Ford 5.0L weight, balance, dimensions sought.
ROBERT DUCKWORTH
Anybody got weight, balance and dimensions for 5.0L ford?
Also, looking for weight difference between stock and aluminum heads.
Still trying to decide what to pu in the DeLorean.
For those unfamiliar, has a V6 aluminum block and heads SOC that
is also found in Volvo, Puegot and Renault with a custom oilpan to clear the
crossmember.
This bolted to a Renault transaxle in a rear engine config (hence concern with
weight and balance).
I've been told that the renault transaxle is strong enough but that I'll have
to make some new half shafts as the skinny guys that are there will twist too
much under added torque of v8.
Reason for swap. V-6 has 110k miles, holed piston and bent crank.
Heavy car with 140 horse V-6 is a slug (It should be at least as fast as it
looks :-)
anybody done this swap?
Anybody got any other suggestions for DeLorean motor swaps?
I'd like to keep it under $2k.
Also, back to the oilpan issue? Anybody drysumped the 5.0L?
-bob
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Dave Williams
-> Anybody got weight, balance and dimensions for 5.0L ford?
They weigh 490 pounds.
-> Still trying to decide what to pu in the DeLorean.
Buick V6. They weigh about 375 pounds and produce reasonable power
even in plain old 2-bbl form. There are various factory turbo versions,
both carbureted and fuel injected, up to the SFI intercooled late GN
motors. Buick sells Stage I and II aluminum blocks and heads for
displacements out past 4.5 liters if you want to get crazy.
-> I've been told that the renault transaxle is strong enough but that
-> I'll have to make some new half shafts as the skinny guys that are
-> there will twist too much under added torque of v8.
I wouldn't worry about the halfshafts. Iffen it ain't broken, don't
fix it. If/when you twist one, do something about it. If you don't
care to operate that way, deburr and polish the ones you have, have them
Magnuafluxed, and then have them shot peened.
-> Anybody got any other suggestions for DeLorean motor swaps?
-> I'd like to keep it under $2k.
Buick. <grin> Depending on local machine shop prices, the trans
adapter is going to eat a chunk of that. Your other alternative is to
go for a VW trans, where adapters are plentiful. Anyone for a 300hp
Evinrude two stroke V6? How about a SAAB V4? Rover 3500 V8? 454
Chevy? Mazda 12A or 13B rotary? Pinto 2000, or SVO 2.3 turbo? Maybe a
455 Olds? Adapters exist for all of those.
Jonathan R. Lusky
Dave Williams <dave.w...@chaos.lrk.ar.us> wrote:
>adapter is going to eat a chunk of that. Your other alternative is to
>go for a VW trans, where adapters are plentiful. Anyone for a 300hp
>Evinrude two stroke V6? How about a SAAB V4? Rover 3500 V8? 454
>Chevy? Mazda 12A or 13B rotary? Pinto 2000, or SVO 2.3 turbo? Maybe a
>455 Olds? Adapters exist for all of those.
eeeeek!
I don't believe this!
It must be an IMPOSTER!
(I remember when I suggested a rotary swap to someone of the hotrod list..
I thot you didn't like 'em?)
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Joe Baldwin
In article uu...@chaos.lrk.ar.us, dave.w...@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) writes:
>
>-> Anybody got weight, balance and dimensions for 5.0L ford?
>
> They weigh 490 pounds.
>
A coulpe of years ago, Car Craft mag had an article giving many of the outside
dimensions of the more popular American engines. The article DID not include the
weights of these. Do you have the stock weights of them? Would you post?
Interested in these at least
sbc
bbc
sbf (302)
bbf (460)
Buick 455
Pontiac 455
Olds 455
Have looked for these for several years.
Thanks friend
Joe Baldwin, Erie, CO
VP, Colorado Old Car Council
Member, Denver Coupe & Sedans Street Rod Club, NSRA, POCI
1929 Ford 5 window 57 Pontiac, Buick GN
Street Rod Steet Machine Hot Rod
Dave Williams
-> eeeeek!
-> I don't believe this!
-> It must be an IMPOSTER!
-> (I remember when I suggested a rotary swap to someone of the hotrod
-> list.. I thot you didn't like 'em?)
I wasn't suggesting he DO it, I was just mentioning the adapter was
available.
Personally, I'd like to see an Evinrude V6 in the back of a DeLorean,
but I like unusual stuff.
Dale Maurice
: In article uu...@chaos.lrk.ar.us, dave.w...@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) writes:
: >-> Anybody got weight, balance and dimensions for 5.0L ford?
: >
: > They weigh 490 pounds.
I got 460lbs
I also have the dimensions.
valve cover to valve cover 20"
header to header (stock?) 22"
aircleaner to bot. oil pan 27"
carb to bot. of oil pan 25"
water pump to back of block 22"
got more measurements too, just don't feel like typing them all in.
Anything more specific?
: Interested in these at least
: sbc
: bbc
: sbf (302)
: bbf (460)
: Buick 455
: Pontiac 455
: Olds 455
Got all these too... I'll see if I can workup a list.
dale
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Matthew Liggett
Heh heh..
I'm a 2-stroke fanatic.
I'd like to hear more about this Evinrude V6 (outboard boat motor?)
and how to get one into a car.
How big (displacement and dimensions) is this 2-stroker?
Emmisions would probably be hideous, but I'm not real concerned.
The ungreen car builder,
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Dave Williams
-> A coulpe of years ago, Car Craft mag had an article giving many of
-> the outside dimensions of the more popular American engines. The
-> article DID not include t weights of these. Do you have the stock
-> weights of them? Would you post?
Heck, I just answered this one a few minutes ago in the hotrod list. I
really ought to do a FAQ...
engine weights: (don't know where the data came from)
weights in parantheses are conflicting
Alfasud flat-4 240
Audi 5 364
Audi 2.0 L4 335
Audi 80 1300 230
Audi 100 1500 240
AMC V8 540 (600)
AMC 6 500
BMW 4.5L V12 607
BMW M52 3.3,3.5 Big Six 500
BL "O" L4 298
BL "B" L4 335
BL "E" 6 345
Buick 430-455 V8 600 (640)
Buick 350 450
BMW M60 Small Six 388
Buick V6 375
Buick/Rover 215 V8 318
BMW slant-6 turbodiesel 430
Buick 3.0 V6 '85-up 350
Chevy V6-90 229 425
Chevy V6-60 2.8 350
Chevy small block V8 575
Chevy big block V8 685
Chevy L6 194-250 440
Chevy Vega L4 285
Chevy Corvair flat 6 300
Chevy II 153 L4 350
Cadillac V8 472-500 625
Chevy V8 348/409 640
Citroen 2.0 Douvrin 4 263
Chevy "J" 1.8-2.0 pushrod 302
Ford Y block 625
Ford BOSS 429 680
Ford 2.0 Lima/Pinto 418
Ford England Essex V4 327
Ford Germany Taunus V4 205 (and SAAB V4)
Ford flathead V8 525
Ford 170-250 L6 385
Ford FE big block 650
Ford 429/460 V8 640
Ford England Essex V6 379
Ford 289/302 V8 460
Ford Germany 2.6-2.8 V6 305
Ford BOSS 302 500
Ford 351 Cleveland 550
FIAT/Ferrari Dino V6 300
Ford 3.8 V6-90 351
Isuzu 1.8 Diesel L4 384
Isuzu 1.8 gas L4 311
Jaguar V12 680
Mercedes SOHC V8 alum. 452
Mercedes SOHC V8 iron 540
Mopar Slant Six 475
Mopar 273-340 "A" V8 525
Mopar 360 "A" 550
Mopar 361-383-400 V8 620
Mopar 413-426W-440 V8 670
Mopar Street Hemi 765 (690 bare)
Nissan CA20 FWD 269 belt cam
Nissan Z20 NAPS-Z 2.0 346 RWD chain cam
Olds 215 V8 318
Olds 330 J2 700 (first generation V8)
Olds 400-455 620 high deck
Olds 330-400 560 low deck
Olds 260 V8 ---
Olds 260 Diesel ---
Olds 350 Diesel ---
Olds 260-403 --- '86-up lightweight design
Peugeot 104 1400 260 includes transaxle
Porsche 4.7 SOHC V8 574
Pontiac SOHC 6 450
Pontiac L4 350 Iron Duke, Tech IV
Pontiac Tempest slant 4 470
Pontiac 389 V8 650
Peugeot 204 Diesel 272
Peugeot Douvrin 2.0 4 263
Renault 2.0 4 Douvrin 263
Rover 3500 V8 318
Rambler 327 V8 600
Renault 2.8 V6 375
SAAB V4-60 206 also Taunus
SAAB slant-4 290
Studebaker 289 650
Triumph slant-4 290
Triumph Stag V8 446
VW flat-4 200
Dave Williams
-> I'd like to hear more about this Evinrude V6 (outboard boat motor?)
-> and how to get one into a car.
KEP makes an adapter, that's about all I know. We don't see outboard
motors much, living out here in the swamp.
-> '59 Austin Mini (If only it ran...)
Er... um... didya know there are a couple-three different companies
that make adapters to mount the Ford 1300/1600 Cortina/Fiesta motor up
to the Mini transaxle? And that the Cosworth BDA will also work? And
that you can get 2.5 liter stroker cranks for the Cosworth, and...
and...
Did you know what the definition of a "partially completed" hot rod is?
"All planning has been done - only time and money remain."
->'75 Suzuki GT250 (Mutant Chainsaw)
WATER BUFFALO! <grin>
Dave Williams
-> Got all these too... I'll see if I can workup a list.
Sounds like we ought to pool our resources.
Matthew Liggett
>-> I'd like to hear more about this Evinrude V6 (outboard boat motor?)
>-> and how to get one into a car.
> KEP makes an adapter, that's about all I know. We don't see outboard
>motors much, living out here in the swamp.
Hmm.. interesting.. I'd really like to experiment more with two
strokes. The power-to-weight is great..
That's also why I like rotaries.
>-> '59 Austin Mini (If only it ran...)
> Er... um... didya know there are a couple-three different companies
>that make adapters to mount the Ford 1300/1600 Cortina/Fiesta motor up
>to the Mini transaxle? And that the Cosworth BDA will also work? And
>that you can get 2.5 liter stroker cranks for the Cosworth, and...
>and...
Cool..
A 2.5 in a mini?!
But it probably wouldn't handle anymore.
And that is _THE_ great thing about minis.
However, one of the mini men did do a twin-engine mini to try to
compete with the AWD rally sedans. There is enough room for one engine
in each end and simply add the front springs to the rear.
I guess he was testing the thing and flipped it end over end nearly
killing himself.
This would be a great custom mini to build if one could get his hands
on two identical mini drivelines.
> Did you know what the definition of a "partially completed" hot rod is?
>"All planning has been done - only time and money remain."
Good grief. I must have thousands of Partially Completed hot rods laying
around then. ;)
>->'75 Suzuki GT250 (Mutant Chainsaw)
> WATER BUFFALO! <grin>
>
Nope. The GT750 was the water buffalo. Mine is the smaller, air-cooled
brother. A far cry from what I really want. (Yamaha RD350).
Enough babbling. I gotta get back to work.
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