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Peter Bowditch

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Jul 30, 2002, 6:42:03 PM7/30/02
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I'm sending this message to the places where I regularly hang out, so
I apologise if you see it more than once.

The ISP hosting the ratbags.com domain vanished at 17:00 on Monday 29
July leaving me and many other people both siteless and emailless. My
highest priority since then has been to assist commercial clients of
the ISP to get back into business by getting their sites running again
at another hosting service.

The ratbags.com site and email should be working again within 24
hours.

I apologise for any inconvenience.

--
Peter Bowditch pet...@ratbags.com
Mad - Quintessence of the Loon http://www.ratbags.com/loon
Bad - The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
Sad - Full Canvas Jacket http://www.ratbags.com/ranters

john

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Jul 31, 2002, 9:00:23 AM7/31/02
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That's OK, if it vanished for ever the world would be more for it--no
medical industry propaganda spread in such a nasty fashion.

For a real skeptic site, not an industry front, visit
http://www.whale.to/vaccines.html

john


"Peter Bowditch" <pet...@ratbags.com> wrote in message
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Chuck Stewart

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Jul 31, 2002, 11:30:51 AM7/31/02
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"john" <vacc...@nospam.com> wrote in
news:ai8n17$1is$1...@paris.btinternet.com:

> That's OK, if it vanished for ever the world would be more for it-

More what? More ignorant? More deluded? More victimized by quacks?

> -no medical industry propaganda spread in such a nasty fashion.

Can't take the heat of skeptical inquiry, eh?

> For a real skeptic site, not an industry front, visit
> http://www.whale.to/vaccines.html

You misspelled http://www.ratbags.com/loon

> john

>> --
>> Peter Bowditch pet...@ratbags.com
>> Mad - Quintessence of the Loon http://www.ratbags.com/loon
>> Bad - The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
>> Sad - Full Canvas Jacket http://www.ratbags.com/ranters

--
Chuck Stewart

"Anime-style catgirls: Threat? Menace? Or just studying algebra?"

Roger Schlafly

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Jul 31, 2002, 12:31:20 PM7/31/02
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"Chuck Stewart" <zapk...@gmx.co.uk> wrote

> Can't take the heat of skeptical inquiry, eh?
> > For a real skeptic site, not an industry front, visit
> > http://www.whale.to/vaccines.html

John's Whale site has a lot of information on it.The Ratbag
site is just a lot of name-calling.

The Ratbag site is down. Mark, don't you think that Peter
is dishonestly hiding his site, because of criticism of it? <g>


Mark Probert

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Jul 31, 2002, 2:00:42 PM7/31/02
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"Roger Schlafly" <rog...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:OhU19.293$IP1.11...@twister2.starband.net...

> "Chuck Stewart" <zapk...@gmx.co.uk> wrote
> > Can't take the heat of skeptical inquiry, eh?
> > > For a real skeptic site, not an industry front, visit
> > > http://www.whale.to/vaccines.html
>
> John's Whale site has a lot of information on it.The Ratbag
> site is just a lot of name-calling.

The whale site has about as much good information as a garbage dump.

> The Ratbag site is down. Mark, don't you think that Peter
> is dishonestly hiding his site, because of criticism of it?

Nope. I think that Bolen, et al, have done it in.

<g>


john

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Jul 31, 2002, 3:24:52 PM7/31/02
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"Chuck Stewart" <zapk...@gmx.co.uk> wrote in message >

> Can't take the heat of skeptical inquiry, eh?

RAOFL!

Funny how skeptical inquiry is always skeptical of non-industry sources, eg
HIV skeptics, vaccine skeptics, drug skeptics isn't it? Methinks skeptic
mags etc are just industry fronts.

john


Mark

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Jul 31, 2002, 3:25:17 PM7/31/02
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Peter Bowditch <pet...@ratbags.com> wrote in message news:<734ekukp6mluo6mms...@4ax.com>...
> I'm sending this message to the places where I regularly hang out, so
> I apologise if you see it more than once.
>
> The ISP hosting the ratbags.com domain vanished at 17:00 on Monday 29
> July leaving me and many other people both siteless and emailless. My
> highest priority since then has been to assist commercial clients of
> the ISP to get back into business by getting their sites running again
> at another hosting service.
>
> The ratbags.com site and email should be working again within 24
> hours.
>
> I apologise for any inconvenience.


Oh no, Peter! Don't tell us that Bill O'Neill finally got the
International District Justice Circuit Court of Appeals to shut your
site down?!?

Mark, MD

john

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Jul 31, 2002, 3:54:13 PM7/31/02
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"Mark Probert" <mark_probert...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

>
> Nope. I think that Bolen, et al, have done it in.

Good for him http://www.bolenreport.com/

john


>
> <g>
>
>


Mark Probert

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Jul 31, 2002, 4:14:33 PM7/31/02
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"john" <vacc...@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:ai9f94$3hq$1...@knossos.btinternet.com...

>
> "Mark Probert" <mark_probert...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >
> > Nope. I think that Bolen, et al, have done it in.
>
> Good for him http://www.bolenreport.com/

Bolen's credo is on his site:

"The great mass of people will more easily fall victim to a big lie than a
small one." Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, 1925

It is applicable to your site, too.


Bob Casanova

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Jul 31, 2002, 6:35:25 PM7/31/02
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On Wed, 31 Jul 2002 16:14:33 -0400, the following appeared
in sci.skeptic, posted by "Mark Probert"
<mark_probert...@hotmail.com>:

But it somehow fails to apply to Bolen's site? Why is that?

--

Bob C.

"Evidence confirming an observation is
evidence that the observation is wrong."
- McNameless

Mark Probert

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Jul 31, 2002, 6:40:52 PM7/31/02
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"Bob Casanova" <nos...@buzz.off> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 31 Jul 2002 16:14:33 -0400, the following appeared
> in sci.skeptic, posted by "Mark Probert"
> <mark_probert...@hotmail.com>:
>
> >
> >"john" <vacc...@nospam.com> wrote in message
> >news:ai9f94$3hq$1...@knossos.btinternet.com...
> >>
> >> "Mark Probert" <mark_probert...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >
> >> > Nope. I think that Bolen, et al, have done it in.
> >>
> >> Good for him http://www.bolenreport.com/
> >
> >Bolen's credo is on his site:
> >
> >"The great mass of people will more easily fall victim to a big lie than
a
> >small one." Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, 1925
> >
> >It is applicable to your site, too.
>
> But it somehow fails to apply to Bolen's site? Why is that?

Probably because people who read the site are more intelligent than Bolen or
Adolf assumed and can see his site for what it is, a pile of whale poop.


Peter Bowditch

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Jul 31, 2002, 7:09:47 PM7/31/02
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mlo...@bellsouth.net (Mark) wrote:

>Oh no, Peter! Don't tell us that Bill O'Neill finally got the
>International District Justice Circuit Court of Appeals to shut your
>site down?!?

No, not O'Neill. Not Bolen.

The hosting ISP went broke. Well, actually they just went. As I said
in my first post, my priority had to be my business site (you know,
the one that never gets mentioned in these non-commercial newsgroups)
and some clients before I could do anything about a money-sink, hobby
site.

The ratbags.com site has a new home and Network Solutions have advised
me that the redelegation is filtering across the 'net even as we type,
so everything should be almost back to normal shortly. In the
meantime, everyone should remain calm and stay in their homes.

(Note to John - isn't it a PITA when this sort of thing happens?)

CBI

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Jul 31, 2002, 9:50:10 PM7/31/02
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"Roger Schlafly" <rog...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:OhU19.293$IP1.11...@twister2.starband.net...

> "Chuck Stewart" <zapk...@gmx.co.uk> wrote
> > Can't take the heat of skeptical inquiry, eh?
> > > For a real skeptic site, not an industry front, visit
> > > http://www.whale.to/vaccines.html
>
> John's Whale site has a lot of information on it.

Geeze - do you considerThe National Enquirer news?

> The Ratbag
> site is just a lot of name-calling.
>

I guess the "police blotter" section of newspapers is just calling people
crooks.

--
CBI, MD


David Wright

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Jul 31, 2002, 10:08:37 PM7/31/02
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In article <ai9di3$m4$1...@knossos.btinternet.com>,

john <vacc...@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>"Chuck Stewart" <zapk...@gmx.co.uk> wrote in message >
>> Can't take the heat of skeptical inquiry, eh?
>
>RAOFL!
>
>Funny how skeptical inquiry is always skeptical of non-industry
>sources, eg HIV skeptics, vaccine skeptics, drug skeptics isn't it?

Not really. So many of them are loons.

>Methinks

I hate it when John flatters himself like that.

> skeptic mags etc are just industry fronts.

John, of course, is never wrong. Or at least he never changes
anything on his lame web site.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders."

D. C. Sessions

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Aug 1, 2002, 12:29:04 AM8/1/02
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john scudamore wrote:
> "Mark Probert" <mark_probert...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> Nope. I think that Bolen, et al, have done it in.
>
> Good for him http://www.bolenreport.com/

Curious, isn't it, how often alts accuse those who disagree
with them of trying to suppress freedom of speech?

--
| An engineer is someone who will spend three hours |
| figuring out how to do a two-hour job in one hour. |

Mark Probert

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Aug 1, 2002, 8:19:30 AM8/1/02
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"D. C. Sessions" <d...@lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
news:gedaia...@news.lumbercartel.com...

> john scudamore wrote:
> > "Mark Probert" <mark_probert...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >>
> >> Nope. I think that Bolen, et al, have done it in.
> >
> > Good for him http://www.bolenreport.com/
>
> Curious, isn't it, how often alts accuse those who disagree
> with them of trying to suppress freedom of speech?

It is rule 11 of AltThink: Increase your credibility by claiming that your
free specch is being interfered with.


Annie McNaughton

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Aug 1, 2002, 10:14:28 AM8/1/02
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Peter Bowditch <pet...@ratbags.com> wrote in message news:<hrqgku0vol810madl...@4ax.com>...

> mlo...@bellsouth.net (Mark) wrote:
>
> >Oh no, Peter! Don't tell us that Bill O'Neill finally got the
> >International District Justice Circuit Court of Appeals to shut your
> >site down?!?
>
> No, not O'Neill. Not Bolen.
>
> The hosting ISP went broke. Well, actually they just went. As I said
> in my first post, my priority had to be my business site (you know,
> the one that never gets mentioned in these non-commercial newsgroups)
> and some clients before I could do anything about a money-sink, hobby
> site.
>
> The ratbags.com site has a new home and Network Solutions have advised
> me that the redelegation is filtering across the 'net even as we type,
> so everything should be almost back to normal shortly. In the
> meantime, everyone should remain calm and stay in their homes.
>
> (Note to John - isn't it a PITA when this sort of thing happens?)

The fact is Connect.com.au pulled the plug on Bowditch's ISP,
Netaus.com (Webmail.com.au) because they failed to provide a complaint
mechanism as per ABA regulation. Bowditch wouldn't admit this, because
Bowditch is a pathological liar.

In the unfortunate event Bowditch finds another portal for his
audience to watch him masturbate in front of his dog, he will find
himself, once again, without a home. What a pity!

Chuck Stewart

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Aug 1, 2002, 1:00:16 PM8/1/02
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anniemc...@hotmail.com (Annie McNaughton) wrote in
news:21e7fa5a.02080...@posting.google.com:

> The fact is Connect.com.au pulled the plug on Bowditch's ISP,
> Netaus.com (Webmail.com.au) because they failed to provide a complaint
> mechanism as per ABA regulation.

Perchance you can provide evidence to back this assertion?

HCN

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Aug 1, 2002, 1:37:04 PM8/1/02
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Whatever happened... www.ratbags.com is back.

Some of use who WERE customers of Excite@Home can relate to an ISP going out
of business and pulling the plug.

"Chuck Stewart" <zapk...@gmx.co.uk> wrote in message

news:Xns925D79BEC6B...@130.133.1.4...

Mark

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Aug 1, 2002, 2:32:12 PM8/1/02
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anniemc...@hotmail.com (Annie McNaughton) wrote in message news:<21e7fa5a.02080...@posting.google.com>...


He's baaaack!

JG

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Aug 1, 2002, 2:48:33 PM8/1/02
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mlo...@bellsouth.net (Mark) wrote:

>> In the unfortunate event Bowditch finds another portal for his

>> audience...

>He's baaaack!

Aaaaaaaack!

Mark Probert

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Aug 1, 2002, 3:02:46 PM8/1/02
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"Chuck Stewart" <zapk...@gmx.co.uk> wrote in message
news:Xns925D79BEC6B...@130.133.1.4...
> anniemc...@hotmail.com (Annie McNaughton) wrote in
> news:21e7fa5a.02080...@posting.google.com:
>
> > The fact is Connect.com.au pulled the plug on Bowditch's ISP,
> > Netaus.com (Webmail.com.au) because they failed to provide a complaint
> > mechanism as per ABA regulation.
>
> Perchance you can provide evidence to back this assertion?

Do not hold your breath. Annie is a sock puppet of a guy who has stalked
Peter for years. Visit Peter's site and look up Bill O'Neill.


Peter Bowditch

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Aug 1, 2002, 7:20:45 PM8/1/02
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anniemc...@hotmail.com (Annie McNaughton) wrote:

I would like to welcome Mr William P O'Neill of the Canadian Cancer
Research Group back to Usenet. Mr O'Neill has not been heard of since
25 May, when he futilely attempted to cause trouble at the Australian
Computer Society by making some baseless claim about me. The claim
was, of course and as usual, ignored.

<snip my message that we don't need to read again, even for context.>

>
>The fact is Connect.com.au pulled the plug on Bowditch's ISP,
>Netaus.com (Webmail.com.au) because they failed to provide a complaint
>mechanism as per ABA regulation. Bowditch wouldn't admit this, because
>Bowditch is a pathological liar.

The fact is that Netaus/Webmail was taken over by Platypus Internet in
April 2002, and a traceroute to the IP address of the relevant web
server has not shown any mention of Connect.com for some time. Also,
Mr O'Neill would gain some credibility (although not much) if he were
to show at least some knowledge of the domain name used by my former
host.

As Mr O'Neill has been told on many occasions, complaints about the
content of web sites in Australia can be made at
http://www.aba.gov.au/internet/complaints/complaints.htm

Again I invite Mr O'Neill to provide copies of the correspondence he
has received on this matter. I am frankly sceptical that he would be
included on the cc list when people like Connect.com, and the
Australian Broadcasting Authority are talking about me or my
activities, but I remain, as always, open to evidence.

>In the unfortunate event Bowditch finds another portal for his
>audience to watch him masturbate in front of his dog, he will find
>himself, once again, without a home. What a pity!

I don't really understand this, as it seems to suggest that if I find
another host for my site I will not have a host. I do not have a dog,
but I do have a web site at http://www.ratbags.com, where, among other
useful and entertaining information, you can find the history of Mr
O'Neill's dealings with me at http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/onews.

fred & michele

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Aug 1, 2002, 11:18:16 PM8/1/02
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"Mark" <mlo...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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Glad to see that Peter's style of entertainment is back on the 'net.......

Michele


Annie McNaughton

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Aug 2, 2002, 5:42:06 PM8/2/02
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"Mark Probert" <mark_probert...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<aic0ik$12est3$1...@ID-78438.news.dfncis.de>...


Interesting? The stalker becomes the stalked? Bowditch is "renowned"
for his stalking, lying, defamation, fraud, and having been blown off
by BigPond, Netaus, Connect and soon by Enet21. Perhaps he should
consider hosting his wonderful and factual site by one of the
pedophile ISP's. If the shoe fits.......

Chuck Stewart

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Aug 2, 2002, 7:09:37 PM8/2/02
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anniemc...@hotmail.com (Annie McNaughton) wrote in
news:21e7fa5a.0208...@posting.google.com:

> "Mark Probert" <mark_probert...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>> "Chuck Stewart" <zapk...@gmx.co.uk> wrote:

>> > Perchance you can provide evidence to back this assertion?

>> Do not hold your breath. Annie is a sock puppet of a guy who has
>> stalked Peter for years. Visit Peter's site and look up Bill O'Neill.

> Interesting? The stalker becomes the stalked? Bowditch is "renowned"
> for his stalking, lying, defamation, fraud, and having been blown off
> by BigPond, Netaus, Connect and soon by Enet21. Perhaps he should
> consider hosting his wonderful and factual site by one of the
> pedophile ISP's. If the shoe fits.......

Many, many assertions... and no evidence presented.

Okeydoke.

Peter Bowditch

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Aug 2, 2002, 10:39:41 PM8/2/02
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anniemc...@hotmail.com (Mr William P O'neill of the Canadian
Cancer Research Group, wearing a dress and calling himself Annie
McNaughton) wrote:

>"Mark Probert" <mark_probert...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<aic0ik$12est3$1...@ID-78438.news.dfncis.de>...
>> "Chuck Stewart" <zapk...@gmx.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:Xns925D79BEC6B...@130.133.1.4...
>> > anniemc...@hotmail.com (Annie McNaughton) wrote in
>> > news:21e7fa5a.02080...@posting.google.com:
>> >
>> > > The fact is Connect.com.au pulled the plug on Bowditch's ISP,
>> > > Netaus.com (Webmail.com.au) because they failed to provide a complaint
>> > > mechanism as per ABA regulation.
>> >
>> > Perchance you can provide evidence to back this assertion?
>>
>> Do not hold your breath. Annie is a sock puppet of a guy who has stalked
>> Peter for years. Visit Peter's site and look up Bill O'Neill.
>
>
>Interesting? The stalker becomes the stalked? Bowditch is "renowned"
>for his stalking,

Who? When?

>lying,

When?

>defamation,

Who? When?

>fraud,

What? When? Worse fraud than, say, telling desperate people with
terminal cancer that there is an easy cure available?

>and having been blown off
>by BigPond,

My current IP address is 144.132.152.192 (and has been for some time)

>Query: 144.132.152.192
>Registry: whois.arin.net
>Results:
>Telstra (NET-TELECOMAU2)
> 10/242 Exhibition st
> Melbourne, 3000
> AU
>
> Netname: TELECOMAU2
> Netblock: 144.132.0.0 - 144.132.255.255
>
> Coordinator:
> TELSTRA CORPORATION (HM100-ORG-ARIN) hostm...@broadway.bigpond.com
> +61 29242 1238
>
> Domain System inverse mapping provided by:
>
> NS4.BIGPOND.NET.AU 24.192.1.30
> NS1.BIGPOND.NET.AU 61.9.128.13
> NS2.BIGPOND.NET.AU 61.9.192.16
> NS3.BIGPOND.NET.AU 61.9.128.16
>
> Record last updated on 28-Aug-2001.
> Database last updated on 2-Aug-2002 20:00:14 EDT.
>
>
>Results brought to you by the GeekTools WHOIS Proxy
>Server results may be copyrighted and are used with permission.
>Your host (144.132.152.192) has visited 1 times today.

Looks like Telstra Bigpond still likes me as a customer. My sites have
never been hosted at Telstra.

>Netaus,

The ratbags.com domain was hosted by Netaus from March 1999 up until
29 July, 2002, when the company that had taken over Netaus went broke.
Mr O'Neill's first attempt to get Netaus to close my site was made on
February 8, 2000. He received a reply which can be summarised in two
words, one starting with "f" and the other with "o". That attitude
never changed.

>Connect

Connect.com is a wholesale bandwidth supplier and has no ability to
act on the content of sites hosted by its customers. My sites have
never been hosted on any Connect.com servers.

>and soon by Enet21. Perhaps he should
>consider hosting his wonderful and factual site

Mr O'Neill got that part right.

>by one of the
>pedophile ISP's. If the shoe fits.......

How does Mr O'Neill know that any ISPs are paedophiles? He seems to
think that some have shoe fetishes as well, it seems. Does he have
personal knowledge of the sexual habits of ISPs?

D. C. Sessions

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Aug 3, 2002, 12:47:37 AM8/3/02
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"Annie McNaughton" wrote from Google:

> NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.230.111.62

traceroute to 64.230.111.62 (64.230.111.62), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
1 charon (192.168.6.254) 1.128 ms 1.098 ms 1.088 ms
2 10.0.0.1 (10.0.0.1) 2.635 ms 2.560 ms 2.571 ms
3 cyb-r1-loop0.cybertrails.com (162.42.127.1) 57.086 ms 51.032 ms 60.315 ms
4 mti-r2-atm0-0.cybertrails.com (162.42.128.12) 52.406 ms 53.922 ms 53.629 ms
5 fa6-0-100M.dr1.SCF.gblx.net (206.165.254.129) 55.122 ms 52.993 ms 53.637 ms
6 s3-8-45M.ar2.PHX1.gblx.net.143.165.206.in-addr.arpa (206.165.143.217) 54.119 ms 54.278 ms 54.402 ms
7 pos2-0-622M.cr2.PHX1.gblx.net (206.132.117.153) 54.861 ms 54.647 ms 54.370 ms
8 pos2-0-2488m.cr2.CHI1.gblx.net (208.49.59.254) 120.274 ms 120.134 ms 118.490 ms
9 208.49.59.210 (208.49.59.210) 119.871 ms 120.383 ms 130.981 ms
10 bx2-chicago23-pos1-0.in.bellnexxia.net (206.108.108.217) 120.168 ms 119.062 ms 119.906 ms
11 core2-chicago23-pos10-3.in.bellnexxia.net (206.108.103.121) 120.446 ms 119.823 ms 118.466 ms
12 core3-toronto12-pos6-3.in.bellnexxia.net (206.108.103.117) 130.548 ms 131.558 ms 130.523 ms
13 core1-toronto12-pos0-2.in.bellnexxia.net (64.230.242.193) 129.746 ms 130.330 ms 129.762 ms
14 core1-ottawa23-pos2-1.in.bellnexxia.net (206.108.107.110) 136.425 ms 137.705 ms 136.418 ms
15 dis16-ottawa23-Vlan21.in.bellnexxia.net (64.230.241.218) 136.181 ms 137.892 ms 135.652 ms

Now who is it who posts from Canadian dialups to obsess about
Peter? Someone remind me.

Bill? Maybe you can give us a hint.

Kevin D. Quitt

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Aug 4, 2002, 8:07:17 PM8/4/02
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Yabbut - why the link the the garlic festival? What did I miss?


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Peter Bowditch

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Aug 5, 2002, 4:38:50 AM8/5/02
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Kevin D. Quitt <Ke...@Quitt.net> wrote:

>Yabbut - why the link the the garlic festival? What did I miss?

Well, by now you have missed the Gilroy Garlic Festival. The link is
there because I find the idea of a garlic festival quaint,
idiosyncratic and amusing.

Who would volunteer to work in the booth selling kisses? Who would the
customers be?

Mark Probert

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Aug 5, 2002, 8:09:38 AM8/5/02
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"Annie McNUTon" <anniemc...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

Nothing worth straining a brain cell over...


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