-Jin book after that to put me
right again! I may have an eye for do-able-looking young anime women, and
Sakura (and every other character in CCS, for that matter) are cute as
hell, but my id stays down for shows like that (and definitely does among
girls that age in real life). Think what you like about me for digging
adult titles, but at least I ain't no Loliconner.
cryptochrome
>the
>> eye and say "Spoken out of true ignorance" or something good and
>> condescending to that effect, and ignore them
>
>That's snappy? I'd say something along the lines of, "How would you
>know this unless you've seen them, you dirty woman, you!"
Well if you say something like that you'd just be reinforcing their
stereotypes, wouldn't you? Why give them more ammunition?
S.t.A.n.L.e.E
>
> I don't think you are a pedophile or child molester for liking Card
> Captor Sakura. However I will say this, their is way too much Card Captor
> Sakura hentai doujinshi available in Japan (and there is alot.) My
> favorite anime/mandarake store in Japan. Mandarake has two doujinshi
> sextions: One for men and for women. The women's section consisted mainly
> of yaoi and the men's section consisted mainly of porn doujinshi. There
> seemed to be whole selves dedicated to CCS porn doujinshi in the men's
> section. While their are some adult characters in CCS like the Teacher
> and Tomoyo's mom, I would say that most of the content in these (based
> upon the covers, the Japanese shrink wrap everything so you can't look
> before you buy. This is really frustrtating with artbooks.) is sex
> between Sakura and Tomoyo and/or Sakura and a bunch of random men or some
> tentacle monster. In Japan, there seems to be some correaltion between
> CCS, male fans, and a lolicon complex.
>
Well, an environment has been created over there
in which such practice is no longer seen as disgusting.
(I'm not talking about porn - everybody has porn,
but some corner edge stuff.)
Maybe it's because they feel so repressed in real-life that
they put so little inhibition in one of the limited ways
they can exptress themselves, who knows?
Galen Musbach
"David Watson" <aj...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message
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But isn't a Lolicon an attraction for the 14-year-old appearance?
An attraction for 10 year olds is quite different. (Not talking about
acting on that interest, which is inexcusable in either case.)
H Y Lee
> But isn't a Lolicon an attraction for the 14-year-old appearance?
> An attraction for 10 year olds is quite different. (Not talking about
> acting on that interest, which is inexcusable in either case.)
> -Galen
I always thought lolicon involved "underaged girls".. hmm.. age range of
<7-14? I haven't read/watch many lolicon stuff, but I've seen a few
scans and covers of lolita mangas - and from what I could gather, the
girls in there look about 9 or 12.
I know more about shota-con, but I guess it's not totally equivalent to
lolicon.. otherwise I could've given more input into this thread ^_^
Hadn't had the experience of ppl accusing me of being a pedo, but I've
had friends giving me odd looks (nothing hostile, fortunately!) when
they found my pile of shota manga scans *LOL*
regards,
serena
big big shota fan ^_^v *peace*
alex...@my-deja.com
people who watch anime are associated with paedophilia? I have never
heard this nonsense before.
Cheers,
Alex...
RHandel182
overheard by others, I would have turned to them and said, politely, "I hope
you're prepared to back that up in court with physical evidence when I sue you
for defamation." I would have then taken out paper and a pen and asked for the
names of their lawyers.
S.t.A.n.L.e.E
> Galen Musbach wrote:
> > But isn't a Lolicon an attraction for the 14-year-old appearance?
> > An attraction for 10 year olds is quite different. (Not talking about
> > acting on that interest, which is inexcusable in either case.)
> > -Galen
>
> I always thought lolicon involved "underaged girls".. hmm.. age range of
> <7-14? I haven't read/watch many lolicon stuff, but I've seen a few
> scans and covers of lolita mangas - and from what I could gather, the
> girls in there look about 9 or 12.
>
Well, there's not much sense in localizing Lolicon
to an age range, and certainly not one age.
(I mean, what does "14-year-old appearance" mean?
14-year-olds' looks are diverse enough it can't be defined.)
Maybe the term "pre-pubescent" (or early-pubescent) is clearer,
diminishing age in the equation in favor of appearance.
>
> I know more about shota-con, but I guess it's not totally equivalent to
> lolicon.. otherwise I could've given more input into this thread ^_^
I think it's just: lolicon is to little girls
as shotacon is to little boys, otherwise equivalent.
> Hadn't had the experience of ppl accusing me of being a pedo, but I've
> had friends giving me odd looks (nothing hostile, fortunately!) when
> they found my pile of shota manga scans *LOL*
>
A college friend who we call "Dr. King" often makes the joke that
he's studying to be a pediatric gynecologist, or ped for short. ^_^
(We were studying pre-med, so the subject usually came up.
The profs get a laugh out of it. ^_^ )
Tong Lin
think that those are only for kids... you haven't tell us what's their age
group, usually older woman always think Animation is for kids... adults
watch is definitely have problems.. ^_^
If I were you, I would just ask them if they have any prove of what they
are saying...
I mean lure kids by DVD damn that's definitely a new way to lure kids
now.. and it is getting more and more expensive... ^_^
> I had heard many non-anime fans say really untrue and outragous things
> about anime fans, but said against me is another. When I was holding
> the Cardcaptor Sakura DVD in the Suncoast Video anime section
> yesterday, a woman said this to her friends:
>
> "I could not believe grown-up men watch that stuff [CCS]? Are they
> really pedophiles?"
>
> One of the woman's friends said, "Yeah, they're pedophiles all right.
> They can use those DVDs to lure innocent girls and rape them."
>
> Because of what those women said, I am labelled a "pedophile" for
> watching CCS. I felt very insulted and angry of what they said, but
> dared not try to speak to them. Earlier, I heard another group of women
> say that anime is for "sick porno perverts who like to see girls
> getting raped."
>
> What horrible things had you heard people say about anime, its fandom,
> and even you--the anime fan?
>
> -rgmondo
>
>
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>
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>I had heard many non-anime fans say really untrue and outragous things
>about anime fans, but said against me is another. When I was holding
>the Cardcaptor Sakura DVD in the Suncoast Video anime section
>yesterday, a woman said this to her friends:
>
>"I could not believe grown-up men watch that stuff [CCS]? Are they
>really pedophiles?"
>
>One of the woman's friends said, "Yeah, they're pedophiles all right.
>They can use those DVDs to lure innocent girls and rape them."
>
>Because of what those women said, I am labelled a "pedophile" for
>watching CCS. I felt very insulted and angry of what they said, but
>dared not try to speak to them. Earlier, I heard another group of women
>say that anime is for "sick porno perverts who like to see girls
>getting raped."
>
>What horrible things had you heard people say about anime, its fandom,
>and even you--the anime fan?
Well first off those women were idiots...I think that's universally agreed.
Anyone who makes an assumption on such LITTLE information is an
idiot..regardless of the situation. Anime fans just get it more often then most
IMHO.
Anyway a couple of the worse things said to me about my anime obsession:
-"Why do you watch white cartoons? Are black ones not good enough?" (I'm mixed
btw apparently I teeter too close to my white heritage. Go fig *shrug*)
-"As someone who was raped how can you sit there and possibly enjoy watching
it?" This was made as I sat there watching Overfiend for a project I was doing
and when I tried to explain how this was NOT all the anime in the world I got
told that all anime was either A)Overfiend or B)Pokemon. No inbetween.
- "You're just attempting to be cool" This was in college when people walked
into my room and saw my Anime posters (along with my SP posters, art paintings
etc etc) That pissed me off. Being cool. Pleh. I thought anime fans were geeks?
However the most insulting remark that I've ever gotten in regards to anime was
that I liked only because it allowed me to show off to men....specifically
asian men.
....I just don't get that.
I suppose I've been really lucky being a girl and all....I imagine that men get
more comments then us chicks do.
~TnM
However I do buy all my H titles online..incognito^^;
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Sarah Davis
S.t.A.n.L.e.E wrote in message ...
>On Mon, 12 Feb 2001, H Y Lee wrote:
>
>> Galen Musbach wrote:
>> > But isn't a Lolicon an attraction for the 14-year-old appearance?
>> > An attraction for 10 year olds is quite different. (Not talking about
>> > acting on that interest, which is inexcusable in either case.)
>> > -Galen
>>
>> I always thought lolicon involved "underaged girls".. hmm.. age range of
>> <7-14? I haven't read/watch many lolicon stuff, but I've seen a few
>> scans and covers of lolita mangas - and from what I could gather, the
>> girls in there look about 9 or 12.
>>
>
>Well, there's not much sense in localizing Lolicon
>to an age range, and certainly not one age.
>(I mean, what does "14-year-old appearance" mean?
>14-year-olds' looks are diverse enough it can't be defined.)
"Lolicon" is derived from "Lolita"; Humbert Humbert was fascinated with
fourteen-year-old girls, specifically, hence the localization. However, I
don't believe the term is strictly applied to fourteen-year-old girls, in
coloquial use.
(ObTriv: And "Lolita," some suspect, was derived from the name [which I've
forgotten] of Charlie Chaplin's underage lover, who was, IIRC, around twelve
years old. I don't know if Nabokov ever said this was so or not, but it's a
popular theory.)
>Maybe the term "pre-pubescent" (or early-pubescent) is clearer,
>diminishing age in the equation in favor of appearance.
It's a more direct term, and more accurate, lacking the potentially
misleading connotations of "Lolicon."
Sarah
Shadow6865
But isn't a Lolicon an attraction for the 14-year-old appearance?
An attraction for 10 year olds is quite different. (Not talking about
acting on that interest, which is inexcusable in either case.) >>
I think lolicon is a rather loose term which can be used for sexual
attraction prepubscent to early adolescant aged girls. Once girls reach the age
of 14 in anime they tend to be drawn very maturly. I think lolicon clearly has
to deal with some pre teen sexual attraction.
Shadow6865
However the most insulting remark that I've ever gotten in regards to anime was
that I liked only because it allowed me to show off to men....specifically
asian men. >>
This is less insulting than it is perplexing (unless they were accusing you of
being a slut.) What sort of person makes this remark and why? Most women would
never date a man who is an anime fan (just going on generalizations here) It is
interesting that they seem to think Asian men are attractive. I thought that
the Western world has influenced almost every non-Asian that Asian men are
never sexy. This is fortunatly changing a little becuase of HK stars like Chow
Yun Fat and Jackie Chan but it is still thought.
<<
I suppose I've been really lucky being a girl and all....I imagine that men get
more comments then us chicks do.
>>
Probably. Then again most men really don't care what sort of hobbies a girl
has as long as they find her good looking. Yes, we are idiots.
Shaodow
Galen Musbach
and have legs" thing. Of course, they are very busty for 14 year-olds,
so I don't think it really applies ... but then there's Darien, a College
student dating a middle-school girl -- and they have a child together!
He's a really sick guy.;)
-Galen
<alex...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:969275$7m5$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
Juliet A. Youngren
> > "...He became a connoisseur of little girls, preferring them to be
> > upper-class, fair of face and figure, intelligent, and energetic.
> > He got along well with all girls up to the age of 10, although he
> > thought 12 year-olds were the most attractive physically.
>
> That last line sounds like an assumption, but this is pretty damning
> gossip, if it is true.
It's true that he liked photographing children in the nude, but exactly
what that meant to him is a matter of conjecture. Personally, I've always
felt that we shouldn't leap to conclusions; the Victorians were very big
on the idea of prepubescent children as asexual angels, and in the few
photographs I've seen that he took, the children are not posed
provocatively. The past is a different country, and barring the discovery
of a diary in which he recorded how turned on he was by the kids, I think
the idea that he was a pedophile should be classified as a possibility
rather than assumed to be certain.
Just my 2 cents.
Juliet
Juliet A. Youngren
> He kept an extensive personal diary. But why is it damning? He was
> afflicted by a bizzare form of temptation, and resisted it.
> "Think what a greivous sin it must be to yield to some very slight
> temptation, which we could have resisted with perfect ease, and
> to do it deliberately, in the full light of God's Law; what penance
> can atone for a sin like that?"-Lewis Caroll, Sylvia and Bruno.
Hmmm, just found this bit. I thought I knew a fair amount about
Carroll/Dodgson, but maybe the bios I've read were tiptoeing around this
bit. All I ever see quoted from his diaries there is a list of his social
engagements or interesting conversations that he had. Then again, what
does the diary actually say about the girls? Is there an explicit "Janie
made me feel so hot, but I know it's wrong"? Or are people just making
assumptions based on the number of times he mentioned talking to young
girls/striking up friendships with them?
Juliet
Shadow6865
(ObTriv: And "Lolita," some suspect, was derived from the name [which I've
forgotten] of Charlie Chaplin's underage lover, who was, IIRC, around twelve
years old. I don't know if Nabokov ever said this was so or not, but it's a
popular theory.) >>
Quite possibly. Chaplin had many teenage brides. The oldest of which was 18
years old when he was in his 40s or 50s. His youngest bride might have been
around 14 or 15 years old. Ah powerful men and the stupid things they can get
away with.
Brian Dinnigan
<3a886...@corp.newsfeeds.com>...
> <alex...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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> > I take it most of you guys are stateside? How has it come about that
> > people who watch anime are associated with paedophilia? I have never
> > heard this nonsense before.
I'm not stateside. I'm from Canada.
> I think its the "guys like Sailor Moon because the girls wear short
skirts
> and have legs" thing. Of course, they are very busty for 14 year-olds,
> so I don't think it really applies ... but then there's Darien, a College
> student dating a middle-school girl -- and they have a child together!
> He's a really sick guy.;)
You still hear the dopey pedo argument up here in Canada, which is
particularily ludicrous with regards to Sailor moon, because up in the
great white north, the age of consent is 14. Basically, there's nothing
legally wrong with the relationships in Sailor moon, if they were in real
life. We've got some dumb laws regulating how portrayals of relationships
can be displayed [I can post the appropriate criminal code sections if
anyone wants them]. Theoretically, we also cannot publish or read "crime
comics" like Batman, so draw your own conclusions.
Brian Dinnigan
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expensive ship this time"- Winston Churchill, on Lord Mountbatten
cryptochrome
shado...@aol.com (Shadow6865) wrote:
><<
>However the most insulting remark that I've ever gotten in regards to anime was
>that I liked only because it allowed me to show off to men....specifically
>asian men. >>
It only lets you show off to geeks, be they asian, white, black, or whatever.
>
> This is less insulting than it is perplexing (unless they were
accusing you of
>being a slut.) What sort of person makes this remark and why? Most women would
>never date a man who is an anime fan (just going on generalizations here) It is
>interesting that they seem to think Asian men are attractive. I thought that
>the Western world has influenced almost every non-Asian that Asian men are
>never sexy. This is fortunatly changing a little becuase of HK stars like Chow
>Yun Fat and Jackie Chan but it is still thought.
Is Jackie Chan considered attractive? Being a guy it's somewhat hard for
me to tell, but he seems kind of goofy-looking to be considered so. (Mind
you I still find him entertaining as all hell, but still).
cryptochrome
P.S.: Obviously Choy Yun Fat and Jet Li fit the bill.
cryptochrome
rhand...@aol.com (RHandel182) wrote:
Suing people over some disparaging comments is hardly worth it. A
collosal waste of resources. Aren't there enough problems in the world
without making more work for lawyers?
It certainly does nothing for anime fans reputation.
cryptochrome
cryptochrome
>particularily ludicrous with regards to Sailor moon, because up in the
>great white north, the age of consent is 14. Basically, there's nothing
>legally wrong with the relationships in Sailor moon, if they were in real
>life. We've got some dumb laws regulating how portrayals of relationships
>can be displayed [I can post the appropriate criminal code sections if
>anyone wants them]. Theoretically, we also cannot publish or read "crime
>comics" like Batman, so draw your own conclusions.
>
>Brian Dinnigan
Don't forget, the age of consent is 12 in Japan and they're pretty
permissive about private relationships. Hence the problem.
Arnold Kim
<r...@rgmondo.cjb.net> wrote in message news:9677i4$q39$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> I had heard many non-anime fans say really untrue and outragous things
> about anime fans, but said against me is another. When I was holding
> the Cardcaptor Sakura DVD in the Suncoast Video anime section
> yesterday, a woman said this to her friends:
>
> "I could not believe grown-up men watch that stuff [CCS]? Are they
> really pedophiles?"
>
> One of the woman's friends said, "Yeah, they're pedophiles all right.
> They can use those DVDs to lure innocent girls and rape them."
Man, you should have confronted them about this. Even I would have, and I'm
not one to stir up trouble with strangers.
> Because of what those women said, I am labelled a "pedophile" for
> watching CCS. I felt very insulted and angry of what they said, but
> dared not try to speak to them. Earlier, I heard another group of women
> say that anime is for "sick porno perverts who like to see girls
> getting raped."
Yeah. Hey, if anyone wants to trade S&M porn, My 6 year old cousin the
pokemon and DBZ fan has quite a collection...
> What horrible things had you heard people say about anime, its fandom,
> and even you--the anime fan?
I guess I've been lucky enough not to run into many aside from the
occasional internet moron. The vast majority of the time, people around me
when I shop for anime either ignore me, or very rarely I'll strike up a
conversation with an anime fan there. 95% of the people I meet have no clue
what anime is, most of the rest are either anime fans, or at least have
heard of the medium. And those I've met who _did_ think it was porn changed
their minds pretty easily after I've told them it's not.
The only insults I've personally heard towards anime and anime fans have
been by means of internet flames, or other ridiculous comments on websites.
The worst I've heard is something about how anyone who spends more than a
second watching anime in their life should shoot themselves in the head and
not waste valuable resources for other human beings.
Arnold Kim
Arnold Kim
Ken Arromdee <arro...@rahul.net> wrote in message
news:967mrf$5e6$1...@samba.rahul.net...
> In article <BFHh6.13148$BQ3.2...@news6-win.server.ntlworld.com>,
> Calum Wallace <doghead....@virgin.net> wrote:
> >You see, people who are that wank need a very big reality implant. You
> >should have marched up to those two women and told them to phone their
> >lawyers. If anyone ever gives me shite like that I'm going to walk up to
> >them and threaten to sue them for libel. Crap like that gets me really
> >fucking mad.
>
> 1. Libel is written, slander is spoken.
> 2. In order to slander or libel someone you have to refer to them
> specifically. Claiming that all anime fans are pedophiles is not slander.
> They would have to be specifically accusing you in order for it to be
slander.
> 3. Physically threatening them for the accusation is only going to make
anime
> fans look worse; now we'll be seen as *violent* pedophiles.
>
> The proper course of action here is to do nothing, unless you're in a
> situation where it actually matters. Otaku cannot rant at every single
> person who shows a misunderstanding of anime; that kind of reaction is
what
> puts the "fanatic" in "fan". Let's get a sense of perspective here.
Well, here, there is definitely an insult implied towards rgmondo, and I'd
think that, maybe not ranting, but at least talking to them about it and
trying to defend your character couldn't hurt.
Arnold Kim
Arnold Kim
> people who watch anime are associated with paedophilia? I have never
> heard this nonsense before.
Because it's indelible in these people's minds that anime like CCS can only
be enjoyed by children, so grown men must have some ulterior motive.
Arnold Kim
Arnold Kim
cryptochrome <crypto...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Well... I heard two women in Japan commit suicide upon news of his marriage.
Apparently he is a bit of a sex symbol in Asia. Maybe it's not his looks,
but his charm.
Arnold Kim
Animeg3282
> In Japan, there seems to be some correaltion between
>CCS, male fans, and a lolicon complex.
I don't think it's CCS itself. I mean..you've got perverts, you've got shows
with cute young girls with high visibilty(I hear it's very popular!) so it's
easy for pervs to draw that kind of sick stuff. It would probably happen to any
other show that was as big and had cute young girls in it.
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> I don't think it's CCS itself. I mean..you've got perverts, you've got shows
> with cute young girls with high visibilty(I hear it's very popular!) so it's
> easy for pervs to draw that kind of sick stuff. It would probably happen to any
> other show that was as big and had cute young girls in it.
Never underestimate the power of fanfics and fanarts ^_^
regards,
serena
cryptochrome
Oh yeah, I remember that. Well, good for him. Except for the suicide
thing, that's not cool... I suppose it's flattering in a horrific sort of
way.
cryptochrome
Shadow6865
Is Jackie Chan considered attractive? Being a guy it's somewhat hard for
me to tell, but he seems kind of goofy-looking to be considered so. (Mind
you I still find him entertaining as all hell, but still). >>
I know many women who talk about Jackie Chan being really cute. Not cute in
that little brother way either. I have not heard anyone talk about Chow Yun
Fat's look but it seems that Hollywood is trying to pass him off as an Asian
James Bond. Sauve. sexy, witty but also dangerous and exciting.
A Shelton
> makoto said:
>> In Japan, there seems to be some correaltion between
>>CCS, male fans, and a lolicon complex.
> I don't think it's CCS itself. I mean..you've got perverts, you've got shows
> with cute young girls with high visibilty(I hear it's very popular!) so it's
> easy for pervs to draw that kind of sick stuff. It would probably happen to any
> other show that was as big and had cute young girls in it.
While CCS is not an example I would have thought of there's no doubt
that a lot of anime does have very sexualized representations of
young girls. And often mix's sexual references along with `purity',
such as the ever popular young school school girl. You've only to
look at the outfits and proportions of many anime characters (and
not sakura) for this to be fairly obvious.
However that's miles away from being a product created for the use
or enjoyment of pedophiles. Just as images of attractive women are
not designed for consumption by rapists. It's sad that so many
people seem to have a difficulty seeing this distinction, but I guess
it's just how their minds work.
Then again. I suspect pedophiles enjoy exploiting innocence as
much as sexuality...so the possibility of pedophiles being
attracted to CCS seems possible. But since they're psychologically
disturbed I don't think anyones obliged to take their opinions
or predilictions as meaning anything.
--
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Rei
>From: shado...@aol.com (Shadow6865)
>Date: 2/12/101 8:33 PM EST
>Message-id: <20010212203354...@ng-mi1.aol.com>
I work at Blockbuster and around the time Anna and the King (the modern
"remake" of "The King And I" with Jodie Foster and Chow-Yun Fat) came out,
there was an elderly white lady who came in to rent it... she'd already seen
it, and she didn't seem like the type to be erm, "into" Asian guys or whatever,
but she told me that she thought Chow-Yun Fat was really, really cute after
watching him in this movie, and that this was like her 4th time renting it.
Maybe I should have recommended something like Hard Boiled to her. O.o
-Rei, you know what you get when you "assume"...
cryptochrome
drkhi...@aol.comrrrright (Rei) wrote:
>>Subject: Re: I am a "pedophile" for watching CCS?
>>From: shado...@aol.com (Shadow6865)
>>Date: 2/12/101 8:33 PM EST
>>Message-id: <20010212203354...@ng-mi1.aol.com>
>>
>><<
>>Is Jackie Chan considered attractive? Being a guy it's somewhat hard for
>>me to tell, but he seems kind of goofy-looking to be considered so. (Mind
>>you I still find him entertaining as all hell, but still). >>
>>
>> I know many women who talk about Jackie Chan being really cute.
>Not cute in
>>that little brother way either. I have not heard anyone talk about Chow Yun
>>Fat's look but it seems that Hollywood is trying to pass him off as an Asian
>>James Bond. Sauve. sexy, witty but also dangerous and exciting.
>>
As I understand it he's more of an Asian Bruce Willis. Started out in
comedy, moved into action, and now does about half highbrow films.
Sarah Davis
Shadow6865 wrote in message
<20010212175948...@ng-md1.aol.com>...
He didn't exactly get away with it--it ruined his career, not to mention his
life. Not that I feel particularly sorry for him.
Sarah
Sarah Davis
Shadow6865 wrote in message
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><<
>However the most insulting remark that I've ever gotten in regards to anime
was
>that I liked only because it allowed me to show off to men....specifically
>asian men. >>
>
> This is less insulting than it is perplexing (unless they were accusing
you of
>being a slut.) What sort of person makes this remark and why?
Someone who stereotypes, I should think.
People try to comprehend, but so many are too simple, so they "try" in the
form of filling in the blanks with convenient misinformation and sensational
conclusions. I've read and watched a fair number of biographies and
historical accounts pertaining to Nazism. With that meager sliver of
information in mind, what would you make of it? Many people would pick up
unflattering ideas of who I am based on this data, even though all they know
is the simple fact that I've read the books and watched the films. Likewise,
if a person learns that a grown man is watching cartoons about little girls,
this person will probably try to come up with the most internally thrilling
explanation, that being that the man in question is a pedophile, or gay. He
probably isn't either of those things, but it's more fun for the bystander
to think so. Entertainment at another's expense is the cheapest kind. The
women mentioned as gossiping about male anime fans probably *enjoy
themselves* when they're given the chance to snort and snicker over the
imagined misdeeds of strangers at the video store.
>Most women would
>never date a man who is an anime fan (just going on generalizations here)
And a big generalization that is.
>It is
>interesting that they seem to think Asian men are attractive. I thought
that
>the Western world has influenced almost every non-Asian that Asian men are
>never sexy.
What gave you that idea?
> <<
>I suppose I've been really lucky being a girl and all....I imagine that men
get
>more comments then us chicks do.
> >>
>
> Probably. Then again most men really don't care what sort of hobbies a
girl
>has as long as they find her good looking. Yes, we are idiots.
Yes, of course. Most men are idiots. And most women are too shallow to
accept men's hobbies. And most Westerners have been influenced to believe
that Asian men are never sexy.
What sort of person makes these remarks, and why? Someone who stereotypes, I
should think.
Sarah
Dion Madrilejo
sdavis...@mad-hatter.org wrote on 2/13/01 01:16 AM:
>
> Shadow6865 wrote in message
> <20010212155557...@ng-fi1.aol.com>...
[snerp]
>> It is interesting that they seem to think Asian men are attractive. I thought
>> that the Western world has influenced almost every non-Asian that Asian men
>> are never sexy.
>
> What gave you that idea?
Just look at US TV programming and films. Depictions of asian men tend to
be:
-Old men with strange fetishes with women
-Gangsters (Yakuza, triads, etc)
-Martial arts master
I have yet to see anything on TV or film in the US that shows asian men as
the regular guy next door and only rarely as a love interest.
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Sarah Davis
Dion Madrilejo wrote in message ...
>in article 96aiqq$j7uan$1...@ID-55621.news.dfncis.de, Sarah Davis at
>sdavis...@mad-hatter.org wrote on 2/13/01 01:16 AM:
>
>>
>> Shadow6865 wrote in message
>> <20010212155557...@ng-fi1.aol.com>...
>
>[snerp]
>
>>> It is interesting that they seem to think Asian men are attractive. I
thought
>>> that the Western world has influenced almost every non-Asian that Asian
men
>>> are never sexy.
>>
>> What gave you that idea?
>
>Just look at US TV programming and films. Depictions of asian men tend to
>be:
>
>-Old men with strange fetishes with women
>-Gangsters (Yakuza, triads, etc)
>-Martial arts master
>
>I have yet to see anything on TV or film in the US that shows asian men as
>the regular guy next door and only rarely as a love interest.
In spite of the media's flagrant disregard of Asian men as being able to fit
into many roles other than the limited list above, I've yet to meet any
woman who vocalized a belief that Asian men are "never sexy." How the media
portrays them and how the population at large sees them are not
intrinsically the same.
Sarah
Bruce Grubb
<musb...@xtn.net> wrote:
>"David Watson" <aj...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message
>news:968p3v$e4j$1...@freenet9.carleton.ca...
>> Having inadvertantly flipped through one of them, I agree. Disgusting.
>> Man, it took looking through a bloody U-Jin book after that to put me
>> right again! I may have an eye for do-able-looking young anime women, and
>> Sakura (and every other character in CCS, for that matter) are cute as
>> hell, but my id stays down for shows like that (and definitely does among
>> girls that age in real life). Think what you like about me for digging
>> adult titles, but at least I ain't no Loliconner.
>
>But isn't a Lolicon an attraction for the 14-year-old appearance?
>An attraction for 10 year olds is quite different. (Not talking about
>acting on that interest, which is inexcusable in either case.)
The only anime I have watch that accually touched on this is Haunted Junction
where Mutsuki has a "Shouta complex" which is the male version of the Lolita
Complex.
LLJOJOm...@excite.com
writes:
>
>>
>> That last line sounds like an assumption, but this is pretty damning
>> gossip, if it is true.
>>
>He kept an extensive personal diary. But why is it damning? He was
>afflicted by a bizzare form of temptation, and resisted it.
>"Think what a greivous sin it must be to yield to some very slight
>temptation, which we could have resisted with perfect ease, and
>to do it deliberately, in the full light of God's Law; what penance
>can atone for a sin like that?"-Lewis Caroll, Sylvia and Bruno.
I agree, but some people might shun his work because of this either way, even
if he never made any improper advances to girls.
Jojo
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>_Space Cadet_, by Robert Heinlein.
That's true, until the worthless people start the pogroms and riots...
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>
>I have yet to see anything on TV or film in the US that shows asian men as
>the regular guy next door and only rarely as a love interest.
I don't know if this counts, but in 'Oz' B.D. Wong plays a Catholic
priest. Then there's Harry Kim on 'Voyager'.
Jim Lazar
"James A. Wolf" <jaw...@mediaone.net> wrote in message
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> Dion Madrilejo <desig...@mac.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >I have yet to see anything on TV or film in the US that shows asian men
as
> >the regular guy next door and only rarely as a love interest.
>
> I don't know if this counts, but in 'Oz' B.D. Wong plays a Catholic
> priest. Then there's Harry Kim on 'Voyager'.
> --
Umm.... Harry Kim is pretty much the guy next door on Voyager and very
rarely has a love interest. Nothing long term either.
James 'Tengu' King
> "Galen Musbach" <musb...@xtn.net> wrote:
>
> >"The opinions of worthless people are worthless."
> >_Space Cadet_, by Robert Heinlein.
>
> That's true, until the worthless people start the pogroms and riots...
Well, their opinions are still worthless...they just become dangerous....
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Galen Musbach
>
> >"The opinions of worthless people are worthless."
> >_Space Cadet_, by Robert Heinlein.
>
> That's true, until the worthless people start the pogroms and riots...
> --
> <*> James A. Wolf
Heinlein also argued in favor of the private
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John Thacker
> In spite of the media's flagrant disregard of Asian men as being able to fit
> into many roles other than the limited list above, I've yet to meet any
> woman who vocalized a belief that Asian men are "never sexy." How the media
> portrays them and how the population at large sees them are not
> intrinsically the same.
Yes, true. BUT, if you look at Census statistics, you'll see that
72% of white-Asian couples are white husband, Asian wife, just as
72% of white-black couples are black husband, white wife. The
percentages of _both_ have gotten more pronounced since the 1960's.
So, it seems that as there's been less discrimination, there's
been more intermarriage, (quadruple the white-Asian marriages,
ten times the black-white marriages) but the additional intermarriage
has skewed the sex ratio more.
If you look at the 1990 Census, 1.46 million Asian women are married,
compared to only 1.26 million Asian males, despite there being a
similar number of Asians of both sexes in the US.
So, it seems reasonable to say that the problem exceeds just
media portrayal. Err, not that anyone really likes to talk about
it. Although there has been some media portrayal of the similar
problem from the black female perspective.
John
Louis Patterson
>
> "James A. Wolf" <jaw...@mediaone.net> wrote in message
> news:3a89bf8...@news.ne.mediaone.net...
> > "Galen Musbach" <musb...@xtn.net> wrote:
> >
> > >"The opinions of worthless people are worthless."
> > >_Space Cadet_, by Robert Heinlein.
> >
> > That's true, until the worthless people start the pogroms and riots...
> > --
> > <*> James A. Wolf
>
> Heinlein also argued in favor of the private
> ownership of massive firepower.
> -Galen
I'm guessing not by the worthless people...
Louis
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Shadow6865
> Heinlein also argued in favor of the private
> ownership of massive firepower.
> -Galen
I'm guessing not by the worthless people...
>>
Problem is that you can't really dictate what is worthless. Sure most people
can agree that saying any sort of ethnic slur is worthless. But somepeople
might consider my political thoughts worthless because I don't agree with them
and vice versa.
John Thacker
Actually, yes, by the worthless people. Or rather, by anyone.
John
Louis Patterson
Realisation dawns; by Heinlein's standards, anyone who *wants* to possess
the aforementioned massive firepower is automatically not worthless...
80-watt Hamster
Right. So Harry Kim is a valid counterpoint to the first portion of
Dion's statement. He said he hadn't seen an Asian male portrayed as
guy-next-door (and rarely as a love interest; see quote above). I don't
know if you were intending to contradict Harry Kim as a guy-next-door
character, but he fits the role pretty well, IMO.
Oh, and there's also the Laotian family that lives next door to Hank on
King of the Hill. It's animated, but we all know that doesn't matter. =)
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Sarah Davis
John Thacker wrote in message <96cjbp$bob$1...@news.duke.edu>...
Absolutely true. Hey, I never said all was fine, good, and absolutely equal.
^_^;; But I still think that the assertion Shadow6865 (whose real name I
keep forgetting) made that Westerners are taught to believe that Asian men
are "never sexy" (note the "never") is an exaggeration of the facts. When I
was in high school, the number of popular, sought-after Asian males was
disproportionately large relative to other races. They are largely ignored,
yes, but not "never sexy."
Sarah
Brown
"Louis Patterson" <lou...@student.unimelb.edu.au> wrote in message
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worthless. See all them worthless dead bodies??
;-)
Sam Brown
Louis Patterson
Well, I was close...
Maestro
blackboard in <sdne8tc5ddkcdvsfm...@4ax.com>:
>It's interesting. A childless woman with the same characteristics
>would be considered "normal" because of some unfulfilled 'motherhood"
>instinct.
Yeah, and I've always noticed when the periodic outraged post about
relationships in CCS pops up, it's never about Kaho's... I guess hers
are normal, but the rest aren't? Bleah...
-Maestro (Who just thinks all the relationships adds up to interesting
characters. ^_^)
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blackboard in <01c09547$606c49a0$938894cf@dinnigah>:
>You still hear the dopey pedo argument up here in Canada, which is
>particularily ludicrous with regards to Sailor moon, because up in the
>great white north, the age of consent is 14. Basically, there's nothing
>legally wrong with the relationships in Sailor moon, if they were in
>real life. We've got some dumb laws regulating how portrayals of
>relationships can be displayed [I can post the appropriate criminal code
>sections if anyone wants them]. Theoretically, we also cannot publish or
>read "crime comics" like Batman, so draw your own conclusions.
The age of consent is 14 in some US states too, but that doesn't seem to
stop the irrational accusations. Come to think of it, when was the last
time logic actually helped with an irrational idiot?
And of course pointing out that just a few generations back people were
getting married and having kids by 13 or 14 is met with shock and
disbelief. Man, more people need to learn about their family tree. ^_^
-Maestro
Maestro
in <Pine.GSO.4.20.010212...@pollux.cc.umanitoba.ca>:
>I mean lure kids by DVD damn that's definitely a new way to lure kids
>now.. and it is getting more and more expensive... ^_^
This brings to mind the image of a unshaven guy in a trench coat leaning
out his car window near a playground going "Pssst! Little girl, wanna
watch a DVD?" *rofl*
Hey, if that works, perhaps it'll move into single bars too.... "Hey
babe, wanna come home with me and watch some DVDs?" It could obliterate
the age old "What's your sign!" It'll take America by storm...
Then again, probably not. ^_-
Maestro
electronic blackboard in <20010212150721...@ng-fv1.aol.com>:
>I suppose I've been really lucky being a girl and all....I imagine that
>men get more comments then us chicks do.
Perhaps, I suspect that idiocy doesn't bother to check genders first for
the most part. Although it does seem to be okay for women to watch
animation (of any sort), but not for men in the US. Hell if I know why.
:P
I've gotten some nasty comments myself, I've been accused of being gay
because I liked Sailor Moon (anyone got any clue where that one came
from?), of being a pedophile for liking shows like Nurse Angel and CCS,
etc. I sometimes wonder what people think about the wallpapers on my
work computers, one is from CCS (lovely one of Sakura in her battle
outfit form the Song Card episode), and the other is Ririka from Nurse
Angel (from a cel I own. ^_^) If they ask I tell them I like the art,
which is true.
Maestro
<20010212155557...@ng-fi1.aol.com>:
> Probably. Then again most men really don't care what sort of hobbies
>a girl has as long as they find her good looking. Yes, we are idiots.
Speak for yourself, the hobbies she has are important to me. Course then
again I'm apparently too picky for my own good. (Oh well, I don't want
kids anymore anyway...)
Maestro
blackboard in <96aiqq$j7uan$1...@ID-55621.news.dfncis.de>:
>Yes, of course. Most men are idiots. And most women are too shallow to
>accept men's hobbies. And most Westerners have been influenced to
>believe that Asian men are never sexy.
It seems to me too that women are taught through media/etc. that all
Men's hobbies are stupid/boorish/rude/crude/socially unacceptable too.
How many times do you see a woman doing something like that on TV, in
novels, etc.
>What sort of person makes these remarks, and why? Someone who
>stereotypes, I should think.
Someone who's too lazy to bother checking the facts out themselves, and
too narrow-minded to consider that not all people or things fit neatly
into classifications. And that'd be probably a good 80%+ of the US
population I'm afraid. *sigh*
Maestro
blackboard in <B6AECB20.30FFB%desig...@mac.com>:
>I have yet to see anything on TV or film in the US that shows asian men
>as the regular guy next door and only rarely as a love interest.
How about Harry Kim on Star Trek: Voyager? I don't watch it much, but he
really struck me as a guy-next-door type.
Maestro
<969tco$an4$1...@bob.news.rcn.net>:
>I guess I've been lucky enough not to run into many aside from the
>occasional internet moron. The vast majority of the time, people around
>me when I shop for anime either ignore me, or very rarely I'll strike up
>a conversation with an anime fan there. 95% of the people I meet have
>no clue what anime is, most of the rest are either anime fans, or at
>least have heard of the medium. And those I've met who _did_ think it
>was porn changed their minds pretty easily after I've told them it's
>not.
I decided I prefered to shop for Anime online for lots of reasons, and
not having to run into the guy in Sam Goody who was practically drooling
over Golden Boy is a bonus in my mind. Man, he creeped me out and I'm a
guy! o_O
I have run into a few who thought anime was only porn/violence, but most
of them were open to learning the truth and believing it as well. I've
pretty much stopped telling people I like Anime though unless it comes up
in conversation (and I don't bring it up).
Maestro
<9677i4$q39$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>:
>"I could not believe grown-up men watch that stuff [CCS]? Are they
>really pedophiles?"
Anyone besides me feel an urge to channel Ruri on this one? ^_-
>One of the woman's friends said, "Yeah, they're pedophiles all right.
>They can use those DVDs to lure innocent girls and rape them."
*sigh*
>Because of what those women said, I am labelled a "pedophile" for
>watching CCS. I felt very insulted and angry of what they said, but
Welcome to the land of prejudice and false assumptions, sucks doesn't it?
Of course you have to wonder why these women are so eager to see a
pedophile in even the most innocous activities, that might speak volumes
about their psyche....
>dared not try to speak to them. Earlier, I heard another group of women
>say that anime is for "sick porno perverts who like to see girls
>getting raped."
I've found most people who think this are open to learning they're wrong
though. Those who think the pedophile bit in general don't seem to be
open-minded at all though. (I'm sure there are exceptions, but in my
experience there haven't been.)
>What horrible things had you heard people say about anime, its fandom,
>and even you--the anime fan?
I've been called gay for liking Sailor Moon, a pedophile for liking Nurse
Angel and CCS. Pretty lame ehh? Sorry that happened to you in public
like that though. :(
80-watt Hamster
> Tong Lin <uml...@cc.UManitoba.CA> scribbled on the electronic blackboard
> in <Pine.GSO.4.20.010212...@pollux.cc.umanitoba.ca>:
>
>
>> I mean lure kids by DVD damn that's definitely a new way to lure kids
>> now.. and it is getting more and more expensive... ^_^
>
>
> This brings to mind the image of a unshaven guy in a trench coat leaning
> out his car window near a playground going "Pssst! Little girl, wanna
> watch a DVD?" *rofl*
>
> Hey, if that works, perhaps it'll move into single bars too.... "Hey
> babe, wanna come home with me and watch some DVDs?" It could obliterate
> the age old "What's your sign!" It'll take America by storm...
>
> Then again, probably not. ^_-
>
> -Maestro
>
I dunno, it kind of makes for a good "informal" or "friendly" date, if
that makes any sense. You know, "Wanna come over and watch movies and
eat popcorn and have sex?" Well, maybe omit the "have sex" part, but
you get the idea. -_-
Sarah Davis
Maestro wrote in message <9048DB3E6ma...@news.giganews.com>...
>Sarah Davis <sdavis...@mad-hatter.org> scribbled on the electronic
>blackboard in <96aiqq$j7uan$1...@ID-55621.news.dfncis.de>:
>
>>Yes, of course. Most men are idiots. And most women are too shallow to
>>accept men's hobbies. And most Westerners have been influenced to
>>believe that Asian men are never sexy.
>
>It seems to me too that women are taught through media/etc. that all
>Men's hobbies are stupid/boorish/rude/crude/socially unacceptable too.
>How many times do you see a woman doing something like that on TV, in
>novels, etc.
Well... Look at it this way: In most television series about fictitious
cops, the same policeman will fire his gun at least once per episode.
However, an actual police officer once told me that most police never
*actually* fire their guns, although they do pull them out for effect. Same
logic applies to most scenarios: Media is an exaggeration of reality.
Sarah
Bruce Grubb
crypto...@yahoo.com (cryptochrome) wrote:
>In article <20010212123909...@ng-md1.aol.com>,
>rhand...@aol.com (RHandel182) wrote:
>
>> If it had been me, and the women had made these comments loudly enough to
>> be overheard by others, I would have turned to them and said, politely, "I
>>hope you're prepared to back that up in court with physical evidence when I
>> sue you for defamation." I would have then taken out paper and a pen and
>>asked for the names of their lawyers.
>
>Suing people over some disparaging comments is hardly worth it.
Accually as was shown in a 60 minutes episode there were people who made
their living off of the money made from such suits. Which is one of the
reasons there is a demand for tort reform here in the USA.
>A collosal waste of resources.
I agree on that.
> Aren't there enough problems in the world
>without making more work for lawyers?
Accually in civil cases lawyers are not always involved; there is a certain
threshhold that one has to have before a lawyer will even look at a case.
>It certainly does nothing for anime fans reputation.
Accually as various rights groups have showed hitting knownothing people and
groups in the pocketbook is the best way to relgate their idiocy ot the finge.
MoongluM
Shadow6865 <shado...@aol.com> wrote in message
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He also proposed that citizenship be earned, by such things as military
service,
instead of being a right at a certain age. I think that idea certainly has
it's merits,
maybe passing a history/social test in order to register to vote?
My guess is he's like to keep the guns in the hands of "qualified citizens"
such as
ex military or somesuch.
-MoongluM (oh...I'm a US Army vet, gomen)
MoongluM
Gray Ops <gra...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> >This has to be attributed to early (and some current) press coverage
> >of anime. The news media is driven by the sensational and when
> >phenomena like Pokemon and Sailor Moon attracted press attention they
> >needed the most lurid angle they could find to draw in the viewers and
> >readers. For Pokemon it was, of course, the seizure incident. For
> >the Sailor Moon and the rest of anime it was the sex and violence
> >angle. Doubtless someone was assigned a puff piece on the growth of
> >anime in american culture and upon investigation got hold of some
> >hentai and ran with it. That stigma has adhered to anime ever since
> >though it has been fading of late. But you can't expect your average
> >person to keep on top of anime if they have no interest in it.
> >
> >And you should have answered them back. How did they know you weren't
> >buying it for your children? Would they have said the same thing if
> >you were buying a Powerpuff Girls DVD? If someone's going to announce
> >to every ear in range in a public venue that you are a pedophile, a
> >devastating thing to be accused of, you really need to take their head
> >off if they can't substantiate it. You, my friend, have been publicly
> >slandered and that is civilly actionable.
> >
> >Kyle
> >
> >"I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or
> >numbered." - No. 6
> >
>
> THANK YOU! It's about damn time someone set that straight! I personally
would
> have torn them a new one right in the middle of the store but that's just
me.
> they have no right to just to such outrageous conclusions!
>
I'd have ripped into them like a mad dog, really I would.
Especially since I might have been in that store with my 5 year old
daughter....
-MoongluM
MoongluM
cryptochrome <crypto...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> >> That's where snappy comebacks come in handy. Just look them right in
> >the
> >> eye and say "Spoken out of true ignorance" or something good and
> >> condescending to that effect, and ignore them
> >
> >That's snappy? I'd say something along the lines of, "How would you
> >know this unless you've seen them, you dirty woman, you!"
>
> Well if you say something like that you'd just be reinforcing their
> stereotypes, wouldn't you? Why give them more ammunition?
>
I'd probably start with something like (in a menacing tone)
"just who the fuck do you think you are?", but maybe it's becuase
being accused as a pedophile would massively piss me off.
-MoongluM (who wants to know where this happened and hunt these "ladies"
down already)
MoongluM
Maestro <mae...@dont.spam.me> wrote in message
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> Brian Dinnigan <dinn...@cadvision.com> scribbled on the electronic
> blackboard in <01c09547$606c49a0$938894cf@dinnigah>:
>
> >You still hear the dopey pedo argument up here in Canada, which is
> >particularily ludicrous with regards to Sailor moon, because up in the
> >great white north, the age of consent is 14. Basically, there's nothing
> >legally wrong with the relationships in Sailor moon, if they were in
> >real life. We've got some dumb laws regulating how portrayals of
> >relationships can be displayed [I can post the appropriate criminal code
> >sections if anyone wants them]. Theoretically, we also cannot publish or
> >read "crime comics" like Batman, so draw your own conclusions.
>
> The age of consent is 14 in some US states too, but that doesn't seem to
> stop the irrational accusations. Come to think of it, when was the last
> time logic actually helped with an irrational idiot?
>
> And of course pointing out that just a few generations back people were
> getting married and having kids by 13 or 14 is met with shock and
> disbelief. Man, more people need to learn about their family tree. ^_^
>
More people need a family tree that branches
-MoongluM (hey maestro!)
S.t.A.n.L.e.E
> Brian Dinnigan <dinn...@cadvision.com> scribbled on the electronic
> blackboard in <01c09547$606c49a0$938894cf@dinnigah>:
>
> >You still hear the dopey pedo argument up here in Canada, which is
> >particularily ludicrous with regards to Sailor moon, because up in the
> >great white north, the age of consent is 14. Basically, there's nothing
> >legally wrong with the relationships in Sailor moon, if they were in
> >real life. We've got some dumb laws regulating how portrayals of
> >relationships can be displayed [I can post the appropriate criminal code
> >sections if anyone wants them]. Theoretically, we also cannot publish or
> >read "crime comics" like Batman, so draw your own conclusions.
>
> The age of consent is 14 in some US states too, but that doesn't seem to
> stop the irrational accusations. Come to think of it, when was the last
> time logic actually helped with an irrational idiot?
Well, just because it's legal doesn't mean it's socially acceptable.
The Kansas school board took evolution off their curriculum
(they've just recently put it back), so just because they could do it
doesn't mean they won't get criticized for it.
>
> And of course pointing out that just a few generations back people were
> getting married and having kids by 13 or 14 is met with shock and
> disbelief. Man, more people need to learn about their family tree. ^_^
Well, the thinking is, just because it happened in the past
doesn't mean it's posh to happen now (think disco).
Slavery happened in the past too, and not just with blacks
but with women too (lack of equality) before the women's lib.
And now that women are empowered, they're no longer "forced"
to marry by 13 or 14 and just be a full-time housewife
- they can pursue careers now and choose to marry later.
And of course, there's the accompanying expressions:
"that's so passe," "it's the modern times now,"
"get with the 80s/90s/00s, women don't marry at 13/14 anymore," etc.
Laters. =)
Stan
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Calum Wallace <doghead....@virgin.net> wrote in message
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>
<snip>
> need to lift a single finger. And if you want to know why I scare people
I'm
> a biker. People see the long hair, beard and black leather jacket and
> immediately put me in the 'don't mess' bracket.
LOL!
Bet they wouldn't say that about you within ear shot!
I'm a 6' 220 lb goateed US Army Vet, and I look all friendly and nice,
unless
someone crossed the line that far on me...
> The line 'You should be more careful what you call people. If you'd said
> that about one of my mates who watches these you'd be in very big
trouble."
> is also extremely effective.
Confronting them with a damn angry look and a threatening tone of voice
should suffice, I think
> Fact is, you just can't go around letting arseholes say stuff like that
> about you. They want to bad-mouth someone they've gotta live with getting
it
> right back in the face. There's a saying - you get back what you put out
and
> if someone puts stuff like that out at me I'm gonna give it right back in
> the most direct way possible.
There is no way that should have been allowed to slide, no way.
-MoongluM
S.t.A.n.L.e.E
> Touga no Miko chooses Cake <noe...@aol.compassion> scribbled on the
> electronic blackboard in <20010212150721...@ng-fv1.aol.com>:
>
> >I suppose I've been really lucky being a girl and all....I imagine that
> >men get more comments then us chicks do.
>
> Perhaps, I suspect that idiocy doesn't bother to check genders first for
> the most part. Although it does seem to be okay for women to watch
> animation (of any sort), but not for men in the US. Hell if I know why.
> :P
>
Because men are supposed to be the tough ones, the breadwinner,
man of the house, one who wears the pants, protector of the family,
the one who won't be caught watching Titanic or other chick flicks
(did you see that Dodge truck ad concerning You've Got Mail?), etc. ;p
As Japanese anime men say, "kimi wo mamoru" (or something).
James A. Wolf
>
>cryptochrome <crypto...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:cryptochrome-1...@net244-228.its.yale.edu...
>> >> That's where snappy comebacks come in handy. Just look them right in
>> >the
>> >> eye and say "Spoken out of true ignorance" or something good and
>> >> condescending to that effect, and ignore them
>> >
>> >That's snappy? I'd say something along the lines of, "How would you
>> >know this unless you've seen them, you dirty woman, you!"
>>
>> Well if you say something like that you'd just be reinforcing their
>> stereotypes, wouldn't you? Why give them more ammunition?
>>
>
>I'd probably start with something like (in a menacing tone)
>"just who the fuck do you think you are?", but maybe it's becuase
>being accused as a pedophile would massively piss me off.
I'd say, 'You're so full of crap, if we gave you an enema, you'd fit
into a shoebox!'
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Brown
"S.t.A.n.L.e.E" <sta...@roundtable.cif.rochester.edu> wrote in message
news:Pine.BSO.4.10.101021...@roundtable.cif.rochester.edu.
..
>
> Well, just because it's legal doesn't mean it's socially acceptable.
> The Kansas school board took evolution off their curriculum
> (they've just recently put it back), so just because they could do it
> doesn't mean they won't get criticized for it.
>
> doesn't mean it's posh to happen now (think disco).
> Slavery happened in the past too, and not just with blacks
> but with women too (lack of equality) before the women's lib.
> And now that women are empowered, they're no longer "forced"
> to marry by 13 or 14 and just be a full-time housewife
> - they can pursue careers now and choose to marry later.
> And of course, there's the accompanying expressions:
> "that's so passe," "it's the modern times now,"
> "get with the 80s/90s/00s, women don't marry at 13/14 anymore," etc.
>
> Laters. =)
>
> Stan
I was in Fiji 14 years ago, I was 14. Hitch-Hiking during the Coup that
year. (real Smart eh!) I was asked casually by one ethnically Indian man
if I was married. I said "no". He and hiss friends were shocked that I
was not.
Go figure.
Sam Brown
cryptochrome
<bgr...@zianet.com> wrote:
>In article <cryptochrome-1...@net161-185.its.yale.edu>,
>crypto...@yahoo.com (cryptochrome) wrote:
>
>>In article <20010212123909...@ng-md1.aol.com>,
>>rhand...@aol.com (RHandel182) wrote:
>>
>>> If it had been me, and the women had made these comments loudly enough to
>>> be overheard by others, I would have turned to them and said, politely, "I
>>>hope you're prepared to back that up in court with physical evidence when I
>>> sue you for defamation." I would have then taken out paper and a pen and
>>>asked for the names of their lawyers.
>>
>>Suing people over some disparaging comments is hardly worth it.
>
>Accually as was shown in a 60 minutes episode there were people who made
>their living off of the money made from such suits. Which is one of the
>reasons there is a demand for tort reform here in the USA.
>
>>A collosal waste of resources.
>
>I agree on that.
OK then - suing people over some disparaging comments is hardly worth it
unless you're a frivolous parasite who has to go running to the courts to
solve all their problems.
>> Aren't there enough problems in the world
>>without making more work for lawyers?
>
>Accually in civil cases lawyers are not always involved; there is a certain
>threshhold that one has to have before a lawyer will even look at a case.
So who is involved? I'll bet whoever it is it's an unpopular individual
skilled at twisting reality.
>>It certainly does nothing for anime fans reputation.
>
>Accually as various rights groups have showed hitting knownothing people and
>groups in the pocketbook is the best way to relgate their idiocy ot the finge.
I'll have to disagree here. I (and I suspect the rest of the world) think
very poorly of those twitchy lawsuit-happy Politically Correct types, even
if we are more cautious around them.
cryptochrome
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Arnold Kim
> Arnold Kim <ki...@erols.com> scribbled on the electronic blackboard in
> <969tco$an4$1...@bob.news.rcn.net>:
>
> >I guess I've been lucky enough not to run into many aside from the
> >occasional internet moron. The vast majority of the time, people around
> >me when I shop for anime either ignore me, or very rarely I'll strike up
> >a conversation with an anime fan there. 95% of the people I meet have
> >no clue what anime is, most of the rest are either anime fans, or at
> >least have heard of the medium. And those I've met who _did_ think it
> >was porn changed their minds pretty easily after I've told them it's
> >not.
>
> I decided I prefered to shop for Anime online for lots of reasons, and
> not having to run into the guy in Sam Goody who was practically drooling
> over Golden Boy is a bonus in my mind. Man, he creeped me out and I'm a
> guy! o_O
I prefer to shop online too, but mostly for economic reasons...
> I have run into a few who thought anime was only porn/violence, but most
> of them were open to learning the truth and believing it as well. I've
> pretty much stopped telling people I like Anime though unless it comes up
> in conversation (and I don't bring it up).
Same here. Most people I've met who recognize the porn/violence stereotype
don't know enough about anime to really have a strong opinion to argue with.
My usual conversation with people like that:
Person X: You like anime? Isn't that all, like, porn and stuff?
Me: No, not really. It's actually pretty cool, and there are a lot of
really good titles out there.
Person X: Okay. <shrugs>
And then we go onto the next topic.
As far as talking about it with others, I'll only bring up anime if I really
feel it's appropriate to do so, and it's the right audience. Otherwise, the
boldest thing I'll do is wear anime T-shirts in public.
Arnold Kim
S.t.A.n.L.e.E
>
> Gray Ops <gra...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20010212044812...@ng-ft1.aol.com...
> >
> > THANK YOU! It's about damn time someone set that straight! I personally
> would
> > have torn them a new one right in the middle of the store but that's just
> me.
> > they have no right to just to such outrageous conclusions!
> >
>
> I'd have ripped into them like a mad dog, really I would.
> Especially since I might have been in that store with my 5 year old
> daughter....
>
Hmmm... that may not look good... with a young girl....
Just kidding! ;-p
Alex Taylor
> And of course pointing out that just a few generations back people were
> getting married and having kids by 13 or 14 is met with shock and
> disbelief. Man, more people need to learn about their family tree. ^_^
Guy who worked at my company a couple of years ago married his wife when
she was 13. They had their first kid a year later. I think he was in his
20s, at least. It raised a few eyebrows, although perhaps it was perceived
as a bit less odd because of their ethnic origin. (Iran or Saudi Arabia, I
think.)
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