[AX] Why can't show Nudity at Disney Hotel?
Tong Lin
convention and was not allow to show some Nudity or Hentai stuff...
Does that mean the people live in the Hotel can't sex during the night or
they will be kicked out and they can't watching some rented R/NC 17 rated
video either?
So, all of us going there must behave likea little child?
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thought that was common knowledge.^_^
Be Seeing You,
Chris
Jojo
>I just have one question, if AX is only renting the room for
Anime
>convention and was not allow to show some Nudity or Hentai
stuff...
>
>Does that mean the people live in the Hotel can't sex during
the night or
>they will be kicked out and they can't watching some rented
R/NC 17 rated
>video either?
You make it sound so naughty. That's kinky stuff. Not to self:
have sex with GF if you ever go to the Disney Hotel.
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As Chris Rock would say "You can not have sex in the champange room".
I am sure this also applies to Disneland Hotel, since sex is only
to make babies with! You can't have it any other way! ;)
In article <Pine.GSO.4.20.000702...@merak.cc.umanitoba.ca>,
Tong Lin <uml...@cc.UManitoba.CA> wrote:
>I just have one question, if AX is only renting the room for Anime
>convention and was not allow to show some Nudity or Hentai stuff...
>
>Does that mean the people live in the Hotel can't sex during the night or
>they will be kicked out and they can't watching some rented R/NC 17 rated
>video either?
>
>So, all of us going there must behave likea little child?
>
>
> "Together!! Allegiance or death, Big Fire!!"
>
> -- The Magnificent 10
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>http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~umlint ICQ: 13574460
>Misat...@yahoo.com Yahoo Pager: Misato_san
>
>University of Manitoba Anime Fan Club President
>http://www.umanime.home.dhs.org
>
>
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Dosun1
>convention and was not allow to show some Nudity or Hentai stuff...
>
>Does that mean the people live in the Hotel can't sex during the night or
>they will be kicked out and they can't watching some rented R/NC 17 rated
>video either?
>
>So, all of us going there must behave likea little child?
>
You can do whatever you want in the privacy of your hotel room, but in the
convention room you gotta play by their rules. Afterall we don't want little
Timmy and his parents who wandered to check out Pokemon stuff to be exposed to
tentacle rape.
Nicholas Olsen
"Dosun1" <dos...@aol.comnospam> wrote in message
> You can do whatever you want in the privacy of your hotel room, but in the
> convention room you gotta play by their rules. Afterall we don't want
little
> Timmy and his parents who wandered to check out Pokemon stuff to be
exposed to
> tentacle rape.
But that's not really a valid argument. The convention is also private. The
admission to the AX isn't exactly cheap, and considering that it is a payed
event, then the convention should be able to do whatever the hell they want
and it should be the attendees responsibility to make sure they are not
offended by what they are PAYING to see.
We're not talking about a situation where hotel guests are taking a wrong
turn and walking up to a booth filled with hentai. Disney is sticking their
nose where it neither belongs nor is welcome.
Nick
Dosun1
Not really as anyone can buy a ticket to get in, that includes some disneyland
visitors who get curious which I'm sure is wht AX organizers were hoping for.
The convention is held on Disney property and thus connected to it like it or
not. This is the reason you'll never see them host an Adult Pornography
convention on their grounds even if it is behind closed doors and intended for
paying attendees only. Disney should have presented the event organizers with
guidelines beforehand so this all this drama could have been avoided. If they
did then blame the event organizer for agreeing to it and choosing to hold it
there when they knew there would be censoring.
Benjamin D. Hutchins
Nicholas Olsen <nol...@nospamdotmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>
>We're not talking about a situation where hotel guests are taking a wrong
>turn and walking up to a booth filled with hentai. Disney is sticking their
>nose where it neither belongs nor is welcome.
Er - I hate to seem like the devil's advocate here, especially since
-I- think the whole thing stinks too - but they do, um, OWN THE
HOTEL. It's their property; they get to make the rules.
I just think the con's organizers probably ought to have anticipated
this development, since it was blindingly obvious.
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>We're not talking about a situation where hotel guests are taking a wrong
>turn and walking up to a booth filled with hentai. Disney is sticking their
>nose where it neither belongs nor is welcome.
And you don't seem to know any of the facts - nor does anyone else who has
been speculating (all incorrectly BTW). And I'm not going to fill them in
either. I'll let someone else do that officially.
It is just somewhat amusing to see people going off on shit they know nothing
about - especially when they're all being fools.
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MegaZone wrote:
>
> "Nicholas Olsen" <nol...@nospamdotmyrealbox.com> shaped the electrons to say:
> >We're not talking about a situation where hotel guests are taking a wrong
> >turn and walking up to a booth filled with hentai. Disney is sticking their
> >nose where it neither belongs nor is welcome.
>
> And you don't seem to know any of the facts - nor does anyone else who has
> been speculating (all incorrectly BTW). And I'm not going to fill them in
> either. I'll let someone else do that officially.
>
> It is just somewhat amusing to see people going off on shit they know nothing
> about - especially when they're all being fools.
Hey, it was posted on the Right Stuf website, right next to the
ADV/Robotech announcement (which is as much of a surprise to me as to
the rest of you guys; I start today...) They even printed the text of
the "beware of costumers" memo. ;p
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>"Nicholas Olsen" <nol...@nospamdotmyrealbox.com> shaped the electrons to say:
>>We're not talking about a situation where hotel guests are taking a wrong
>>turn and walking up to a booth filled with hentai. Disney is sticking their
>>nose where it neither belongs nor is welcome.
>
>And you don't seem to know any of the facts - nor does anyone else who has
>been speculating (all incorrectly BTW). And I'm not going to fill them in
>either. I'll let someone else do that officially.
>
>It is just somewhat amusing to see people going off on shit they know nothing
>about - especially when they're all being fools.
Well..what did you expect people to do?
They're going to speculate as *soon* as they hear that something they predicted
had happened. Cries of "HA! I *told* you so!!" abound...
It doesn't help that nothing official has really been said..but I suppose that
will come after the con ends today.
~TnM
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>
> In article <udW75.25570$NP5.7...@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,
> Nicholas Olsen <nol...@nospamdotmyrealbox.com> wrote:
> >
> >turn and walking up to a booth filled with hentai. Disney is sticking their
> >nose where it neither belongs nor is welcome.
>
> -I- think the whole thing stinks too - but they do, um, OWN THE
> HOTEL. It's their property; they get to make the rules.
>
> I just think the con's organizers probably ought to have anticipated
> this development, since it was blindingly obvious.
More to the point, once hotel management became aware that dealers were
breaking the law (selling pornography to minors), they *had* to act, or
technically they could be charged as accessories.
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Jim Lazar
"Jorge R. Frank" <jrf...@ibm-pc.org> wrote in message
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> More to the point, once hotel management became aware that dealers were
> breaking the law (selling pornography to minors), they *had* to act, or
> technically they could be charged as accessories.
AFAIK only ONE dealer was seen to be selling adult material to a minor. Not
ALL of them.
The removing of adult material and anything that looked like adult material
from the dealers room and the video rooms was not becasue they were all
selling to kids. It was a kneejerk reaction to avoid bad publicity and
potential legal problems after one dealer was stupid enough to call the cops
in.
Mike Shogun Tatsugawa
Jim Lazar <jim...@animeprime.com> wrote:
>
>"Jorge R. Frank" <jrf...@ibm-pc.org> wrote in message
>news:396E95A8...@ibm-pc.org...
>
>> More to the point, once hotel management became aware that dealers were
>> breaking the law (selling pornography to minors), they *had* to act, or
>> technically they could be charged as accessories.
>AFAIK only ONE dealer was seen to be selling adult material to a minor. Not
>ALL of them.
One dealer was witnessed actively selling to minors. Another dealer
was guilty of not blinding the material from minors. (This is also a
crime.)
>The removing of adult material and anything that looked like adult material
>from the dealers room and the video rooms was not becasue they were all
>selling to kids. It was a kneejerk reaction to avoid bad publicity and
>potential legal problems after one dealer was stupid enough to call the cops
>in.
Well, it was ultimately my decision. Unfortunately, it is VERY
difficult to explain that many of the women in anime LOOK young, but
aren't. We also had a brief discussion of nudity being far more
acceptable in Asian culture. However, the law is the law and if a
female is perceived as being underaged, it is still illegal to show
then nude or engaging in any sexual activity. With Anaheim Police
Department now wandering around the convention, it was too large of a
danger to gamble the convention to protect a small minority of the
goods and video content.
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Jim Lazar
"Mike "Shogun" Tatsugawa" <sho...@kamidake.apricot.com> wrote in message
> Well, it was ultimately my decision. Unfortunately, it is VERY
> difficult to explain that many of the women in anime LOOK young, but
> aren't. We also had a brief discussion of nudity being far more
> acceptable in Asian culture. However, the law is the law and if a
> female is perceived as being underaged, it is still illegal to show
> then nude or engaging in any sexual activity. With Anaheim Police
> Department now wandering around the convention, it was too large of a
> danger to gamble the convention to protect a small minority of the
> goods and video content.
And next year?
Mike Shogun Tatsugawa
Jim Lazar <jim...@animeprime.com> wrote:
>And next year?
I doubt if this law will be repealed by next year...
Jim Lazar
> In article <8knni8$2ortn$1...@ID-37887.news.cis.dfn.de>,
> Jim Lazar <jim...@animeprime.com> wrote:
>
> >"Mike "Shogun" Tatsugawa" <sho...@kamidake.apricot.com> wrote in message
>
> >> Well, it was ultimately my decision. Unfortunately, it is VERY
> >> difficult to explain that many of the women in anime LOOK young, but
> >> aren't. We also had a brief discussion of nudity being far more
> >> acceptable in Asian culture. However, the law is the law and if a
> >> female is perceived as being underaged, it is still illegal to show
> >> then nude or engaging in any sexual activity. With Anaheim Police
> >> Department now wandering around the convention, it was too large of a
> >> danger to gamble the convention to protect a small minority of the
> >> goods and video content.
>
> >And next year?
>
> I doubt if this law will be repealed by next year...
So you're saying the censorship will continue at AX2001?
Keep in mind a lot of the stuff that was banned is legally for sale all
across the country, so unless Anaheim has some sort of special laws
pertaining to this I don't see how selling it at a con is illegal. If it is
just Anaheim, then I suggest you move the con.
BTW, if this is the law pertaining to animated/drawn depictions of nude
characters engaged in sexual situations, then I believe that was recently
thrown out by the Supreme Court as being too vague (at least according to
John O'DOnnell of CPM it was).
Brian Edmonds
Hash: SHA1
"Jim Lazar" <jim...@animeprime.com> writes:
> BTW, if this is the law pertaining to animated/drawn depictions of
> nude characters engaged in sexual situations, then I believe that was
> recently thrown out by the Supreme Court as being too vague (at least
> according to John O'DOnnell of CPM it was).
Regardless what law or interpretation thereof that AX is concerned
about, and regardless how reasonable or not that law or interpretation
is, AX (nor I, nor you, I expect) has no desire to burn the money being
the test case that gets to the supreme court for that sort of decision.
What can be sold without attracting attention (leaving legality out of
it) at a small shop vs a high profile convention will differ quite a
lot. Next year the con is not at Disney so far as I recall, but I have
no doubt that if some asshole dealer causes an incident as the one was
reported doing this year (I unfortunately could not make it to AX), then
I don't see that Mike would have any other choice next year either.
It's always easier being the fan with no responsibilites than it is
being the one who has to deal with the fallout. I for one am willing to
give Mike significant benefit of the doubt in his having handled this
the best it could have been.
Brian.
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Jim Lazar
"Brian Edmonds" <raac-coo...@gweep.bc.ca> wrote in message
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> What can be sold without attracting attention (leaving legality out of
> it) at a small shop vs a high profile convention will differ quite a
> lot.
Suncoast is a small shop? They didn't just pull Doji and other hard core
stuff, they pulled a lot more than that and many of it was the stuff you can
buy at Suncoast, Mediaplay, etc...
>Next year the con is not at Disney so far as I recall, but I have
> no doubt that if some asshole dealer causes an incident as the one was
> reported doing this year (I unfortunately could not make it to AX), then
> I don't see that Mike would have any other choice next year either.
The problem is that his response to my 'what about next year' was that the
law wouldn't be changed in the next year.
That statement sounds like they would be enforcing the same restrictions
next year in the dealers room and video rooms as they did this year: No
adult merchandise/movies, no nudity in view/in video rooms, ect... That's
what I wanted to clear up.
I have no problems with them kicking out a dealer who sells to an underage
person or requiring that dealers not display nduity or adult items in view
of kids. What I would have a problem with is if they continue the very far
reaching ban on merchandise and videos at AX2001 from the start.
BTW if the law was already overturned by the Supreme Court, you do not have
to go back to the Supreme Court. They are the highest court in the land and
unless there are new laws passed all you have to do is refer people to that
court decision.
Brian Edmonds
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"Jim Lazar" <jim...@animeprime.com> writes:
> The problem is that his response to my 'what about next year' was that
> the law wouldn't be changed in the next year.
Yes, so I expect the procedure to be the same next year. As it has been
every year. The events of this year were damage control in response to
an unfortunate sequence of events. Should those same events not replay
next year, then AX will in all likelihood go as those in the past.
> What I would have a problem with is if they continue the very far
> reaching ban on merchandise and videos at AX2001 from the start.
This I would consider highly unlikely, unless some moral crusader (or
asshole dealer denied space at the con next year) takes it upon him or
herself to make a high profile issue of it right from the start. And
depending on the venue there may be more leverage to ignore or deal with
the agitator with. Corporate Disney isn't likely to be a sympathetic
environment to work out this sort of issue.
In short, unless you consider Mike or the other SPJA people to be moral
crusaders or out to destroy anime fandom, and assuming AX is not at
Disney next year, why are you worrying about it?
> BTW if the law was already overturned by the Supreme Court, you do not
> have to go back to the Supreme Court.
Yes, but you do have to go to court, which would be a substantial drain
on the resources of most any non-profit organization that is not founded
for the purposes of pursuing litigation.
Brian.
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Bruce Grubb
<jim...@animeprime.com> wrote:
>BTW if the law was already overturned by the Supreme Court, you do not have
>to go back to the Supreme Court. They are the highest court in the land and
>unless there are new laws passed all you have to do is refer people to that
>court decision.
President Andrew Jackson unfortunitly summed it best when he something along
the lines of 'Marshall has made his decision, let's seem him enforce it.'
when the Supreme Court decided in favor of the Indians and against Georgia.
Without support the Supreme Court rulings mean squat.
Jim Lazar
Brian Edmonds wrote:
> In short, unless you consider Mike or the other SPJA people to be moral
> crusaders or out to destroy anime fandom, and assuming AX is not at
> Disney next year, why are you worrying about it?
No, I don't think he or the SPJA is. But I've seen other seemingly
rational people get so spooked by the hint of legal action that they
threw out their own personal beliefs and previous viewpoints of their
organization in order to avoid even the hint of impropriety. An example
is the AX2000 events: Although I understand the reasoning behind the
steps they took, they went too far IMHO. Hopefully with some clear
thinking in the time before AX2001 we can avoid a repeat occurance.
What I'm trying to find out and hopefully help avoid is the repeat of
those far reaching bans on anything adult in nature and even anything
with the hint of being adult. Since many items that were banned and
pulled from the dealers and video rooms were perfectly legal to sell all
over the country, I don't want what was done in haste at AX2000 to be
repeated at AX2001. If they start deciding to water down AX and make
choices about what can and can't be seen based on either being PC, being
more family friendly, or their interpretation of vague laws then they
might as well become the Society for the Promotion of Politically Correct
American Animation and let others promote Japanese Animation.
Looking back, I probably took Mike's short response to my question wrong
and worded my original question wrong. I understand upholding laws
concerning not selling adult content to minors, not displaying it, and
not selling something that obviously depicts a child in sexual situations
(that's why I reluctantly am okay with a less cut version of Kite that
masks/edits the young Sawa scenes), but I don't want those concerns to
lead to wholesale censoring of everything at AX2001+.
So what it comes down to is that I just want assurances that AX2001 won't
begin with the same bans on adult/seemingly adult titles in place.
Spelling out the rules to the dealers and holding them to it is fine, but
wholesale banning of merchandise and titles is not.
As for the child pornography concerns, well if it's going to come down to
someone looking at each film or piece of merchandise and making
subjective calls on what a child is and what's not, then they're going to
have to ban a lot of stuff because what looks like a child to one person
isn't to another. That's why the law was struck down recently by the
Supreme Court: It was too vague as to what a 'child' was. With live
action it's easy to look at birth certificates, but with drawings you
have to judge on the physical features. But that opens it up to personal
opinion and subjective decision that will differ depending on who you ask.
Case in point: Someone on RAAM insisted that the older Sawa from Kite was
clearly a child since she had pigtails and wore a short skirt, totally
ignoring her very adult features otherwise. Hair and clothing can be worn
by anyone in a manner that makes you look older or younger. If what age
the character appeared to be was the determining factor in live action
videos then all those cheerleader shows with women in pigtails and short
skirts must be illegal too I guess.
Now I don't know what particular items caused the incident in the dealers
room at AX2000, but you don't throw everything out because of a few bad eggs.
Ryan Mathews
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> In article <8knni8$2ortn$1...@ID-37887.news.cis.dfn.de>,
> Jim Lazar <jim...@animeprime.com> wrote:
>
> >"Mike "Shogun" Tatsugawa" <sho...@kamidake.apricot.com> wrote in message
>
> >> Well, it was ultimately my decision. Unfortunately, it is VERY
> >> difficult to explain that many of the women in anime LOOK young, but
> >> aren't. We also had a brief discussion of nudity being far more
> >> acceptable in Asian culture. However, the law is the law and if a
> >> female is perceived as being underaged, it is still illegal to show
> >> then nude or engaging in any sexual activity. With Anaheim Police
> >> Department now wandering around the convention, it was too large of a
> >> danger to gamble the convention to protect a small minority of the
> >> goods and video content.
>
> >And next year?
>
> I doubt if this law will be repealed by next year...
If you haven't already, I would suggest a brief mandatory meeting between
con management and all dealers, to lay down the law and make it perfectly
clear what is expected and what is allowed.
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Brian Edmonds <raac-coo...@gweep.bc.ca> wrote:
>
>In short, unless you consider Mike or the other SPJA people to be moral
>crusaders or out to destroy anime fandom, and assuming AX is not at
Mike is the last person in the world to be a "moral" crusader ;-)
isamu
is *OVER* folks! And since we won't be coming back to the
Di$neyland Hotel next year, it's pretty much irrelavent what
their rules are at this point. Their rules are *THEIR* rules.
And so be it. I'm sure the con's next location (Long Beach?)
won't be as harsh on the AX staff. So take a chill pill:) For
the record, I'm sure the guy that wears the Mickey Mouse suit at
Di$neyland gets his "grind" on at the hotel too when he's not
running around as Mickey. So go figure.
--"Charlie don't surf but we think he shoouuld,
Charlie don't surf and ya know that it ain't no good,
Charlie don't surf for his hamburger momma,
Charlie's gunna be.... A NAPALM STAR!!" -Joe Strummer---
Patrick Drazen
Dosun1 wrote:
> >I just have one question, if AX is only renting the room for Anime
> >convention and was not allow to show some Nudity or Hentai stuff...
> >
> >So, all of us going there must behave likea little child?
> >
> You can do whatever you want in the privacy of your hotel room, but in the
> convention room you gotta play by their rules. Afterall we don't want little
> Timmy and his parents who wandered to check out Pokemon stuff to be exposed to
> tentacle rape.
Having said that: fire up the VCR and watch "Fantasia", "Pinocchio" or any of the
Disney shorts from the 30s and 40s where the humor is aimed squarely at the bare
butt (human or animal).
What was on Uncle Walt's mind? Puts the whole "nudity at the Con" thing in
perspective.
Patrick Drazen
Friend of Key
Gilles Poitras
There is no law in any state in the US against nudity of underaged
character in animation.
There was an attempt several years ago to pass a wide national child
pornography law that would have outlawed any nude depiction of minors
but it never got out of committee. Imagine full photos Michaelangelo's
David would have been illegal under such a law as well as many books on
classical and renaisance art.
If such a law were ever to be passed My Neighbor Totoro and much of
Ranma 1/2 would be illegal.
The law recently overturned in the courts applied to computer generated
images which would apply to some anime and not to others all depending
on the techniques used to make the images. It was aimed at using
computers to modify images of adults to make them look under aged.
Now the sale of sexually explicit anime to minors is another matter.
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Jorge R. Frank
>
> I don't see why you guys are still debating this topic. The con
> is *OVER* folks! And since we won't be coming back to the
> Di$neyland Hotel next year, it's pretty much irrelavent what
> their rules are at this point. Their rules are *THEIR* rules.
> And so be it. I'm sure the con's next location (Long Beach?)
> won't be as harsh on the AX staff.
Actually, under the same circumstances as AX at Disney (dealer sells
pornography to minors, parent calls cops), I suspect Long Beach's
reaction would be the same as Disney's. Hotel rules may vary, but *the
law* applies to everyone.
r...@cls.usask.ca
>Dosun1 wrote:
[attribution lost... folks, please retain the attribution]
Once again: the issue was NOT nudity, but selling adult material
to MINORs, something that was witnessed. This has
less to do with policy and more to do with avoiding
civil action against ANY hotel hosting the con and
against the con itself, and avoiding breaking the
law in general.
ru
Carl Horn
Mr. Poitras is quite correct, and it is important for people not to act
out of apprehension when it has in fact been the trend for courts to
reject the arguments behind this sort of legislation. I refer most
importantly to the U.S. 9th Circuit Court's "Free Speech vs. Reno,"
No. 97-16536.
It is the job of police officers to try and determine whether the
situations they are faced with violate the law, and it is the job of
legislators to write those laws, but it should be obvious to everyone
that is hardly the end of the matter--were it so simple, there would be
neither lawyers nor courts. You sometimes hear regret expressed that our
society is so litigious compared to that of Japan. But the shadow of
Japan's greater consensus is greater submission to authority; in Japan
decisions about censorship in fact are often made by the police rather
than the courts.
--Carl "December boys got it bad" Horn
SgtCuvie
>law* applies to everyone.
Different areas, different laws and interpretations of laws.
SgtCuvie